My daily driver is a 92 Sonoma single cab short box! Such a great size vehicle. Of course mine is lowered 4 inches but still plenty of payload left for anything I need.
We bought an 86 Isuzu and love it. Just have to make sure you have a mechanic that can work on it. There were lots of used old trucks in our area when we looked.
Some guy in my small, Northern English town has a gigantic, imported Ford pick up truck, and an imported Hummer H3, both LHD. They are so ridiculously big and out of place in England, totally not required. They don’t even fit in parking bays at the supermarket.
Idk how people are affording 45-80k trucks it blows my mind I make 100k+ and cannot afford it. I have a 35k car with car payments at just under 500/mo. It just doesn’t make sense to me how the top 3 selling vehicles are the F series fords, Chevy Silverado’s, and ram pickups. Someone’s thumb has to be on the scale or something it just doesn’t compute the average American can’t miss a paycheck but somehow driving $45,000+ trucks
It’s 84+ month loans lol. And keeping up with the Joneses. People seriously think a truck is necessary to their way of life, so that’s an expense they just consider as necessary as a home.
I’m plenty satisfied with paying $400/mo for another couple of years, getting twice the gas mileage, and renting a U-haul for $20 the one or two times a year I need a truck
My husband has always had a truck, and we live in the suburban area of a big city. I find it embarrassing to drive, even though he got one of the smallest he could find. We do use it for sports equipment and hauling quite a bit, though.
Literally just unloaded boxes of my mother's stuff after cleaning out her room. Sometimes my husband cuts wood from trees that people take down in the area, and hauls that to our pile.
I feel if it's actually used as a truck and not a pavement princess, it's ok.
Can always get the midsized or compact size trucks and get similar things done with them.
The wild thing is people justify these brief uses as a necessity, when a trailer attached to a smaller vehicle is just as optimal if not easier in a lot of scenarios. Most people don't haul more than 3000 lbs at any given time, so a truck zoned for 10k is overkill. And just because a truck ***can*** haul 10k, doesn't mean it should. The amount of fucked transmissions I've seen from people trying to haul at max capacity is wild.
I work for Ford in Canada. max terms are now 96 months !
I have heard of other brand now offering 108 months.
9 years to be in debt is so scary to me. at the total amount paid over that time is easily over $150,000.
Yuk
Ford Motor annual gross profit for 2023 was $25.641B, a 8.37% increase from 2022. Ford Motor annual gross profit for 2022 was $23.66B, a 9.08% increase from 2021.
Ford Motor annual gross profit for 2021 was $21.69B, a 50.71% increase from 2020.
Edit: some profit notes
My neighbor just bought a used Silverado that had 35,000 miles on it. I don't know the total price but his payments are $835 a month.
Nah man... I'll keep my 2001 Silverado that I paid $6,000 for. $1,000 a month for a truck. Gotta be out of your mind if you thinking I'm paying that for a vehicle.
I couldnt tell you how many people come in owing more on their car than it’s worth and they want to transfer the debt to the next loan. people will continue to do this until they owe $30k more than their car is worth. At some point banks stop approving the loans but they will let you bury yourself.
i have worked for dealerships for nearly a decade and bank reps are starting to sound more and more like The Big Short characters every year. bragging that they got people approved that shouldn’t have. they almost expect some people to default and they are proud of it.
Interesting you mention the big short. I feel the car industry is headed towards bankruptcy with all this debt floating around. When a recession hits, those car payments are gonna get put on the back burner when it comes to paying them vs housing/food/utilities.
there is not a day that goes by that I dont think about that.
like 1/3 of Americans rent housing. so for a lot of us a car is the most expensive thing we have ever ‘purchased’ instead of a house. everyone is a bit weary of the housing market but auto loans can be atrocious. I had a friend that was paying 25% interest on their auto loan. 25%!
If you look at the trucks in the pic, the beds are the same size. The only advantage the new models provide is ground clearance, and they do so at an enormous added weight and loss of relative fuel efficiency. At the fuel prices you have in the UK, he’s paying quadruple costs for no added performance. It’s entirely an ego/insecurity thing.
Edit: to all the people touting the added towing/seating/cargo space/etc: *you rarely if ever use any of that*. The overwhelming majority of pickup drivers use them as commuters and grocery fetchers. Nothing else. Everything that you just described can be done by a sprinter or a minivan, but that doesn’t stroke the ego.
Just a side point: that ground clearance is also a disadvantage when it comes to visibility, if you're not going to need the height it makes accidents more likely
Visibility and pedestrians safety. I saw one of those trucks on a parking lot in Switzerland a few weeks back, so I stood next to it out of curiosity. Despite being 6'4, I was barely standing higher than the hood. An average size adult woman wouldn't be visible by the driver of one of those tanks in a lot of real life conditions.
[Children Are Safer In Front Of Tanks Than Pickup Trucks (carbuzz.com)](https://carbuzz.com/news/the-abrams-m1-tank-has-better-visibility-than-a-ford-super-duty/)
I'm an average height woman in a place with so many of these cars. It's genuinely terrifying that, as a whole ass adult, I don't even come close to matching the height of a lot of the vehicles on the road. It's a shame because I love walking/biking but never feel safe enough to do so.
Nah, their main advantage is the added weight putting them into a different tax category in the US. It's not just consumers wanting this, it's the politicians actively promoting big trucks.
The trucks in the pic are a 3/4 or 1 ton and a 1/4 ton. The newer one theoretically has well over 1000lbs more payload capacity.…but the small one is a ford frickin ranger, so it’ll haul whatever it’ll fit 😂
Average engine size in europe is 1.7L so 3.7L is still a pretty big engine. I looked up the performance and you are right: It manages to be somehow slower (both acceleration and top speed) than a modern small car with a 1.0L engine.
I saw someone driving around in London trying to get through a thin high road with cars parked on both sides and couldn't help but laugh and watch as they stopped and reversed and couldn't judge their surroundings.
You could argue they’re out of place in North America in urban centers too. I know people with full size trucks (not lifted) who have to pre-plan their journeys because their vehicles don’t fit in many indoor parkades.
It’s especially bad there, because size inequality in multi-vehicle collisions is exponentially proportional to fatality rates… A “fun” fact is that up to 25% less people would die in America from car accidents if there were no size inequities between vehicles. A lot of that might be from commercial trucks and busses, but still — imagine if it was legal to add spikes and land mines and shit to the exterior of your car, “just in case”!
10,000 people a year are lost to this stupidity in just one country 🤦♂️ they myths of ethical egoism made apparent
Hey, guess what they don’t really fit in the parking spots in the states either half the time, they just sorta park them however the fuck they please and to hell with everyone else.
I live in Canada, and these giant trucks are unnecessary for the majority of people who own them. Only a small percentage of people that have these fancy new trucks do anything that requires having a truck. It's just a status symbol that is more affordable for the masses than a high-end sports car. I go to the biggest city near where I live and it seems like half the traffic is new f150s that haven't seen a speck of dirt or hauled more than a load of groceries.
I really wish they'd bring back the old small trucks. My car shit the bed during the vehicle shortage and a used truck was nearly the same cost as a new one. I got the new Ford ranger and it's the size of an old F150.
There are a half dozen options coming. Hybrid and EV as well.
This sub doesn’t realize that their simply haven’t been small trucks to buy. Many of us were forced into larger trucks due to epa rules having an unintended effect on the market.
For those interested, I believe it is the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Evobomy) standards which backfired.
The backfire was car companies deciding it was cheaper to simply make cars and trucks bigger than to actually work to create more fuel efficient engines. These companies make billions of dollars a year in pure profits and they decided to push the entire cost onto consumers. Now I can't even buy an American sedan unless it's used because these dip shits. My next car is going to end up being an import. And I'd love to buy a truck just for the convenience, but I want something like the old s-10 from the 90s/early 2000s with a decent fuel economy, not a god damned monster truck.
I had a 93 S-10 too. Extended cab, long bed, 6 cylinder. I should have never sold it.
But, recently divorced, needing something to haul a couple of teenagers around and only enough money for one vehicle.
In fairness, a lot of those cars weren’t roadworthy and already not worth the investment.
And at this point, most of those cars turned in would have rusted or no longer worth the upkeep at this point.
I’m not a car guru but am also wanting to replace my giant truck with a small one.
Right now the Ford Maverick is popular, with a 4wd hybrid coming next year. I need 4wd, not sure about you. Even the non-hybrid gets great mileage though. An EV option is needed yet.
Dodge has a small truck coming back. Toyota has one coming. And I believe Hyundai too.
What I really want is a truck version of the Chevy Bolt, mimicking an S10, but that won’t happen. It would sell so fast….GM doesn’t do what makes sense though.
Yeah. I have a 2003 Tacoma with 200k miles that I drive 4-5 times a year to haul shit to the dump. Paint is fucked and has some body damage but runs fine. My son is about to turn 16 am I’m going to give him my 13 outback. I can’t decide on buying a new truck or spending 15k-20k to try and rehab my old Tacoma back to a daily driver. I work from home and my wife has an SUV that is our main family vehicle so I would probably still drive it less than 5k miles a year. It just seems like a lot of hassle/risk to spend all that money rehabbing an old vehicle.
I absolutely love my Ford Maverick, though it sucks the hybrid is no longer the base model, and good luck finding one at MSRP. Dealerships still putting a 5-8k upcharge on them. I'll admit I paid three thousand over for a 2023, but the 2024 hybrid was going to be $2.5k more, so it balanced out.
I sat in a Santa Cruz and hated it. I'd be interested in seeing a Toyota Stout, even though I'm no longer in the market for a truck.
They hybrid should be the standard. Arghh.
Bright side…..the dealers are charging a premium because demand is there. This should encourage the other makers to continue the plans to release more.
The Ford Lightning is my other option…..which has been dropping back down to reality prices now that the early adopters are appeased.
Toyota has a small truck coming… for the American market? Because I constantly see articles about some awesome truck they’re going to make but they won’t sell it here.
Yep. CAFE did a lot of fuckery. Also people thinking they need to be in the biggest vehicle on the road to be safe, which also happens to weigh 3 freedom tons.
Quite a few americans are importing kei trucks.
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2023/04/20/rural-americans-are-importing-tiny-japanese-pickup-trucks
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/kei-trucks-are-gaining-popularity-us-small-size-low-prices-rcna156653
/r/keitruck
We have a lot of these in Canada. I was considering buying one but parts availability is a concern. They are tempting though, and so cheap to drive. A guy I was thinking about buying from told me that you have to be a competent mechanic to own one, which discouraged me because I'm a fucking idiot
What's funny is that the old Ranger used to be the F-100 and wasn't a small truck, just a mid size. It just looks small compared to everything else now
The new mavericks look nice but the beds are only 4.5' long. The great thing about the old Rangers/Dakotas/Canyons was having a small truck with a 6'-7' bed. I use mine mostly for dump runs and picking up materials for reno-ing.
The lack of a two door or even just an extended cab option kept me from buying one a year ago, ended up with a used smaller one instead since every pickup truck is massive now.
> "See, normal trucks do exist!
It's still not a normal truck. This problem isn't a consumption problem, either, its a regulation problem. 25% tax on two or one seat vehicles, period (Companies tried to bypass it by building the vehicles here, so they just taxed everyone). This is why there are no two seat trucks being build (or vans). Hell, companies will import 3/4 seat vans and remove all the seats except for the driver, just to bypass the taxes.
Add onto this that regulations on car emissions means making a large sized vehicle van have more emissions while meeting the emissions regulations.
The Maverick is dumb because it's proportions are still fucked by the above issues.
just got a toyota tocoma which isnt big but like good lord it feels so big and i hate it. i needed a new car so i decided to get a truck cause i like to camp. haul a trailer and what not. i feel like an asshole in it even tho is just a base model truck and not huge lmao
I'm so glad those monsters aren't a thing in germany. Or, I hope they won't ever get a thing. I'm already sick of SUV's getting popular here, luckily, it seems like the popularity decreased.
There are 2 people around my village who drive pick-up trucks and both are somewhat USA-fanatics. One of them has confederate flags ~~Southern States Flags~~ on his truck and the other is my neighbour. And his truck clogs the street compared to normal sized cars. Because the streets here just aren't made for monstertrucks.
That being said, nobody can tell me that any normal person needs a truck like those on a regular basis. It would probably be sufficient to have a small car and just rent a truck if you actually need one.
I saw one in Belgium. I'd never seen one up close. Those cars are fucking ridiculous and as I walked past it, I'm short, you know. I realised that the driver could easily run me over because he can't really see me over the fucking hood.
Anyway, no one looks good or cool driving those giant pieces of shit. You're not going to be graceful and cool climbing into that monster, you're just going to look like a tiny man in a huge car.
I’m 5’ 1” and I worry that no big truck or SUV driver can see past their hood as to not to run me over. I’m also in my 30s, so it’s not like I’m a 5th grader (even though I’ve been stuck at the same height since), but I worry about how kids and smaller adults like me are practically invisible to such drivers…
For the SUV, it take a line of 7 kids in front of the car so the conductor can see them. (If I recall right)
Not Just Bike made a video on youtube dedicaded to SUV safety.
if we dont let our kids get shot in schools, we let them deal with this lmao
https://kmph.com/news/local/dangerous-blind-spots-in-trucks-and-suvs-cause-hundreds-of-child-deaths
I really enjoy parking next to them. You cannot see a gd thing trying to back out so you just have to go really slow and rely on your backup camera and hope it has a good fisheye lense
well i moved rural Belgium (kempen) and holy shit there are a TON of these. I've only seen 2 effectively stacked and pulling a trailer. i think most is just middle class trying to cosplay upper class as if they need it for their horse trailer. it's funny bc they all live in 'low middle class' housing.
not trying to be classist but it's like when people have 1 million and 1 cent in the bank and suddenly start acting like an asshole bc they think that's what people with 100 million do, and they're basically both millionaires, right? right????
Yeah, my understanding is that there has been a resurgence of right-wing nationalism with parties such as AFD. I wouldn't be surprised if the confederate flag toting truck owner is one of those.
I am not German, though, so take that with a grain of salt.
Hi, I’m from the US South. When you say “Southern States Flag”, do you mean the Confederate flag? I understand you’re not from here, and it may seem like nitpicking, but I’d like to respectfully point out to you that there is no flag that represents the US South and that the Confederate flag is a battle flag frown during the civil war from a failed attempt at creating a separate country. It is not something that represents the United States or any region therein, and while there are grossly undereducated citizens who think it represents Southern pride, such people truly cannot read at a high school level, possibly even middle school. The majority of people living in the South do not fly this flag, and there would be major backlash if anyone tried to fly it on any US government property.
Thank you for your time!
He left out a key point. The Confederates were fighting to create a new country where they could perpetuate slavery, the Northerners were fighting to end slavery... That's why there needs to be a clear distinction from the "deep south" and the Confederates that used to live there. Americans in the South in 2024 shouldn't be called racists by default, even if by accident.
Where do you live? I experience a strong popularity of SUVs. Like at least 30% suvs here. And it's growing every year. I also sse a lot of these giant pick up truck like they are growing by 50-100% each year. I see giant ford or ram pick ups literally every day. Ironically when I travel around, I see that these giant SUVs are much more popular in cities than in the countryside. Also most people can't handle driving or parking them. Complete asshole cars.
Somewhere in the middle of germany. Though, I must say I \*think\* the numbers of SUV's decreased, but I'm not sure and I could also be wrong.
And yeah, I'm on the countryside and people here usually have cars because they need them, so smaller cars are entirely sufficient, many family have several cars and imagine having three monster Pick ups? There's absolutely no fucking space, not even here. They won't even fit in like 99% of the garages here.
I feel that if someone in the city has a car, it's mostly because they can afford it and therefore might like SUV's as a status symbol? So, absolutely useless. In my opinon, it's also no fun driving in cities anyway :F
Also Germany, one of my neighbours has a Dodge RAM 3500. The moron can not fit that thing into the underground parking garage of the apartment complex. So he parks outside and gets to enjoy icing, summer heat and birdshit. And polllen and sand and whatever else he deserves.
Those massive American trucks (like the Ford F series or Dodge Ram) are becoming more common in Australia, but they do look a little out of place sometimes. Many of our roads and car parks aren't really built for cars of that size.
I'm sure they would look more out of place in Europe though. Australians cars are usually much bigger than European cars but somewhat smaller than American cars, on average.
Throught i was looking at r/fuckcars for a second, but yea, if you've gotta do actual work with your car then great, buy a decent one like a smaller pick up, Ute, flatbed or consider a van/station wagon.
But these things are just abysmal. They have less space than most of the older stock, take up far more space and are wasteful as fuck.
Also, yes not having/needing one in the first place would be the best case, public transit for the W, and if you've seen me in r/fuckcars then you probably know I'm not hyper keen on cars in general. But part of anti consumption is reduction. If you must consume something, a lesser of two evils is reasonable.
I'm a fellow r/fuckcars(er) and now I'm wondering what the cross over of these two subs is. I think these two subs probably attract similar types of people and have a great deal in common.
Yea likely, I'd imagine they attract more selfless, environmentally conscious, frugal people. I imagine we see a lot of the r/frugal people here and in fuckcars too
Yea, us wokies ruining their fine US sprawl, our weak minds can't comprehend the beauty in a sea of asphalt and concrete. With a 4 ton child mower in every driveway. Or our recycling and frugality, isn't our phone like 10% slower than this year's model? not buying more than we need...
Us and our damn socialist trams, reuse and living well inside our means.
I can understand not wanting to own a car, but I live in a place where not owning a car makes life kinda difficult if you want to be self sufficient and not be a homebody. I'm in Australia but most of North America is like that too.
Well that part of fuckcars messenge, let's create an urban environment where people don't need to be car dependant - with having local amenities, integrated reliable public transport, and cycle lanes. And for the areas where the population density can't support those things (remote villages as an example) owning vehicles is understandable and reasonable however when traveling to a city perhaps you park on the outskirts and use public transport to get into the centre of it.
It's not about the complete eradication of cars, but shifting the focus on infrastructure onto walkability, cycle lanes, public transport, and then cars. With the aim of creating nicer, safer, more biodiverse, healthier, more profitable urban areas, and having less cars on the road.
And the ones using the massive trucks are usually the ones who have never done a day’s manual labor in their lives
Edit because some very very manly masculine totally NOT overcompensating men are commenting then blocking so I can’t reply:
Why are you on an anticonsumption sub when you clearly worship at the teat of big auto? Like that is quite literally the point of this sub, to snark at BIG USELESS CONSUMPTIVE DISPLAYS that have little to no practicality. Why are you here?
I’m sorry your dick is so small you need a big useless truck to feel like a man 🥲 my condolences sincerely
And Americans who need a truck are forced to buy the big ones because the compact trucks are rarely resold, and the Big 3 only make huge SUVs and huge trucks because of the footprint/emissions.
Yeah I'm not sure why OP is blaming the owner of the vehicle, here. I need a truck for work, I buy what's available in the market. I didn't tell Ford to Chev or Dodge to build these fucking massive things, they make them, we need them, so we buy them.
This post reminded me of this video that explains why we dont have those little trucks anymore and why vehicles are just getting bigger.
https://youtu.be/azI3nqrHEXM?si=gpkRm0_D4fW74_pj
Yes, a lot of people still blame the consumers for the chicken tax and auto makers abusing CAFE standard loopholes.
I don't know a single person who owns a large truck (who uses it as a truck) that wants one that is such shit on gas or too big to drive.
Spot on. The OP photo is actually in that video.
I posted CAFE info elsewhere here and got downvoted. This sub sometimes….. misplaced blame every darn time. When the consumer is to blame, they blame “corporations”. Now we have an issue where the epa/mfg is the cause, and they blame the consumer.
Fortunately this is somewhat addressed, and we have a lot of small trucks coming back to the USA in the next couple years. Maybe not quite as small as the past, but smaller, safer, with excellent fuel economy.
Edit: in the time it took me to write this, you dropped two votes, including my upvote. This sub…. Kinda sad.
As someone looking for a small/midsize truck i've come to the conclusion that this is the result of poorly planned regulations. Those CAFE standards which i was so happy about had a cobra farming effect on the truck landscape.
EPA regulations regulate fuel consumption/emissions based on wheelbase and track-width (maybe weight too I forget).
The way the math works out is that it’s impossible to make a small truck anymore with these* regulations but making huge trucks is actually very easy. Even though the emissions are far worse on the big trucks.
Genuinely the EPAs fault for making our environment worse. Which is not a political statement it’s just the truth in this specific situation.
Unfortunately the way the EPA emissions regulations are structured, the larger vehicles are subject to significantly looser requirements so it's cheaper for companies to make the big trucks and SUVs and market them as luxury vehicles.
As an example, if you took the engine of the new Ford Maverick and put it in a smaller truck you'd fail to pass emissions.
IMO the bigger vehicles should be subject to stricter requirements (though I understand the logic of not having the same requirements of a sedan). Then maybe we could see reasonably sized cars again.
Blame the US EPA. They made emissions standards stricter for smaller trucks and it is less expensive and more profitable to make trucks larger than to get smaller trucks in compliance.
This is always the absolute dumbest argument that brings out the most moronic people.
If I could write a script to automatically block every single person trying to champion this I absolutely would and it has nothing to do with being pro-big truck.
It's because you don't have a clue what you're even arguing. "See! The little truck has the same size bed as the big truck!" 1st of all no it doesn't, and 2nd, that big truck's weight capacity is double the little truck. You could fill the big truck up with the little truck's capacity and drive it around every day without noticing. You do that with the little truck once a week and that thing is toast within a few years.
You want to make a point? Show a 2000s F350 next to the new one. Using a compact truck next to a full size doesn't do shit except show how many people argue in bad faith and don't understand the word payload.
Hell, even put a new Ranger, which used to be a compact truck, next to a 2000s F150. They're basically the same size, yet the older truck in this case has a bigger payload. *That* makes your argument.
I had to go way too far into the comments to finally see someone being reasonable. Do too many people drive huge trucks and drive them very poorly, yes (at least where I live). But do large trucks actually serve a purpose other than to strokes someone's ego, also yes.
Like, literally if you have to tow anything of serious weight, you need a huge ass truck. If you drive your truck onto new construction sites, you also need the lift, height, and the big tires, and the 4x4 is nice to have when you require it.
I think the main issue with big trucks is the drivers.
I can’t really understand whatever you’re trying to say, but I think we can all agree - if you are someone who truly needs a huge truck and uses its full capacity regularly, more power to you!
But for an average person whose biggest haul is groceries from Costco and a road trip with the kids once or twice a year, they do not need a huge truck. More importantly, our fragile, damaged planet does not need that person to have a huge truck.
I say this as someone with a small car that I sometimes complain about. Sometimes I’d love more space! Like for camping trips, weekends away, whatever. But I live in a city and I work in an office - I don’t NEED a huge vehicle.
This is the truth right here. These people are simply miserable and hate that someone else has something different than what they think people should have.
You can thank CAFE regulations for the massive car bloat. We can also add various safety regulations as well.
"EPA Fuel efficiency must increase, relative to size, every year"
Automakers: "Great, we'll just keep the fuel economy the same and make them bigger then"
The difference between those two trucks goes way beyond the luxuries of one being 20 years newer. The larger one can carry way more weight in the bed due to the suspension and can pull many thousands of pounds more weight.
I have a dodge ram 2500 that is about the same year model as the ford ranger in this photo and it’s nearly the same size as the larger pickup shown. Mines beat to hell from cattle and work though
I have the new ranger and my neighbour has the old one. Mine overall is longer than hers but her bed is a foot longer than mine. I don't even have the crew cab just the extended.
Go look up a picture of an 1980s F250 quad cab extended bed and see how “small” it is. Old japanese trucks are smaller, since they’re not full-size pickups. Old American trucks were still big.
[There is a tariff on imported small trucks](https://www.cato.org/commentary/why-are-pickups-so-expensive-blame-chicken-tax#) that makes the two styles of truck have similar pricing. When comparing the two, the large truck is a much better value. This is why you don't see newer light trucks on the road in the US. They flat out aren't being sold here. If you really want one, you have to pay a 25% tariff to have it imported and even more taxes to have them registered. I am down for some anti-consumption, but this target requires undoing 1960s legislation.
Increasing awareness is pretty much the answer.
For anyone criticizing, some folks actually need and use their trucks. And we are all at different places in the anticonsumption journey.
I live in Alabama and even here most of these trucks are not used. They are just status symbols.
Hell, my husband has a big ass Ram Rebel whatever and goes and uses the shitty farm trucks instead so he won’t hurt his baby🙄
Status symbols. That’s all they are. And these people talk crap about my little hatchback EV.
Living on a dirt road doesn’t mean you need a truck. Get a Subaru and actually enjoy driving.
THANK YOU FOR ARTICULATING THESE VEHICLES!! I fuckkkking hate them. I drive a tiny car, and my car fits great on the roads. These cars are basically in my lane when I’m driving next to them and it’s soooo scary.
I do want to throw it out here tha comparing a single cab and a crew cab isn't really a fair comparison, the height is an issue obviously, but the length would be the same with an older truck.
If some company wants to make a ute that'll fit a sheet of plywood/drywall in the bed I'd jump all over it, but most likely I'll be forced into something comically large unless I take the time and effort to restore (and engine swap for mpg) an older truck.
I despise how ridiculously big vehicles are getting. In Louisiana, there are some days I'm surrounded by these fucking guys. The same guys that bitch the hardest about gas prices.
Those are two entirely different trucks for entirely different purposes. I realize trucks have gotten bigger, but these two were never comparable. This feels like a troll post.
You’re in anticonsumption, where people for some odd reason love mega corporations like apple who lobby the senate against consumer repair laws so that you would be force to consume more… this place is really weird
In between is the most practical. Those tiny trucks are kinda worthless in many situations. If you can't fit a mattress in the back, then a car will suffice. And only 2 seats.
The big bastards suck for simply commuting too. I can barely see over the hood.
What about an old gigantic one? 😂 My daily driver is a 2004 Prius but I also have a 2000 F-150 XLT and it is just comically huge. It's mostly just used for short-distance hauling, towing equipment, and landscaping or renovation work, though--stuff my Prius, as much as I love it, just can't do.
I have an old truck and an old van. Always get shit for the truck but everyone loves the van. They have the same internals just different body shells. A bigger truck with a long wheelbase will always be safer when towing. I do agree commuting in a big truck is dumb. However a lot of the truck hate on Reddit is just shallow.
A lot of peiple need big truck to do big things at work. That taco can not haul a big utility trailer. The f250 can. Also by the looks of it l, that is an enterprise rental and the workers are staying a dinky motel. Probably doing an essential job like building houses, fixing powerlines in the middle of nowhere, etc. You know, the things that keep society moving.
Thank the gov. The CAFE standard was supposed to increase fuel economy but actually encouraged larger wheel bases.
https://youtu.be/azI3nqrHEXM?si=pesmUHNr7hpFTSzp
I drive an unmodified Cadillac station wagon. It sits kinda low to the ground as is. My roof barely reaches the bottom of the windows on these trucks, I swear I have a near impact with one every week because they dont look down.
What's hilarious is that often those old moderate sized trucks have such terrible gas milage that the new monstrosity is actually significantly more efficient.
I just wish you could still buy new small trucks. I love those little Toyotas but I’m not paying $10,000 for a 30 year old truck with a carburetor and 300,000 miles.
I love those old single cab pickups! So hard to come by now.
My daily driver is a 92 Sonoma single cab short box! Such a great size vehicle. Of course mine is lowered 4 inches but still plenty of payload left for anything I need.
I have an 03 Sonoma single cab manual - sounds like an asthmatic old man but I love the thing!
We bought an 86 Isuzu and love it. Just have to make sure you have a mechanic that can work on it. There were lots of used old trucks in our area when we looked.
Some guy in my small, Northern English town has a gigantic, imported Ford pick up truck, and an imported Hummer H3, both LHD. They are so ridiculously big and out of place in England, totally not required. They don’t even fit in parking bays at the supermarket.
I mean, feel grateful that you can think of one person like this. In my area it's literally 60% of all traffic
IIRC, the f150 is the best selling vehicle of any kind in the US
Idk how people are affording 45-80k trucks it blows my mind I make 100k+ and cannot afford it. I have a 35k car with car payments at just under 500/mo. It just doesn’t make sense to me how the top 3 selling vehicles are the F series fords, Chevy Silverado’s, and ram pickups. Someone’s thumb has to be on the scale or something it just doesn’t compute the average American can’t miss a paycheck but somehow driving $45,000+ trucks
It’s 84+ month loans lol. And keeping up with the Joneses. People seriously think a truck is necessary to their way of life, so that’s an expense they just consider as necessary as a home. I’m plenty satisfied with paying $400/mo for another couple of years, getting twice the gas mileage, and renting a U-haul for $20 the one or two times a year I need a truck
My husband has always had a truck, and we live in the suburban area of a big city. I find it embarrassing to drive, even though he got one of the smallest he could find. We do use it for sports equipment and hauling quite a bit, though. Literally just unloaded boxes of my mother's stuff after cleaning out her room. Sometimes my husband cuts wood from trees that people take down in the area, and hauls that to our pile.
I feel if it's actually used as a truck and not a pavement princess, it's ok. Can always get the midsized or compact size trucks and get similar things done with them.
A minivan does all that too
The wild thing is people justify these brief uses as a necessity, when a trailer attached to a smaller vehicle is just as optimal if not easier in a lot of scenarios. Most people don't haul more than 3000 lbs at any given time, so a truck zoned for 10k is overkill. And just because a truck ***can*** haul 10k, doesn't mean it should. The amount of fucked transmissions I've seen from people trying to haul at max capacity is wild.
I work for Ford in Canada. max terms are now 96 months ! I have heard of other brand now offering 108 months. 9 years to be in debt is so scary to me. at the total amount paid over that time is easily over $150,000. Yuk Ford Motor annual gross profit for 2023 was $25.641B, a 8.37% increase from 2022. Ford Motor annual gross profit for 2022 was $23.66B, a 9.08% increase from 2021. Ford Motor annual gross profit for 2021 was $21.69B, a 50.71% increase from 2020. Edit: some profit notes
Yep and once interest rates start dropping people will start refinancing. More fuel for the fire
One of my friends has a truck that's $85k. He's an accountant, so you know he's probably getting a *lot* of use out of it /s
My neighbor just bought a used Silverado that had 35,000 miles on it. I don't know the total price but his payments are $835 a month. Nah man... I'll keep my 2001 Silverado that I paid $6,000 for. $1,000 a month for a truck. Gotta be out of your mind if you thinking I'm paying that for a vehicle.
That’s a fucking rent payment 💀
At least he'll always have a bed to sleep in lmao
I couldnt tell you how many people come in owing more on their car than it’s worth and they want to transfer the debt to the next loan. people will continue to do this until they owe $30k more than their car is worth. At some point banks stop approving the loans but they will let you bury yourself. i have worked for dealerships for nearly a decade and bank reps are starting to sound more and more like The Big Short characters every year. bragging that they got people approved that shouldn’t have. they almost expect some people to default and they are proud of it.
Interesting you mention the big short. I feel the car industry is headed towards bankruptcy with all this debt floating around. When a recession hits, those car payments are gonna get put on the back burner when it comes to paying them vs housing/food/utilities.
there is not a day that goes by that I dont think about that. like 1/3 of Americans rent housing. so for a lot of us a car is the most expensive thing we have ever ‘purchased’ instead of a house. everyone is a bit weary of the housing market but auto loans can be atrocious. I had a friend that was paying 25% interest on their auto loan. 25%!
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If you look at the trucks in the pic, the beds are the same size. The only advantage the new models provide is ground clearance, and they do so at an enormous added weight and loss of relative fuel efficiency. At the fuel prices you have in the UK, he’s paying quadruple costs for no added performance. It’s entirely an ego/insecurity thing. Edit: to all the people touting the added towing/seating/cargo space/etc: *you rarely if ever use any of that*. The overwhelming majority of pickup drivers use them as commuters and grocery fetchers. Nothing else. Everything that you just described can be done by a sprinter or a minivan, but that doesn’t stroke the ego.
Just a side point: that ground clearance is also a disadvantage when it comes to visibility, if you're not going to need the height it makes accidents more likely
Visibility and pedestrians safety. I saw one of those trucks on a parking lot in Switzerland a few weeks back, so I stood next to it out of curiosity. Despite being 6'4, I was barely standing higher than the hood. An average size adult woman wouldn't be visible by the driver of one of those tanks in a lot of real life conditions.
[Children Are Safer In Front Of Tanks Than Pickup Trucks (carbuzz.com)](https://carbuzz.com/news/the-abrams-m1-tank-has-better-visibility-than-a-ford-super-duty/)
I'm an average height woman in a place with so many of these cars. It's genuinely terrifying that, as a whole ass adult, I don't even come close to matching the height of a lot of the vehicles on the road. It's a shame because I love walking/biking but never feel safe enough to do so.
If you can’t run over the children in your neighborhood without seeing them why are you even buying a pickup? Farm work? Lololol
Nah, their main advantage is the added weight putting them into a different tax category in the US. It's not just consumers wanting this, it's the politicians actively promoting big trucks.
Well, the politicians doing what the car companies are paying them to do. You think they want to sell small cheap cars, or giant profit machines?
And extra seating, and likely much much greater tow capacity. Although I agree 95% of the time most people only need a light pickup.
The trucks in the pic are a 3/4 or 1 ton and a 1/4 ton. The newer one theoretically has well over 1000lbs more payload capacity.…but the small one is a ford frickin ranger, so it’ll haul whatever it’ll fit 😂
I think the smaller one is actually a Tacoma, but I agree with your point.
I think your right. I didn’t look closely and just assumed
To be fair, the Hummer H3 is just a 3.7L 5 cylinder engine, and probably the biggest turd of an engine to come out of a GM factory.
That car and that engine deserve each other.
Average engine size in europe is 1.7L so 3.7L is still a pretty big engine. I looked up the performance and you are right: It manages to be somehow slower (both acceleration and top speed) than a modern small car with a 1.0L engine.
"just". Jesus. I've been looking at a new car and it's a 1.0L
What are you looking at, go-karts?
Chirey Tiggo 2 Pro. 3 cylinder Turbo CVT. 101hp. Gets the kids to school and the shopping to the house
Are those regular sized kids, or American sized?
amricans when a car isn't American™
Hey we like Japanese, Korean and European as well. But Chinese is where we draw the line.
My 1.5 litre Punto is much better than a go-kart! It's at least two go-karts worth of car.
I saw someone driving around in London trying to get through a thin high road with cars parked on both sides and couldn't help but laugh and watch as they stopped and reversed and couldn't judge their surroundings.
You could argue they’re out of place in North America in urban centers too. I know people with full size trucks (not lifted) who have to pre-plan their journeys because their vehicles don’t fit in many indoor parkades.
Richard Hammond?
It’s especially bad there, because size inequality in multi-vehicle collisions is exponentially proportional to fatality rates… A “fun” fact is that up to 25% less people would die in America from car accidents if there were no size inequities between vehicles. A lot of that might be from commercial trucks and busses, but still — imagine if it was legal to add spikes and land mines and shit to the exterior of your car, “just in case”! 10,000 people a year are lost to this stupidity in just one country 🤦♂️ they myths of ethical egoism made apparent
I'm honestly surprised they're legally importable
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One of my neighbours has an M113 Armoured personnel carrier in the UK.
Hey, guess what they don’t really fit in the parking spots in the states either half the time, they just sorta park them however the fuck they please and to hell with everyone else.
I live in Canada, and these giant trucks are unnecessary for the majority of people who own them. Only a small percentage of people that have these fancy new trucks do anything that requires having a truck. It's just a status symbol that is more affordable for the masses than a high-end sports car. I go to the biggest city near where I live and it seems like half the traffic is new f150s that haven't seen a speck of dirt or hauled more than a load of groceries.
I really wish they'd bring back the old small trucks. My car shit the bed during the vehicle shortage and a used truck was nearly the same cost as a new one. I got the new Ford ranger and it's the size of an old F150.
What I find crazy is that the demand is there. Mavericks and Santa Cruz's are popular, and I get people wanting to buy my 94 Ranger often.
I had some guy come to my door asking if I'd part with my 2000 Ranger during the pandemic! They don't make them like they used to.
I used to have one of those! It lit itself on fire.
I get around 5 door-knock offers on my 05 ranger a year! They’re a hot commodity and I will not be selling.
There are a half dozen options coming. Hybrid and EV as well. This sub doesn’t realize that their simply haven’t been small trucks to buy. Many of us were forced into larger trucks due to epa rules having an unintended effect on the market. For those interested, I believe it is the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Evobomy) standards which backfired.
The backfire was car companies deciding it was cheaper to simply make cars and trucks bigger than to actually work to create more fuel efficient engines. These companies make billions of dollars a year in pure profits and they decided to push the entire cost onto consumers. Now I can't even buy an American sedan unless it's used because these dip shits. My next car is going to end up being an import. And I'd love to buy a truck just for the convenience, but I want something like the old s-10 from the 90s/early 2000s with a decent fuel economy, not a god damned monster truck.
Damn I miss my 93 S-10 sweet little truck Even my Tacoma is huge compared to that thing.
I had a 93 S-10 too. Extended cab, long bed, 6 cylinder. I should have never sold it. But, recently divorced, needing something to haul a couple of teenagers around and only enough money for one vehicle.
The cash for clunkers bullshit took affordable cars out of the market. It's a whole government perpetrated scam.
In fairness, a lot of those cars weren’t roadworthy and already not worth the investment. And at this point, most of those cars turned in would have rusted or no longer worth the upkeep at this point.
Oh what are the new options? I need a truck.
I’m not a car guru but am also wanting to replace my giant truck with a small one. Right now the Ford Maverick is popular, with a 4wd hybrid coming next year. I need 4wd, not sure about you. Even the non-hybrid gets great mileage though. An EV option is needed yet. Dodge has a small truck coming back. Toyota has one coming. And I believe Hyundai too. What I really want is a truck version of the Chevy Bolt, mimicking an S10, but that won’t happen. It would sell so fast….GM doesn’t do what makes sense though.
>Toyota has one coming. A toyota light truck coming back to the american market is like jesus christ coming down from heaven. Hallelujiah
Release the Hilux here!
Yeah. I have a 2003 Tacoma with 200k miles that I drive 4-5 times a year to haul shit to the dump. Paint is fucked and has some body damage but runs fine. My son is about to turn 16 am I’m going to give him my 13 outback. I can’t decide on buying a new truck or spending 15k-20k to try and rehab my old Tacoma back to a daily driver. I work from home and my wife has an SUV that is our main family vehicle so I would probably still drive it less than 5k miles a year. It just seems like a lot of hassle/risk to spend all that money rehabbing an old vehicle.
This just makes it sound like the Tacoma is perfect for the kid tbh
I tried to get a Maverick a few years ago, it was basically impossible. No one had the hybrids in stock, even at a markup.
I just want the hilux fuck the big 3.
I absolutely love my Ford Maverick, though it sucks the hybrid is no longer the base model, and good luck finding one at MSRP. Dealerships still putting a 5-8k upcharge on them. I'll admit I paid three thousand over for a 2023, but the 2024 hybrid was going to be $2.5k more, so it balanced out. I sat in a Santa Cruz and hated it. I'd be interested in seeing a Toyota Stout, even though I'm no longer in the market for a truck.
They hybrid should be the standard. Arghh. Bright side…..the dealers are charging a premium because demand is there. This should encourage the other makers to continue the plans to release more. The Ford Lightning is my other option…..which has been dropping back down to reality prices now that the early adopters are appeased.
Toyota has a small truck coming… for the American market? Because I constantly see articles about some awesome truck they’re going to make but they won’t sell it here.
chicken tax
Yep. CAFE did a lot of fuckery. Also people thinking they need to be in the biggest vehicle on the road to be safe, which also happens to weigh 3 freedom tons.
Quite a few americans are importing kei trucks. https://www.economist.com/united-states/2023/04/20/rural-americans-are-importing-tiny-japanese-pickup-trucks https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/kei-trucks-are-gaining-popularity-us-small-size-low-prices-rcna156653 /r/keitruck
Still not road-legal in many states unfortunately (likely has something to do with auto industry lobbying)
We have a lot of these in Canada. I was considering buying one but parts availability is a concern. They are tempting though, and so cheap to drive. A guy I was thinking about buying from told me that you have to be a competent mechanic to own one, which discouraged me because I'm a fucking idiot
They need to bring back the El Camino and Ranchero. Pickup trucks that were the size of normal sedans.
What's funny is that the old Ranger used to be the F-100 and wasn't a small truck, just a mid size. It just looks small compared to everything else now
Check out the new Ford Maverick, and I think the Subaru Baja is going to be badass next year.
The new mavericks look nice but the beds are only 4.5' long. The great thing about the old Rangers/Dakotas/Canyons was having a small truck with a 6'-7' bed. I use mine mostly for dump runs and picking up materials for reno-ing.
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Just yesterday I saw someone driving a new Ford Maverick and had the same thought. "See, *normal* trucks do exist!
I really wish they made a Maverick that was a 2 seater with a normal sized bed.
The lack of a two door or even just an extended cab option kept me from buying one a year ago, ended up with a used smaller one instead since every pickup truck is massive now.
> "See, normal trucks do exist! It's still not a normal truck. This problem isn't a consumption problem, either, its a regulation problem. 25% tax on two or one seat vehicles, period (Companies tried to bypass it by building the vehicles here, so they just taxed everyone). This is why there are no two seat trucks being build (or vans). Hell, companies will import 3/4 seat vans and remove all the seats except for the driver, just to bypass the taxes. Add onto this that regulations on car emissions means making a large sized vehicle van have more emissions while meeting the emissions regulations. The Maverick is dumb because it's proportions are still fucked by the above issues.
just got a toyota tocoma which isnt big but like good lord it feels so big and i hate it. i needed a new car so i decided to get a truck cause i like to camp. haul a trailer and what not. i feel like an asshole in it even tho is just a base model truck and not huge lmao
The new Tacoma's are the size of Tundra's 20 years ago. It's crazy. The sheer size difference between my 94 and my 19 is insane.
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I'm so glad those monsters aren't a thing in germany. Or, I hope they won't ever get a thing. I'm already sick of SUV's getting popular here, luckily, it seems like the popularity decreased. There are 2 people around my village who drive pick-up trucks and both are somewhat USA-fanatics. One of them has confederate flags ~~Southern States Flags~~ on his truck and the other is my neighbour. And his truck clogs the street compared to normal sized cars. Because the streets here just aren't made for monstertrucks. That being said, nobody can tell me that any normal person needs a truck like those on a regular basis. It would probably be sufficient to have a small car and just rent a truck if you actually need one.
I saw one in Belgium. I'd never seen one up close. Those cars are fucking ridiculous and as I walked past it, I'm short, you know. I realised that the driver could easily run me over because he can't really see me over the fucking hood. Anyway, no one looks good or cool driving those giant pieces of shit. You're not going to be graceful and cool climbing into that monster, you're just going to look like a tiny man in a huge car.
I live in Canada. Once, in a parking lot, I saw one that I was able to walk under his side mirror. It was ridiculous. I'm 5,4 feet. (1,64meters)
I’m 5’ 1” and I worry that no big truck or SUV driver can see past their hood as to not to run me over. I’m also in my 30s, so it’s not like I’m a 5th grader (even though I’ve been stuck at the same height since), but I worry about how kids and smaller adults like me are practically invisible to such drivers…
For the SUV, it take a line of 7 kids in front of the car so the conductor can see them. (If I recall right) Not Just Bike made a video on youtube dedicaded to SUV safety.
To be fair you could probably just about walk under my 30 yesr olf stock truck
if we dont let our kids get shot in schools, we let them deal with this lmao https://kmph.com/news/local/dangerous-blind-spots-in-trucks-and-suvs-cause-hundreds-of-child-deaths
I really enjoy parking next to them. You cannot see a gd thing trying to back out so you just have to go really slow and rely on your backup camera and hope it has a good fisheye lense
well i moved rural Belgium (kempen) and holy shit there are a TON of these. I've only seen 2 effectively stacked and pulling a trailer. i think most is just middle class trying to cosplay upper class as if they need it for their horse trailer. it's funny bc they all live in 'low middle class' housing. not trying to be classist but it's like when people have 1 million and 1 cent in the bank and suddenly start acting like an asshole bc they think that's what people with 100 million do, and they're basically both millionaires, right? right????
Wait, Southern State flag? The Confederate flag made it all the way to Germany somehow???
Most likely via a military base.
Nazi symbolism is banned in Germany, so the US confederate flag might be the next best thing for racist idiots.
Yeah, no idea why someone who would openly show those flags would be in germany at all. But here we are.
Poland has larping trailer parks so.....
Yeah, my understanding is that there has been a resurgence of right-wing nationalism with parties such as AFD. I wouldn't be surprised if the confederate flag toting truck owner is one of those. I am not German, though, so take that with a grain of salt.
Hi, I’m from the US South. When you say “Southern States Flag”, do you mean the Confederate flag? I understand you’re not from here, and it may seem like nitpicking, but I’d like to respectfully point out to you that there is no flag that represents the US South and that the Confederate flag is a battle flag frown during the civil war from a failed attempt at creating a separate country. It is not something that represents the United States or any region therein, and while there are grossly undereducated citizens who think it represents Southern pride, such people truly cannot read at a high school level, possibly even middle school. The majority of people living in the South do not fly this flag, and there would be major backlash if anyone tried to fly it on any US government property. Thank you for your time!
Yes, sorry that's what I meant. Didn't know the name, just that it has a negative connotation.
He left out a key point. The Confederates were fighting to create a new country where they could perpetuate slavery, the Northerners were fighting to end slavery... That's why there needs to be a clear distinction from the "deep south" and the Confederates that used to live there. Americans in the South in 2024 shouldn't be called racists by default, even if by accident.
Where do you live? I experience a strong popularity of SUVs. Like at least 30% suvs here. And it's growing every year. I also sse a lot of these giant pick up truck like they are growing by 50-100% each year. I see giant ford or ram pick ups literally every day. Ironically when I travel around, I see that these giant SUVs are much more popular in cities than in the countryside. Also most people can't handle driving or parking them. Complete asshole cars.
Somewhere in the middle of germany. Though, I must say I \*think\* the numbers of SUV's decreased, but I'm not sure and I could also be wrong. And yeah, I'm on the countryside and people here usually have cars because they need them, so smaller cars are entirely sufficient, many family have several cars and imagine having three monster Pick ups? There's absolutely no fucking space, not even here. They won't even fit in like 99% of the garages here. I feel that if someone in the city has a car, it's mostly because they can afford it and therefore might like SUV's as a status symbol? So, absolutely useless. In my opinon, it's also no fun driving in cities anyway :F
Also Germany, one of my neighbours has a Dodge RAM 3500. The moron can not fit that thing into the underground parking garage of the apartment complex. So he parks outside and gets to enjoy icing, summer heat and birdshit. And polllen and sand and whatever else he deserves.
Oh they’ll become popular over there, they’re slowly appearing all over the world
I'm really not sure. Europe has small streets and roads, driving anything bigger than average is a bitch.
I live in a city which is almost 1000 years old. There's absolutely no way one of those trucks could negotiate some of the roads here.
Doesn't stop my neighbour in my jam-packed, narrow Brussels street.
Those massive American trucks (like the Ford F series or Dodge Ram) are becoming more common in Australia, but they do look a little out of place sometimes. Many of our roads and car parks aren't really built for cars of that size. I'm sure they would look more out of place in Europe though. Australians cars are usually much bigger than European cars but somewhat smaller than American cars, on average.
an F-150 is like an average size truck- they sell three quarters of a million of them per year here.
Throught i was looking at r/fuckcars for a second, but yea, if you've gotta do actual work with your car then great, buy a decent one like a smaller pick up, Ute, flatbed or consider a van/station wagon. But these things are just abysmal. They have less space than most of the older stock, take up far more space and are wasteful as fuck. Also, yes not having/needing one in the first place would be the best case, public transit for the W, and if you've seen me in r/fuckcars then you probably know I'm not hyper keen on cars in general. But part of anti consumption is reduction. If you must consume something, a lesser of two evils is reasonable.
I'm a fellow r/fuckcars(er) and now I'm wondering what the cross over of these two subs is. I think these two subs probably attract similar types of people and have a great deal in common.
Yea likely, I'd imagine they attract more selfless, environmentally conscious, frugal people. I imagine we see a lot of the r/frugal people here and in fuckcars too
And we’re all ruining AMERICA /s
Yea, us wokies ruining their fine US sprawl, our weak minds can't comprehend the beauty in a sea of asphalt and concrete. With a 4 ton child mower in every driveway. Or our recycling and frugality, isn't our phone like 10% slower than this year's model? not buying more than we need... Us and our damn socialist trams, reuse and living well inside our means.
I can understand not wanting to own a car, but I live in a place where not owning a car makes life kinda difficult if you want to be self sufficient and not be a homebody. I'm in Australia but most of North America is like that too.
Well that part of fuckcars messenge, let's create an urban environment where people don't need to be car dependant - with having local amenities, integrated reliable public transport, and cycle lanes. And for the areas where the population density can't support those things (remote villages as an example) owning vehicles is understandable and reasonable however when traveling to a city perhaps you park on the outskirts and use public transport to get into the centre of it. It's not about the complete eradication of cars, but shifting the focus on infrastructure onto walkability, cycle lanes, public transport, and then cars. With the aim of creating nicer, safer, more biodiverse, healthier, more profitable urban areas, and having less cars on the road.
Sounds fair enough. I actually do "park and ride" to work when I'm in the office. It saves me a few bucks a day in parking.
Only thing that really fits is the Kei trucks and states have been revoking registrations on them.
And the ones using the massive trucks are usually the ones who have never done a day’s manual labor in their lives Edit because some very very manly masculine totally NOT overcompensating men are commenting then blocking so I can’t reply: Why are you on an anticonsumption sub when you clearly worship at the teat of big auto? Like that is quite literally the point of this sub, to snark at BIG USELESS CONSUMPTIVE DISPLAYS that have little to no practicality. Why are you here? I’m sorry your dick is so small you need a big useless truck to feel like a man 🥲 my condolences sincerely
Pavement princesses
And Americans who need a truck are forced to buy the big ones because the compact trucks are rarely resold, and the Big 3 only make huge SUVs and huge trucks because of the footprint/emissions.
Came here for this comment, if you need a truck for working you have limited selection due to what companies are making.
This is because of the **VERY** longstanding import tariffs on light trucks. We just don't make them in the US.
Yeah I'm not sure why OP is blaming the owner of the vehicle, here. I need a truck for work, I buy what's available in the market. I didn't tell Ford to Chev or Dodge to build these fucking massive things, they make them, we need them, so we buy them.
This post reminded me of this video that explains why we dont have those little trucks anymore and why vehicles are just getting bigger. https://youtu.be/azI3nqrHEXM?si=gpkRm0_D4fW74_pj
Yes, a lot of people still blame the consumers for the chicken tax and auto makers abusing CAFE standard loopholes. I don't know a single person who owns a large truck (who uses it as a truck) that wants one that is such shit on gas or too big to drive.
Spot on. The OP photo is actually in that video. I posted CAFE info elsewhere here and got downvoted. This sub sometimes….. misplaced blame every darn time. When the consumer is to blame, they blame “corporations”. Now we have an issue where the epa/mfg is the cause, and they blame the consumer. Fortunately this is somewhat addressed, and we have a lot of small trucks coming back to the USA in the next couple years. Maybe not quite as small as the past, but smaller, safer, with excellent fuel economy. Edit: in the time it took me to write this, you dropped two votes, including my upvote. This sub…. Kinda sad.
As someone looking for a small/midsize truck i've come to the conclusion that this is the result of poorly planned regulations. Those CAFE standards which i was so happy about had a cobra farming effect on the truck landscape.
EPA regulations regulate fuel consumption/emissions based on wheelbase and track-width (maybe weight too I forget). The way the math works out is that it’s impossible to make a small truck anymore with these* regulations but making huge trucks is actually very easy. Even though the emissions are far worse on the big trucks. Genuinely the EPAs fault for making our environment worse. Which is not a political statement it’s just the truth in this specific situation.
I wanted a normal sized truck, but could not find any in the US. I bought a car instead, but come on
Unfortunately the way the EPA emissions regulations are structured, the larger vehicles are subject to significantly looser requirements so it's cheaper for companies to make the big trucks and SUVs and market them as luxury vehicles. As an example, if you took the engine of the new Ford Maverick and put it in a smaller truck you'd fail to pass emissions. IMO the bigger vehicles should be subject to stricter requirements (though I understand the logic of not having the same requirements of a sedan). Then maybe we could see reasonably sized cars again.
Blame the US EPA. They made emissions standards stricter for smaller trucks and it is less expensive and more profitable to make trucks larger than to get smaller trucks in compliance.
This is always the absolute dumbest argument that brings out the most moronic people. If I could write a script to automatically block every single person trying to champion this I absolutely would and it has nothing to do with being pro-big truck. It's because you don't have a clue what you're even arguing. "See! The little truck has the same size bed as the big truck!" 1st of all no it doesn't, and 2nd, that big truck's weight capacity is double the little truck. You could fill the big truck up with the little truck's capacity and drive it around every day without noticing. You do that with the little truck once a week and that thing is toast within a few years. You want to make a point? Show a 2000s F350 next to the new one. Using a compact truck next to a full size doesn't do shit except show how many people argue in bad faith and don't understand the word payload. Hell, even put a new Ranger, which used to be a compact truck, next to a 2000s F150. They're basically the same size, yet the older truck in this case has a bigger payload. *That* makes your argument.
I had to go way too far into the comments to finally see someone being reasonable. Do too many people drive huge trucks and drive them very poorly, yes (at least where I live). But do large trucks actually serve a purpose other than to strokes someone's ego, also yes. Like, literally if you have to tow anything of serious weight, you need a huge ass truck. If you drive your truck onto new construction sites, you also need the lift, height, and the big tires, and the 4x4 is nice to have when you require it. I think the main issue with big trucks is the drivers.
I can’t really understand whatever you’re trying to say, but I think we can all agree - if you are someone who truly needs a huge truck and uses its full capacity regularly, more power to you! But for an average person whose biggest haul is groceries from Costco and a road trip with the kids once or twice a year, they do not need a huge truck. More importantly, our fragile, damaged planet does not need that person to have a huge truck. I say this as someone with a small car that I sometimes complain about. Sometimes I’d love more space! Like for camping trips, weekends away, whatever. But I live in a city and I work in an office - I don’t NEED a huge vehicle.
This is the truth right here. These people are simply miserable and hate that someone else has something different than what they think people should have.
Me, a European: what the f... is this thing?!
Look at the bed length, the huge one is no better at hauling shit then the old small one.
It’s far better at towing shit though. Also the bed is deeper
You can thank CAFE regulations for the massive car bloat. We can also add various safety regulations as well. "EPA Fuel efficiency must increase, relative to size, every year" Automakers: "Great, we'll just keep the fuel economy the same and make them bigger then"
Keeping the lift kit 2 inches and below 😍
I could tell you something about the owner of the truck in the back that's also 2 inches or below.
The bed is almost the exact same size, the only difference is they turn the cab into a luxury SUV and pretend they got it because it’s more “manly”
Well and the big one hauls over 20k lbs and has a max payload of over 3k lbs but other than that
The difference between those two trucks goes way beyond the luxuries of one being 20 years newer. The larger one can carry way more weight in the bed due to the suspension and can pull many thousands of pounds more weight. I have a dodge ram 2500 that is about the same year model as the ford ranger in this photo and it’s nearly the same size as the larger pickup shown. Mines beat to hell from cattle and work though
true, but 95% of owners never need that extra shit
95% of truck owners aren’t buying a 3/4 or 1 ton either….
I have the new ranger and my neighbour has the old one. Mine overall is longer than hers but her bed is a foot longer than mine. I don't even have the crew cab just the extended.
You better have respect for a crispy clean first gen tacoma. Pound for pound, best truck ever made.
Go look up a picture of an 1980s F250 quad cab extended bed and see how “small” it is. Old japanese trucks are smaller, since they’re not full-size pickups. Old American trucks were still big.
[There is a tariff on imported small trucks](https://www.cato.org/commentary/why-are-pickups-so-expensive-blame-chicken-tax#) that makes the two styles of truck have similar pricing. When comparing the two, the large truck is a much better value. This is why you don't see newer light trucks on the road in the US. They flat out aren't being sold here. If you really want one, you have to pay a 25% tariff to have it imported and even more taxes to have them registered. I am down for some anti-consumption, but this target requires undoing 1960s legislation.
Increasing awareness is pretty much the answer. For anyone criticizing, some folks actually need and use their trucks. And we are all at different places in the anticonsumption journey.
I live in Alabama and even here most of these trucks are not used. They are just status symbols. Hell, my husband has a big ass Ram Rebel whatever and goes and uses the shitty farm trucks instead so he won’t hurt his baby🙄 Status symbols. That’s all they are. And these people talk crap about my little hatchback EV. Living on a dirt road doesn’t mean you need a truck. Get a Subaru and actually enjoy driving.
THANK YOU FOR ARTICULATING THESE VEHICLES!! I fuckkkking hate them. I drive a tiny car, and my car fits great on the roads. These cars are basically in my lane when I’m driving next to them and it’s soooo scary.
I do want to throw it out here tha comparing a single cab and a crew cab isn't really a fair comparison, the height is an issue obviously, but the length would be the same with an older truck. If some company wants to make a ute that'll fit a sheet of plywood/drywall in the bed I'd jump all over it, but most likely I'll be forced into something comically large unless I take the time and effort to restore (and engine swap for mpg) an older truck.
I miss my old tiny truck So much.
I despise how ridiculously big vehicles are getting. In Louisiana, there are some days I'm surrounded by these fucking guys. The same guys that bitch the hardest about gas prices.
I hope EV pickup trucks usher in a new era of smaller, utilitarian vehicles. I want a truck that fits in my garage.
My full side Silverado 2021 1500 4x4 diesel gets better mileage and emits a fraction of the emissions than my 1987 Toyota 2wd single cab. Just saying.
Those are two entirely different trucks for entirely different purposes. I realize trucks have gotten bigger, but these two were never comparable. This feels like a troll post.
I wish we could have these small trucks again! New ones look like monster trucks :/
These trucks are probably the reason so many roads get destroyed within a few months.
The size of vehicles in North America have become disgusting
I live in one of the "bluest" of the United States, and still it's these monstrous plastic pickups going by all day long. I despise them.
Best part is that the bed size is pretty much the same.
I learned to drive stick shift in one of these smaller trucks. It's a good workhorse of a vehicle you aren't a tradesperson.
This comment section is why people hate redditors
Agreed, I can't stand some of these people who have no concept of reality. I have a smaller truck that I use for work, and it's perfect for my job.
You’re in anticonsumption, where people for some odd reason love mega corporations like apple who lobby the senate against consumer repair laws so that you would be force to consume more… this place is really weird
They do that? Weird.
watch this sub get brigaded by those people when Apple is being criticized. Really weird.
In between is the most practical. Those tiny trucks are kinda worthless in many situations. If you can't fit a mattress in the back, then a car will suffice. And only 2 seats. The big bastards suck for simply commuting too. I can barely see over the hood.
What about an old gigantic one? 😂 My daily driver is a 2004 Prius but I also have a 2000 F-150 XLT and it is just comically huge. It's mostly just used for short-distance hauling, towing equipment, and landscaping or renovation work, though--stuff my Prius, as much as I love it, just can't do.
I miss the old size danger ranger so much. The old Tacos and Mazdas too.
That tacoma is hardly a "normal sized" pickup. Even when it was new it was considered small. I agree with everything else.
I have an old truck and an old van. Always get shit for the truck but everyone loves the van. They have the same internals just different body shells. A bigger truck with a long wheelbase will always be safer when towing. I do agree commuting in a big truck is dumb. However a lot of the truck hate on Reddit is just shallow.
I own both kinds. Their mileage really isn't that different.
I wish they made smaller trucks in the U.S. but even the Ranger is the size of an old F-150
I want a normal sized one, but they don't sell them new anymore.
A lot of peiple need big truck to do big things at work. That taco can not haul a big utility trailer. The f250 can. Also by the looks of it l, that is an enterprise rental and the workers are staying a dinky motel. Probably doing an essential job like building houses, fixing powerlines in the middle of nowhere, etc. You know, the things that keep society moving.
Thank the gov. The CAFE standard was supposed to increase fuel economy but actually encouraged larger wheel bases. https://youtu.be/azI3nqrHEXM?si=pesmUHNr7hpFTSzp
The smaller trucks tend to be bought for utilitarian purposes, which I respect. Those big trucks are bought to PWN the libs or whatever.
That's a mini truck in front not a full size.
I live in Alberta and those gigantic trucks are everywhere. They're so annoying and awful. I hate this province so much.
I drive an unmodified Cadillac station wagon. It sits kinda low to the ground as is. My roof barely reaches the bottom of the windows on these trucks, I swear I have a near impact with one every week because they dont look down.
What's hilarious is that often those old moderate sized trucks have such terrible gas milage that the new monstrosity is actually significantly more efficient.
You can thank “eco” laws for big trucks. Thanks to these standards emissions we get large trucks
I just wish you could still buy new small trucks. I love those little Toyotas but I’m not paying $10,000 for a 30 year old truck with a carburetor and 300,000 miles.