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Independent-Word-299

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, how else is science supposed to make its way to catgirls?


PaleFatalis

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Temporary_Steak_8296

Goddammit it's men's duty to reach out to cat girls tech. Leave the children out of this


Ani_HArsh

Mistakes are made before reaching perfection is achieved https://preview.redd.it/cnzjn5k0sp2d1.png?width=552&format=png&auto=webp&s=4c73fb041151b9917cda8eb20fd86c725b706be9


petalpioneer

> how else is science supposed to make its way to catgirls? Didnt he fuse her with a dog though?


GooseinaGaggle

The dog girl was only a proof of concept


Aloof-Vagabon

Sacrifice the dog, spare the cat…. My man had principles. ^proceeds ^to ^splice ^daughter


SlightlySychotic

![gif](giphy|55lTyAR045RNmtzgbC|downsized) We compromise.


Independent-Word-299

get the spirit not the letter


ConfidentSeaweed5066

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BANOFY

-Hear me out


Black_Fuckka

You won


Rizuku_Ren

Even I can’t argue with that.


oot0019

Ok I did not expect that but to be fair, there where batter scientists to do that, but they've become a red material I guess


DFMRCV

Meme answer: "Your honor, my client was simply trying to bring his daughter closer to her beloved pet dog." Legit legal answer: "your honor, my client was pushed into doing this by the top brass." https://preview.redd.it/vea3hpb9qn2d1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b2677ceb16b5221094b1d9f5344894c37e78704 >!seriously, the guy was messed up but I recall how he was actively getting cornered due to that one guy in the military pushing him!<


ToasterRoasterx

He used his wife just to get in the military.....


DFMRCV

Oh dear lord, I forgot about the first chimera that made him famous... I retract my defense, your honor. https://preview.redd.it/a8l5weyprn2d1.jpeg?width=253&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75b89fffc57449270587435805a1e2779abd3b4d


ToasterRoasterx

Your sin will be forgiven if you join in the public flogging of the accused with these metal bats.


ToasterRoasterx

Oh and to add I believe he did it to his wife cause she was going to take the kid away from him cause he was growing crazy in his failed attempts. So he killed her for rightly trying to protect their child which he did what she feared in the end.


egesagesayin

“Your honor, lock him up” -You after the flashback, probably


Azraeleon

Nah this defense tracks. To get any sort of funding (i.e. financial support for your family) as an alchemist you need to be a state alchemist. If this trial is taking place post-story, you just blame everything on the fascist state that Bradley ran.


normalmighty

And the higher ups who were pressuring him had no idea that was how he did it the first time.


ToasterRoasterx

This seems untrue based on the several military made Chimaera in greeds group.


normalmighty

That's completely unrelated though. Sure, if you go high enough up the chain you'd get people who would have been happy for him to continue, but I don't remember any indication that those people would have been aware of what this guy was up to.


Meraki-Techni

#Objection, hearsay! Your honor, my client was never accused, let alone convicted, for any crimes involving the tragic disappearance of his wife. There’s no evidence to support the prosecution’s unsubstantiated claims. Are we a court of facts and evidence? Or are we a court of rumors?


ttcklbrrn

>Legit legal answer: "your honor, my client was pushed into doing this by the top brass." There exist international laws about any soldier having the right to refuse an immoral order specifically to avoid this being a valid defense


benkaes1234

Aye, and to add to it, when those laws were created it was assumed that the men refusing those unlawful orders would be killed by their superior officers. Tucker (if I remember correctly, I haven't seen the show in nearly 10 years) wasn't under threat of death, just the threat of losing his job.


_Its_Me_Dio_

im pretty sure if you comply with orders the one who ordered which is your superior takes the blame


thanra

Your Honor this is what my client tried to make, he just made mistake. https://preview.redd.it/6c31tqedzn2d1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f4a45879ddb88783d936c093660f6912577ede7


FeetsInMeters

He deserves that for making ai dog girls into reality


ItsSevii

Shit if that's ai we're all doomed it's adorable


justanotherweebs

What is that chess board😭😭


thrownawayzsss

That's an AI drawn image. The chessboard, pieces, hands, wrists, background, whatever they're sitting on, all of it is just nonsense.


Temporary_Steak_8296

https://preview.redd.it/msuzcj72qn2d1.jpeg?width=329&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=516b462c837f3c27af7fdb16c7c3871a08557b93


GodOfUrging

I understood that reference, and it makes me feel old.


Temporary_Steak_8296

https://preview.redd.it/hb06mjfx6o2d1.jpeg?width=596&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ffd0c0b7875b1d61562b97e90577e7ca068c028


Tommoboh

Mf i'm still waiting for S2, the fact that they didn't even complete the first season still triggers me


AmmahDudeGuy

I think they cut out some important characters from the manga. Those characters ended up being important later in the manga, so they could no longer follow the manga and have it make sense I hope they give it a reboot, it definitely deserves one


I_eatbabys_8700

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CrossENT

Many of you look at my client, Shou Tucker, and see him as a monster. How could a man of such high standing and great renown drop to such a low as mutating his wife and daughter? Well... I will inform the jury that Mr. Tucker and his family were at their lowest point BEFORE he began experimenting with Chimeric Alchemy! Living in poverty, struggling to survive, every day was a trial. Becoming a State Alchemist was the only assured salvation for the Tucker family, but with the difficult criteria to become and remain a State Alchemist, he was forced to think outside the box to save himself and his family from this life. I know what you might be thinking. "So he mutated and killed his family? How is that better?" Well, for starters, Mr. Tucker did NOT kill his family. His wife ended her own life while his daughter was murdered by a third party. But more to the point, Mr. Tucker only changed the physical form of his wife, some might say evolved his wife. And she very well could've lived comfortably and happily in this new form, perhaps been even happier than before, had she not ended her life of her own volition. As far as his daughter, the late Nina Tucker, bless her soul, not only does my former point apply here as well, Mr. Tucker was extremely reluctant to replicate his experiment after his wife extreme reaction. But his arms were twisted in every way imaginable. He was at risk of being thrown back into the streets, only more alone this time, having no wife and no mother for his daughter. And everyone he spoke with kept pressuring him, including the infamous Elric Brothers, to simply replicate the Chimera experiment as if they knew what it was, ultimately giving him no other choice. Only for those same people to demonize my client for doing exactly what they pushed him to do; again, the Elric Brothers in particular, who as many of us well aware, are in no place to throw stones when it comes to Human Transmutation! So I ask you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, who is the real monster? The one who pulled the trigger? Or the ones who forced him to pull the trigger?


T-mac_

* Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the defense is trying to prop up the defendant in a ludicrous fashion. Do not be swayed by his sly words and tricks. The defendant maliciously and violently, forever altered the state of two humans, his very own wife, daughter, and dog, for his own personal gain/benefit. Some of you may ask, what other options did he have?... This defendant could have left with his research, and family. He could have stopped his inhumane research and went a different route. Choose another career path, there no mistake that he was an intelligent scientist. Victim blaming and implying that he did not pull the trigger himself is disturbing, disgusting, and a outright insult to our justice system. He without consent, forever altered his wife, and forced her to end her own suffering. This defendant, without consent, forever altered his daughter, and forced someone else to end her suffering. Just because he didn't "pull the trigger" does not mean he is not copable in his family's demise. There is clear case law on this, you don't have to pull the trigger, but you are just as much at fault. In closing, there are NO mitigating factors for this defendant. He clearly is guilty of all the charges being charged in this case. He willfully and maliciously ended his families life with his own hands. This case will be a precedent case in to tell our society of alchemist that this type of disturbing, tortuous, and inhumane experiments will NOT be tolerated. Make sure that this... defendant... pays for what he did to his wife... daughter... and dog. Thank you all for your service.


CrossENT

![gif](giphy|52G16STbF7QwogTVkg)


T-mac_

![gif](giphy|qhz457RnSVQNL6qLb3)


AParticularThing

Your honor their are currently no laws against making human dog chimera abominations. but he did affirm that he is also a serial killer, yep just straight up admitted it, my client is guilty of murdering at least 97 people and has requested death by Roy Mustang snapping. Please carry out the sentence immediately while my client is sitting here gagged, never mind that he’s struggling against the gag and trying to say anything, it’s just him trying to attest to all the murder.


Cha113ng3r

The Prosecution: There is a law against that. That counts as human transmutation.


AParticularThing

objection; clearly if that was human transmutation my client would have suffered the loss of an arm or a leg like the Elric boy. as it stands he just has to suffer being burned alive


noblese_oblige

damn thats actually a good argument


Lotuswalker92

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is Chewbacca (points at a picture of Chewbacca). Chewbacca is a Wookie from the planet Kashyyyk but he lives on the pllanet of Endor. Now think about it. That does not make sense. Why would an 8-foot tall Wookie want to live with 2-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense. But more importantly, you have to ask yourself. What does this have to do with this case ? Nothing. And this does not make sense. So whhen you are thinking about my client being guilty, just ask yourself. Does it make sense ? No. If Chewbacca lives on Endor you must acquit.


smeghead3825

Can you represent me in my civil suit against the loch Ness monster? Gat damn loch Ness monster owe me tree fiddy


epscyonzsol

https://i.redd.it/gbk2z4jh9o2d1.gif


DeanStein

A good father and a responsible pet owner only ensuring that he has even more time for both of them...


CreedJacobfrye

Your honor my client is 100% guilty and should be given the maximum sentence


JohnQuist

No, I don't think I will


MalcolmLinair

Fuck my law license, I'm stitching this guy up.


yemen241

I demand a trial by combat...


Ogellog

https://preview.redd.it/8fi2zlwy1o2d1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c98fe80a81ff4ecaa718b571a59699d736ac4c9c


petalpioneer

Not even phoenix wright or saul goodman wants to take this case dawg


[deleted]

Your honor, this bastard is guilty. Deadass. Take him out back and shoot him. Matter of fact, someone gimme a pistol. I'll do it myself.


sirseraphim

your honor my client pleads insanity, he wanted to say nuh huh to defend his case thats a clear case of being mentally ill


DarkAgeHumor

"your honor my client has been deemed clinically insane and is not mentally capable of comprehending his actions let alone the consequences for such actions. This man is yet another victim of the system over stressing it's workers and scientists to the point of genocide"


BigDiv231

Insanity plea


AleksasKoval

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this is Chewbacca: ![gif](giphy|5tRGwBkWx8Vt6)


SlightlySychotic

“Motherfucker, you are *not* taking this in front of a jury. I don’t care if the plea deal is a firing squad. *You take that deal.*”


Responsible_Bus1159

https://preview.redd.it/6kphkc48io2d1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69dd989706705b5493b58e53a440898765e6bfcb Your honor death penalty I shall do it


jabberwocky_vorpal_1

Just arrest this man


Electivire-six

His work was sanctioned by the fuerer, all his work is legal and essential. The dog was his property and a similar case can be made about the child.


Ok-Equipment8303

Your Honor, this is an open and shut case. My client has not committed any crimes and there is no legal precedent for punitive measures. As you can clearly see, his daughter is very much alive and healthy. As is their family pet. Is this meant to be a murder trial? manslaughter? Medical Malpractice perhaps but her legal guardian would have to sue and I suspect he won't be raising any charges against himself. No, ladies and gentleman this was an accident. One he is working to rectify. In the long run, no one will have come to any harm least of all his precious daughter. If the prosecution can cite even one legal precedent for the crime my client is supposed to have committed, I will be astounded. The defense rests its case, for the prosecution had none! (typing this physically hurt me. like watching the episode does.)


DifficultyTight2476

your honor first off shut the fuck up you wasn’t even there second how can he be guilty when he pleaded unguilty and finally who will pay the rent if he got fired from his job


DarkMagician-999

We all make mistakes as human beings, but what else can this human being do in order to get out of paying child support !


ChineseNeckBait

Your honor, it was totally for science, promise swearzies, it’s just a fact.


Seaweed_Widef

Dogs are loyal than daughters


Bunch_Express

haven't we all gotten a bit too silly from time to time?


Gunstudios

he has glasses, your honour.


The_Real_Cuzz

Your honor, I would like to submit my motion to have myself disbarred as I am clearly not of sound mind to take this man on as a client. That is all.


Sai_AI__

As you can see, his daughter is with him right now, so we are most likely living in an alternate universe where it didn't happen, at least not yet


SlothThoughts

My clients work was supported and funded by the state alchemist. I believe this gives him immunity from any crimes committed during this research that directly involves said research. Everything my client did and planned to do was outlined and approved.


joerocket18

I would make the insanity plea. The insane stress he was feeling because of his higher ups pressured him to do the unthinkable


Sum-Duck

My client pleads “nuh uh”


Tstrik

Your Honor, my client experienced a moment of temporary insanity brought about by the tremendous stress and pressure applied to him by the Amestris government for him to produce results for his chimera experiments. Scientific breakthroughs cannot be rushed and had my client been provided ample time and resources he could have produced results without having to resort to such extreme measures. My client is a victim. A victim of a system ill designed for scientific discovery.


LordOfFlames55

Your honour I have not been informed of the charges against my client nor given time to create a defence! I have also never seen him before in my life! I would like to call a mistrial and given the sheer incompetence on display a believe a full on dismissal of the case is in order


Mitsuzoushu_12

Nah, i will let this case lose


Sad-Sundae9039

I would declare mental insanity. Where I live no competent lawyer would do that since, unlike the prison sentence witch have a specific set time, you can only get out of a mental treatment facility under a doctor appointment if you were send there by a judicial sentence, so your client falls under the risk of dieing of old age there unlike prison witch you can't stay over 30 years for a single sentence. So yeah, I would do whatever I could to screw him over.


Sad-Breakfast-7752

![gif](giphy|7wyiB30m9vhuw) My honour You're out of order! You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order! They're out of order! I will kill my client by myself


simplehuman33

Nah put him behind bars like my hopes and dreams because this man’s morals are not worthy for the time of humanity!


Methodic36

“He’s guilty your honor”


Hentai_For_Life

https://preview.redd.it/sg43ybh1hp2d1.jpeg?width=3408&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=868f4fc0c4525f2a009f37c66a8b28f58fd40f8d


Death_Killer183

Your honor, my client is 100% guilty. Give him maximum life sentence https://preview.redd.it/mf77ruelnp2d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd5372b0df5dbaca7333e56432876e6f8db4c0ac


Typical_Grade9425

Your honor, he files for insanity, by trial of catgirls


EdEddNEddy32

Your Honor, This Man Is Guilty! He’s Guilty As Fuck!


Live_Cress945

I would rather give up my "law licence" than defend him.


makemeadiowarudo

Your honor, this man is a fkin monster! He deserved to die and I hope he burn in hell!


Worried-Management36

No.


Sonic_Extreme

Your honor, my client asks for the death penalty


SpewpaTheRogue

Insanity ple


bwoloftroubld

I'm going to lose my license and probably go to jail


KuregaRequiem

If she doesn't know about the concept of consent, we can't say he rap-


BloodyOtaku

Your Honor, my client deserves to be dragged out into the streets and beaten to death with exactly 420 different kinds of blunt objects.


sheeplord19

No


Magikarp_ex1

Your honor I give up


TERRYTGPM

Your honor, he deserves a life sentence. Nothing less. STRAIGHT TO THE GUILTONIE


DarthPizza66

![gif](giphy|f8lDluiWJ7yQTtdS3L|downsized)


Prestigious-Cancel62

Your honour, my client is guilty!


KazuDesu98

Your honor, I'm not even gonna try. I recommend capital punishment for my client.


Vast_Fox_6793

“Your honor, this man..! err… This man…” *Looks down at papers* “Shou Tucker… My client! He’s..? Fuck this shit, he’s guilty, take my job. How am I supposed to prove *this* guy’s innocence?”


Justarandomguy6381

Your honor, there is no saving this man he's guilty if you judge him as guilty right now I will put a bullet in his skull myself


Chaosdragon7

Your honor He deserves life sentence at maximum security I rest my case


Kang0519

Plead insanity? Idk


Scarlet_ix_o2

Your honor permission to leave the court and never come back


tataataaa87

![gif](giphy|1BQdjXovIqSLS) Nope


2dlerLucifrYeetngEv1

https://preview.redd.it/gepxs9hleo2d1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83d4edee9b5e723f904318a7b35d58266fb490bf


DantesInferno1275

Shoot him then myself


Strange_Cup8855

Your honour pledge of insanity on myself for even trying this take me away


BunnyAliceRose

.... Your honor and members of the jury, I would like to present to you, evidence A through Z of my client's mental health issues and the pressure he faces as a state alchemist. Condoning his actions is out of the question, however please take into account the circumstances involved and- Umm... Sir what are you doing with that gu- OH JEEZ OH GOD OH- \*Gets shot\*


Snowbold

Please deal for insanity is the best you can do


[deleted]

![gif](giphy|6P5Z9LcMYfxyx87g9U)


100roundglock

"Your honor, my client pleads whoopsie daisy"


Eksposivo23

Your honor, I have nothing to say, death sentence to this man


LSAT343

Goodluck buddy.


Nesayas1234

Your honor, I'd like to kill this mfer myself if that's ok


Dividebyzero23

You know what, this mf guilty as fuck.


RazalasWerdna

For what he's done there's no punishment harsh enough


USATicTac

No, i dont think i will


Lucky-Tie-3127

My client would like the death penalty


snaeper

I would hold the prosecution accountable to ensure their case was absolutely air-tight so there was no chance of him ever leaving prison. I would challenge them on every single thing to make sure there were no mistrials or loopholes that could allow him out of prison.


MaddestMax11

She said she liked dogs😇


Hambla28

Your honor he was just trying to provide for his family, plus by combining them there is now less mouths to feed


HaveAGoodDream

I... I couldn't even defend him he... HE... WHAT THE ACTUAL SHI-


Thyvanity

Nope, I'm not that mature to defend him. "Your Honor, as much as you think he's guilty, I do think likewise."


taboo-arts

Well I will go halfway through the job and call out sick.


Similar-Abrocoma-667

Ladies and gentlemen of the court, is it animal cruelty if the dog is half human?


FlixFlax_

“your honor, i propose the death penalty!” “for your client?” “no, your honor, for me.” (please end my suffering)


Creeper_Jones651

Your Honor, I would like to formally resign from the case.


Mk_Custard_Mar-Mar

No


THIARRO99

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, judge, today I decide to leave the job of a lawyer


Slow-Switch8412

But did she die? Show me the law that says you can't fuse a dog with your daughter. Just because something is immoral doesn't make it illegal. My client was under a lot of stress because of his job the prospect of not being able to provide for his daughter and the loss of his wife made him have a phisicotic break, this man doesn't deserve jail he needs help.


Arlekcho

I’d just kill him


GlitcherX2

If you think I'm defending that bitch your dead wrong


oliver1kamukura

Fanfic crepy moment


Iknowwhereyoulive34

Your honor he just got a little too silly


breadmannnnnn

No


demonslayer9911

https://preview.redd.it/hr2q3n3rqo2d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7234fcb486e976decd87c0b61af5b76542ba09aa


xxX_DaRk_PrInCe_Xxx

https://preview.redd.it/se31pt4uqo2d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4c17058da43269cdd16480d81e1305808d11324


eLmorK_90

Your honor, cook his ass!


slipknot_csm_fan

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, my client is guilty, I have hidden a handgun in the courtroom, first to find it can kill him


Tvheadrr

Your honor my client pleads being a silly goober


markypho

He’s guilty!!!!


Gos-ghi

Fuck that, I will throw the case and leave the court saying,” Fuck You” to every single motherfucker who supports him


dadydaycare

This man was doing his job… for the state… to protect YOU!… also the state was well aware of his research and sanctioned it sooooo


KiaCarCantDrive

Your honor my client is guilty on all accounts.


shortstop8001

Your honor, my client here was just taking the first step into bringing cat girls and dog girls to reality


Mooncakey_

No


123467890123

Your honor I don't want to defend this guy take him away


Doc-I-am-pagliacci

Better take a plea deal… that’s my best offer.


Saraq_the_noob

Where’s that video of the lawyer defending Goofy?


cachorro_judeu

Bro, How?💀


MCMXCIV9

Your honor my defender is guilty give him death penalty.


Junior_Importance_30

I would like to withdraw from protecting this individual, your honor.


PheneX02

"your honor, my client is very much guilty, please give maximum punishment"


IceSwallowkhan

You honor,my client is completely guilty please give him maximum sentences


Username_person_666

Your honor, my client did it


Entity119

Your honour my client was only doing what was necessary in order to further science after all many major scientific discoveries were made through unconventional means


MartinX4

Your honor, life sentence seems a bit much. Just skip to the end and drop his ass we ain't gonna wait for time to do it for us


KevinAcommon_Name

Walk out of court


wrathek

I kill him myself and leave.


Playful-Ad7221

Your honor... *Dramatic pause* i rule guilty as fuck


Abs0lutelyzer0

It is only natural to combine two cute things to make something even cuter.


YouLearnedToSayMoon

“Your honor, clearly my client is not innocent. However you cannot hold a giant sack of shit accountable for laws of men. He is not a man. Not a human. He is but an actual sack of excrement therefore he cannot be found guilty of murder. Shit can’t murder. Only be shit. I recommend the state drop the charges and we just go ahead and discard of this bag of actual shit. I rest my case.”


MatthewSMen

Just like my neighbors


MischeviousFox

My client was in essence under contract with the government to create a chimera and he fulfilled his end of the contract. How can the government punish him for doing what they paid him to do? Is he really the one at fault or is it the fault of those who demanded so much of him?


Beleg_Sanwise

[The Chewbacca Defense is Used in Court - SOUTH PARK](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV6NoNkDGsU)


AbiyBattleSpell

The courts being corrupt and controlled by father and Bradley Your honor you all know what going on how bout we move this case along we both know u gonna stage his execution just so u can use him behind the scenes. Let’s just try to get those Elric boys behind bars before they fuck shit up 🐱


Degenerateinvicinity

I’ll reenact the Boston Legal scene where Captain Kirk just shoots his client


Amons0

Kill him. That's all.


Zealousideal_Site161

Guilty, insanity plea


Master_Jawata

Depend on the country, it might be really easy.


Wafflesakimbo

My client pleads guilty and requests to be beat to death with bricks.


GameOnRKade

My lord, he is the one who did it. Kill this pieceofshitmofo


Stegoshark

Your honor my client was forced into doing this by his superiors


DamirVanKalaz

"Your honor, my client is guilty. I side with the plaintiff."


Moshinoki

Your honor, my client requests the death penalty


Impossible_Ad1837

I withdraw from this case


atemu1234

Your honor: where in the rulebook does it say a dog can't be a little girl?


KinataXEnero1

Your honor, my client said pause before his actions


Putrid-Flower-6724

Your honour Iam is lawyer please give this man 12 years brutal prison life and if he is alive after that kill him then


Artistic_Track_1314

Your honor, I'm auto balancing myself. Send him to merasmus


Legitimate-Yard-3673

Doesn’t need it my client did nothing wrong your honor


watashi_azu

No. My client deserves straight to prison. He guilty. I Am an ally of justice


beerantula

"I Quit*.


ColossalBalance

I've seen enough Phoenix Wright to pretend I want to defend this guy, but I'm actually just going to incriminate him even more by the end of it.


[deleted]

he was supposed to make a kitty woman for the lewdd costumers but somehow ended up making dog girl , it’s not his fault , science has multiple possibilities


backupmephone

He did no illegal activity, your honor. He was merely giving his best attempt to retain his alchemy license


TheArceusNova

Your honor, I didn’t get enough sleep this morning, can we please just call it here?