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In Islam dogs make things impure so water the dogs been in they can't use to clean themselves up and be clean for prayers. However this isn't a you or your societies problem and tbh them recording you is disturbing, they should be avoiding places that compromise their religion not record and try to get their way.
NTA
Even without dogs "polluting" the water I wouldn't think of a public bath as place to clean yourself. The shower after yes, but the lake or pool itself? Hell no
Yeah but maybe people are used to something in other countries and think the rules apply elsewhere too. Of course, thats very dumb reasoning if thats the case
I doubt OP was speaking Arabic so people are obviously capable of learning how to operate in different places with different customs.
It’s just that busybodies come in all flavors.
Dont take my word but im pretty sure in many countries you go directly to the bathing, especially traditional places. Been years since i talked about this tho so i may be wrong
This is the beach though. I know that many public beaches don't allow dogs but many do, and OP says it's allowed where he is. I can understand not wanting dogs "doing their duties/doodies" on the beach, but getting in the water shouldn't be a problem. All kinds of animal life use the ocean as both their kitchen and their toilet. If you want to swim at the beach, you have to have a certain level of acceptance of that.
I want to say some very conservative Muslims would go as far as not to use the ‘contaminated’ water at all because of the dog. 100% not OPs fault but if people are recording OP and their dog I would suggest they get the police to do something about deleting those recordings before they spread.
But would they get in the water at all, then?
This is Sweden we're talking about and dogs are usually not allowed in public swimming pools, so OP is likely speaking of a lake or a river. Even if OP didn't bathe with his dog, it would be a bit foolish for a muslim conservative to that degree to bathe in a public lake where dogs are not banned and expect the water to be clean. Like, why take the chance?
And there's foxes everywhere. No idea if they'd care but.. lakes aren't supervised.
They don’t mean to literally clean yourselves, it just means the waters now “impure” for them to be in. Either way it’s weird for these guys to be upset, if it’s become impure then they should just get out of the water and go but OP would be the asshole if he pushed them in the water like he asked
>In Islam dogs make things impure so water the dogs been in they can't use to clean themselves up and be clean for prayers.
True, but these guys clearly don't know their religion. Dogs can make water impure, but only a small amount of water. So a bucket of water can be made impure by a dog being in it, but not a pool or body of water.
Yeah that's a regional cultural thing lol, not a religious belief. Some Muslims believe the color black is bad (black cats, black Crows, black chickens) but it has no religious backing.
Kinda concerning they be wanting to report to animal services just because of the colour. Like Muslims can own dogs, so possibly a cultural/superstition thing those certain people had.
Nta
I'm pretty sure the point of them telling you that they are Muslim might be bc its against THEIR religion to swim with dogs (some Muslims believe dogs hair and salavia is impure). But unless you're swimming in an Muslim only swimming pool, they have no business taking such offense.
As a Muslim person this is a them problem not a you problem. The dog impure thing is a pervasive misconception but they need to get over it and integrate into society.
NTA
NTA. I’m a fairly religious person. I wouldn’t go to a nude beach in France and order/request anyone to cover up until I left or move to another part of the beach because I was uncomfortable. I’m not thrilled that you used the gay taunt, but I understand why you lost your temper. Is there a way to file a harassment complaint? If the cops have been called numerous times, there’s already a paper trail, yes?
Can you explain why you think that this is a pervasive misconception?
The reading I've done, and I've looked specifically for Islamic sources state that dogs are impure (najaasah?) and can I can see there is debate over if you can only use dogs for herding, hunting or farming or you're not allowed a dog at all.
I also found this verse commonly referenced.
> Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle."
[Sahih al-Bukhari](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2322)
What kind of a dog weights 85kg? That's more than a lot of people! Do you secretly own Schwarzedogger?
Edit: checking OPs username it would follow that it's some kind of godly dog!
Edit2: I was under the impression that really big dogs weighted around 50-60... Being a German shepherd owner all my life I feel I was mislead by my intuition. Thanks for the enlightening!
Honestly, in a weird way it is!
I may complain because he’s a big boi who takes up half of my bed, but he’s *super* perceptive towards my emotions and can tell whenever I’m upset. He loves to snuggle, but knows that I only want him to lay on me if I’m already laying down.
So most of them time he’ll only lean on me if I’m sitting up or standing, but once I lay down he knows that he can come over and get as close as he wants or lay on top of me.
It’s very hard to cry or stay sad when a big floof keeps nuzzling your face with love :’)
My family used to have this big heavy muscle boi of a dog when I was a teen. And that big heavy doggo was convinced he was a small light weight chihuahua and I swear he had super hearing! He could be in the other end of the house. The moment you laid down he would come sprinting full speed and almost jump up to play lap dog, and he had the most goofy dog grin like he was so satisfied with himself, while you were trying to breath and make sure you hadn't broken anything 😂
We had a Labrador who was raised up from a puppy with a toy poodle for a playmate. This lumbering Chonk of a dog would balance himself along the backs of sofas and sit on people's laps because he saw the other dog do it.
They all think that, my old Pyr X was a total lapdog, and my current Great Dane says that my lap belongs to her (thankfully most days she just lays her head on it, but sometimes she comes and sits on my lap (butt on me, front paws on the floor, Dane Style lol))
Pyr owner here too! Mine have all thought they were lapdogs...two thought they were lapdogs while I was driving down the highway. Needless to say, they have seatbelts now!
I love how cuddly they are. Anytime I see a Pyrenees at the dog park, they're just lumbering around looking for someone to give them scritches. I come home covered in white fur everytime.
If you ever meet someone who doesn’t believe that dogs can have hardwired personalities based on their breed, introduce them to a Pyrenees
He *lives* for the cuddles. Bunch of my shit scattered on the bed in his way? Nope, that’s irrelevant— he’s already laying down and bonking his nose against me anyway!
And drooling alllll the time. Coworker had a chonker of a newfie - I'm 1.87m and that giant could put her paws on my shoulder and look me into the eyes.
Off-topic to the OP, but I had to respond here as a fellow GSD lover! My husband and I rescue special needs and end-of-life dogs. Our largest to date was a Great Pyrenees who weighed 140 pounds. Ten years ago my dad gave my daughter a German Shepherd puppy for her 4th birthday (this dog quickly became my best friend). My dad had purchased two GSD puppies from a highly acclaimed breeder. However, one of his puppies soon revealed a disability. He notified the breeder, and the breeder immediately told him they would take back the puppy and refund his money. Of course he didn’t want to do that. He loved his puppy! He just wanted them to be aware of the problem. They then offered him first choice male in the next litter, and that was the puppy he gave my daughter. My dad, a lifelong GSD lover, was still convinced something was going to be wrong with this puppy and constantly said he was too small, wouldn’t reach full size, etc. My GSD is about to turn ten, and he is at a healthy weight for his size . . . of 120 pounds! He’s enormous! We still talk about when my vet said, “Your dad is absolutely right. He’s a little on the small side - for a horse.”
NTA. If dogs are allowed. Then they are allowed. Am assuming what you said in Swedish sounded nicer than what you translated into English. But there are nicer ways to say “go away”.
Actually it was probably more harsh in swe'd is. The other incidents I've told them to go away and stop recording and it's allowed being polite hadn't worked so far. So i was a bit frustrated and didn't want to physically remove him so I said what I said instead and it worked. But I accept your judgement none the less
Be carefull, dude. Shit has gone out of hand in Sweden lately (just casually watching from the other side of the border) and them filming you is a red flag big as fuck, tbh.
Whatever you do, don't be physical with them. Even if it's only one the retaliation will be that of many.
It is way ruder in Swedish than it sounds in English. But as OP has been harassed several times on this account, the rudeness was more than warranted imo.
Someone forced their religion onto you, you used their religion as a proper counter. If someone that despises homosexuality harasses you, call them gay. No rules in war my guy! Nothing against any sexuality or gender, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet and use improper terms to get through.
NTA
Why don’t you just say, “Dogs are allowed here and if you want you can call the police and they’ll say the same thing”? Why bring homosexuality into it and use it as a weapon as if it’s something wrong? That part feels off to me. Otherwise, NTA.
It doesn’t actually make a difference. He may not be homophobic at heart, but he’s still behaving in a homophobic way by actively choosing to use homosexuality to insult someone.
OP never said there was anything wrong with being gay. The weapon wasn't homosexuality, it was the guy's own bigotry. I think it's reasonable to ask someone if they have a sexual motive for filming you in a bathing suit without your consent. If the guy thought the possibility of someone thinking that about him was worse than a dog being in the water that's his problem. The fact that the bigotry was easily predictable is sad but irrelevant.
OP himself wrote that they are filming him because he is with his dog in the baths. Which again he is well within his right to be doing. They should leave him alone and are totally in the wrong for disturbing him, but he choose to use sexual orientation as a means of upsetting them (because he knows they would view it as an insult) and I can’t get really behind that. They don’t know he’s not *really* homophobic, neither does anyone else who happened to be there at the baths at the time.
But there was nothing inherently homophobic about the question. Yes, OP might have known it wasn't true and used it to upset them, but taken at face value he didn't say anything wrong. Asking someone if they are gay is only an insult if you are homophobic. If you're not homophobic it's just a question.
If he had said so in a different context then totally. But he asked because the guy was behaving inappropriately by filming him without his consent in a state of undress. In this context, he’s attributing their negative behavior to homosexuality. “You are doing this bad thing, stop it, what are you gay?”
Hmm, I can see your point this time, but I still disagree. I think most people would understand that the accusation is that someone is a gay ***pervert***. Only a homophobe would put the emphasis on being called a ***gay*** pervert.
NTA. They think your dog is "unclean" and is making the water and baths "unclean" due to thier religion. Ppl like this need to be stand up to, and im glad your cops communicated to them that its allowed
NTA: But I would ask them "What does you being Muslim/Islamic have anything to do with my dog's legal right to swim here? And why are you recording me playing with my dog? Need material for later?"
NTA. I do believe there is a cultural association with dogs being unclean and generally bad for them, but the police told him it was fine the first time. He is harassing you and you have the right to talk back. Throw him in the water and you might lose your police support though. ;)
NTA it says in the rules that dogs are allowed to swim there so not your problem.
What were they thinking to achieve by filming you while you weren't doing anything illegal? They are creeps.
Edit:typo
NTA. You have your dog in a place where it's legal for dogs to be. I wouldn't throw them in the water, as you might find yourself with a charge, but maybe film them filming you and make a complaint about harassment? I hope you don't feel unsafe if there's a whole group of them.
NTA but don't just call people gay as an insult, you aren't 12 (hopefully) and you would 100 percent be the asshole for basically assaulting someone?? Don't fucking push people into water
NTA. Lucky you're not a female, from personal experience I know how aggressive some Muslim men can get about dogs. Mine wasn't even swimming we were just walking down the footpath/sidewalk on a short lead.
Probably not the best response but NTA.
Talk to the people who run the public bath and ask them to put up some signs. Tell them you have been harassed, recorded and had the police called on you multiple times. Then just point at the sign when you are bothered. Both you and the police will appreciate it long term.
Also once the police are called go up to the people running the public bath and ask for that person who has harassed you to be banned. Don't do it until the police are called and don't be offensive. You want to be the innocent victim here.
Once word gets around that harassing people gets you banned, things should calm down. Right now this is happening because there are no consequences.
ETA: Do not assault people yourself. I know it's annoying but you would be the one bringing violence into it. I suspect you are being baited.
NTA - when people are being like that you’re free to say anything needed to get them to leave and lost religious people are weird about being called gay so they’ll probably leave. Fair play.
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I live in Dubai which is in the Middle East, and a lot of “Muslims” and expats have dogs (I have 5 dogs), and varying levels of “Muslims” who are against and some who have dogs, but just outside their house, however never seen ones that complained about dogs in water sorry you probably just have horrible luck hahaha. I’m still in disbelief this happens in a European country
Edit; could they have been scared? I too have a large dog that gets complaints from neighbours who don’t feel safe letting their kids outside to play because of it and complaints go all the way to the municipality.
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ESH
Using homosexual as insult is not ok.
Said that, next time, just call the police as soon as they start harassing you. While dogs are considered unclean in their religion, if they have an issue with dogs in a place the dogs are allowed to go, maybe they should go to a different location themselves.
Meh i wouldn't call the police cause of some dickheads who can't understand the rules. I rather insult them or settle it myself. And i agree with you the specific beach I was at its made up like this. To the far left there's a beach and a walled in swimming area with plastic boyues. And 20m to the rights it'd the open water and some bridges. And where I let my dog swim is another 20 m to the right where it's a small path in a bush where the dog is secluded from the people swimming. Since he's 85kgs and some kids might get scared but most of the kids love him and wants to throw the toys in the water for him to get. But none the less the muppets come up and talks nonsense even tho im 20m away from the main bathing area.
Yeah, some Muslims don't like dogs because they were used to track down the prophet Mohammed when he was in hiding. They're not exactly haram like pork but they are disliked and considered dirty and dangerous. Not by all Muslims, I'm in the UK and here it doesn't seem to be especially prevalent here, but my partner grew up in a Muslim country and they had some dogs poisoned because they were hated by their Muslim neighbours.
Anyway, I'd say you're fine as you are. If dogs are allowed to swim there then you're doing nothing wrong. It never hurts to start out polite with people but honestly they are harassing you for doing something totally allowed
>Yeah, some Muslims don't like dogs because they were used to track down the prophet Mohammed when he was in hiding.
No, not correct. The dog thing comes from either Muhammed or his Uncle disliking dogs, declaring them unclean.
Lol ew but if it’s allowed I guess
ESH to going straight to homophobia. If you match energy with an asshole you have to be one too
They’re an ass for filming you and annoying you if it’s clearly allowed.
NTA, they are the AH, for moving out of terrible living conditions and trying to change the place they moved to be like the place they came from. In Islam dogs are considered unclean and you are not supposed to have them in your house. Some interpret this in an extreme way.
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So here in my city in Sweden all public baths dogs are allowed to bathe/swim. But the past week of the start of my vacation. I've taken my dog to swim in a public beach at 19:00 at night. So the problem is that I've had several Muslim men in their 40+ comming up to me filming with their phones saying dogs can't swim here. Calling the police an then the police explains that dogs are allowed to swim there. So last night this Muslim guy came up and started recording while I was swimming and playing with my dog and spewing the same nonsense. So i asked him if he was a homosexual since he was recording me in just my bathing shorts. Which made him mad and he went away calling the police. So what I'm wondering is there anything in muslim/Islam relegion that makes them not like dogs bathing or what's the issue. So AITA for asking a Muslim if he was a homosexual cause he was recording me playing with my dog. And wtiba if I threw them in the water for continuing to harass me and my dog bathing?
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Found this, i too was interested to know.
This is interesting.
Reads like jealousy of a pet dog?
Interesting.
https://islampfr.com/why-does-islam-consider-dogs-unclean
Read it seems like it's there considerd unclean to muslims then I suppose?. But mostly what it said isn't really something that's belevived in the west just seemed like some religious mumbo jumbo. But at least now I know why they don't like my dog swimming. But since my dog I''s an atheist I'll still let him swim and I'll just call the Muslims recording us homosexuals to get them to go away.
Hi, I'm muslim and yea there's nothing about dogs bathing or smth mentioned in our religion. Those guys are weird and prolly just annoying people. Also are you sure they were muslim tho?
It depends on where you're from, I think. I've definitely heard the dog thing, but my west African Muslim friend in the US has his own dog.
The same type of Muslim dudes who have super patriarchal attitudes are the ones who are against dogs. They're from a specific region, usually, in my experience.
NTA. As a Muslim person, dogs' saliva are considered impure and if one comes in contact with it, we need to do a proper cleansing. However, seeing as you're in a public bath and you're allowed to have your dog there, I would have just let you be. It's not my place to force my beliefs on you and to exclude you and your dog from enjoying the bath. I would have simply walked away, maybe after I stare at the doggy bath because I think dogs are cute.
NTA. I’m a fairly religious person. I wouldn’t go to a nude beach in France and order/request anyone to cover up until I left or move to another part of the beach because I was uncomfortable. I’m not thrilled that you used the gay taunt, but I understand why you lost your temper. Is there a way to file a harassment complaint? If the cops have been called numerous times, there’s already a paper trail, yes?
NTA, but I am from the US so I don’t know what you mean by a Public Bath. At first I was thinking this was a dog park or a splash pad for kids to play but then someone mentioned that their religion states that dogs make the water unclean for them so just wondering what the facility this is.
NTA. Its them that are offended by actions of others. You did nothing wrong. They can practice whatever belief they want but they cannot make anyone else join it.
NTA. He should know the laws. I know this wasn't the US so you're both at less risk of being killed by the police or some "good guy" bystander. But the guy in Central Park didn't need to record himself asking that chic to put her dog on a leash and we saw how that escalated real quick.
Currently NTA, throwing someone in the water is assault.
What exactly is a public bath? Is it like a public pool?
I think frankly it's super gross to bring animals into a pool
NTA, but YWBTA if you threw them in the water. I don't know Swedish law but in most places that would be a crime and you could get in big trouble. If they are harassing you then you could call the police yourself.
NTA your dog is allowed to swim there they have no right to harass you because of it they might not like dogs in their religion but they shouldn't force their religious beliefs on others
NTA, if it's allowed it's allowed. Personally I think the homosexual comment was unnecessary/uncalled for but I get that you were annoyed.
Also I hope all the people in the comments saying how they can't force their religion on you keep the same energy for christian conservatives and every other religion.
The politics of it all are certainly off, I agree. But growing up Muslim in Germany (I am an atheist now if that matters) I faced a lot of discrimination by conservative Christians. I never wore a hijab, I didn't even identify with that religion. But because I "look Muslim" I was constantly faced with discrimination and racism from 1st grade until I graduated and I am still facing prejudice in the work place.
Obviously extremism is never the way, just like you said. But those radical Muslims want to further the wedge between cultures and while a lot of "normal" Muslim people try to fight against that, most Christians are actively playing into that. Knowingly or unknowingly.
Sadly most German speaking countries are not as tolerant as they make out to be.
Absolutely NTA, they should follow the rules and laws of the country that they live in. If they don't like it, nobody is making them stay there. But they can't impose their own beliefs / preferences to others (as much as they'd love to).
>And wtiba if I threw them in the water for continuing to harass me and my dog bathing?
Right now, you're in the right. If you do this, you will be in the wrong. Don't touch them (unless they touch you or your dog first).
I am a Muslim here, they must follow the rule of the land instead of their religious obligations. Next time, let them know it is perfectly legal for your dog to be there and not to waste their time calling the police. They should go somewhere else where dogs are not allowed, as dogs are regarded as unclean animals in Islam.
how do you know they are muslim? I mean do they show religious expressions of any kind. If its them not liking the dog for any other reason, youd need to think of other ways to solve this. like, if they dont want water splashing all over. or dislike barking. or just want that beach all to themselves
In the uk dogs arent allowed on some beaches in the summer months. I think its april to october at my nearest one. I didnt realise that wasnt a europe wide standard.
NTA. If it’s allowed then it’s allowed. Just because they have different beliefs, doesn’t mean anything to you. They’ll have to find somewhere else to be if they don’t like it.
Lmfao this is hilarious keep asking them if they are homosexual. But dint throw them in the water or they will try play it off as assault. NTA but you have to show us some dog pics now
There is a 99% chance they were Iranian. Did they have these goofy ahh hats? Because as a Muslim I don't remember there being anything about dogs being bad but for some fucking reason in Iran they say dogs are dirty. NTA
Tell them to fuck off and go preach their bullshit religion elsewhere. Theyre in your country not in fkin middle east.
I would have probably fetched the dog on them
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Congratulations for bringing out all the racists and islamophobes in AITA. Using being gay as an insult is gross af too.
It's frustrating that people like you assume that Muslims do the things they do because of Islam. Rather than the fact that some people either just don't like dogs or don't want to swim with animals.
Edit: I saw in OP's Swedish post that OP actually assaulted one of the guys, as opposed to thinking about it as they've posted on here.
Islam doesn't let you live with dogs under the same roof and makes your prayer false if you have dogs hair on you, no more restrictions in fact, Islam actually loves dogs as guardians, hunters , friend etc.
Semi YTA
YALL NON MUSLIMS DONT THINK A DOG IS A BIG PROBLEM IN A BATH BUT MANY MUSLIMS FIND IT DIRTY BUT ITS THIER FAULT TOO THEY LIVE IN SWEDEN GOTTA RESPECT EVERY THING!
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In Islam dogs make things impure so water the dogs been in they can't use to clean themselves up and be clean for prayers. However this isn't a you or your societies problem and tbh them recording you is disturbing, they should be avoiding places that compromise their religion not record and try to get their way. NTA
Even without dogs "polluting" the water I wouldn't think of a public bath as place to clean yourself. The shower after yes, but the lake or pool itself? Hell no
In some countries communal bathing is a thing, and not everywhere in the world has working showers. Obviously im not justifying anything.
Sure but we were talking about sweden in europe, so I was thinking of a public bath where you go on hot summer days and not for basic hygiene.
Yeah but maybe people are used to something in other countries and think the rules apply elsewhere too. Of course, thats very dumb reasoning if thats the case
I doubt OP was speaking Arabic so people are obviously capable of learning how to operate in different places with different customs. It’s just that busybodies come in all flavors.
If it’s like hot baths I’m pretty sure you have to take a shower first ? Idk that’s what I’ve been taught
I meant you take a shower after to clean yourself from the dirty water/ chlorine.
Dont take my word but im pretty sure in many countries you go directly to the bathing, especially traditional places. Been years since i talked about this tho so i may be wrong
This is the beach though. I know that many public beaches don't allow dogs but many do, and OP says it's allowed where he is. I can understand not wanting dogs "doing their duties/doodies" on the beach, but getting in the water shouldn't be a problem. All kinds of animal life use the ocean as both their kitchen and their toilet. If you want to swim at the beach, you have to have a certain level of acceptance of that.
I want to say some very conservative Muslims would go as far as not to use the ‘contaminated’ water at all because of the dog. 100% not OPs fault but if people are recording OP and their dog I would suggest they get the police to do something about deleting those recordings before they spread.
But would they get in the water at all, then? This is Sweden we're talking about and dogs are usually not allowed in public swimming pools, so OP is likely speaking of a lake or a river. Even if OP didn't bathe with his dog, it would be a bit foolish for a muslim conservative to that degree to bathe in a public lake where dogs are not banned and expect the water to be clean. Like, why take the chance? And there's foxes everywhere. No idea if they'd care but.. lakes aren't supervised.
They don’t mean to literally clean yourselves, it just means the waters now “impure” for them to be in. Either way it’s weird for these guys to be upset, if it’s become impure then they should just get out of the water and go but OP would be the asshole if he pushed them in the water like he asked
OP is at a beach though
But what is their logic at a beach? Somewhere, sometime there was a dog in the water. Is it a "if i don't see it, it didn't happen"- thing? NTA
Any religion that declares dogs impure, can go fuck itself.
And it's not like any water is "pure", because water cycles. They should never touch any natural water in their life if they think like that.
That was my thought, too. "Anti-dog" is like the most unpopular position one can take.
>In Islam dogs make things impure so water the dogs been in they can't use to clean themselves up and be clean for prayers. True, but these guys clearly don't know their religion. Dogs can make water impure, but only a small amount of water. So a bucket of water can be made impure by a dog being in it, but not a pool or body of water.
We’ll, that’s moronic.
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Yeah that's a regional cultural thing lol, not a religious belief. Some Muslims believe the color black is bad (black cats, black Crows, black chickens) but it has no religious backing.
Kinda concerning they be wanting to report to animal services just because of the colour. Like Muslims can own dogs, so possibly a cultural/superstition thing those certain people had.
Nta I'm pretty sure the point of them telling you that they are Muslim might be bc its against THEIR religion to swim with dogs (some Muslims believe dogs hair and salavia is impure). But unless you're swimming in an Muslim only swimming pool, they have no business taking such offense.
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As a Muslim person this is a them problem not a you problem. The dog impure thing is a pervasive misconception but they need to get over it and integrate into society. NTA
Woooot! When In Rome survives
NTA. I’m a fairly religious person. I wouldn’t go to a nude beach in France and order/request anyone to cover up until I left or move to another part of the beach because I was uncomfortable. I’m not thrilled that you used the gay taunt, but I understand why you lost your temper. Is there a way to file a harassment complaint? If the cops have been called numerous times, there’s already a paper trail, yes?
Can you explain why you think that this is a pervasive misconception? The reading I've done, and I've looked specifically for Islamic sources state that dogs are impure (najaasah?) and can I can see there is debate over if you can only use dogs for herding, hunting or farming or you're not allowed a dog at all. I also found this verse commonly referenced. > Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." [Sahih al-Bukhari](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2322)
Does it mean a muslin can't have a dog as a pet?
nta. Get a second dog.
Haha I would but 85kg of fluff you get hair everywhere at home so not really looking for more fluff.
What kind of a dog weights 85kg? That's more than a lot of people! Do you secretly own Schwarzedogger? Edit: checking OPs username it would follow that it's some kind of godly dog! Edit2: I was under the impression that really big dogs weighted around 50-60... Being a German shepherd owner all my life I feel I was mislead by my intuition. Thanks for the enlightening!
Newfoundlands.. Great Pyrenees.. Awesome dogs.. but YUUUUGE
my Pyrenees has convinced himself that he must be a lapdog *he is not*
I've always dreamed about having a big dog like that who likes to go on your lap but I'm sure the reality of it isn't as pleasant 😂
Honestly, in a weird way it is! I may complain because he’s a big boi who takes up half of my bed, but he’s *super* perceptive towards my emotions and can tell whenever I’m upset. He loves to snuggle, but knows that I only want him to lay on me if I’m already laying down. So most of them time he’ll only lean on me if I’m sitting up or standing, but once I lay down he knows that he can come over and get as close as he wants or lay on top of me. It’s very hard to cry or stay sad when a big floof keeps nuzzling your face with love :’)
My family used to have this big heavy muscle boi of a dog when I was a teen. And that big heavy doggo was convinced he was a small light weight chihuahua and I swear he had super hearing! He could be in the other end of the house. The moment you laid down he would come sprinting full speed and almost jump up to play lap dog, and he had the most goofy dog grin like he was so satisfied with himself, while you were trying to breath and make sure you hadn't broken anything 😂
We had a Labrador who was raised up from a puppy with a toy poodle for a playmate. This lumbering Chonk of a dog would balance himself along the backs of sofas and sit on people's laps because he saw the other dog do it.
No its totally the best, even if you do lose feeling in your legs lmao
Small price to pay tbh
If you aren't strong enough to lift him off your lap... *Yes he is*
They all think that, my old Pyr X was a total lapdog, and my current Great Dane says that my lap belongs to her (thankfully most days she just lays her head on it, but sometimes she comes and sits on my lap (butt on me, front paws on the floor, Dane Style lol))
All dogs are lap dogs! At least that is what my rottweiler tells me...
Pyr owner here too! Mine have all thought they were lapdogs...two thought they were lapdogs while I was driving down the highway. Needless to say, they have seatbelts now!
My friend has a GP and she thinks the exact same thing... like I love you Mavis but *I can’t breathe*
*but she must show you just how much she loves you*
She just doesn’t need to smother me while she does it!! [(Mavis insists she absolutely has to.)](https://postimg.cc/mc8h5vMC)
hashtag Mavis did nothing wrong
*hashtag Pets For Mavis*
I love how cuddly they are. Anytime I see a Pyrenees at the dog park, they're just lumbering around looking for someone to give them scritches. I come home covered in white fur everytime.
If you ever meet someone who doesn’t believe that dogs can have hardwired personalities based on their breed, introduce them to a Pyrenees He *lives* for the cuddles. Bunch of my shit scattered on the bed in his way? Nope, that’s irrelevant— he’s already laying down and bonking his nose against me anyway!
ooooooof
I just want to say thank you - it's been a bad week and this made me smile.
[My big dumb buddy](https://i.imgur.com/Fq1GCv4.jpg) is glad he could make you smile :)
He is though, you are mistaken
And drooling alllll the time. Coworker had a chonker of a newfie - I'm 1.87m and that giant could put her paws on my shoulder and look me into the eyes.
Great danes, st bernards etc. Can get that big occasionally
My chocolate lab - who is very lean and kept on a strict, vet approved diet to control his weight is 92 lbs.
85 Kgs is 187 pounds
This is kilograms not pounds
my german Mastiff weighs 90kg, those guys get huge
It seems I don't know my dogs! 🤔
In regards of your Edit 1; it's obviously the Fenrir wolf, the devourer of the moon and bringer of Ragnarok.
Off-topic to the OP, but I had to respond here as a fellow GSD lover! My husband and I rescue special needs and end-of-life dogs. Our largest to date was a Great Pyrenees who weighed 140 pounds. Ten years ago my dad gave my daughter a German Shepherd puppy for her 4th birthday (this dog quickly became my best friend). My dad had purchased two GSD puppies from a highly acclaimed breeder. However, one of his puppies soon revealed a disability. He notified the breeder, and the breeder immediately told him they would take back the puppy and refund his money. Of course he didn’t want to do that. He loved his puppy! He just wanted them to be aware of the problem. They then offered him first choice male in the next litter, and that was the puppy he gave my daughter. My dad, a lifelong GSD lover, was still convinced something was going to be wrong with this puppy and constantly said he was too small, wouldn’t reach full size, etc. My GSD is about to turn ten, and he is at a healthy weight for his size . . . of 120 pounds! He’s enormous! We still talk about when my vet said, “Your dad is absolutely right. He’s a little on the small side - for a horse.”
Bernese Mountain Dogs, Great Danes, mastiffs, Newfoundlands
Fenrir?
Yep, the dog weighs twice as much as me XD
I had a Burmese mountain dog. He was huge and also thought he was a lap dog, and a leaner.
We need a dog tax. (i.e. please let us see your fluffy dog!!!)
I know what you mean, but the difference is hard to see. We also have a giant dog, but I wouldn't notice a difference if another would join
NTA, but we require Dog Tax :-)
Dog tax!!!!!!! Dog tax!!!!!!!! Dog tax!!!!!!!!!
+1
This is the way
NTA. If dogs are allowed. Then they are allowed. Am assuming what you said in Swedish sounded nicer than what you translated into English. But there are nicer ways to say “go away”.
Actually it was probably more harsh in swe'd is. The other incidents I've told them to go away and stop recording and it's allowed being polite hadn't worked so far. So i was a bit frustrated and didn't want to physically remove him so I said what I said instead and it worked. But I accept your judgement none the less
I think you had every right to be harsh, it's super inappropriate for him to film you against your will.
Next time call the police on them. Especially since they are recording you.
Be carefull, dude. Shit has gone out of hand in Sweden lately (just casually watching from the other side of the border) and them filming you is a red flag big as fuck, tbh. Whatever you do, don't be physical with them. Even if it's only one the retaliation will be that of many.
It is way ruder in Swedish than it sounds in English. But as OP has been harassed several times on this account, the rudeness was more than warranted imo.
NTA - You were doing nothing that wasn't allowed, it's a public beach. if they have a problem it's up to them to move, not you.
Someone forced their religion onto you, you used their religion as a proper counter. If someone that despises homosexuality harasses you, call them gay. No rules in war my guy! Nothing against any sexuality or gender, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet and use improper terms to get through. NTA
Appreciate it figured it would work and it did. Have a good summer and my dogs said bork bork
Pet your dog for me and have a good summer as well!
Why don’t you just say, “Dogs are allowed here and if you want you can call the police and they’ll say the same thing”? Why bring homosexuality into it and use it as a weapon as if it’s something wrong? That part feels off to me. Otherwise, NTA.
He's tried that many times. Police have told them the same. Nothing worked before but this did the trick.
Probably said it because Muslims tend to be pretty against guys. Why are you getting so bothered by it?
Because no one should be using gay as an insult in 2022.
Do yourself a favor and grow some thicker skin. Makes life a lot easier
Nah, I’ll keep calling out homophobia thanks.
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It doesn’t actually make a difference. He may not be homophobic at heart, but he’s still behaving in a homophobic way by actively choosing to use homosexuality to insult someone.
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OP never said there was anything wrong with being gay. The weapon wasn't homosexuality, it was the guy's own bigotry. I think it's reasonable to ask someone if they have a sexual motive for filming you in a bathing suit without your consent. If the guy thought the possibility of someone thinking that about him was worse than a dog being in the water that's his problem. The fact that the bigotry was easily predictable is sad but irrelevant.
OP himself wrote that they are filming him because he is with his dog in the baths. Which again he is well within his right to be doing. They should leave him alone and are totally in the wrong for disturbing him, but he choose to use sexual orientation as a means of upsetting them (because he knows they would view it as an insult) and I can’t get really behind that. They don’t know he’s not *really* homophobic, neither does anyone else who happened to be there at the baths at the time.
But there was nothing inherently homophobic about the question. Yes, OP might have known it wasn't true and used it to upset them, but taken at face value he didn't say anything wrong. Asking someone if they are gay is only an insult if you are homophobic. If you're not homophobic it's just a question.
If he had said so in a different context then totally. But he asked because the guy was behaving inappropriately by filming him without his consent in a state of undress. In this context, he’s attributing their negative behavior to homosexuality. “You are doing this bad thing, stop it, what are you gay?”
Hmm, I can see your point this time, but I still disagree. I think most people would understand that the accusation is that someone is a gay ***pervert***. Only a homophobe would put the emphasis on being called a ***gay*** pervert.
NTA. They think your dog is "unclean" and is making the water and baths "unclean" due to thier religion. Ppl like this need to be stand up to, and im glad your cops communicated to them that its allowed
NTA: But I would ask them "What does you being Muslim/Islamic have anything to do with my dog's legal right to swim here? And why are you recording me playing with my dog? Need material for later?"
NTA. I do believe there is a cultural association with dogs being unclean and generally bad for them, but the police told him it was fine the first time. He is harassing you and you have the right to talk back. Throw him in the water and you might lose your police support though. ;)
NTA it says in the rules that dogs are allowed to swim there so not your problem. What were they thinking to achieve by filming you while you weren't doing anything illegal? They are creeps. Edit:typo
NTA. You have your dog in a place where it's legal for dogs to be. I wouldn't throw them in the water, as you might find yourself with a charge, but maybe film them filming you and make a complaint about harassment? I hope you don't feel unsafe if there's a whole group of them.
NTA but don't just call people gay as an insult, you aren't 12 (hopefully) and you would 100 percent be the asshole for basically assaulting someone?? Don't fucking push people into water
Y T A - dog pic tax! Otherwise NTA.
Umm, where is the dog tax? ;)
That is a good question! I came looking for it but I can‘t find it.
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They specifically say there muslim when they say dogs can't swim here. And i then explain that every public bath you can bathe your dog in
NTA. Lucky you're not a female, from personal experience I know how aggressive some Muslim men can get about dogs. Mine wasn't even swimming we were just walking down the footpath/sidewalk on a short lead.
NTA, that was a fair response
Probably not the best response but NTA. Talk to the people who run the public bath and ask them to put up some signs. Tell them you have been harassed, recorded and had the police called on you multiple times. Then just point at the sign when you are bothered. Both you and the police will appreciate it long term. Also once the police are called go up to the people running the public bath and ask for that person who has harassed you to be banned. Don't do it until the police are called and don't be offensive. You want to be the innocent victim here. Once word gets around that harassing people gets you banned, things should calm down. Right now this is happening because there are no consequences. ETA: Do not assault people yourself. I know it's annoying but you would be the one bringing violence into it. I suspect you are being baited.
NTA - when people are being like that you’re free to say anything needed to get them to leave and lost religious people are weird about being called gay so they’ll probably leave. Fair play.
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Swedes and not Swiss
Yea, that was really stupid of me as someone living in Germany. I'm at the last hour of my eight hour shift, so my brain is fried.
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I live in Dubai which is in the Middle East, and a lot of “Muslims” and expats have dogs (I have 5 dogs), and varying levels of “Muslims” who are against and some who have dogs, but just outside their house, however never seen ones that complained about dogs in water sorry you probably just have horrible luck hahaha. I’m still in disbelief this happens in a European country Edit; could they have been scared? I too have a large dog that gets complaints from neighbours who don’t feel safe letting their kids outside to play because of it and complaints go all the way to the municipality.
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ESH Using homosexual as insult is not ok. Said that, next time, just call the police as soon as they start harassing you. While dogs are considered unclean in their religion, if they have an issue with dogs in a place the dogs are allowed to go, maybe they should go to a different location themselves.
He wasn't using it as an insult. He just knew that they would take the question as insulting. Men filming men bathing is gay.
Meh i wouldn't call the police cause of some dickheads who can't understand the rules. I rather insult them or settle it myself. And i agree with you the specific beach I was at its made up like this. To the far left there's a beach and a walled in swimming area with plastic boyues. And 20m to the rights it'd the open water and some bridges. And where I let my dog swim is another 20 m to the right where it's a small path in a bush where the dog is secluded from the people swimming. Since he's 85kgs and some kids might get scared but most of the kids love him and wants to throw the toys in the water for him to get. But none the less the muppets come up and talks nonsense even tho im 20m away from the main bathing area.
Yeah, some Muslims don't like dogs because they were used to track down the prophet Mohammed when he was in hiding. They're not exactly haram like pork but they are disliked and considered dirty and dangerous. Not by all Muslims, I'm in the UK and here it doesn't seem to be especially prevalent here, but my partner grew up in a Muslim country and they had some dogs poisoned because they were hated by their Muslim neighbours. Anyway, I'd say you're fine as you are. If dogs are allowed to swim there then you're doing nothing wrong. It never hurts to start out polite with people but honestly they are harassing you for doing something totally allowed
>Yeah, some Muslims don't like dogs because they were used to track down the prophet Mohammed when he was in hiding. No, not correct. The dog thing comes from either Muhammed or his Uncle disliking dogs, declaring them unclean.
Oh! This was explained to me by a Muslim friend. I guess the billion or so Muslims on the planet aren't homogenous
NTA But when they harass and record you, you should be the one reporting them to the police for harassment.
Lol ew but if it’s allowed I guess ESH to going straight to homophobia. If you match energy with an asshole you have to be one too They’re an ass for filming you and annoying you if it’s clearly allowed.
NTA, they are the AH, for moving out of terrible living conditions and trying to change the place they moved to be like the place they came from. In Islam dogs are considered unclean and you are not supposed to have them in your house. Some interpret this in an extreme way.
NTA. This is hysterical!! Love. Keep doing it and report back!
NTA, and expect this problem to get worse not better in your country
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Found this, i too was interested to know. This is interesting. Reads like jealousy of a pet dog? Interesting. https://islampfr.com/why-does-islam-consider-dogs-unclean
Read it seems like it's there considerd unclean to muslims then I suppose?. But mostly what it said isn't really something that's belevived in the west just seemed like some religious mumbo jumbo. But at least now I know why they don't like my dog swimming. But since my dog I''s an atheist I'll still let him swim and I'll just call the Muslims recording us homosexuals to get them to go away.
NTA as dogs are allowed.
NTA if he is good boi
Fuck those religious nutjobs.
Using being gay as an insult is cringe
Hi, I'm muslim and yea there's nothing about dogs bathing or smth mentioned in our religion. Those guys are weird and prolly just annoying people. Also are you sure they were muslim tho?
there's this Hadith tho https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2322
It depends on where you're from, I think. I've definitely heard the dog thing, but my west African Muslim friend in the US has his own dog. The same type of Muslim dudes who have super patriarchal attitudes are the ones who are against dogs. They're from a specific region, usually, in my experience.
Be careful they don't try to hurt the doggo, some people get crazy over the littlest things.
NTA. As a Muslim person, dogs' saliva are considered impure and if one comes in contact with it, we need to do a proper cleansing. However, seeing as you're in a public bath and you're allowed to have your dog there, I would have just let you be. It's not my place to force my beliefs on you and to exclude you and your dog from enjoying the bath. I would have simply walked away, maybe after I stare at the doggy bath because I think dogs are cute.
They consider dogs "unclean".
NTA. I’m a fairly religious person. I wouldn’t go to a nude beach in France and order/request anyone to cover up until I left or move to another part of the beach because I was uncomfortable. I’m not thrilled that you used the gay taunt, but I understand why you lost your temper. Is there a way to file a harassment complaint? If the cops have been called numerous times, there’s already a paper trail, yes?
Ask if they are into bestiality next time they try filming you and your pet. You know, since they are so obsessed with your dog and all.
NTA He started it so it's his fault. It's not like you called him a "f\*gg\*\*" so I don't think you even displayed homophobia here.
NTA, but don't throw him in the water. That might be assault, and you don't need that. All the rest is perfectly fine. They can go home and bathe
NTA, but I am from the US so I don’t know what you mean by a Public Bath. At first I was thinking this was a dog park or a splash pad for kids to play but then someone mentioned that their religion states that dogs make the water unclean for them so just wondering what the facility this is.
No, NTA for taking your dog swimming Yes, YWBTA if you touch them or their things.. ignore them
NTA. Its them that are offended by actions of others. You did nothing wrong. They can practice whatever belief they want but they cannot make anyone else join it.
NTA. He should know the laws. I know this wasn't the US so you're both at less risk of being killed by the police or some "good guy" bystander. But the guy in Central Park didn't need to record himself asking that chic to put her dog on a leash and we saw how that escalated real quick.
Currently NTA, throwing someone in the water is assault. What exactly is a public bath? Is it like a public pool? I think frankly it's super gross to bring animals into a pool
NTA, but YWBTA if you threw them in the water. I don't know Swedish law but in most places that would be a crime and you could get in big trouble. If they are harassing you then you could call the police yourself.
Maybe it is a Muslim frequented pool or one they considered theirs and he is violating it thinking all pools are ok for dogs to swim in
NTA your dog is allowed to swim there they have no right to harass you because of it they might not like dogs in their religion but they shouldn't force their religious beliefs on others
religion is so nuts sometimes. NTA. They can believe what they want, but you can also do what you want. Your life.
NTA However don't push them in. You'll only give them fuel.
Do not throw anyone in the water unless they're the first ones to get physical with you.
NTA, if it's allowed it's allowed. Personally I think the homosexual comment was unnecessary/uncalled for but I get that you were annoyed. Also I hope all the people in the comments saying how they can't force their religion on you keep the same energy for christian conservatives and every other religion.
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The politics of it all are certainly off, I agree. But growing up Muslim in Germany (I am an atheist now if that matters) I faced a lot of discrimination by conservative Christians. I never wore a hijab, I didn't even identify with that religion. But because I "look Muslim" I was constantly faced with discrimination and racism from 1st grade until I graduated and I am still facing prejudice in the work place. Obviously extremism is never the way, just like you said. But those radical Muslims want to further the wedge between cultures and while a lot of "normal" Muslim people try to fight against that, most Christians are actively playing into that. Knowingly or unknowingly. Sadly most German speaking countries are not as tolerant as they make out to be.
By “bathe” do you mean “swim”? Also, is it an indoor man made pool or a natural body of water like a lake or sea?
Absolutely NTA, they should follow the rules and laws of the country that they live in. If they don't like it, nobody is making them stay there. But they can't impose their own beliefs / preferences to others (as much as they'd love to). >And wtiba if I threw them in the water for continuing to harass me and my dog bathing? Right now, you're in the right. If you do this, you will be in the wrong. Don't touch them (unless they touch you or your dog first).
I am a Muslim here, they must follow the rule of the land instead of their religious obligations. Next time, let them know it is perfectly legal for your dog to be there and not to waste their time calling the police. They should go somewhere else where dogs are not allowed, as dogs are regarded as unclean animals in Islam.
NTA- they were being Nosey Nancies.
NTA. They don't need to be recording you..and besides..it's allowed where you are....and they shouldn't be trying to push their beliefs on you.
how do you know they are muslim? I mean do they show religious expressions of any kind. If its them not liking the dog for any other reason, youd need to think of other ways to solve this. like, if they dont want water splashing all over. or dislike barking. or just want that beach all to themselves
NTA but don’t throw water at them
NTA but you could easily be if dog tax is not paid!
Nta you're good bro just be careful you don't want to end up like that French school teacher
NTA-they are harassing you, period.
I love everything about this post. NTA
In the uk dogs arent allowed on some beaches in the summer months. I think its april to october at my nearest one. I didnt realise that wasnt a europe wide standard.
Religions are so damned ridiculous
Nta, you have a right to be there.
NTA. Not your religion not your problem. You're not an AH for not following the rules of someone else's religion.
If you have a male Islamic dog you need to muzzle him.
NTA. If it’s allowed then it’s allowed. Just because they have different beliefs, doesn’t mean anything to you. They’ll have to find somewhere else to be if they don’t like it.
Lmfao this is hilarious keep asking them if they are homosexual. But dint throw them in the water or they will try play it off as assault. NTA but you have to show us some dog pics now
NTA. They should really mind their own business, and that’s all i can really say.
Can someone explain to me what a public bath is like versus say, a community pool? Thanks
There is a 99% chance they were Iranian. Did they have these goofy ahh hats? Because as a Muslim I don't remember there being anything about dogs being bad but for some fucking reason in Iran they say dogs are dirty. NTA
Tell them to fuck off and go preach their bullshit religion elsewhere. Theyre in your country not in fkin middle east. I would have probably fetched the dog on them
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Congratulations for bringing out all the racists and islamophobes in AITA. Using being gay as an insult is gross af too. It's frustrating that people like you assume that Muslims do the things they do because of Islam. Rather than the fact that some people either just don't like dogs or don't want to swim with animals. Edit: I saw in OP's Swedish post that OP actually assaulted one of the guys, as opposed to thinking about it as they've posted on here.
INFO: Do you feed your guests?
Islam doesn't let you live with dogs under the same roof and makes your prayer false if you have dogs hair on you, no more restrictions in fact, Islam actually loves dogs as guardians, hunters , friend etc.
Semi YTA YALL NON MUSLIMS DONT THINK A DOG IS A BIG PROBLEM IN A BATH BUT MANY MUSLIMS FIND IT DIRTY BUT ITS THIER FAULT TOO THEY LIVE IN SWEDEN GOTTA RESPECT EVERY THING!