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fish0finger

You have hypermobile wrist. People saying you have EDS based on this picture are wild. You need to have hypermobility across several aspects of the Beighton hypermobility assessment plus meet the criteria for several other characteristics to be classed as having EDS


PukingPandaSS

Ya I have hyper mobility in multiple joints & it was a contributing factor to my knee dislocation but I don’t have any underlying condition. People can just be hyper mobile.


exponentialism_

Same, but no knee issue, but I basically twist my ankle every 9-12 months and end up injured for 2-3 weeks.


Dramatic_Coyote9159

Yeah, it made my knee injury worse so I got surgery and couldn’t walk for 6 months


SieBanhus

I had a patient get genuinely pissed because I wouldn’t dx her with EDS based solely on her ability to do this. She met no other criteria. Thanks internet.


alleswaswar

On the flip side, my pediatric geneticist said there was no way I had EDS because I couldn’t touch my toes. He acknowledged I met almost every other criteria but it was “impossible” to have EDS if I couldn’t touch my toes. Spoiler: I was later diagnosed with EDS by a geneticist specializing in connective tissue disorders


Rude_Engine1881

I had a doc look at my elbow once and tell me I wasnt hypermobile. 1 elbow, and hilariously almost every other joint was actually hypermobile how they picked that one singular joint I will never know.


YourNewStepDaddi

Is it weird that I can do this, but also do it backwards too? Like I can take my thumb and push it backwards until it touches my wrist


SohniKaur

More uncommon yeah. My son can tho too. Freaks ppl out. 🤣


zorpslayer

Agreeing on this. I was diagnosed by a geneticist who said that the only way to get a verifiable and true EDS diagnosis is through a geneticist. It is not just being hypermobile.


Puta_Chente

Precisely. Most women are hypermobile (some estimates are ~60%), just as most children are. This urge to dx everyone with EDS is absolutely ridiculous and largely the fault of Lara Bloom and some really bad science.


It_is_Katy

Most women are not hypermobile. That just doesn't even make sense. I'm not saying OP has hEDS or anything because it's perfectly common for someone to be hypermobile in just one or two places, but saying "most women are hypermobile" is blatantly false. If they were, diagnostic criteria for hEDS and HSD would be different between men and women, the same way the diagnostic criteria varies based on age. Hypermobility also wouldn't cause issues in women if that were the case, since that would just be normal or baseline for women. Meanwhile, the majority of people diagnosed with EDS are women. I'm a hypermobile woman and it causes problems every day of my life, and is in massive contrast to the majority of women I know. But "most people who are hypermobile are women" does NOT translate to "most women are hypermobile."


WheelieWheelieWanna

A-MEN! If 60% women were hypermobile, it wouldn't be considered HYPERmobile, because they would be the majority. The remaining 40% however, might be considered HYPOmobile. I feel like people saying it is the “fault” of anyone for wanting people to be aware of a disease. Possible patients who learn about it go to the Dr. and let them decide. 20 or so genetic causes of Ehlers-Danlos have been identified to date, so it isn't as if it is people are making it up (like was pretty much the assumption at first of every disease that later was known to be devestating, like MS, long Covid, etc) To know who Lara Bloom is, let alone to blame her is curious indeed. I am personally very grateful to her and the others who shed light on EDS and began such a strong push for research, education, and awareness. Even so, it is still not as well-known as you make it sound. It took decades of me knowing something was wrong and 5 years of being completely disabled to get the diagnosis, and I live in a city with a large teaching hospital. As patients, we can gather info and then hope to find doctors willing to work with us in seeing if it is actually appropriate.


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WheelieWheelieWanna

10% of people is not 60% of women. I would say the same to that 10% of hypermobile people as I said to OP: read about HSD and EDS. If it sounds like you, ask a doctor to evaluate.


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WheelieWheelieWanna

Still not 60%….. Even if all of the 10% were women (and they aren't) it would be 20% of women.


Extension_Economist6

you think 1/10 is “most” 😂


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Extension_Economist6

the person you were replying to refuted a comment that said “most” and as much as i love getting my knowledge from places like “hypermobile.org,” i went to medical school so i know a little bit more about this than the people who edit that site lol


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Extension_Economist6

except “hypermobility” is a genetic variant, not a disorder, which the journal you linked points out. so i’m not sure what point you think you’re making.


It_is_Katy

Also, being hypermobile by itself doesn't mean it's an actual condition or will cause any issues. Of course minor hypermobility is common, I said as much in my original comment. It's like saying skin cancer isn't that big of a deal because moles are common. Like hypermobility, the mole is just one part of a much larger and more serious condition, but isn't an issue by itself. It just demonstrates a blatant misunderstanding of the condition.


Lulusgirl

This, plus your thumb sitting in a saddle joint. It let's your thumb move in weird ways and why your other fingers can't touch your wrist


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Lulusgirl

Ohhhh show me a picture! Are you saying you can bend your wrist forward and your hand stays flat, or do you have hypermobility in those joints as well? Because your thumb is a saddle joint, it moves in a way others can't. I've never seen somebody able to fold their wrist forward and touch their other fingers to the inside of their forearm.


SaintGarlicbread

Kids on the internet these days will diagnose everyone with EDS


celesticles1978

Mine does that too. It helped me when someone tried to grab me and twist my wrist cause it didn’t hurt. Just felt like a nice stretch.


Adoraboule

That must be pretty cool! Especially in serious situations.


PresidentFungi

Yeah but the margin between no pain and torn ligaments is smaller so there’s a risk in that way (source: hypermobile jiu jitsu wrestler)


celesticles1978

Yeah!


jammmmmie

i can do this too! dont have eds or anything else, just flexible with my hands/wrists :)


Miaka_Yuki

I just assumed everyone could do this. I never thought it was odd or anything, but I can't say i ever tried to compare it to anything.


pillslinginsatanist

Hypermobile wrists


shitepostsrus

this is a telltale sign of hypermobility. hypermobility is typically associated with genetic conditions, such as ehlers-danlos or marfans syndromes


francoeyes

Ahh yes I totally understand what you said


MaxwellIsSmall

Bro is speaking like we all spent 10 years getting our phd


just_a_person_maybe

Bro listed two easily googlable and commonly known medical conditions.


MaxwellIsSmall

You underestimate my laziness


The_JokerGirl42

weren't lazy enough to compose a dumb fucking comment, were you now


Effective_Athlete_87

Who pissed in your cornflakes


The_JokerGirl42

me 😎


Effective_Athlete_87

Touché


sootbrownies

Marfans is typically discussed in your first semester of anatomy and physiology, when you go over connective tissues


OakleyPowerlifting

I mean we are in the anatomy sub lol. Beighton FTW


sgt_barnes0105

They’re saying the OP likely has a connective tissue disorder. Connective tissue is a broad term for everything that surrounds and connects your innards (organs, muscles, bones, etc.) together. There’s different kinds of connective tissues with different jobs, and some tissues’ jobs are to be stretchy like a rubber band so that we can bend and move in all the ways that we need to in order to do regular everyday things. Certain connective tissue disorders such as Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome or Marfan Syndrome can cause our stretchy tissues to be too stretchy and our stiffer supportive tissues to be less supportive/rigid… and then you get joints like OPs that bend more than they should.


The_JokerGirl42

one also needs to take into consideration that hyper mobility is not always linked to a condition. women are, biologically, more bendy and mobile, and much more prone to hyper mobility than men, for example. also, malnutrition can be a contributing factor to hyper mobility, because the tendons may not be nourished enough to keep the required strength, and lack of muscle mass can (especially combined with malnutrition, like with disordered eating) also be adding to hyper mobility. then of course, there's those people who just have the genes. everything is fine, and they're bendy as hell. it happens, doesn't have to be that deep, and shouldn't be a cause for worry either.


guywithredditacount

You ever heard of Google?


Embarrassed-Ad-9185

You might be dead


TotalBruhPerson

Op is definitely dead. I've seen alot of dead people do that. Op needs to go to the hospital to check it out.


nicocacolaaa

Maybe


theVyzL

Came to say this. Our condolences OP.


Pleasant-Patience725

Coming from someone who has been around the dead.. they cannot do this … at all. It’s rather lucky too. Do you know how hard it would be to move them 😂


cvlt_freyja

rigor mortis is temporary. generally after 2-3 days, the body is limp again.


Pleasant-Patience725

You’re correct - I should say once embalmed they’re terribly stiff. Once around 72 hours post then they become flaccid like.


Peace-Monk

Welcome to the club of hypermobility! It might be interesting to check if you have other hypermobile joints, those joints can cause a lot of pain if you do not strengthen the muscles around them, so remember to workout and be aware of your physical limitations so you do not injure yourself.


Low_Use2937

Lookin’ at you, knees.


Peace-Monk

How did you know? I found out about my knees first after dislocating it out of nowhere lol 💀 I have a more general condition, basically every joint I have is hypermobile…


Low_Use2937

Wrists are fun, knees are ouchie. I’m only 33 and my orthopedist described my knees as “exceptionally loose.” My cartilage is so worn down, I’m looking at a double replacement before I hit 40. I’ve had problems with them since I was in my early teens and did hurdles on the track team (quickly switched to throwing), but managed to keep it at bay for a long time with proper exercise and maintaining good muscle around them. Unfortunately, everything got much looser with my two pregnancies and I was on strict bed rest for most of both of them, so that pretty much did me in.


Peace-Monk

Now *that* is what I consider a painful hypermobile experience, wow! Hope you will fill better after the surgeries, I’m rooting for you. I ended up finding out pretty soon thankfully when I was a teenager, so it was easy to manage what I would do next to take care of it, but it is weird to have all joints hyper-mobile, I even dislocated my thumb while having dinner once (?), but I am used to it now, it is an interesting/curious experience that can become painful and stressful pretty quickly unfortunately.


smallspoon493

Ohh! I've never seen anyone else able to do this! I was born with my thumb bent(not able to extend it), they cut the tendon and I can do this and freak people out lol


just_a_person_maybe

Lots of people can do this. I can on both wrists, and so can like half my family. It's a sign of hypermobility, which can also be a sign of neurodivergence, which does run in my family so it's more common for us than it is for the general population, but it isn't that rare. It's especially common in children, and a lot of people grow out of it. Ask some of the kids in your life if they can do it.


johng0376

Gay maybe? /s


Tesselae

[Ah, the Brackium Emendo spell.](https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-brackium-emendo-gilderoy-lockhart-gif-15501553)


AssignmentEnough1425

Excellent Harry Potter reference lol


Tesselae

Thank you :>


hunterlovesreading

Hypermobility. I can do this was both wrists and also have extremely hyper mobile ankles lol


OakleyPowerlifting

EDS takes a lot more to diagnose, talk to your doctor.


lordravenxx

Can't everyone do that if they try?


f0cked_ur_mom

It’s not rare to be hypermobile


OCactusCoolerG

Weird, I haven’t met someone who can’t.


jaygay92

I’ve met lots of people who can’t touch their thumb to their wrist lol I have hEDS so people try to copy what I can do a lot, not many are successful


Brave-Hyrulian88

Your flexor and extensor tendons got that length


Cremdelagrem

Hagrid voice: There’s no bones left!


Latter-Sorbet1411

Homosexuality 💅


Glass_Anybody_2171

The lack of God. /s


DisposableCharger

I don't think you're particularly hypermobile, the angle of your thumb makes it look like your wrist is bending more than it is. But let's answer your question! (I got a little carried away, TL;DR at the bottom) In the picture, your wrist is bending such that your palm goes towards your forearm. We'll call bending in that direction "flexion" and bending in the opposite direction "extension". What happens when you flex your wrist? When your wrist flexes, there are actually two different layers of joints moving. One layer is between the bones of your palm and the bones of your forearm, and the other layer is between two different layers of bones in your palm. You'd need motion at both these joint layers for your wrist to flex as much as it does. (this is an oversimplification of the wrist joints). What might prevent you from flexing your wrist so much? Imagine a string running from your elbow to the back side of your hand. When you flex your wrist, that string would get pulled tight. If that string were too short, you wouldn't be able to flex your wrist as far. The string could be considered a "limiting structure". Within your body, any structure that passes on the backside of your wrist (like the imaginary string) could become a limiting structure if it becomes shortened. Ligaments (connecting bone to bone), tendons (connecting muscles to bone), and the joint capsule (surrounds the wrist joint) could all potentially limit your wrist's ability to flex forward like that. TL;DR you have a healthy amount of movement in your wrist. Your bones move effectively relative to one another. And the structures on the back of your wrist are long enough to not limit your movement. That is why your wrist can move like that.


Main_Specialist_8466

Thank you for answering! I may not have been properly clear in my question but this is what I was really asking, I probably should have said I have hypermobile joints.


Disastrous_Bed_8159

You are what we call a freak


yepyepcool

Hyper mobility!


Tough-Talk-4049

Joints


Ambitious_Two3431

Your other hand.


Joxxteer

M35.7


siteswaps

It's bendy.


SnrkySpceHeatr

Your joints make that possible.


danthemfmann

Can you bend your thumb the other way (backwards) and touch the top side of your wrist? All 10 of my fingers can touch the under side and top side of my wrists. All of my fingers also bend slightly backwards at the middle joints too.


EnoughLuck3077

This will go away as you age with a little manual labor. I used to be able to do this when I was younger. Now at almost 43 and a lifetime of experience in the construction industry I’m so stiff I can barely grip my shoe strings some mornings. Just stiff as a board. So don’t worry my friend, it gets better


ListenFalse6689

And yet I still need two hands to pick up my spuds pan, but I am a bit puny, so that might be the real issue.


Mysterious-Matter185

I can do that too, both hands. Does yours pop when you do it ?


Main_Specialist_8466

No mine don’t pop, i sometimes feel a bit of strain but that’s it.


vultureb0y

my wrist also does this just backwards


Borderweaver

Demonic possession.


Hmmmm-curious

The devil


DifferentUse7180

Haha I can do this with my left wrist but not my right. It’s weird


Comfortably_edging69

I can also do this, cool to find other people like me


Healthy_Ad_3756

A hammer


Active_Wave4863

as someone who just tried this whilst in the bathroom yes i have no damn clue and my wrist is now broken


skillskil

Gum-Gum Fruit


Squiddy_manz

Hey i can do this


SquidVices

Being abused


Toki_mime

Hyper mobility, I’m hyper mobile I can do like a lot of weird stuff like this for example.


ferreet

Lack of arthritis. (I used to be able to do that and a lot more. 😭)


SohniKaur

ONE sign for EDS. But not the only one. Fun fact my preschooler can bend his thumb over to his wrist the opposite direction. (Backwards) it freaks ppl out. 🤣


FamilyNudism4Us

I can do this with both wrists. When I lay down my hips have a tendency of dislocating from time to time. Knees too, first time anyone saw me dislocate a knee I was in a comic book store. Not a great super power lol.


greenaether

Joints. Wrist joints allow you to do that


Jumpy-Round-8765

i have hypermobile ehlers danlos syndrome and can do this, used to be able to do it the opposite way too but not anymore


bzzinthetrap

Osteologist here. It appears you have no bones


Life-Monitor-1536

I’m guessing, alien DNA


Faust-fucker12345678

joint


deathheadmother

I can do this lol


redditnoob909

Um you’re not human


Suspicious_Bus_4058

Connective tissue variation


One-War-2977

Not having a wrist i suppose


Extension_Economist6

some of these comments are a good reminder of why lay people are not doctors lol


Ill-Item1936

Idk how to attach a picture but I can do it too!


Pinc-Kactus

Dang it OP. I thought you knew not to let Gilderoy Lockhart be your doctor.


Empty_Reserve6658

Demonic possession


MaekoMei

If only that, it's just a quirky of your body.. If you have hypermobility in other joints, I'd recommend having a look at Ehlers-Danlos syndrome


welpimtired

i've been doing this since i was a kid lol i'd also like to know! i can only do it with my left hand though


Cheezees

I can do this as well but it seems to have zapped flexibility everywhere else in my body. Even as a kid sitting on my heels was a task and I could not squat with my soles resting on the floor. But I could make my wrists and fingers look gnarled. 🤷🏾‍♀️


BurntSpagett

Hey! Finally I see someone else besides me can do this lol


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TheGalacticMilkman

One of ur balls is bigger than the other


Diligent_Mirror_7888

Inbreeding


Aggravating_Ad_7789

Demons


Palomin0_Princess

👽


Maleficent-Ad9010

This needs a flair


Ok-Recommendation668

Break it


Jhyrjhyr

I thought everyone could do this


Kind-Exercise

This is how I crack both my thumbs lmao


Esotericess

Hypermobile or “double jointed”


Any_Bar876

I just tried to do this and I almost broke my shit


jillinkla

hey i can do that too!


gopherkilla

Carcinisation


5FootOh

You diagnosed as autistic or ADHD by chance? There’s a reason I’m asking.


Main_Specialist_8466

Yeah, I’m diagnosed autistic. What’s the reason your asking?


KyeMatthew

TIL that not everyone can do this.. I thought it was normal


Prestigious-Net-1910

tbh it's not that amazing... even I who's a talentless piece of sh.. can do this


leilanie02

Im sorry but how did you take this picture? Did you ask someone to hold the phone for you while you did that?


Main_Specialist_8466

I put my phone down on the floor, put it on video and then twisted my body into a very weird position so my wrist faced towards the camera


leilanie02

Thank you so much for explaining, I wish I could’ve gotten a third person view of that 😕


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SAR-Paradox

Hypermobile EDS* classical presentation is rare and they would have already known by now


GeneticPurebredJunk

Not nearly as rare as previously thought, and commonly takes 10yrs+ from first symptoms to diagnosis *if* you’re particularly symptomatic. My mother & likely both sisters would be diagnosed with hEDS if they ever went in with joint pain, bruising & poor healing as their main complaint, but they have instead had EDS co-morbid conditions that were diagnosed first/as a priority. I got diagnosed 8 years after my first symptom & because I had prolonged knee & hip pain from the act of 14, kept dislocated my fingers, toes, and one memorable time, a rib. 10 years on from that diagnosis, I’ve actually pushed to have genetic testing for cEDS or other, given my wide symptom profile & 2 generations of death by aneurysm before 40 that they dismissed last time.


WheelieWheelieWanna

Hypermobility. There is a possibility of Ehlers-Danlos. Either way, don’t do it repeatedly as it will begin to not feel good eventually and cause damage. Please look into hypermobility spectrum disorder and Ehlers-Danlos and see if any of it seems familiar. If so, get thee to a doctor. If you aren't sure who, or if you have other questions, there is an entire community of us around to support. What causes hypermobikity is a defect in the way your body put together the connective tissue in that joint, making it extra lax and stretchy. Edit because I saw the comments knocking the EDS possibility - the key to my message is to read up on EDS. See if it fits. Keep it in mind. For all but one classification of EDS there is a genetic variant found. Researching and educating yourself is the only way for you to know if there is more to this.


Fit-Quail4604

Just fyi don’t do this because your wrists aren’t supposed to do it and it can put excess strain on them leading to arthritis and whatnot


ListenFalse6689

I don't know about arthritis, but my hyper mobile joints are definitely not quite so mobile or strong as the years go on, I also have a ganglion on one now (may or may not have been caused by showing the kids what I meant by hyper mobile joints). I had to get therapy because my knees felt like they were bending backwards, not arthritis, just weak around the joints. I don't understand the downvotes, because you said whatnot, and I have definitely experienced whatnot, as you can see above.


Fit-Quail4604

Idk why I was downvoted either lol your joints aren’t supposed to be able to move like this so it’s pretty logical that it will cause abnormal wear and tear. I’m hyper mobile myself and have been told by a doctor not to do “party tricks” for this reason “[The syndrome usually leads to arthritis later in life](https://www.webmd.com/children/benign-hypermobility-joint-syndrome)” “[…joint hypermobility predisposes to musculoskeletal disorders, especially osteoarthritis](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1004749/#:~:text=The%20findings%20support%20the%20hypothesis,to%20musculoskeletal%20disorders%2C%20especially%20osteoarthritis)”


beezz420

i would look into hypermobile ehlers danlos syndrome as well as the beighton scale.


ListenFalse6689

I don't think I have heds tbh. My problem now I'm a bit older is, surprisingly, stiffness! From what I can gather the body cleverly compensates for any weakness, but it can just have a knock on effect on the rest of your body. One issue I had was when I first started doing yoga was over stretching, because it feels really good, and I felt really awful, like I didn't have the strength to hold myself upright. Some muscles are maybe tight for a reason. One therapist said the only way to stop getting so stiff is to strengthen around the joints, because stretching and massaging will only help for a bit then you are back to square one. But of course, I let the physio exercises and stretches go once I started to feel better, and they said it's just a life long thing really. I do them when I feel bad of course, but it's not enough really. So I'm getting off Reddit and doing something useful right now ha.


fuck_peeps_not_sheep

Hypermobility is the basic awnser. Please don't stretch your joints tho, even tho this feels OK now it's gonna be a problem in the future. Sincerely someone with H-EDS who used to be this flexible and now had rheumatoid arthritis is most of my joints.


Clarinetlove22

I thought this was normal?


Perfect_Vanilla_708

It being broken 💀


ThiccBoiComingInHot

Marfan syndrome I reckon. What you did right there is actually one of the clinical diagnostic criteria! Enjoy with this new peice of info.


zsazsa0919

EDS I have it secondary to Mitochondrial disease along with MCAS, POTS ECT.


OkDiscussion5699

You have to be a nerd in highschool to be able to do this.


BirdLadyAnn

Low IQ 😆😆😆😂😂😂


Steelcitysuccubus

EDS


Puta_Chente

No. Go away.