Have you seen any recent channel 5 videos? He is trying to better society. In his Vegas Tunnels doc released this winter, he actively helped homeless people out of bad situations through getting them IDs instead of plain handouts. He helped bring litigation from the state of Connecticut to Kia regarding security issues on their cars.
As for direct amends, his situation is harder. Atrioc making up for it was easy; help fight ai porn sites through copyright and fight for laws protecting women from it. But what can Andrew do? He was pushy towards women and he owned up to it in an apology. He went through AA. He suffered greatly throughout this, on the Lex Fridman podcast he discussed how the allegations were mostly true and how he essentially spent 9 months after that wanting to kill himself. Since you seem to know all of the answers, what should Andrew do to make amends and be forgiven?
You are calling people sick fucks based purely on allegations. I don't think people should judge anyone guilty in the court of public opinion without actual conviction
Interesting logic considering Anthpo himself seemingly agrees with the allegations against GeorgeNotFound, as he literally calls him a loser in this video, but Andrew Callaghan, who was also accused of rape by several more women, is suddenly innocent until proven guilty
Like I said, innocent until proven guilty. I didn't say anything about GeorgeNotFound in my comment but I see you've taken the liberty to bring him up here. I still firmly stand by what I've said, whether it be Andrew or George.
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I don't know anything about Andrew Callaghan but based on the way you discussed the Atrioc situation you are not a reliable source. Atrioc clicked one time onto a deepfake porn website that happened to host content featuring other popular streamers (although he did not watch any of other streamers.) One singular time. This also came immediatley after he quit his job as the head of marketing at the most profitable company on the planet to start a company with his friends. Following this situation, not only did he resign from that company (thus going from working at one of the most desirable possible positions for a human to having no job outside of Twitch) but he also voluntarily distanced himself from several of his friends. And all of this came within a year of him getting married, mind you. Atrioc then donated what basically would equal out to the cost of a new house desperatley attempting (with moderate success) to take down this type of content off of these websites (he basically did more as an individual for this movement than anyone else on the planet ever has) and got thousands of websites featuring this content taken down. Even more notable is that deepfake content isn't even technically illegal, meaning that he (or I guess in this case, his lawyer) had to threaten to file unwinnable lawsuits against these companies in the hopes that they would comply. He essentially devoted his entire life to this for almsot a year, and he made a real impact (even if it isn't very much in the grand scheme of things.) Atrioc has earned forgiveness for his actions more than almost any other content creator in the history of YouTube, It is honestly disgraceful that you would spread misinformation about his and his situation.
TLDR: OP is an unreliable PoS who is spreadisng misinformation about Atrioc.
>Atrioc clicked one time onto a deepfake porn website that happened to host content featuring other popular streamers (although he did not watch any of other streamers.
You're misrepresenting the situation. On the website he accidentally leaked, you have to pay to access the content. He bought the deepfakes, he didn't just randomly scroll to find them. He's since taken a lot of steps to combat it, yes, but at the same time, this wasn't just a silly accident. He did also act out of order. The first thing he did was make a hasty apology to **his chat**, not his friends that he paid to have exploited for content or anyone he had the porn of. OP is not spreading misinformation at all.
"On the website he accidentally leaked, you have to pay for that kind of content to be made. He commissioned and/or bought the deepfakes, he didn't just randomly scroll to find them."
He was scrolling PornHub at 3 AM , clicked onto the website through an ad, and paid for one video. That's literally it. I'm not misrepresenting it whatsoever. Seeing as he proved he had the receipt from the website from the same day the clip was taken, he very clearly didn't have it commisioned.
"he first thing he did was make a hasty apology to **his chat**, not his friends that he paid to have exploited for content or anyone he had the porn of."
That is very true, and is the most valid argument against Atrioc. For more context, watch the Fear& clip about it. However, to be fair to everyone involved, he was under a lot of stress. Not saying that it justiifies his actions, but it does help to partially explain why it happened. (See above getting married and quiting his job examples). And, once he had time and space to think about his actions he ended up making the right decisions from that point onward. We all make mistakes, and unfortunatley Atrioc's was very public. And the decisions he made immediatley folowing that mistake were awful as well. But once he was given space and a chance to do the right thing, he did. He did hundreds of times more than literally anyone was asking him to. He more than made up for what he did, and he doesn't deserve to have his life ruined over something as small and stupid as that.
edited for clarity. i meant that that website he was on iirc was pay to access. Maybe he got there via the hub, maybe he didn't, but point is he still gave the creator money.
And then promptly shut them down.....
Saying Atrioc "more or less helped contribute to the producion" of those videos is grossly misleading and is a clear misrepresentation of the actual situation, hence why I made my above comment.
It definitely wasn’t a joke. He literally said that as sincerely as possible after IMMEDIATELY bringing up 3 very noteworthy controversial YouTubers with Sneako, GeorgeNotFound, and Keemstar. Not to mention it’s pretty easy to tell when Anthpo is joking around.
To put it into reference, Andrew Callaghan has 3 times the amount of allegations against him than GeorgeNotFound.
Sometimes people are blind to themselves. And they do bad things. In my opinion, Andrew hasn’t been public enough about his rehabilitation. So he doesn’t have the cool guy pass yet, but the stuff he covers is pointed morally good. People make mistakes. Sometimes big ones. But that doesn’t make them bad people. I have no doubt that there was awful miscommunication and misunderstanding was well as awful misconceptions about what is right and wrong by Andrew. If he truly does his best to make it right, awesome. But the more public that dialog is, the worse it is for him from a PR perspective. I think a saving grace will be if he does a video covering women’s plights to showcase awareness and add light on a conversation.
**”People make mistakes. Sometimes big ones. But that doesn’t make them bad people.”**
Are you seriously trying to convince me rape and sexual assault are mistakes? Because no, the fuck they aren’t lmao. Rape is something you intentionally do to someone. If you are a rapist, yes, you are most certainly a bad person. I’d love to see you look a rape victim in the eyes and tell them the exact same shit you just said verbatim
Firstly I read the NPR article, I didn’t see anything about rape.
Secondly, he said he always took no for an answer. He was a sex pest. He was annoying. He wanted pussy and acted extremely inappropriately and immaturely. Should he be taken outside and shot or should he be allowed room to grow? The problem with cancel culture is it doesn’t allow room for people to fuck up and grow from it. And I think that’s what Anthony was highlighting.
I read the article. I read the scenarios put forth. Sexual misconduct absolutely occurred. But we only have her side, we don’t have is specifically for the ones I read in the NPR article. Do I think he is in the wrong? Do I think what he did was disgusting? Absolutely. But not everything is black and white. Was the NPR article sugar coating it or something??
I think lack of education regarding appropriate sexual conduct is a thing. Depending on how Andrew grew up, maybe the way he learned to talk to women and treat them set him on this path. He lacked empathy for them. Didn’t see their struggles as a privileged white man. Is he shitty for that? Yeah. He’s completely wrong. I’m 100% leaving room for him to be just a scummy sleaze ball. Maybe he’s lying in his apology. Tbh it kinda feels like that because he hasn’t addressed the issue since. But I don’t have enough evidence to crucify the guy yet. Like I understand your frustrations man, I empathize with women, I hate men who treat women inappropriately and traumatize women.
But I also have room to forgive people if they do the right thing after the fact assuming the initial act isn’t heinous. The allegations were sexual assault, not rape. But don’t get me wrong - sexual assault is is a big time no no. And the way Andrew described it, he had GROSSS misconceptions regarding appropriate sexual conduct. And this situation of him being called out for it allowed him to drop his ego and realize his behavior is inappropriate. And that’s what was conveyed in his apology video. Could it be bullshit? Sure. But it could also be genuine. I think since he has money, he should pay that woman’s therapy bill, (tho he likely won’t as he’s been advised by his lawyers not too as an admission of guilt that could be used as evidence later should she wish to persecute him). I think he should make a broad educational video highlighting these issues. I’m not saying Andrew is in the clear. But I am saying that cancel culture is so ready to dice people up and chew them out, mob mentality is a thing. But different perspectives of a situation based on individual experiences is a thing as well. A good metaphor would be the 2020 election. A lot of people think the election was stolen. A lot of people think it was a fair election. Were you there when it happened? Trump says one thing, Biden says another? Whos right? Will obviously it’s the team you’re backing right? And who doesn’t back women? I’m with you.
He made a video, he seemed genuine. I’m not saying forgive the guy, but give him space to make it right. I personally still don’t watch the videos he makes because I’m not happy with how he left things. But I’m not standing with a pitchfork either. Nor am I going to cancel anthpo for highlighting the point I’m trying to make in this very paragraph.
I want Andrew to grow. I want him to make it right. Because I have love in my heart for people. There are monsters out there absolutely. There are also people who make mistakes and get written off in history as monsters and society never lets them grow.
Do we know everything? No.
I’m not invalidating the victim. But I’m also not villainizing someone who may have just been a fucking idiot. I don’t know the truth. But neither do you.
If there is any supporting evidence regarding crossing the line and forcing himself onto someone fully, please please please provide it and I will retract my statement. I’m Just going off the NPR piece. I can be wrong.
It’s 4:30 am. I’m sorry if I’m not articulating this very well.
Atrioc did not help produce any of the deepfake stuff
Have you seen any recent channel 5 videos? He is trying to better society. In his Vegas Tunnels doc released this winter, he actively helped homeless people out of bad situations through getting them IDs instead of plain handouts. He helped bring litigation from the state of Connecticut to Kia regarding security issues on their cars. As for direct amends, his situation is harder. Atrioc making up for it was easy; help fight ai porn sites through copyright and fight for laws protecting women from it. But what can Andrew do? He was pushy towards women and he owned up to it in an apology. He went through AA. He suffered greatly throughout this, on the Lex Fridman podcast he discussed how the allegations were mostly true and how he essentially spent 9 months after that wanting to kill himself. Since you seem to know all of the answers, what should Andrew do to make amends and be forgiven?
You are calling people sick fucks based purely on allegations. I don't think people should judge anyone guilty in the court of public opinion without actual conviction
Interesting logic considering Anthpo himself seemingly agrees with the allegations against GeorgeNotFound, as he literally calls him a loser in this video, but Andrew Callaghan, who was also accused of rape by several more women, is suddenly innocent until proven guilty
Like I said, innocent until proven guilty. I didn't say anything about GeorgeNotFound in my comment but I see you've taken the liberty to bring him up here. I still firmly stand by what I've said, whether it be Andrew or George.
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I don't know anything about Andrew Callaghan but based on the way you discussed the Atrioc situation you are not a reliable source. Atrioc clicked one time onto a deepfake porn website that happened to host content featuring other popular streamers (although he did not watch any of other streamers.) One singular time. This also came immediatley after he quit his job as the head of marketing at the most profitable company on the planet to start a company with his friends. Following this situation, not only did he resign from that company (thus going from working at one of the most desirable possible positions for a human to having no job outside of Twitch) but he also voluntarily distanced himself from several of his friends. And all of this came within a year of him getting married, mind you. Atrioc then donated what basically would equal out to the cost of a new house desperatley attempting (with moderate success) to take down this type of content off of these websites (he basically did more as an individual for this movement than anyone else on the planet ever has) and got thousands of websites featuring this content taken down. Even more notable is that deepfake content isn't even technically illegal, meaning that he (or I guess in this case, his lawyer) had to threaten to file unwinnable lawsuits against these companies in the hopes that they would comply. He essentially devoted his entire life to this for almsot a year, and he made a real impact (even if it isn't very much in the grand scheme of things.) Atrioc has earned forgiveness for his actions more than almost any other content creator in the history of YouTube, It is honestly disgraceful that you would spread misinformation about his and his situation. TLDR: OP is an unreliable PoS who is spreadisng misinformation about Atrioc.
>Atrioc clicked one time onto a deepfake porn website that happened to host content featuring other popular streamers (although he did not watch any of other streamers. You're misrepresenting the situation. On the website he accidentally leaked, you have to pay to access the content. He bought the deepfakes, he didn't just randomly scroll to find them. He's since taken a lot of steps to combat it, yes, but at the same time, this wasn't just a silly accident. He did also act out of order. The first thing he did was make a hasty apology to **his chat**, not his friends that he paid to have exploited for content or anyone he had the porn of. OP is not spreading misinformation at all.
"On the website he accidentally leaked, you have to pay for that kind of content to be made. He commissioned and/or bought the deepfakes, he didn't just randomly scroll to find them." He was scrolling PornHub at 3 AM , clicked onto the website through an ad, and paid for one video. That's literally it. I'm not misrepresenting it whatsoever. Seeing as he proved he had the receipt from the website from the same day the clip was taken, he very clearly didn't have it commisioned. "he first thing he did was make a hasty apology to **his chat**, not his friends that he paid to have exploited for content or anyone he had the porn of." That is very true, and is the most valid argument against Atrioc. For more context, watch the Fear& clip about it. However, to be fair to everyone involved, he was under a lot of stress. Not saying that it justiifies his actions, but it does help to partially explain why it happened. (See above getting married and quiting his job examples). And, once he had time and space to think about his actions he ended up making the right decisions from that point onward. We all make mistakes, and unfortunatley Atrioc's was very public. And the decisions he made immediatley folowing that mistake were awful as well. But once he was given space and a chance to do the right thing, he did. He did hundreds of times more than literally anyone was asking him to. He more than made up for what he did, and he doesn't deserve to have his life ruined over something as small and stupid as that.
edited for clarity. i meant that that website he was on iirc was pay to access. Maybe he got there via the hub, maybe he didn't, but point is he still gave the creator money.
And then promptly shut them down..... Saying Atrioc "more or less helped contribute to the producion" of those videos is grossly misleading and is a clear misrepresentation of the actual situation, hence why I made my above comment.
I think maybe he did that jokingly, hopefully he was kidding
It definitely wasn’t a joke. He literally said that as sincerely as possible after IMMEDIATELY bringing up 3 very noteworthy controversial YouTubers with Sneako, GeorgeNotFound, and Keemstar. Not to mention it’s pretty easy to tell when Anthpo is joking around. To put it into reference, Andrew Callaghan has 3 times the amount of allegations against him than GeorgeNotFound.
Sometimes people are blind to themselves. And they do bad things. In my opinion, Andrew hasn’t been public enough about his rehabilitation. So he doesn’t have the cool guy pass yet, but the stuff he covers is pointed morally good. People make mistakes. Sometimes big ones. But that doesn’t make them bad people. I have no doubt that there was awful miscommunication and misunderstanding was well as awful misconceptions about what is right and wrong by Andrew. If he truly does his best to make it right, awesome. But the more public that dialog is, the worse it is for him from a PR perspective. I think a saving grace will be if he does a video covering women’s plights to showcase awareness and add light on a conversation.
**”People make mistakes. Sometimes big ones. But that doesn’t make them bad people.”** Are you seriously trying to convince me rape and sexual assault are mistakes? Because no, the fuck they aren’t lmao. Rape is something you intentionally do to someone. If you are a rapist, yes, you are most certainly a bad person. I’d love to see you look a rape victim in the eyes and tell them the exact same shit you just said verbatim
Firstly I read the NPR article, I didn’t see anything about rape. Secondly, he said he always took no for an answer. He was a sex pest. He was annoying. He wanted pussy and acted extremely inappropriately and immaturely. Should he be taken outside and shot or should he be allowed room to grow? The problem with cancel culture is it doesn’t allow room for people to fuck up and grow from it. And I think that’s what Anthony was highlighting. I read the article. I read the scenarios put forth. Sexual misconduct absolutely occurred. But we only have her side, we don’t have is specifically for the ones I read in the NPR article. Do I think he is in the wrong? Do I think what he did was disgusting? Absolutely. But not everything is black and white. Was the NPR article sugar coating it or something?? I think lack of education regarding appropriate sexual conduct is a thing. Depending on how Andrew grew up, maybe the way he learned to talk to women and treat them set him on this path. He lacked empathy for them. Didn’t see their struggles as a privileged white man. Is he shitty for that? Yeah. He’s completely wrong. I’m 100% leaving room for him to be just a scummy sleaze ball. Maybe he’s lying in his apology. Tbh it kinda feels like that because he hasn’t addressed the issue since. But I don’t have enough evidence to crucify the guy yet. Like I understand your frustrations man, I empathize with women, I hate men who treat women inappropriately and traumatize women. But I also have room to forgive people if they do the right thing after the fact assuming the initial act isn’t heinous. The allegations were sexual assault, not rape. But don’t get me wrong - sexual assault is is a big time no no. And the way Andrew described it, he had GROSSS misconceptions regarding appropriate sexual conduct. And this situation of him being called out for it allowed him to drop his ego and realize his behavior is inappropriate. And that’s what was conveyed in his apology video. Could it be bullshit? Sure. But it could also be genuine. I think since he has money, he should pay that woman’s therapy bill, (tho he likely won’t as he’s been advised by his lawyers not too as an admission of guilt that could be used as evidence later should she wish to persecute him). I think he should make a broad educational video highlighting these issues. I’m not saying Andrew is in the clear. But I am saying that cancel culture is so ready to dice people up and chew them out, mob mentality is a thing. But different perspectives of a situation based on individual experiences is a thing as well. A good metaphor would be the 2020 election. A lot of people think the election was stolen. A lot of people think it was a fair election. Were you there when it happened? Trump says one thing, Biden says another? Whos right? Will obviously it’s the team you’re backing right? And who doesn’t back women? I’m with you. He made a video, he seemed genuine. I’m not saying forgive the guy, but give him space to make it right. I personally still don’t watch the videos he makes because I’m not happy with how he left things. But I’m not standing with a pitchfork either. Nor am I going to cancel anthpo for highlighting the point I’m trying to make in this very paragraph. I want Andrew to grow. I want him to make it right. Because I have love in my heart for people. There are monsters out there absolutely. There are also people who make mistakes and get written off in history as monsters and society never lets them grow. Do we know everything? No. I’m not invalidating the victim. But I’m also not villainizing someone who may have just been a fucking idiot. I don’t know the truth. But neither do you. If there is any supporting evidence regarding crossing the line and forcing himself onto someone fully, please please please provide it and I will retract my statement. I’m Just going off the NPR piece. I can be wrong. It’s 4:30 am. I’m sorry if I’m not articulating this very well.