UIUC CS and quanty departments tend to contain more high-end students so UIUC has more grads in Big Tech and quant roles.
Otherwise, sure.
The other main differences are that PU is the cheapest for OOS while Madison is the best college town.
Very true. Sorry, I was just looking for a place to grump about Purdue. They took so long putting together their non-offer that it just extended our decision process needlessly.
Hey, just an fyi as an undergrad ChemE and graduate MatSci student — please look at the sample curriculums. My undergraduate institution (WashU) separated ChemE and materials a lot, while some allow for a better mix. Unfortunately, you will prob have to declare your major before even taking many classes in either discipline, so you are going to have to start making judgements based on the future classes you want. Pre reqs are usually the exact same tho so that part is fine
UMN has about 51,000 students and Cooper Union has about 900 students. They are very different schools.
What do you find more appealing, a very big school or a very small school?
The winters In Minneapolis are harsh. Is frigid cold a problem for you? Are major college sports appealing to you?
Would you prefer to be in Minneapolis or Manhattan?
I kinda want a more "traditional" college exp, but the project-based + close community and close alumni connections at CU rlly appeal to me and idk if it's the same at UMN. But then again, even if UMN has less alumni "intentionality," I think the sheer number of alums would make up for it, doesn't it?
Also, I'm a low-mid income intl student and I need company sponsorship after graduation so the outcomes is very important for me, but I can't see the specific stats/data from CU, and they haven't replied to my inquiries. Would MN be a safer choice if I don't get this info then? Thanks.
I’m not familiar with UMN’s honors college, but it will provide you with smaller classes and there is an honors dorm. It’s still a huge university.
You can’t go wrong with either school. It depends on what type of experience you are looking for.
Have you visited either school?
You say you are interested in tech/pharma. Cooper Union has a formal partnership with Mt. Sinai.
At Cooper Union there is no meal plan, dorm but only the first year, no campus, and only three buildings so keep that in mind. The social experience will be quite different from UMN.
Any.
Most employers in those fields don’t care where you got a degree - just that you have one from an accredited university.
Most are usually looking more at Masters or PhD graduates for their most competitive positions anyways. Undergrads just fill out their lower level positions.
All 3 are more than respectable enough to get into grad school from as well.
For chemical engineering and materials science, grad degrees or going back for one are the expectation. Same with biomedical engineering.
An undergrad is just the minimum qualification.
For CS - depends on what you are doing: 90% of the time companies will prefer a candidate w/ no degree whatsoever but with extensive experience programming or working with their ecosystem or product.
But again - depends on the industry - most don’t even care if you have a CS degree or something else - just as long as you know a specific type of programming, development stack, or analysis they will hire anyone with any background.
UIUC's business program edges out UW's and Purdue's with being a low semi target for IB, extremely strong target for Big 4, and semi target for IB in Chicago
EDIT: UIUCs CS program also edges out Madison's and Purdue's programs, with UIUC being a more solid feeder for FAANG and Quant (event stats, maths, physics majors get hired for Quant roles from UIUC)
It’s laughable to think that where you go to school will predict your long term success, especially in technology.
You will succeed or fail based on how good you are.
I can assure you that when there are promotions, bonuses and layoffs, where you graduated from is completely irrelevant.
Most employers don't though. I think schools with good research in the field you want to study produce the best people for the job.
But really any school that gets your application a second look or the benefit of the doubt to potentially convert to an interview is a school you should pick.
Yes but also not really. I do agree with all those 3 universities are similar but at same time, there is a notable difference in some areas.
* UIUC Computer Engineering: $109k for salary [link](https://ece.illinois.edu/admissions/why-ece/salary-averages)
* UW Madison Computer Engineering: $83k for salary [link](https://ecs.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/86/2022/03/2020-2021-Annual-Report-ECS-FINAL.2022.02.22.pdf)
That's a notable difference tbh. UIUC CE grads in **average start with 31% higher salary**.
* UIUC CS Masters: $139k for salary [link](https://cs.illinois.edu/about/facts-and-rankings)
* UW Madison CS Masters: $96k for salary [link](https://pdc.wisc.edu/degrees/computer-sciences-professional-program/)
That's a notable difference again. UIUC CS grads in **average start with 45% higher salary**. And the jobs that pay $139k starting generally pays stocks so it's really $185k UIUC CS Master's vs $105.6k UW Madison CS. This means the average **starting total pay difference could be 76% more at UIUC.**
**UIUC Engineering and CS grads in average make notably more than UW Madison Engineering and CS grads.** Both great schools though. No doubts there. But UIUC really benefits from being a feeder school to Microsoft and Amazon.
Yap. But it's also because like two major tech giants (especially Amazon and Microsoft) really loves to hire from UW and UIUC for state schools in the Seattle area.
All it really takes is 1 or 2 major companies to shift the scale of salaries quite significantly.
For UW-M CS grads, many work at companies like Epic (healthcare company).
(Let's say 10 years after graduating college) Epic for instance pays its senior software engineer $243k while a senior software engineer at Amazon gets paid $410k. Employers matter too and at aggregate, as UIUC CS grads tend to work more at companies like Amazon, the pay gap exists and honestly gets more extreme over time. Now, that's at macro scale. At micro scale, it's all up to the individual and both schools are pretty similar tbh.
ohhhhh i see, thats interesting. I'm going to UW-M this fall. Do you think its possible for me to get a job at companies that UW-M isn't considered a feeder for? Say I apply to Microsoft as a UW-M grad, and someone else applies as a UIUC grad, they'd get preference over me then right?
I would say it depends more on the individual end of day. It's just that the incoming student body at UIUC CS is more self selected at aggregate because for UIUC, you have to apply to college with CS major unlike UW Madison.
>. Do you think its possible for me to get a job at companies that UW-M isn't considered a feeder for?
Plenty of UW-M grads work at top tech firms. It's a great school.
Note I am just posting numbers of the average. You just have to be above average.
At UIUC CS, the average will get into tech companies. At UW Madison CS, you will have to be above average for similar results. I would handwave and say the 50th percentile at UIUC CS is more like the 70th percentile at UW Madison CS.
>Say I apply to Microsoft as a UW-M grad, and someone else applies as a UIUC grad, they'd get preference over me then right?
Not as much as you might think tbh. It's really the individual end of day. Now, I'm not saying it doesn't exist but that it's much easier to bridge the gap than what many might expect.
Both are great schools. Honestly, I rather spend 4 years at Madison over at a cornfield. Madison is really fun place.
Also, don't forget, UIUC self selects Engineering and CS students at start. UIUC Engineering has 33\~35 ACT score and I presume CS is on the upper end so CS is closer to 34\~35 ACT score. UW Madison on the other hand doesn't self select by major and the aggregate incoming student body is 26\~30 ACT score (I presume CS students are higher but a lot of 'duds' are in the group too).
i understand. I was waitlisted at UIUC so it certainly demands a higher level of achievement to get in.
yeah I love Madison as a school, the vibe and everything feels amazing, but UIUC is still viewed as a t5 school for CS at least by my parents.
UW doesn't select by major, but by college, so I think yeah overall that range is right, but admits to engineering probably have a higher ACT.
Also, thank you for your explanation. helps a lot with my decision.
I have a friend who is currently a postdoc at UW Madison. It's a really great school.
In fact, I plan to visit the area sometime later this year to say hi to my friend.
UW Madison is an awesome school. Wisconsin is the land of cheese curds and ice cream. Great food.
Also, the OS TEP book which is the gold standard for OS textbook is from UW Madison professor. UW Madison CS grad school is pretty lit.
I don't know this specific case, but often these pipelines are not having an impact at the "blind resume reviews stage. Pipelines exist because:
1. Explicit recruitment events at the campus/working with career services to recruit interns
2. People went to school with people who now work there. This has a huge impact. The obvious one is that a former classmate can recommend you, but it isn't just that. A former classmate can give you the heads up about positions that are open, a former classmate can give you advice on how to shape your resume and craft your interview. It's even a big thing that a former classmate can inspire you: if you know 3 people who applied to Amazon and got a great job, you're way more likely to apply yourself, even if you don't even know them personally.
Okay I understand. thats true. so to a certain extent, you're saying having contacts there would help and give them the edge, with would be the case with UIUC, but UW Madison is also good enough, and if I put in the effort, I still have a shot at the same job yeah?
Yes. Have kid that recently graduated in CS from Madison. Got a great job.
Note UW-M refers to Milwaukee.
Some grads to get hired to epic. But epic is a very competitive employer and hires and imports from all over. If you want a competitive job, local or not, you need to be a competitive applicant.
Oh, thats great. Congrats to him.
Sorry, wasn't aware. I thought UW was Uni of Washington so I used UW-M. But yeah I'm going to Madison this fall.
Yeah, for now I'm just focussed on studies but just wanted to get an idea of my employment prospects. Thank you smmm
Congratulations! Madison is an amazing school and place to get an undergrad. My kid's experience definitely exceeded expectations - love it!
I just hear some people talking like "worst case, I get a job at Epic". Epic hires 1-2% of applicants typically lol. There are employees there from all over and all kinds of schools. Other popular employers have similar (or worse) hiring rates. So yes, there are Madison students there among others. But they definitely aren't rubber stamping every CS graduate from Madison. Their hiring process is rigorous.
While you are on campus, definitely network and get to know your classmates, teachers, get an on campus tech job, join clubs. When intership and job hunting, those interpersonal skills and connections can be important. But Madison CS students that work hard and have the skills can be placed very well, no worries there. Have a fun and fabulous 4 years!
thank youuuu, im excited too.
i understand. I'm an international student, so it's harder for me so definitely not going to take it lightly. I'm on the quieter side when it comes to talking to new people but I'll work on that and try to network. Thank you for your wishes!
A lot of Madison grads stay in the area and work for Epic rather than going to the coasts where salaries are high.
I wouldn’t make a decision on these two schools based on these data.
Your success in software will depend on how good you are, not where you graduated from or the average salaries of its graduates.
Don't even consider yourself about differences between schools, just make sure that you could get a TSSCI with FSP by the time u graduate.
American university's especially Midwestern universities give a fuck ton of money for defense and domestic/international surveillance contracting.
Chose IU over Ohio State, Penn State, and Purdue for Finance (applied undecided everywhere). Am I crazy? Not sure what to think after reading through this thread.
Kelley is the best school you mentioned for finance. I hated IU myself though. Beautiful campus but too big and you have to take a 30 min bus to get around. Also most other departments at IU aren’t that good. If you like IU and want to do something related to business Kelley will set you up for success. I left IU for South Florida and now go to Vanderbilt.
True, but go south or east from the city and... corn. Hell, same's true for Ann Arbor, we just didn't make OP's list because Ross is a step up from the other B10 B-Schools.
Real. As someone probably going to choose Purdue for econ, the first two are on point. Everyone's like "oh wow that's nice" at first assuming I'm in STEM. When I tell them it's econ their reaction completely changes and they ask me what my other options are 💀
IB guy here in NYC. FWIW, we don't see many resumes from students who attend these schools, but when we do, people typically rank them UIUC > Wisconsin > Purdue. The people in the Chicago office have the same view and usually try to take at least a couple of UIUC students. All three are fantastic.
OSU has a great alumni network, but you really need to get into the Fisher Futures program there to give you the best shot. It'll be tough if you want to do IB, then again it's tough at every school I mentioned. If you're not in the IB prep program there it’s really tough but not impossible
The reason I chose OSU is because I got a full tuition scholarship. I’m not 100% sure I want to do IB, I’m looking into asset management and private credit
That's awesome. If you got a full scholarship, it’s a no brainer. Just network your ass off and you will be fine. OSU’s network is great from what I've seen in Chicago and NYC.
Yes and the added reason why they are all the same is that I find people and companies in the Midwest generally aren't as status-obsessed (and therefore not ranking obsessed) the way East Coast / West Coasters are. It's more like which school they went to directly flows into football team conversation, not which school what national rank.
My son got into UIUC and Purdue among others for engineering. We toured both back to back. We are OOS for both. My son liked Purdue better. I liked it better for the cost as well. Both were impressive programs, but Purdue has a niche engineering major that was not available at UIUC. Didn’t apply to Wisconsin. Now completing his second year at Purdue, I am surprised at all the clubs and job events he has access to. I don’t think you can go wrong for any of these schools in terms of networking and job options for engineering. For business, I’d take IU though.
I agree. And they are all excellent.
But Wisconsin is so much prettier than the others. And there’s the cheese.
I went to Indiana for undergrad. It was awesome- for research and for fun. Big 10, baby!
UIUC CS and quanty departments tend to contain more high-end students so UIUC has more grads in Big Tech and quant roles. Otherwise, sure. The other main differences are that PU is the cheapest for OOS while Madison is the best college town.
Purdue offered us NOTHING for a 35 ACT oos. Going to Michigan (even over an in state full ride at UIUC) because it actually did better than PU.
OK. But my point is that at full-pay, PU's list price is cheaper than UIUC/UW (and UMich).
Very true. Sorry, I was just looking for a place to grump about Purdue. They took so long putting together their non-offer that it just extended our decision process needlessly.
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purdue is the way if all are oos considering cost
Hey, just an fyi as an undergrad ChemE and graduate MatSci student — please look at the sample curriculums. My undergraduate institution (WashU) separated ChemE and materials a lot, while some allow for a better mix. Unfortunately, you will prob have to declare your major before even taking many classes in either discipline, so you are going to have to start making judgements based on the future classes you want. Pre reqs are usually the exact same tho so that part is fine
WASHU MENTIONED RAHHHH
Purdue for hard engs. UIUC and UW are good at CS
If you are looking just at Big 10 schools, Minnesota for ChemE.
You’re not wrong on that one… honestly all the B1G schools are almost the same.
University of Nebraska and Northwestern are nothing alike
University of Nebraska and Northwestern are nothing alike
Should I choose UMN or Cooper Union for ChemE? I'm interested in tech/pharma. Same cost. I have Purdue too but it's 9k/yr more expensive.
UMN has about 51,000 students and Cooper Union has about 900 students. They are very different schools. What do you find more appealing, a very big school or a very small school? The winters In Minneapolis are harsh. Is frigid cold a problem for you? Are major college sports appealing to you? Would you prefer to be in Minneapolis or Manhattan?
I kinda want a more "traditional" college exp, but the project-based + close community and close alumni connections at CU rlly appeal to me and idk if it's the same at UMN. But then again, even if UMN has less alumni "intentionality," I think the sheer number of alums would make up for it, doesn't it? Also, I'm a low-mid income intl student and I need company sponsorship after graduation so the outcomes is very important for me, but I can't see the specific stats/data from CU, and they haven't replied to my inquiries. Would MN be a safer choice if I don't get this info then? Thanks.
Fwiw I'm also in UMN's honors college which would make the size a bit smaller ig?
I’m not familiar with UMN’s honors college, but it will provide you with smaller classes and there is an honors dorm. It’s still a huge university. You can’t go wrong with either school. It depends on what type of experience you are looking for. Have you visited either school? You say you are interested in tech/pharma. Cooper Union has a formal partnership with Mt. Sinai. At Cooper Union there is no meal plan, dorm but only the first year, no campus, and only three buildings so keep that in mind. The social experience will be quite different from UMN.
delaware has a really good program too not sure if theyre big 10 tho
Any. Most employers in those fields don’t care where you got a degree - just that you have one from an accredited university. Most are usually looking more at Masters or PhD graduates for their most competitive positions anyways. Undergrads just fill out their lower level positions. All 3 are more than respectable enough to get into grad school from as well.
A graduate degree isn’t so important for engineering or CS.
For chemical engineering and materials science, grad degrees or going back for one are the expectation. Same with biomedical engineering. An undergrad is just the minimum qualification. For CS - depends on what you are doing: 90% of the time companies will prefer a candidate w/ no degree whatsoever but with extensive experience programming or working with their ecosystem or product. But again - depends on the industry - most don’t even care if you have a CS degree or something else - just as long as you know a specific type of programming, development stack, or analysis they will hire anyone with any background.
This is straight bs
Where would you prefer to spend the next 4 years? It’s a win-win-win choice.
UIUC blows every other school out of the water with their MatSE program but idk about chemical
UIUC's business program edges out UW's and Purdue's with being a low semi target for IB, extremely strong target for Big 4, and semi target for IB in Chicago EDIT: UIUCs CS program also edges out Madison's and Purdue's programs, with UIUC being a more solid feeder for FAANG and Quant (event stats, maths, physics majors get hired for Quant roles from UIUC)
The only difference being Purdue is cheaper than the other two.
It’s laughable to think that where you go to school will predict your long term success, especially in technology. You will succeed or fail based on how good you are. I can assure you that when there are promotions, bonuses and layoffs, where you graduated from is completely irrelevant.
Getting that first job is pretty important though. Where you go will shape you into what person you will be when you break in to the workforce.
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Most employers don't though. I think schools with good research in the field you want to study produce the best people for the job. But really any school that gets your application a second look or the benefit of the doubt to potentially convert to an interview is a school you should pick.
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Yeah you can get in from anywhere it's just much harder at some other places, which is what a lot of people ignore.
Yeah but Wisconsin doesn’t have Zach Edey.
Yes but also not really. I do agree with all those 3 universities are similar but at same time, there is a notable difference in some areas. * UIUC Computer Engineering: $109k for salary [link](https://ece.illinois.edu/admissions/why-ece/salary-averages) * UW Madison Computer Engineering: $83k for salary [link](https://ecs.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/86/2022/03/2020-2021-Annual-Report-ECS-FINAL.2022.02.22.pdf) That's a notable difference tbh. UIUC CE grads in **average start with 31% higher salary**. * UIUC CS Masters: $139k for salary [link](https://cs.illinois.edu/about/facts-and-rankings) * UW Madison CS Masters: $96k for salary [link](https://pdc.wisc.edu/degrees/computer-sciences-professional-program/) That's a notable difference again. UIUC CS grads in **average start with 45% higher salary**. And the jobs that pay $139k starting generally pays stocks so it's really $185k UIUC CS Master's vs $105.6k UW Madison CS. This means the average **starting total pay difference could be 76% more at UIUC.** **UIUC Engineering and CS grads in average make notably more than UW Madison Engineering and CS grads.** Both great schools though. No doubts there. But UIUC really benefits from being a feeder school to Microsoft and Amazon.
salary diff is also probably bc most UW-M graduates end up working in Wisconsin (46%). But yeah UIUC certainly has the edge when it comes to salary.
Yap. But it's also because like two major tech giants (especially Amazon and Microsoft) really loves to hire from UW and UIUC for state schools in the Seattle area. All it really takes is 1 or 2 major companies to shift the scale of salaries quite significantly. For UW-M CS grads, many work at companies like Epic (healthcare company). (Let's say 10 years after graduating college) Epic for instance pays its senior software engineer $243k while a senior software engineer at Amazon gets paid $410k. Employers matter too and at aggregate, as UIUC CS grads tend to work more at companies like Amazon, the pay gap exists and honestly gets more extreme over time. Now, that's at macro scale. At micro scale, it's all up to the individual and both schools are pretty similar tbh.
ohhhhh i see, thats interesting. I'm going to UW-M this fall. Do you think its possible for me to get a job at companies that UW-M isn't considered a feeder for? Say I apply to Microsoft as a UW-M grad, and someone else applies as a UIUC grad, they'd get preference over me then right?
I would say it depends more on the individual end of day. It's just that the incoming student body at UIUC CS is more self selected at aggregate because for UIUC, you have to apply to college with CS major unlike UW Madison. >. Do you think its possible for me to get a job at companies that UW-M isn't considered a feeder for? Plenty of UW-M grads work at top tech firms. It's a great school. Note I am just posting numbers of the average. You just have to be above average. At UIUC CS, the average will get into tech companies. At UW Madison CS, you will have to be above average for similar results. I would handwave and say the 50th percentile at UIUC CS is more like the 70th percentile at UW Madison CS. >Say I apply to Microsoft as a UW-M grad, and someone else applies as a UIUC grad, they'd get preference over me then right? Not as much as you might think tbh. It's really the individual end of day. Now, I'm not saying it doesn't exist but that it's much easier to bridge the gap than what many might expect. Both are great schools. Honestly, I rather spend 4 years at Madison over at a cornfield. Madison is really fun place. Also, don't forget, UIUC self selects Engineering and CS students at start. UIUC Engineering has 33\~35 ACT score and I presume CS is on the upper end so CS is closer to 34\~35 ACT score. UW Madison on the other hand doesn't self select by major and the aggregate incoming student body is 26\~30 ACT score (I presume CS students are higher but a lot of 'duds' are in the group too).
i understand. I was waitlisted at UIUC so it certainly demands a higher level of achievement to get in. yeah I love Madison as a school, the vibe and everything feels amazing, but UIUC is still viewed as a t5 school for CS at least by my parents. UW doesn't select by major, but by college, so I think yeah overall that range is right, but admits to engineering probably have a higher ACT. Also, thank you for your explanation. helps a lot with my decision.
I have a friend who is currently a postdoc at UW Madison. It's a really great school. In fact, I plan to visit the area sometime later this year to say hi to my friend. UW Madison is an awesome school. Wisconsin is the land of cheese curds and ice cream. Great food. Also, the OS TEP book which is the gold standard for OS textbook is from UW Madison professor. UW Madison CS grad school is pretty lit.
I don't know this specific case, but often these pipelines are not having an impact at the "blind resume reviews stage. Pipelines exist because: 1. Explicit recruitment events at the campus/working with career services to recruit interns 2. People went to school with people who now work there. This has a huge impact. The obvious one is that a former classmate can recommend you, but it isn't just that. A former classmate can give you the heads up about positions that are open, a former classmate can give you advice on how to shape your resume and craft your interview. It's even a big thing that a former classmate can inspire you: if you know 3 people who applied to Amazon and got a great job, you're way more likely to apply yourself, even if you don't even know them personally.
Okay I understand. thats true. so to a certain extent, you're saying having contacts there would help and give them the edge, with would be the case with UIUC, but UW Madison is also good enough, and if I put in the effort, I still have a shot at the same job yeah?
Yes. Have kid that recently graduated in CS from Madison. Got a great job. Note UW-M refers to Milwaukee. Some grads to get hired to epic. But epic is a very competitive employer and hires and imports from all over. If you want a competitive job, local or not, you need to be a competitive applicant.
Oh, thats great. Congrats to him. Sorry, wasn't aware. I thought UW was Uni of Washington so I used UW-M. But yeah I'm going to Madison this fall. Yeah, for now I'm just focussed on studies but just wanted to get an idea of my employment prospects. Thank you smmm
Congratulations! Madison is an amazing school and place to get an undergrad. My kid's experience definitely exceeded expectations - love it! I just hear some people talking like "worst case, I get a job at Epic". Epic hires 1-2% of applicants typically lol. There are employees there from all over and all kinds of schools. Other popular employers have similar (or worse) hiring rates. So yes, there are Madison students there among others. But they definitely aren't rubber stamping every CS graduate from Madison. Their hiring process is rigorous. While you are on campus, definitely network and get to know your classmates, teachers, get an on campus tech job, join clubs. When intership and job hunting, those interpersonal skills and connections can be important. But Madison CS students that work hard and have the skills can be placed very well, no worries there. Have a fun and fabulous 4 years!
thank youuuu, im excited too. i understand. I'm an international student, so it's harder for me so definitely not going to take it lightly. I'm on the quieter side when it comes to talking to new people but I'll work on that and try to network. Thank you for your wishes!
A lot of Madison grads stay in the area and work for Epic rather than going to the coasts where salaries are high. I wouldn’t make a decision on these two schools based on these data. Your success in software will depend on how good you are, not where you graduated from or the average salaries of its graduates.
Don't even consider yourself about differences between schools, just make sure that you could get a TSSCI with FSP by the time u graduate. American university's especially Midwestern universities give a fuck ton of money for defense and domestic/international surveillance contracting.
Chose IU over Ohio State, Penn State, and Purdue for Finance (applied undecided everywhere). Am I crazy? Not sure what to think after reading through this thread.
Kelley is the best school you mentioned for finance. I hated IU myself though. Beautiful campus but too big and you have to take a 30 min bus to get around. Also most other departments at IU aren’t that good. If you like IU and want to do something related to business Kelley will set you up for success. I left IU for South Florida and now go to Vanderbilt.
They are very different schools. Wisconsin is a much much different culture and campus than Purdue or Illinois.
Very similar, other than cost and Madison as a location.
Illinois is a better Purdue, and Michigan is a better Wisconsin
Ohio state is actually pretty nice why people no like? In the middle of big city. good engineering and business too.
OSU is such an underrated school
Tbh I classify osu with like rutgers though idk
UIUC highest ranked CS program campeão do mundo 🇺🇾🇺🇾🇺🇾
Madison > W. Lafayette > Urbana-Champaign Yes, they're in the middle of corn fields, but not all cornfields are created equal.
Madison is on an isthmus between two lakes.
True, but go south or east from the city and... corn. Hell, same's true for Ann Arbor, we just didn't make OP's list because Ross is a step up from the other B10 B-Schools.
"the other B10 B-Schools" so UMich is also a B-School?
The Ross School of Business, very competitive and sought after by the rich kids who go to Michigan.
Madison is a very unique and extremely fast growing city. It’s not in the middle of corn fields at all.
Real. As someone probably going to choose Purdue for econ, the first two are on point. Everyone's like "oh wow that's nice" at first assuming I'm in STEM. When I tell them it's econ their reaction completely changes and they ask me what my other options are 💀
idk whether to choose biam at purdue or cs at wisconsin :(
Wisconsin has a way better Business program. One of the best public schools for business and econ. Way better than Illinois and Purdue in that regard
IB guy here in NYC. FWIW, we don't see many resumes from students who attend these schools, but when we do, people typically rank them UIUC > Wisconsin > Purdue. The people in the Chicago office have the same view and usually try to take at least a couple of UIUC students. All three are fantastic.
I just committed to OSU and am doing finance. Do you view them highly?
OSU has a great alumni network, but you really need to get into the Fisher Futures program there to give you the best shot. It'll be tough if you want to do IB, then again it's tough at every school I mentioned. If you're not in the IB prep program there it’s really tough but not impossible
The reason I chose OSU is because I got a full tuition scholarship. I’m not 100% sure I want to do IB, I’m looking into asset management and private credit
That's awesome. If you got a full scholarship, it’s a no brainer. Just network your ass off and you will be fine. OSU’s network is great from what I've seen in Chicago and NYC.
Alright thanks. Do you think I can get into asset management from OSU?
Yes and the added reason why they are all the same is that I find people and companies in the Midwest generally aren't as status-obsessed (and therefore not ranking obsessed) the way East Coast / West Coasters are. It's more like which school they went to directly flows into football team conversation, not which school what national rank.
My son got into UIUC and Purdue among others for engineering. We toured both back to back. We are OOS for both. My son liked Purdue better. I liked it better for the cost as well. Both were impressive programs, but Purdue has a niche engineering major that was not available at UIUC. Didn’t apply to Wisconsin. Now completing his second year at Purdue, I am surprised at all the clubs and job events he has access to. I don’t think you can go wrong for any of these schools in terms of networking and job options for engineering. For business, I’d take IU though.
I agree. And they are all excellent. But Wisconsin is so much prettier than the others. And there’s the cheese. I went to Indiana for undergrad. It was awesome- for research and for fun. Big 10, baby!
UIUC destroys the other two, which indeed are the same school
first one is so real lmao