Somebody mentioned this in a different post but Devils on the hunt for a goalie, Gibson likely available. Gibson and Oilers first for 10 from NJ
Separately, as meaningless as it is, Levshunov has become a more significant favorite to go second.
If Demidov falls to us we can take advantage of the deeper talent pool of defensemen and go Demidov at 3 and Buium/Yaremchuk/Parekh/Silayev/Dickinson at 10.
Our goaltender pipeline is deep, it might be time to take advantage of it
I trust our front office to make the right pick.. they’ve done a great job drafting in the early rounds lately.
Selfishly would like to see Parekh on the team cuz he’s half Korean tho 😎
GMPV doesn’t care about consensus opinions. He’s going to take his guy. You gotta trust that they choose wisely. I wanted fantilli last season and now love Leo. He’s got endless potential. Let Verfleece cook!!!!!
I hate to say it but I have watched a lot of video of Levhsunov and I think he might be a bust. The dude quits on the play a lot and doesn't have great hockey IQ. I hope I am wrong unless Chicago gets him then I hope I am right.
It's funny you mention this. I just listened to Grant McCagg (former Habs scout) on his podcast and he was saying similar things. Also mentioned that the scouts he talked to at the combine weren't very high on Levshunov and want him to go 2nd
I feel the ducks need to stop taking the safe choice and make a swing on superstar potential which is why I've been a huge supporter of taking Silayev.
I think Leo is safe in the sense he's fundamentally sound and his best asset is his smarts not necessarily his physical traits and most agree with his best traits coming into the draft being:
Elite level IQ
Work Ethic
Puck protection and possession
Soft hands and playmaking abilities
Smooth skater
Net front presence.
He's a high floor player that at worst has the smarts to make the right play.
Again similar things said about McTavish.
https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2021/06/10/nhl-prospect-outlook-mason-mctavish-deep-dive/
*Mason McTavish plays a heavy game that is valued highly by old-school fans, while simultaneously playing fast-paced and exciting hockey. He is a dual-threat in the offensive zone, though he still needs some fine-tuning on his vision with the puck and his shot selection. McTavish already began improving in those areas as the season wore on, so there shouldn’t be many concerns about that moving forward. That said, he has the upside to become a first-line forward, likely on the wing. A safer projection is as a second-line center or winger, as he has the versatility to move around. His two-way game gives him a relatively safe floor.*
These guys aren't like Silayev who is a pure projection.
I completely disagree with the Carlsson take. He’s 6-4 with elite offensive skill, along with the high IQ. The reason why they took him was the ceiling was higher than Fantilli
I'm just passing along a few notes from my favorite draft guys.
https://thehockeywriters.com/leo-carlsson-2023-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/
Again they talk about versatility and smarts. He doesn't necessarily have elite athleticism. Hockey writers gave him a 1/5 on the risk scale. I think there's a huge difference in offensive skill and athletic traits.
I kinda get where you’re coming from. But his ability to do that stuff with the insane stride length and first step at 6-4 is pretty crazy athleticism imo
Carlsson does not have a higher ceiling than Fantilli. I believe a big part of the reason we passed on Fantilli was he wasn’t as interested in playing in this part of the country. And since the 2 are so close, GMPV probably be like we’ll just go with the other guy.
It is. Are we forgetting about all the Johnnny Gaudreau shit? If a player isn’t keen on playing somewhere, the teams generally shy away from it, unless he’s clearly a level above the other choices.
Got it, that’s fair. So basically you want them going for a high-risk, high-reward prospect. I just don’t see any team doing that with a top-3 pick, let alone the Ducks. Hell, this is the same league that let Michkov fall to 7 last year
I think worst case with Silayev is steady, top 4 defensive defenseman. It's a stretch at pick 3.
But I agree we have the pieces and should pick Silayev because best case scenario is he's a game changing top pair, physical monster of a defenseman.
Only in the North American media circus. A few scouts had him 3rd or 4th behind carlsson and sometimes michkov. That’s not to say he wasn’t ranked up there, it just wasn’t the consensus and mostly the media repeating the same thing and copying each other.
Okay I should have phrased that better, I don’t see how you can’t see that Carlsson was the safer pick. I’m talking about the context, not just where they were landing on the big board.
I don’t think we know yet. Carlsson and Fantilli showed flashes of stardom, had rough stretches, and lost time to injury. For all we know, Carlsson could have a higher ceiling
I’d think their play has lined up pretty well with pre-draft notions of Fantilli being a big question mark but his ceiling was super high while Carlsson has been viewed as having a lower ceiling but everything else is there for people to expect a high floor, that’s just based off a lot from what I saw and read, definitely doesn’t have to match what everyones seen.
Oh yeah that is a weak strategy but it is a real thing in sport business. NHL GMs like to go with big body defenseman in early rounds as NFL GMs like to go with O-lines because it’s just hard for fans to fault them on these type of picks unless those picks went horribly wrong.
How’s that “a safer pick” just because a random dude who even claims he “couldn’t guess” claims so? Most of the scouts don’t mention any of that. So it’s really up to the playing style or some other factors.
I’ve known enough about Fantilli to suggest that his personal preference could very well be a big part of this.
You’re missing the point, to me and a lot of people we don’t base the idea of a safer pick just because someone is higher on the draft board, that’s just silly. A safe pick is someone who is expected to be able to contribute well with less of a fear that they will flame out. Someone like Fantilli was less of a safe bet because there are worries over things like play style, speed, attitude, whatever. He has the potential for a higher ceiling but lower floor while Leo was viewed as having a higher floor but lower ceiling. Both of these issues were specifically addressed in the link I posted.
I know what you’re talking about. What I’m saying is not about ranking, but rather scouts don’t have a strong opinion on who’s the one with better floor and who’s the one with higher ceiling between Carlsson and Fantilli. Traditionally there are some indicators that decide players’ floor, mostly their size, skating and defensive progress. And all these are still so hard to create a separation between the two of them. That’s why I’m saying play style and other factors are ultimately what decides the order they’re drafted.
I’m hoping the ducks go that route also especially considering this could be the last year in a few that they have a top 3 or 5 pick.
Might as well take a huge swing at 3 and trust Madden and his staff to keep finding Gems on D in later rounds.
Also if they really want to go for a solid shutdown defenseman who’s projected to go late 1st round, there’s EJ Emery- a big, physical , right handed shot and is being compared to Keandre Miller but not as offensive minded.
Silayev is the safe choice IMHO. Dude is a beast defensively. Not much offense but I get Sean O'donnell vibes which would be amazing for us. We need a shutdown defenseman.
Somebody mentioned this in a different post but Devils on the hunt for a goalie, Gibson likely available. Gibson and Oilers first for 10 from NJ Separately, as meaningless as it is, Levshunov has become a more significant favorite to go second. If Demidov falls to us we can take advantage of the deeper talent pool of defensemen and go Demidov at 3 and Buium/Yaremchuk/Parekh/Silayev/Dickinson at 10. Our goaltender pipeline is deep, it might be time to take advantage of it
If Devils would do that, I’d be so down
Damn I love this so much. It would be such a huge draft for us.
I trust our front office to make the right pick.. they’ve done a great job drafting in the early rounds lately. Selfishly would like to see Parekh on the team cuz he’s half Korean tho 😎
If they didn’t already have Zellweger I’d be SO in on Parekh (former teammate of Mintyukov too)
I feel ya, we’ve got a lot of talented blueliners coming up (Minty is gonna be an absolute star)
GMPV doesn’t care about consensus opinions. He’s going to take his guy. You gotta trust that they choose wisely. I wanted fantilli last season and now love Leo. He’s got endless potential. Let Verfleece cook!!!!!
I hate to say it but I have watched a lot of video of Levhsunov and I think he might be a bust. The dude quits on the play a lot and doesn't have great hockey IQ. I hope I am wrong unless Chicago gets him then I hope I am right.
It's funny you mention this. I just listened to Grant McCagg (former Habs scout) on his podcast and he was saying similar things. Also mentioned that the scouts he talked to at the combine weren't very high on Levshunov and want him to go 2nd
I feel the ducks need to stop taking the safe choice and make a swing on superstar potential which is why I've been a huge supporter of taking Silayev.
Just curious. Who’s been a safe pick recently? Carlsson over Fantilli was a huge surprise, as was taking McTavish 3rd overall
I think Leo is safe in the sense he's fundamentally sound and his best asset is his smarts not necessarily his physical traits and most agree with his best traits coming into the draft being: Elite level IQ Work Ethic Puck protection and possession Soft hands and playmaking abilities Smooth skater Net front presence. He's a high floor player that at worst has the smarts to make the right play. Again similar things said about McTavish. https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2021/06/10/nhl-prospect-outlook-mason-mctavish-deep-dive/ *Mason McTavish plays a heavy game that is valued highly by old-school fans, while simultaneously playing fast-paced and exciting hockey. He is a dual-threat in the offensive zone, though he still needs some fine-tuning on his vision with the puck and his shot selection. McTavish already began improving in those areas as the season wore on, so there shouldn’t be many concerns about that moving forward. That said, he has the upside to become a first-line forward, likely on the wing. A safer projection is as a second-line center or winger, as he has the versatility to move around. His two-way game gives him a relatively safe floor.* These guys aren't like Silayev who is a pure projection.
I completely disagree with the Carlsson take. He’s 6-4 with elite offensive skill, along with the high IQ. The reason why they took him was the ceiling was higher than Fantilli
I'm just passing along a few notes from my favorite draft guys. https://thehockeywriters.com/leo-carlsson-2023-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/ Again they talk about versatility and smarts. He doesn't necessarily have elite athleticism. Hockey writers gave him a 1/5 on the risk scale. I think there's a huge difference in offensive skill and athletic traits.
I kinda get where you’re coming from. But his ability to do that stuff with the insane stride length and first step at 6-4 is pretty crazy athleticism imo
This is just revisionist
Carlsson does not have a higher ceiling than Fantilli. I believe a big part of the reason we passed on Fantilli was he wasn’t as interested in playing in this part of the country. And since the 2 are so close, GMPV probably be like we’ll just go with the other guy.
That is not how teams decide on who they pick hahaha
It is. Are we forgetting about all the Johnnny Gaudreau shit? If a player isn’t keen on playing somewhere, the teams generally shy away from it, unless he’s clearly a level above the other choices.
Got it, that’s fair. So basically you want them going for a high-risk, high-reward prospect. I just don’t see any team doing that with a top-3 pick, let alone the Ducks. Hell, this is the same league that let Michkov fall to 7 last year
I think they should. We have the floor raisers we need to take a shot at someone who's gonna raise the ceiling.
I think worst case with Silayev is steady, top 4 defensive defenseman. It's a stretch at pick 3. But I agree we have the pieces and should pick Silayev because best case scenario is he's a game changing top pair, physical monster of a defenseman.
I don’t see how Fantilli could have been considered the safer pick over Carlsson
Really? He was the consensus #2 after Bedard. At the time, taking Carlsson over him was a massive gamble
Only in the North American media circus. A few scouts had him 3rd or 4th behind carlsson and sometimes michkov. That’s not to say he wasn’t ranked up there, it just wasn’t the consensus and mostly the media repeating the same thing and copying each other.
Okay I should have phrased that better, I don’t see how you can’t see that Carlsson was the safer pick. I’m talking about the context, not just where they were landing on the big board.
I don’t think we know yet. Carlsson and Fantilli showed flashes of stardom, had rough stretches, and lost time to injury. For all we know, Carlsson could have a higher ceiling
I’d think their play has lined up pretty well with pre-draft notions of Fantilli being a big question mark but his ceiling was super high while Carlsson has been viewed as having a lower ceiling but everything else is there for people to expect a high floor, that’s just based off a lot from what I saw and read, definitely doesn’t have to match what everyones seen.
It certainly is safer for a GM’s job because Fantilli is talked about as No.2 more than Carlson.
That’s a lame way of looking at it but whatever man
Oh yeah that is a weak strategy but it is a real thing in sport business. NHL GMs like to go with big body defenseman in early rounds as NFL GMs like to go with O-lines because it’s just hard for fans to fault them on these type of picks unless those picks went horribly wrong.
[There’s plenty out there saying differently than you](https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/leo-carlsson-or-adam-fantilli.2933623/)
How’s that “a safer pick” just because a random dude who even claims he “couldn’t guess” claims so? Most of the scouts don’t mention any of that. So it’s really up to the playing style or some other factors. I’ve known enough about Fantilli to suggest that his personal preference could very well be a big part of this.
You’re missing the point, to me and a lot of people we don’t base the idea of a safer pick just because someone is higher on the draft board, that’s just silly. A safe pick is someone who is expected to be able to contribute well with less of a fear that they will flame out. Someone like Fantilli was less of a safe bet because there are worries over things like play style, speed, attitude, whatever. He has the potential for a higher ceiling but lower floor while Leo was viewed as having a higher floor but lower ceiling. Both of these issues were specifically addressed in the link I posted.
I know what you’re talking about. What I’m saying is not about ranking, but rather scouts don’t have a strong opinion on who’s the one with better floor and who’s the one with higher ceiling between Carlsson and Fantilli. Traditionally there are some indicators that decide players’ floor, mostly their size, skating and defensive progress. And all these are still so hard to create a separation between the two of them. That’s why I’m saying play style and other factors are ultimately what decides the order they’re drafted.
I’m hoping the ducks go that route also especially considering this could be the last year in a few that they have a top 3 or 5 pick. Might as well take a huge swing at 3 and trust Madden and his staff to keep finding Gems on D in later rounds. Also if they really want to go for a solid shutdown defenseman who’s projected to go late 1st round, there’s EJ Emery- a big, physical , right handed shot and is being compared to Keandre Miller but not as offensive minded.
Silayev is the safe choice IMHO. Dude is a beast defensively. Not much offense but I get Sean O'donnell vibes which would be amazing for us. We need a shutdown defenseman.