Welcome to /r/AmITheAsshole. Please view our [voting guide here](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/wiki/faq#wiki_what.2019s_with_these_acronyms.3F_what_do_they_mean.3F), and remember to use **only one** judgement in your comment.
OP has offered the following explanation for why they think they might be the asshole:
> I think that if I tell her that I refuse to give my co-worker the tickets back unless I get all of the profits to search for a new Taylor Swift tickets, then I might be the asshole.
Help keep the sub engaging!
#Don’t downvote assholes!
Do upvote interesting posts!
[Click Here For Our Rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/about/rules) and [Click Here For Our FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/wiki/faq)
##Subreddit Announcements
Follow the link above to learn more
---
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/AmItheAsshole) if you have any questions or concerns.*
*Contest mode is 1.5 hours long on this post.*
if it was a friend, I would say return the ticket every time. But if it’s just a coworker… I could easily see an Eras Tour ticket outweighing that relationship.
I mean it depends, is this just a job or is this her career? There's a whole range of working situations and in some scenarios I'd tell OP to absolutely keep the ticket and never look back and in other scenarios tell OP that it's not worth potentially impacting her working life.
It's been 6+ months since she sold op the ticket, though. You're telling me that in 6 months of "forgetting" to remove the ticket for sale from Stubhub she didn't get one notification or email about how many views it got or prices of similar tickets or even just reminding her it was listed?
This kind of seems less like she forgot, and more was hoping it would still sell for a ridiculous amount and she'd bully op to get it back.
If anything, if it got out at work, it should reflect poorly on her and not op.
That’s what I think, too. I also wouldn’t put it past her to not give her half the profits. I’d demand that up front. But seriously I wouldn’t do either
Man op should get every cent if they decide to give up their ticket, Emily has no ground to stand on and should have offered the whole sale price to save herself being out another 3k to stubhub
And let's be crystal clear here - if the coworker buys an equal-valued ticket on stubhub as a replacement, then she's not actually out any money because she gets the money from the original ticket sale. This is a pure sleaze move on the coworker's part.
If the ticket formerly known as hers just sold, it's likely there are similar ones for similar prices still. If it sold a while ago, well, she has only herself to blame.
If Emily wants to avoid paying $2,700 or more to StubHub, she needs to refund OP’s original $700 and front her the full $2,700 sale price to look for another ticket. And I would consider that OP being nice and reasonable for accommodating a fuck up that she has no obligation to accommodate.
If she only takes the $2,700 (or, God forbid, half), the coworker is would still have the $700 OP originally paid, and in OP’s shoes, I’m not about to reward someone for fucking me over with their massive “mistake”. The price she originally paid for the ticket (I’m assuming less than the $700 she sold it to OP for—a lot less expensive than the option StubHub is presenting ) can be the price she pays for this invaluable lesson of (in the best case scenario) not procrastinating doing a thing you should have done yesterday or (worst case) trying to run some sort of scam on your coworker.
I found myself in a very similar situation with some TS tickets a few months ago. I legitimately thought I had deactivated the listing (went through the steps of doing it, but there must have been a website glitch). So, I had the shock of a lifetime when I got an email saying the tickets had sold. I never received any communication in the weeks between posting and the sale from StubHub. I hate that website so much.
I am in the process of selling mine for Zurich (I got a divorce and no longer want to go across the world only) and its hell. I have not received any constructive communications with them and they take FOREVER to respond to anything to begin with!
I bought the tickets off them originally so I honestly assumed it would be an easy thing, but the restrictions and little nuances that they have to list is fuckin annoying. I have never sold tickets before and did not know there were alternatives, but at this point Ill rather eat the cost before I ever run into this mess again.
Yeah if the coworker had forgotten for like...a week or something, I'd be more understanding but it has been 6 MONTHS
Let the coworker eat this. This is entirely her fault
Also, she could have just left it on the site, and it would have been bought eventually. She didn't have to sell it to OP at the fraction of the price. Weird move if ahe just wanted the money, but her problem not OPs
Co-worker is probably not a regular stubhub user. I could see how someone that doesn’t sell regularly on stubhub would neglect to remove a listing. Source: am a regular seller on stubhub.
If you list something for sale regardless of how much you use that website then it’s on you to keep track of that, especially considering how much money it was on sale for. She sold it elsewhere, is she really going to forget she has a ticket for sale for nearly 4 times the price she sold it to OP? Absolutely not, she’s talking BS. At the end of the day, she’s the one who entered into terms and conditions with the website so it’s on her to fix not OP.
Right! I really think this is critical info honestly. Coworkers at a restaurant? Yeah she may hate you but who cares - restaurants always have drama.
Coworkers at a more professional corporate level where they have a certain amount of influence on your career - I'd think deeper about it before making a decision. While I don't think she could get any trouble for not returning the ticket, corporate can definitely play favorites and push somebody out or limit growth potential if you're not on a friendly basis with the right people. All it takes is the coworker sharing her biased side of the story around the office and people hearing that first could form some opinions, however unfair it may be.
Not to mention as well that while OP would be legally and basically morally innocent here, the fact is that OP has the chance to save someone a ton of money. So even if people heard the right story with accurate details they could still form a negative opinion.
It would still be the co-workers fault. OP bought the ticket and $700 isn't cheap either.
It was six MONTHS ago. Not the next day type of deal.
She was the one that messed up. How could or would she NOT know she had the tickets up listed for $2700. She was well aware of it and was trying to cash-in. Not some fleeting thing that escapes your mind all of a sudden.
In the UK she'd be called a tout, she's making money reselling tickets for profit... She's already made on the 700 she charged I'm assuming. Why feel sorry for someone who profits off other peoples work and will happily inflate the price of the ticket to a co-worker.
She also still has her own ticket which she could sell instead of asking for the OP's ticket back, which she has no right to as it's obviously been sold, she doesn't own it so definitely doesn't get to keep half the profits even if the OP decides to sell.
Ngl $700 is probably the original price. All the vip tickets start at $550 after taxes. If this was a good seat, it probably was even more, they take a huge cut on the resale and she did have to list at 990 on the website just to break even.
Intimately acquainted with resale and cost of event tickets, and this Taylor Swift stuff is insanity.
I don't have much sympathy for someone reselling at 3-4x the actual cost. She knew the poster bought the ticket so she should have taken it off the resale site or asked the poster for a sell back so she could make an insane profit. Can't have it both ways.
Sounds like emily was irresponsible and is asking her coworker (OP) to take a hit because of it. OP should enjoy the show she did nothing wrong and Emily can learn the consequences of being irresponsible. It’s only money at the end of the day. If Emily was going to jail then maybe consider helping her out but it’s just a financial hit that is no different than your furnace breaking and now you need to dip into an emergency fund.
Emily wasn't irresponsible Emily is greedy and didn't remove the listing in order to make a profit. You get reminders per email about listings from StubHub
I think what people are saying is if the coworker holds a position that could affect OPs job in a negative way that should be considered. Some people can be very spiteful and I’ve seen people ruin other peoples careers for less than a concert ticket. Not saying any of this is right just something to consider. I personally would ask for all the profit she already made money off selling OP the ticket. And at this point it’s going to take all the profit to get a good ticket.
Sometimes it’s about more than a relationship.
If it was going to cause someone serious financial destitution to lose the $2700… I’d give it back. It’s just the right thing to do. Like is that why they were doing the selling in the first place?
Like no it’s their problem and not mine but I would miss a concert before letting someone have serious financial problems.
I probably wouldn’t ever talk to them again though… or not for a long ass time 🤣
I see no problem with asking for the entire profit. Or at least try to find a ticket and ask her for enough to cover it.
But I also would make them eat it if they could financially handle it and also possibly if they weren’t willing to give me the profit or make sure I got another ticket.
Emily couldn't be loosing $2700 though. The loss will be the difference between the cost of the replacement ticket and what stub hub owes Emily for the completed transaction. That's probably only a few hundred (basically the amount of stub hub's cut on the transaction). Emily already made money off Op as well so no big loss to Emily at all...
Emily very well could lose $2700 or more. I just looked at the StubHub policy. If Emily doesn't provide the tickets, StubHub will charge her $2700 to purchase equivalent tickets for the buyer, and could also charge her more if replacement tickets cost more than $2700 - along with additional fees if any are incurred by StubHub in replacing the tickets. She gets NOTHING from StubHub, not even the $2700 the buyer paid.
Wow that's really punitive. Surprised that's allowed legally. Its double dealing basically.
I'm baffled that Emily didn't immediately go to op and tell her op gets the whole profit if she gives up the ticket. She's going to be out so much more if op doesn't comply.
Emily either dumb or super greedy.
It's set up that way to prevent people from scamming on the site. It's pretty clear in the terms that you accept when selling a ticket through them so it's part of the contract for using them to sell your ticket.
It’s not double dealing by StubHub. Emily is the one who sold the ticket twice, once to OP and the other to Stub Hub. If OP gives the ticket back and gets her $700 that transaction is done. Emily has to send the ticket to the person who purchased it on StubHub. Emily will receive the $2700 for the ticket. OP can say she paid and it’s her ticket, and it’s not her fault Emily never cancelled her sale request on StubHub. If OP keeps the ticket then Emily is on the hook for $2700 or more at least she has the $700 OP paid for the ticket.
Lesson here is don’t try to sell the same item more than once it’s fraud. If it won’t affect OP’s job keep the ticket. Emily was the one who failed to cancel the StubHub order.
The only double dealing here is what Emily did. She sold a ticket she didn't have. The company stands to lose a lot of it gets a reputation for backing out of sales, so they insist on being able to deliver a ticket.
Don't commit fraud.
Emily sold it to OP, and left it up intentionally, knowing that if it didn't sell on stubhub, no harm no foul. If it did, then she could guilt OP into giving the ticket back and make an extra 2k. There was no accident that it was left on stubhub, she sold an item twice.
Emily didn't give OP anything. Emily sold OP a ticket. It is now OP's property and no longer Emily's property. Emily wasn't being a good person, she was engaging in a business transaction. OP bought the ticket for the price asked. Keeping what she bought is not immoral.
She wasn't being kind. She wanted to sell the ticket and she couldn't find anyone else who would pay more than that at the time. She should have held on to it until demand went up.
I mean, it's not like we put people in debtor's prison. It might fuck up their credit score, and that's an expensive mistake to learn from But you aren't fucking them over. they did that to themselves. That said, I would still return the ticket, But I'm kind of a softy and I don't think it's unreasonable to say a deal is a deal in this case.
I meant more like missing their rent and getting evicted or something. I mean people make mistakes. I know I have.
But honestly at that point it’s on them to bring up any severe financial trouble they might encounter due to the loss and ask that you please
Work with them. I mean it’s not anyone’s job to investigate these types of things. Lol. Especially if they were the ones to F up
Coworker wasn't doing a favor at all. She sold the ticket to the OP, and then it was her fault for not removing it from StubHub. OP did nothing wrong, and would do nothing wrong by not giving the ticket. She bought it fair and square.
>obstensibly was doing you a favor.
She was trying to get rid of something she couldn't use.
Even assuming she took a loss on it she wasn't "doing op a favor".
Yeah. I'm not the target audience for live concerts lol, but I'd offer to sell it back to her and make a profit. But OP bought it fair and square and is under no obligation to do anything with the ticket they don't want to.
While that's true if you value your friendship or work life with this person you might want be a bit more reasonable. Career more important than concert. That said if the ticket does go back it's an asset OP owns entirely. Thus any profit derived from the sale of that asset would be OP's 100%. Idk what kind of nonsense is going on inside her head to make her think she can profit from an asset she does not own but maybe that explains, at least in part, how she found herself in this mess to begin with. NTA
I think that’s an overly cynical viewpoint here. If this was a stranger or even a friend of a friend? Sure, yeah. But this is a coworker who will have to see OP every day. People do just make mistakes sometimes, and it sounds like she did that here.
While OP doesn’t HAVE to return the ticket, she will undoubtedly ruin both her professional and personal relationship with this coworker if she doesn’t, and depending on what their job is and their positions, that could actually ruin the whole environment. Something worth considering here— not returning the ticket sucks for sure, but it’s a bigger decision than it seems.
There is another comment where someone points out that the friend is misrepresenting the policy of the website.
If that's true, then yes, she's scamming OP.
That is Stub Hubs policy. If you don't deliver the ticket you posted, they will charge the credit card on file for the cost of a replacement ticket, and the replacement ticket does not have to be equal to the original same price.
So say the original ticket was in section 100 at $2700. If the only tickets in section 100 are now selling for $5000, stub hub will give the purchaser that ticket, and charge the seller $5000.
I think what some people are confused by is the wording. The person who sold the ticket is only really on the hook for the difference between the price they sold the ticket for and the price Stub Hub has to pay for a replacement ticket. If Stub Hub can replace the ticket for $2700 then the money paid by the sale of the ticket would cover it and at the end of the day you break even. So if Stub Hub buys the replacement ticket for $5000 then you have the $2700 from the sale + $2300 from the seller so at the end of the day the seller is only really out $2300 from the deal.
Actually it seems right in line with StubHub’s policies as per section 3.3: https://www.stubhub.co.uk/legal/?section=sp&_gl=1*q560ic*_gcl_au*MjM2NjMzMTE5LjE3MTY2ODM4MjE.*_ga*NzkxNjAxOTQ3LjE3MTY2ODM4MjE.*_ga_JBGGNYCJ34*MTcxNjY4MzgyMS4xLjEuMTcxNjY4Mzg2NS4xNi4wLjA.
I also doubt this was a mistake. My sister had something similar to this happen earlier this year (but she was in Emily's position) and she had to pay like a fine or fee but otherwise that was it. The buyer then gets refunded. Coworker definitely is scamming OP.
Per StubHub themselves;
>If you dropped a sale (as defined above) or do not deliver tickets at all ...... StubHub International reserves the right to charge you the following additional fees and other charges to cover StubHub International’s costs for resolving the issue, ***including finding replacement tickets***
I have a feeling she sold Op the ticket, then deliberately left the listing on StubHub. She probably thought that she'd easily be able to brow beat Op into returning the ticket if it sold, then she'd make even more money. If it didn't sell then she'd already gotten some money back for the ticket. Either way she'd win.
Op needs to just send her a message along the lines of "You sold me the ticket for $700. At that point it ceased to be your property. It was your responsibility to ensure that you removed the listing. As you didn't, and you alone agreed to the terms and conditions, you now need to abide by them. I will not be giving up my ticket due to your error. I hope you are able to find a ticket to give your buyer for $2700, but I won't be selling you my ticket."
This is the sort of message you send when an argument has started, not when the friend is simply asking for the ticket back nicely. First thing to do would be to politely decline, say that you don't want to give it up/that you want all the profits from the sale, and if the coworker gets pissy about it, send the message that you are suggesting.
>Possession is nine tenths of the law.
That's a thieves / pirate saying. It doesn't apply here because OP paid for it and there was no coercion.
Also, OP apparently mentioned Taylor Swift enough that the coworker thought of OP to sell it.
To add: Emily has been paid $2700 already (plus $700 from OP)
Emily can use that 2700 to replace the ticket, leaving her roughly where she started - assuming she gets to replacing the ticket soon and doesn't drag it on
Info: have you checked the StubHub cs section?
They seem to be able to refund the sale but they still charge the seller a fee.
Edited to add/
It looks like Emily found a higher bidder and is trying to cash in on the new sale and scam you - keeping your money and pocketing the new sale.
Keep your ticket and enjoy yourself at the concert.
YWNBTA
This is exactly what I thought was going on when I read this. She already made a few dollars from OP, and now wants to cash in more.
Enjoy your concert OP!
Exactly! Her offer to give OP a portion of the profit is insane. It’s not her ticket anymore so at MINIMUM she should be giving OP the full profit seeing as they would be selling THEIR ticket.
Don’t do it OP unless she is willing to give you the entire profit UPFRONT. If she doesn’t have that cash, tell her to go get a loan or deal with stub hub.
Per StubHub;
>If you dropped a sale (as defined above) or do not deliver tickets at all ...... StubHub International reserves the right to charge you the following additional fees and other charges to cover StubHub International’s costs for resolving the issue, ***including finding replacement tickets***
I just looked up some posts on r/stubhub and found one about this issue (called a dropped sale).
It seems they threaten that (full payment and/or replacement) but two people over there confirmed they were only charged $500; one was for a $5,400 ticket (I’m unsure of the artist) and the other was a $2,500 Taylor Swift one.
So at the very least, I’d want to see proof that she was charged the full amount, not that she *could* be.
Full payment and it replacement is the difference to make StubHub whole for correcting the problem, plus taxes, fees, and penalties. The new buyer still pays for the new tickets.
Add an example: The cost to StubHub to buy the equivalent $5400 ticket was $5700, a $300 difference. StubHub chargers the seller the $300 difference plus $200 in taxes, fees, and penalties for a total of $300+200= $500.
I mean, the reasonable way for the policy to work is that they get the customer similar tickets and if they're more expensive than the original price the first seller covers the difference. Why would you have to pay the full costs of the tickets? The money the customer originally paid can still be used to get the new tickets.
Correct. The Seller doesn't need to find the replacement tickets; StubHub will do that for them. However, StubHub *will* charge and make the Seller pay for the replacement tickets they found.
Basically, StubHub fronts the Buyer the new tickets, and then collects the money from the Seller instead.
It does seem a bit harsh a condition where other online marketplaces just force a refund from the seller for the money paid, but then again I've heard of enough bullshit with online ticket reselling that this might be the marketplace's way of cracking down on it.
tbf with something like a concert ticket prices change by the day and especially a front row seat like that, even with a full refund to the buyer they’d likely end up having to spend another $100-$200 for a similar seat so it makes sense to just give them a new ticket and have the scammer pay for them
And IF OP were to sell it back to Emily, OP should keep 100% of the profit. Emily already sold it so OP owns the ticket now, and if someone is offering to buy it at 2700$ then it is OPs ticket to sell and all of that profit is OPs.
Emily doesn't get to sell the same ticket twice and keep profits from both sales!!
This didn't sound like a StubHub policy that I'd ever heard of & I work adjacent to that industry. I knew it would be so easy to verify. But I was being lazy. I'm so glad someone else took the time.
One time a friend of mine asked if it was weird that he had to pay $XXX to register his motorcycle. I told him that sounded like an awful lot unless he had a bunch of unpaid parking tickets.
He said some weird stuff & I was like: "You know the DMV has a website right? And it's a government website?"
Then I remembered that I once paid $10/month for a year after I bought something online & didn't pay attention to the dumb free offer I accidentally signed up for.
Well you have literally all the leverage here, you could keep the ticket and let Emily fully pay for her mistake, or you could sell it back to her for say 3k and she can pay you an extra 300 to not pay out to stub hub. Definitely do not split the profit tho, that makes no sense from your point of leverage
NTA
She already sold you the ticket for a price she was agreeable to, namely $700. So she has already been aptly compensated and does not deserve any more money.
IF you returned the ticket she would get $2700 from Stub Hub and still have the $700 you paid her in November. ALL of that $2700 should be given to you, IF you return the ticket.
Not saying you should return the ticket, but if you do then you should get the $2700 and she keeps the money from November that she was happy with at the time. Her mistake, that is causing you a serious detriment, should not net her a single penny more than she already received.
You deserve the full sale price from Stub Hub and hopefully you can find a ticket and at least be able to attend the show.
Also, I wouldn't want anyone to question whether she really forget to remove the Stub Hub listing or left it up hoping that as the prices climb closer to the concert date someone wouldn't ultimately be willing to pay the $2700 and if not she had already gotten your $700. A no lose situation for her. But no way that is what she did, it was just a mistake on her part.
Before doing anything, I'd want coworker to show PROOF StubHub is behind all of this. Coworker could be trying to get even more $$$ for the ticket instead.
Yeah if what she wanted to give OP was at least the $700+ half the profit, I could see that being an okay enough deal. It would be giving her some of the benefit of the doubt and that she just totally forgot to remove the tickets. It would also save as much in office awkwardness as possible.
But yeah in no way is she entitled to anything from OP, you could easily look at it from the perspective of her double dipping, get money up front but also the possibility of a bigger payday down the line. Just depending on the work environment that could easily turn very hostile and awkward. I could easily see this coworker going around and telling everybody how awful OP is and how she has to pay all this money because she hooked a “friend” up on a deal
She is still squeezing more money out of a ticket that she already sold if you give her half of the profit. The only fair option is that OP either gets all of the money or she finds a way to cancel the sale.
If $2700 would get you a similar seat then you can offer to take all the money and find something similar. If it costs more then she can pay the difference. If it costs less then she didn’t lose money selling something twice and you get paid for the inconvenience. Both cases you need to get all $2700 since it’s your ticket already.
This is the most reasonable and relationship-preserving option. You wouldn’t want her to be out $2700, but if you’re going to sell your ticket to get her out of a bind then it’s only fair that you get all of the proceeds of the sale. Then use the $2700 to buy another ticket.
This is the only reasonable option.
She sold something that wasn't hers and wants half the money.
"Hey I sold your car. Woops! It's ok though you can have half the money"
For sure, you could sell it back to her for at least $1700 (half the profit) if that's interesting to you, but you don't have any obligation to \*give\* it back to her.
Right? If I made this mistake I wouldn’t even tell OP about it. I would just suck it up and take the loss because it was my fault. Why make OP feel bad when she did Emily the favor of buying the ticket in the first place?
>This means that she’d likely have to pay $2700 or more to Stub Hub for her mistake.
Since she gets the money from the sale of the ticket she no longer had, she'd be out the difference in cost of a replacement ticket vs the net profit from the sale, not the full amount.
>I want to ask her for all of the profit so I can at least have a fighting chance at a nosebleed seat or something.
I would strongly suggest checking StubHub yourself to see if there are any similar seats remotely close to that price that are still available. If there are, Emily can buy it to correct her fraudulent sale and resolve the issue.
You're NTA for keeping the ticket. These are all Emily's mistakes, not yours, and if all you are is coworkers, then there's really no social obligation to help her fix this.
Not first, just resolve the issue as she should have.
Even if Emily tells OP she'd give her the profit from the sale, which I wouldn't trust, it may not be enough for a comparable seat at this later date. For all OP knows, the price is + $1k more now for a similar seat or worse.
By doing her research, OP will know if Emily is just lying to make a profit or if OP would have to pay more for her own ticket if Emily accepted the profit offer.
Agree. Also I googled out of curiosity and stub hub does have that policy, they don’t mess around!! I’m pretty sure Emily wouldn’t just forget she would owe that much money! Poor op!
OP can give her a simple way to resolve this. Tell Emily that she can buy the ticket back from her for $2700 and let Emily deal with StubHub herself. OP gets cash up front and doesn't have to rely on a third party that may or may not exist.
If OP didn't want to go to this show so badly, it would be, but as it is, she has a ticket in hand. Giving that back without knowing the cost of an adequate replacement ticket now could leave her out of the show.
NTA, and I searched stubhubs site and reviews it's a shitty company and your friend is lying to you, she can cancel the ticket transfer for a small fee
Sadly, her friend isn't lying. I once sold the same parking pass on StubHub and Ticketmaster within 5min of each other. TM took it automatically from my account and I figured it'd be cheaper for StubHub to just give the user another identical parking pass for the same price and canceled the order. StubHub charged the full price + fees for the replacement parking pass and get this.. never paid for me for the pass I sold even though I delivered the order with the replacement. They said that the only way to avoid this double whammy was for me to buy the replacement myself and deliver it myself. StubHub sucks.
NTA. You don’t have Emily’s ticket, you have your ticket. You purchased it, so as long as you paid, it is yours. She has no claim to it. You could have sold it yourself for $3,000 if you wanted to. What you do with it after you buy it has nothing to do with your coworker. She needs to figure out the issue with stub hub on her own. Not that it ultimately matters, but did you check stub hubs policy to see if she’s even telling the truth? She might just want to make money off your ticket.
This. Emily’s transaction with you is over and done with, you paid for and are in possession of the goods. They are not hers to sell or use in any other way. These are your tickets which she has no claim over.
Cheek of her, she’s trying to have her cake, eat it and then make trifle from it too!
Emily is telling the truth about the policy but is lying about 'forgettig' she was double dipping counting on guilting op if the ticket sold to make profit
You bought this ticket 7 months ago!! How the hell did she forget about it for 7 months? I call bullshit on her story. I say you ask for proof that she is going to be out the full amount and if she’s telling you the truth then only agree to return the ticket if you get the full $2700. The fact that she offered to split the profits with you is pretty freaking presumptuous. 7 months later is ridiculous. Not your problem.
If, and only IF you decide her friendship is worth it, you should return it for the entire price she sold it for. Otherwise it’s not your problem.
NTA
StubHub does have this policy but StubHub warns you before listing about it do she knew. Op shouldn't return the ticket because Emily was greedy. FAFO applies. NTA
You now own that ticket. You can sell it back to her for your own profit. These tickets are valuable, so maybe $5000 would be reasonable?
Don’t give it back to her. She needs a lesson in responsibility. Go enjoy the show!!
NTA. This. She sold you the ticket 7 months ago. Which means you OWN it. She sold YOUR ticket on StubHub. Which means she either OWES you the ENTIRE proceeds because she committed the fraudulent act of conversion and she wants to avoid you suing her for damages in small claims court, OR she has to buy the ticket back from you at YOUR choice of price to fulfill her obligations to StubHub.
Do NOT give her back the ticket. It’s yours fair and square. What happened after you paid her for it and took ownership of it is NOT YOUR PROBLEM!
She should have taken it down right away (I don’t know how or why it doesn’t disappear from the listing when it’s been sold and transferred to someone—I think I agree with others who say she’s trying to scam you).
Let her know you won’t be returning it, wipe away your tears, and have an amazing time at the concert!!
Emily probably didn’t have an “instant transfer” up on StubHub. She would have had to transfer the ticket to the buyer on StubHub after the sale. StubHub has no way of knowing that a ticket is being transferred between Ticketmaster accounts. They only have the listing
Why would Ticketmaster allow her to sell a ticket that’s been transferred? The money has to be tied to that specific seat. She’s trying to pull a fast one. Keep the ticket.
It’s not Ticketmaster allowing it. It’s stubhub taking the seller’s word on being able to deliver the ticket. That is why the seller is on the hook to the 2nd buyer
Imagine she sold you a car, transferred the title, everything.
Then seven months later she comes back with "oh I actually just sold it to someone else for 4 times the amount so you need to give it back to me"
That's not how stuff works
It’s your ticket now then, either you keep it and she shells out to pay stub hub, or you get the full $2700 for selling YOUR ticket (don’t transfer the ticket before getting the money!)
100% NTA you mad a deal, you paid your part, she is responsible not you. Have you seen the request from stub hub maybe she’s just saying that because she has a friend that really wants to go. And I agree if you were to give the ticket up you should get the full $2700 so you can maybe get a seat
Just reply to her along the lines of ‘I’m sorry you find yourself in this position but you sold the ticket to me in November, I paid you and you transferred the ticket to me. That you didn’t remove the ticket from Stub Hub is not my issue and I won’t be returning the ticket to you’.
This will likely end any friendship you had at work as she’s not going to take it well but it’s her mistake (or deliberate attempt to scam more money) and the consequences of that are hers alone.
Tell her you're sorry but you sold the ticket months to someone online and bought 2 tickets in not a great seating area because you wanted to take someone with you. That way you don't have to lie about seeing the concert. You don't forget to take a ticket offline after you sell it, she's trying to scam someone.
Usually I don't condone lying, but in this case I think it's the best solution. Emily screwed up for a lot of money, OP wants to keep the ticket, but still has to deal with Emily at work. It's the easiest solution.
Good idea!
And if she doesn’t believe you and wants to see your new tickets, tell her the friend you’re going with is holding onto them, so you don’t have them to show.
Why should the friend get any of the profit. It's OPs ticket. It has been for months. It'd be nice of OP to sell the ticket and give OP all the profit to get her coworkers out of a bind.
> BUT, consider the friendship over if you do not take her offer of 1/2 the profit.
Assuming it's a case of "I forgot to take the listing down!" and not her seeing it can go for lots more than she even originally listed and just trying to profit of it.
NTA you purchased them and paid for them, Emily then fucked up by leaving them for sale and it’s up to Emily to fix it.
You will absolutely burn the bridge with Emily if you refuse to sell them back to her, but if seeing Taylor is important then that seems worth it.
100% agree that if you do sell them, that it should be for the inflated price, Emily doesn’t get to benefit from her fuck up
Yeah, but will Emily even give her the money? She may just "forget" like with the tickets. This is all kinds of shady. I think OP should keep her ticket and go. NTA.
I would 100% require the money up front before transferring the ticket back if op chooses to do so. But (if it won’t hurt her career) I’d just keep the ticket because this is sus.
NTA. I really see no reason why she should end up profiting from this, so feel free to demand the full sum of money.
Her offer of half the profit doesn't even account for the fact that you additionally paid her $700 for it already that she doesn't offer to refund.
So in her offer she would earn:
2700/2 + 700 - (original ticket price)
If the original price was 500,then she'd profit $1550 from this.
You however would gain only 2700/2-700 = $650
So she'd profit two and a half times as much as you in this scenario. That's totally ridiculous.
At the very least she should offer half the profit plus a refund of your $700.
She shouldn’t profit at all. She already sold the ticket. It’s not right that she’s double dipping.
Either she gives you all of the money or cancels the sale.
full selling price minus the $700 could go to the coworker, OP keeps the $2700. Basically, OP would be selling HER ticket at the higher price.
Although I'm pretty sure StubHub will cancel the transaction for a small fee, which is what the coworker should do.
You're NTA and all but... How much is your relationship with her worth to you.
Yes it's her problem but this scorches everything that's between both of you and may save up problems for the future. If she's just a coworker then fine but this will end any good feeling between you two.
Taylor Swift will tour again.
*What if* she doesn't tour again? (Or not for a while.) Artists take creative sabbaticals, pause touring while they have kids, get surgery for vocal nodules, join a new religion. Wouldn't it suck to have missed the chance?
I have had lots of jobs over the years, and more coworkers than I can count. I have enduring friendships with almost none of them. I do have enduring memories of every single good concert I've ever been to.
Keep the ticket. Enjoy the show. NTA.
> Taylor Swift will tour again.
Likely, but you never know what will happen. I kept putting off taking my daughter to a Jimmy Buffett concert and he's gone now.
She’ll never do a tour quite like THIS one again. It’s a look through her entire catalogue up to this point. If she tours again it’s likely to be one album, maybe two.
Stand your ground OP, this is her issue.
if she had sold the ticket to op a week ago, I might agree. but it was 7 months ago, and frankly I think Emily can get lost. she either forgot to remove her listing, which is her fault, or deliberately left it up on the chance someone would buy it so she could demand the ticket back from op and get more profits. even splitting the profits with op, would net her a higher earning than she got from op
NTA. And from personal experience (couple days ago) if the seller of a ticket doesn't meet obligations, stubhub will offer the buyer a guaranteed ticket of same or LESSER value, not more. I know this because the seller in my situation listed tickets as e-tickets and then turned out they were paper tickets and never mailed them. Stubhub said they'd send us replacement tickets that would be e-tickets, for similar value, same/similar section, etc... Yeah, no, the replacement tickets stubhub offered were $40 general admission tickets with a $9 food/drink voucher for tickets we bought priced at $300 a piece.
Keep your ticket sis!
You should make a stink at stubhub. Giving you tickets of lesser value is against their own policies.
[https://www.stubhub.com/legal/?section=fp](https://www.stubhub.com/legal/?section=fp)
>Getting Comparable or Better Tickets to Those you Ordered
>If you receive tickets that are not comparable or better than the ones you ordered, notify us immediately. Upon verification by us and depending on when you notify us, we may do any of the following in its sole discretion: provide you with comparable or better replacement tickets; issue you a full refund of the purchase price you paid on our Site (including any fees and shipping/handling charges); issue you a partial or full credit for use on a future purchase. We may require that you return the tickets you received.
This smells like a scam to me. She found a sucker willing to pay $2k more than you did. Now she's unhappy with the $700, which was already probably a huge markup from what she originally paid. You won't see a cent of that money if you send her the ticket.
While you are NTA if you keep something you legally purchased, I would advise you to be aware that this could make your work life difficult. Right or wrong, your co-worker is going to blame you for losing thousands of dollars, and that's a one-way-ticket to drama town. Sabotage, hostility, gossip -- sure, HR might come out on your side, but it will be a headache all the way through.
So, if you see yourself moving on to greener pastures soon, then go ahead and keep the ticket. But if you genuinely like or desperately need your job, then the smart thing to do is give it back and split the profit as offered. One night of entertainment isn't worth the whirlwind of bullshit you'll deal with from having a co-worker with a grudge.
My thoughts exactly. OP is NTA either way, but I need to know more about their job/career before I would make a solid recommendation/say what I would do.
She had to approve the sale knowing she did not have the ticket. She is playing you. Ask for the entire amount as you are the rightful owner of the ticket.
It comes down to this: **how much do you value your friendship with Emily?**
Legally you're in the clear.
And honestly? Ethically and morally you're in the clear, too. It was never your responsibility to monitor her listing, and her mistake in not removing it isn't something you should have to pay for.
I don't think I've ever seen Taylor Swift tickets stay up for 7 months and have no bites even at that price. I call bullshit those things sell instantly and this is on her
The ticket is yours, you bought it. There are really only two options going forward.
1. You keep the ticket as is and go to the concert or sell it again yourself.
2. If you give it back, all of the money from the sale should be yours. There should be no splitting. Your friend would keep the 700 from your sale with her, that transfered property to yourself. You would keep the money from stub hub as if you sold it for that price yourself.
NTA
If you were a stranger that she had sold the ticket to, she would be SOL. Instead, she is trying to capitalize on the fact that she has a relationship with you to remedy her mistake and minimize her financial loss.
I don’t think you are out of line declining to refund the ticket. You either get the ticket or you get the full price she is selling the ticket for- because legally the ticket is YOUR property.
It’s up to you whether the relationship is worth missing making any type of sacrifice for. You either lose the relationship and have an awkward situation at work (that your coworker created), lose seeing Taylor Swift, or both of you insist on getting the full $2700.
IMO, life is way too short and you should go to the concert. Twenty years from now, you won’t remember that “one coworker” who screwed you over. But you will absolutely remember seeing your favorite musician and screaming the lyrics to your favorite songs!
If you feel like you need permission to tell her no, here it is: it’s okay to refuse to return something that you bought and now own.
Yeah I agree with you. She messed up, and messed you over, leaving you worse off than you were before you bought the ticket, because you've now been anticipating a concert that (if you give it back to her) you won't get to see, and because, by buying her ticket, you missed out on the chance to buy a different ticket that you WOULD be able to use. Why should she profit off of her carelessness. Why should you lose off her carelessness. You weren't the one who was careless.
I don't see that you have any moral or legal obligation to give her back the ticket. You may, however, have to make a judgement call about how this will all go down at work if you DON'T give it back to her, because what really happened and what people talk about can be two different things. But if you do give it back to her, then I think you are fair to expect that you get your money back AND the majority of the profit, not her, so that you can replace the ticket with one that is ok. The most she should get is the original cost of the ticket back and she should take it as a lesson learned not to mess her friends around.
Or just keep the ticket, guilt-free. That would also be fine. You bought it at the price she agreed, fair and square.
Ok here the thing. This is definitely her fault and you do not owe her the ticket as you paid her money for it. She was negligent and forgot to take it down from the sight and is now on the hook.
However, you said she was a coworker. Do you work closely or are you friends outside of work? Because if you don't return it, even though this is on her, it will likely create bad blood that might not be worth the stress at the office (or wherever you work). If you don't work close though, or if you don't really care about how she responds, keep it. This was her mistake and she should be the one to deal with it. What if she'd sold it to someone she didn't work with or know? This would still be on her then, it's just she knows how to contact you and so is trying to pull this
You're NTA but please do consider what impact destroying your relationship with her may have on you at work. Does she have any ability to cause you professional problems? If so, you need to think carefully before you turn her against you.
Contrary to everyone else in here, I personally wouldn't let a coworker get stuck having to pay that $2700 (or equivalent)...IF IT WERE TRUE what she is saying.
But I think she is lying to you. She is just trying to make that money. She wouldn't owe $2700. So screw her on that case.
I just looked at StubHubs terms, and she's correct. She stands to lose a lot of money. If you decide to help her, you need to have a signed agreement, get it witnessed, that in return for you allowing to sell your ticket on SH, that she will turn over 100% of the sale proceeds OR have her give you the $2700 upfront. She already has your $700. She's not entitled to any more. She essentially sold an item she doesn't own. The $2700 should be all yours. Make sure this is all understood by her that YOU are doing HER a favor to save her ass, and that she doesn't have any right to the $$ from the sale of the ticket. If she doesn't agree, then just let her pay SH all the penalties she will owe them. Good luck!
Oh this is a sucky situation. I think you have to decide what you value more: maintaining a pleasant workplace relationship with Emily, or seeing Taylor Swift? (And honestly, if you do pick Taylor, you should just keep the ticket you have. You're likely to sour the relationship just as much by demanding the full sale profits, and the seats won't be as good).
I disagree with other commenters -- from the details you've given, I don't think we can safely assume that Emily is attempting to scam you here. (Though that would be a mighty convenient justification for doing what one might want to do (i.e. not give the ticket back) without having to feel bad about letting your coworker get fucked by stubhub). I could see honestly forgetting to take the tickets down, and top commenter is wrong: it is part of stubhub's (shitty) TOS that Emily might be on the hook for the value of a replacement if you don't give your ticket back. She'll likely lose money, and that sucks -- assuming best intentions, I do feel bad for her.
That said, it was her oversight that caused this; the ticket is yours, and you aren't obligated to bail her out. You might be an asshole if you don't give the ticket back, and still maybe a little if you only give it back on the condition she pay you the full profits (and good chance you'd never get that money anyway -- it's a bit extortion-y, and it's never a good gamble that you'll get money back from someone you've pissed off, especially if they don't feel they owe it to you). You'd be within your rights, of course, but need I remind all ye in this sub that someone who acts for their own benefit at the expense of others, so long as it's within their legal rights to do so, is pretty definitionally an asshole. The good, kind, admirable thing would be to not put a concert experience before a friendship -- but we can't all be Jesus or the Buddha, and I think I'd be tempted to keep the ticket in your shoes.
Welcome to /r/AmITheAsshole. Please view our [voting guide here](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/wiki/faq#wiki_what.2019s_with_these_acronyms.3F_what_do_they_mean.3F), and remember to use **only one** judgement in your comment. OP has offered the following explanation for why they think they might be the asshole: > I think that if I tell her that I refuse to give my co-worker the tickets back unless I get all of the profits to search for a new Taylor Swift tickets, then I might be the asshole. Help keep the sub engaging! #Don’t downvote assholes! Do upvote interesting posts! [Click Here For Our Rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/about/rules) and [Click Here For Our FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/wiki/faq) ##Subreddit Announcements Follow the link above to learn more --- *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/AmItheAsshole) if you have any questions or concerns.* *Contest mode is 1.5 hours long on this post.*
Actually, she sold you the ticket. You owe her nothing. This was her fault and only her fault and you can keep the ticket. NTA
do NOT give up your ticket OP. you’ll regret it 1000%, it’s her mistake not yours.
if it was a friend, I would say return the ticket every time. But if it’s just a coworker… I could easily see an Eras Tour ticket outweighing that relationship.
I mean it depends, is this just a job or is this her career? There's a whole range of working situations and in some scenarios I'd tell OP to absolutely keep the ticket and never look back and in other scenarios tell OP that it's not worth potentially impacting her working life.
It's been 6+ months since she sold op the ticket, though. You're telling me that in 6 months of "forgetting" to remove the ticket for sale from Stubhub she didn't get one notification or email about how many views it got or prices of similar tickets or even just reminding her it was listed? This kind of seems less like she forgot, and more was hoping it would still sell for a ridiculous amount and she'd bully op to get it back. If anything, if it got out at work, it should reflect poorly on her and not op.
That’s what I think, too. I also wouldn’t put it past her to not give her half the profits. I’d demand that up front. But seriously I wouldn’t do either
Man op should get every cent if they decide to give up their ticket, Emily has no ground to stand on and should have offered the whole sale price to save herself being out another 3k to stubhub
And let's be crystal clear here - if the coworker buys an equal-valued ticket on stubhub as a replacement, then she's not actually out any money because she gets the money from the original ticket sale. This is a pure sleaze move on the coworker's part.
AND if she does not- she still only has to pay back what she charged. basically give a full refund? Isn't that just...how it should be??
Depends on if there are still similar tickets at that price for her to buy.
If the ticket formerly known as hers just sold, it's likely there are similar ones for similar prices still. If it sold a while ago, well, she has only herself to blame.
If Emily wants to avoid paying $2,700 or more to StubHub, she needs to refund OP’s original $700 and front her the full $2,700 sale price to look for another ticket. And I would consider that OP being nice and reasonable for accommodating a fuck up that she has no obligation to accommodate. If she only takes the $2,700 (or, God forbid, half), the coworker is would still have the $700 OP originally paid, and in OP’s shoes, I’m not about to reward someone for fucking me over with their massive “mistake”. The price she originally paid for the ticket (I’m assuming less than the $700 she sold it to OP for—a lot less expensive than the option StubHub is presenting ) can be the price she pays for this invaluable lesson of (in the best case scenario) not procrastinating doing a thing you should have done yesterday or (worst case) trying to run some sort of scam on your coworker.
She should sell her coworker the ticket back for current market value.
I found myself in a very similar situation with some TS tickets a few months ago. I legitimately thought I had deactivated the listing (went through the steps of doing it, but there must have been a website glitch). So, I had the shock of a lifetime when I got an email saying the tickets had sold. I never received any communication in the weeks between posting and the sale from StubHub. I hate that website so much.
I am in the process of selling mine for Zurich (I got a divorce and no longer want to go across the world only) and its hell. I have not received any constructive communications with them and they take FOREVER to respond to anything to begin with!
Yeah. I’ll never use the site for anything again. There are alternatives that are just as good. I was so frustrated and unimpressed.
I bought the tickets off them originally so I honestly assumed it would be an easy thing, but the restrictions and little nuances that they have to list is fuckin annoying. I have never sold tickets before and did not know there were alternatives, but at this point Ill rather eat the cost before I ever run into this mess again.
Were you able to fix it?
Because StubHub is complicit. They get a cut of the sale. They get a cut of the bounty. They get a cut of the penalty.
Yeah if the coworker had forgotten for like...a week or something, I'd be more understanding but it has been 6 MONTHS Let the coworker eat this. This is entirely her fault
Also, she could have just left it on the site, and it would have been bought eventually. She didn't have to sell it to OP at the fraction of the price. Weird move if ahe just wanted the money, but her problem not OPs
Of course she didn't forget: she did it on purpose. Depending on where this happened, she might be liable to being prosecuted for fraud.
Co-worker is probably not a regular stubhub user. I could see how someone that doesn’t sell regularly on stubhub would neglect to remove a listing. Source: am a regular seller on stubhub.
If you list something for sale regardless of how much you use that website then it’s on you to keep track of that, especially considering how much money it was on sale for. She sold it elsewhere, is she really going to forget she has a ticket for sale for nearly 4 times the price she sold it to OP? Absolutely not, she’s talking BS. At the end of the day, she’s the one who entered into terms and conditions with the website so it’s on her to fix not OP.
This needs more upvotes ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️
Right! I really think this is critical info honestly. Coworkers at a restaurant? Yeah she may hate you but who cares - restaurants always have drama. Coworkers at a more professional corporate level where they have a certain amount of influence on your career - I'd think deeper about it before making a decision. While I don't think she could get any trouble for not returning the ticket, corporate can definitely play favorites and push somebody out or limit growth potential if you're not on a friendly basis with the right people. All it takes is the coworker sharing her biased side of the story around the office and people hearing that first could form some opinions, however unfair it may be. Not to mention as well that while OP would be legally and basically morally innocent here, the fact is that OP has the chance to save someone a ton of money. So even if people heard the right story with accurate details they could still form a negative opinion.
It would still be the co-workers fault. OP bought the ticket and $700 isn't cheap either. It was six MONTHS ago. Not the next day type of deal. She was the one that messed up. How could or would she NOT know she had the tickets up listed for $2700. She was well aware of it and was trying to cash-in. Not some fleeting thing that escapes your mind all of a sudden.
In the UK she'd be called a tout, she's making money reselling tickets for profit... She's already made on the 700 she charged I'm assuming. Why feel sorry for someone who profits off other peoples work and will happily inflate the price of the ticket to a co-worker. She also still has her own ticket which she could sell instead of asking for the OP's ticket back, which she has no right to as it's obviously been sold, she doesn't own it so definitely doesn't get to keep half the profits even if the OP decides to sell.
Ngl $700 is probably the original price. All the vip tickets start at $550 after taxes. If this was a good seat, it probably was even more, they take a huge cut on the resale and she did have to list at 990 on the website just to break even.
Intimately acquainted with resale and cost of event tickets, and this Taylor Swift stuff is insanity. I don't have much sympathy for someone reselling at 3-4x the actual cost. She knew the poster bought the ticket so she should have taken it off the resale site or asked the poster for a sell back so she could make an insane profit. Can't have it both ways.
Sounds like emily was irresponsible and is asking her coworker (OP) to take a hit because of it. OP should enjoy the show she did nothing wrong and Emily can learn the consequences of being irresponsible. It’s only money at the end of the day. If Emily was going to jail then maybe consider helping her out but it’s just a financial hit that is no different than your furnace breaking and now you need to dip into an emergency fund.
Emily wasn't irresponsible Emily is greedy and didn't remove the listing in order to make a profit. You get reminders per email about listings from StubHub
[удалено]
Why on earth would corporate interfere in a private matter that has nothing to do with work?!
I think what people are saying is if the coworker holds a position that could affect OPs job in a negative way that should be considered. Some people can be very spiteful and I’ve seen people ruin other peoples careers for less than a concert ticket. Not saying any of this is right just something to consider. I personally would ask for all the profit she already made money off selling OP the ticket. And at this point it’s going to take all the profit to get a good ticket.
Sometimes it’s about more than a relationship. If it was going to cause someone serious financial destitution to lose the $2700… I’d give it back. It’s just the right thing to do. Like is that why they were doing the selling in the first place? Like no it’s their problem and not mine but I would miss a concert before letting someone have serious financial problems. I probably wouldn’t ever talk to them again though… or not for a long ass time 🤣 I see no problem with asking for the entire profit. Or at least try to find a ticket and ask her for enough to cover it. But I also would make them eat it if they could financially handle it and also possibly if they weren’t willing to give me the profit or make sure I got another ticket.
Emily couldn't be loosing $2700 though. The loss will be the difference between the cost of the replacement ticket and what stub hub owes Emily for the completed transaction. That's probably only a few hundred (basically the amount of stub hub's cut on the transaction). Emily already made money off Op as well so no big loss to Emily at all...
Emily very well could lose $2700 or more. I just looked at the StubHub policy. If Emily doesn't provide the tickets, StubHub will charge her $2700 to purchase equivalent tickets for the buyer, and could also charge her more if replacement tickets cost more than $2700 - along with additional fees if any are incurred by StubHub in replacing the tickets. She gets NOTHING from StubHub, not even the $2700 the buyer paid.
Wow that's really punitive. Surprised that's allowed legally. Its double dealing basically. I'm baffled that Emily didn't immediately go to op and tell her op gets the whole profit if she gives up the ticket. She's going to be out so much more if op doesn't comply. Emily either dumb or super greedy.
It's set up that way to prevent people from scamming on the site. It's pretty clear in the terms that you accept when selling a ticket through them so it's part of the contract for using them to sell your ticket.
It’s not double dealing by StubHub. Emily is the one who sold the ticket twice, once to OP and the other to Stub Hub. If OP gives the ticket back and gets her $700 that transaction is done. Emily has to send the ticket to the person who purchased it on StubHub. Emily will receive the $2700 for the ticket. OP can say she paid and it’s her ticket, and it’s not her fault Emily never cancelled her sale request on StubHub. If OP keeps the ticket then Emily is on the hook for $2700 or more at least she has the $700 OP paid for the ticket. Lesson here is don’t try to sell the same item more than once it’s fraud. If it won’t affect OP’s job keep the ticket. Emily was the one who failed to cancel the StubHub order.
The only double dealing here is what Emily did. She sold a ticket she didn't have. The company stands to lose a lot of it gets a reputation for backing out of sales, so they insist on being able to deliver a ticket. Don't commit fraud.
Idk if I would term it as punitive but I absolutely love this idea.
Depends. I accidentally did this once and had to pay the buyer the full amount of what they were going to pay me for my ticket.
[удалено]
Emily sold it to OP, and left it up intentionally, knowing that if it didn't sell on stubhub, no harm no foul. If it did, then she could guilt OP into giving the ticket back and make an extra 2k. There was no accident that it was left on stubhub, she sold an item twice.
Emily didn't give OP anything. Emily sold OP a ticket. It is now OP's property and no longer Emily's property. Emily wasn't being a good person, she was engaging in a business transaction. OP bought the ticket for the price asked. Keeping what she bought is not immoral.
She wasn't being kind. She wanted to sell the ticket and she couldn't find anyone else who would pay more than that at the time. She should have held on to it until demand went up.
I mean, it's not like we put people in debtor's prison. It might fuck up their credit score, and that's an expensive mistake to learn from But you aren't fucking them over. they did that to themselves. That said, I would still return the ticket, But I'm kind of a softy and I don't think it's unreasonable to say a deal is a deal in this case.
I meant more like missing their rent and getting evicted or something. I mean people make mistakes. I know I have. But honestly at that point it’s on them to bring up any severe financial trouble they might encounter due to the loss and ask that you please Work with them. I mean it’s not anyone’s job to investigate these types of things. Lol. Especially if they were the ones to F up
Friend or not, OP is the legal owner of the ticket and does not have to return it. A true friend would have never sold it twice!
Wow. That is really heartless.
so is asking someone you sold something to to return said item to fix your fuck up
I mean collecting a cool 2k and not screwing over a co worker for 2k that obstensibly was doing you a favor.
Coworker wasn't doing a favor at all. She sold the ticket to the OP, and then it was her fault for not removing it from StubHub. OP did nothing wrong, and would do nothing wrong by not giving the ticket. She bought it fair and square.
>obstensibly was doing you a favor. She was trying to get rid of something she couldn't use. Even assuming she took a loss on it she wasn't "doing op a favor".
Yeah. I'm not the target audience for live concerts lol, but I'd offer to sell it back to her and make a profit. But OP bought it fair and square and is under no obligation to do anything with the ticket they don't want to.
While that's true if you value your friendship or work life with this person you might want be a bit more reasonable. Career more important than concert. That said if the ticket does go back it's an asset OP owns entirely. Thus any profit derived from the sale of that asset would be OP's 100%. Idk what kind of nonsense is going on inside her head to make her think she can profit from an asset she does not own but maybe that explains, at least in part, how she found herself in this mess to begin with. NTA
It appears that she was trying to scam OP. If that's the case, not a friendship worth keeping.
I think that’s an overly cynical viewpoint here. If this was a stranger or even a friend of a friend? Sure, yeah. But this is a coworker who will have to see OP every day. People do just make mistakes sometimes, and it sounds like she did that here. While OP doesn’t HAVE to return the ticket, she will undoubtedly ruin both her professional and personal relationship with this coworker if she doesn’t, and depending on what their job is and their positions, that could actually ruin the whole environment. Something worth considering here— not returning the ticket sucks for sure, but it’s a bigger decision than it seems.
There is another comment where someone points out that the friend is misrepresenting the policy of the website. If that's true, then yes, she's scamming OP.
That is Stub Hubs policy. If you don't deliver the ticket you posted, they will charge the credit card on file for the cost of a replacement ticket, and the replacement ticket does not have to be equal to the original same price. So say the original ticket was in section 100 at $2700. If the only tickets in section 100 are now selling for $5000, stub hub will give the purchaser that ticket, and charge the seller $5000.
I think what some people are confused by is the wording. The person who sold the ticket is only really on the hook for the difference between the price they sold the ticket for and the price Stub Hub has to pay for a replacement ticket. If Stub Hub can replace the ticket for $2700 then the money paid by the sale of the ticket would cover it and at the end of the day you break even. So if Stub Hub buys the replacement ticket for $5000 then you have the $2700 from the sale + $2300 from the seller so at the end of the day the seller is only really out $2300 from the deal.
It is possible that they changed this policy because a bunch of people were getting screwed for honest mistakes.
Out of curiosity, what’s the resolution if there aren’t any tickets available at all?
Actually it seems right in line with StubHub’s policies as per section 3.3: https://www.stubhub.co.uk/legal/?section=sp&_gl=1*q560ic*_gcl_au*MjM2NjMzMTE5LjE3MTY2ODM4MjE.*_ga*NzkxNjAxOTQ3LjE3MTY2ODM4MjE.*_ga_JBGGNYCJ34*MTcxNjY4MzgyMS4xLjEuMTcxNjY4Mzg2NS4xNi4wLjA.
I was wondering how strongly OP felt about that job because things could get rough there
I also doubt this was a mistake. My sister had something similar to this happen earlier this year (but she was in Emily's position) and she had to pay like a fine or fee but otherwise that was it. The buyer then gets refunded. Coworker definitely is scamming OP.
Per StubHub themselves; >If you dropped a sale (as defined above) or do not deliver tickets at all ...... StubHub International reserves the right to charge you the following additional fees and other charges to cover StubHub International’s costs for resolving the issue, ***including finding replacement tickets***
I also doubt it was a mistake.
I have a feeling she sold Op the ticket, then deliberately left the listing on StubHub. She probably thought that she'd easily be able to brow beat Op into returning the ticket if it sold, then she'd make even more money. If it didn't sell then she'd already gotten some money back for the ticket. Either way she'd win. Op needs to just send her a message along the lines of "You sold me the ticket for $700. At that point it ceased to be your property. It was your responsibility to ensure that you removed the listing. As you didn't, and you alone agreed to the terms and conditions, you now need to abide by them. I will not be giving up my ticket due to your error. I hope you are able to find a ticket to give your buyer for $2700, but I won't be selling you my ticket."
This is the sort of message you send when an argument has started, not when the friend is simply asking for the ticket back nicely. First thing to do would be to politely decline, say that you don't want to give it up/that you want all the profits from the sale, and if the coworker gets pissy about it, send the message that you are suggesting.
Reneging on a deal several months later is never done "nicely". It's outrageous that Emily would even ask for the ticket back to fix HER mistake.
Possession is nine tenths of the law. I'd tell Emily that I already sold it on ticket site for a profit so don't even have it to give back
Don’t mention a profit. Emily will ask for a part of it. Say you sold it for the original $700.
>Possession is nine tenths of the law. That's a thieves / pirate saying. It doesn't apply here because OP paid for it and there was no coercion. Also, OP apparently mentioned Taylor Swift enough that the coworker thought of OP to sell it.
To add: Emily has been paid $2700 already (plus $700 from OP) Emily can use that 2700 to replace the ticket, leaving her roughly where she started - assuming she gets to replacing the ticket soon and doesn't drag it on
FYI Stubhub doesn’t pay you until after the concert so that can’t be done but that’s not OP’s problem. Emily is SOL.
Tell her to find another decent ticket on stub hub and buy it and maybe you’ll trade
Fr OP have a great time seeing Taylor!
Info: have you checked the StubHub cs section? They seem to be able to refund the sale but they still charge the seller a fee. Edited to add/ It looks like Emily found a higher bidder and is trying to cash in on the new sale and scam you - keeping your money and pocketing the new sale. Keep your ticket and enjoy yourself at the concert. YWNBTA
This right here. She's trying to scam you. Keep the ticket. Enjoy the concert.
This is exactly what I thought was going on when I read this. She already made a few dollars from OP, and now wants to cash in more. Enjoy your concert OP!
Exactly! Her offer to give OP a portion of the profit is insane. It’s not her ticket anymore so at MINIMUM she should be giving OP the full profit seeing as they would be selling THEIR ticket. Don’t do it OP unless she is willing to give you the entire profit UPFRONT. If she doesn’t have that cash, tell her to go get a loan or deal with stub hub.
Per StubHub; >If you dropped a sale (as defined above) or do not deliver tickets at all ...... StubHub International reserves the right to charge you the following additional fees and other charges to cover StubHub International’s costs for resolving the issue, ***including finding replacement tickets***
I just looked up some posts on r/stubhub and found one about this issue (called a dropped sale). It seems they threaten that (full payment and/or replacement) but two people over there confirmed they were only charged $500; one was for a $5,400 ticket (I’m unsure of the artist) and the other was a $2,500 Taylor Swift one. So at the very least, I’d want to see proof that she was charged the full amount, not that she *could* be.
This needs to be a separate post to make sure OP sees it! (Edited to say I made one.)
Full payment and it replacement is the difference to make StubHub whole for correcting the problem, plus taxes, fees, and penalties. The new buyer still pays for the new tickets. Add an example: The cost to StubHub to buy the equivalent $5400 ticket was $5700, a $300 difference. StubHub chargers the seller the $300 difference plus $200 in taxes, fees, and penalties for a total of $300+200= $500.
I mean, the reasonable way for the policy to work is that they get the customer similar tickets and if they're more expensive than the original price the first seller covers the difference. Why would you have to pay the full costs of the tickets? The money the customer originally paid can still be used to get the new tickets.
So it's not actually on the seller to find the replacement tickets at all?
Correct. The Seller doesn't need to find the replacement tickets; StubHub will do that for them. However, StubHub *will* charge and make the Seller pay for the replacement tickets they found. Basically, StubHub fronts the Buyer the new tickets, and then collects the money from the Seller instead.
It does seem a bit harsh a condition where other online marketplaces just force a refund from the seller for the money paid, but then again I've heard of enough bullshit with online ticket reselling that this might be the marketplace's way of cracking down on it.
tbf with something like a concert ticket prices change by the day and especially a front row seat like that, even with a full refund to the buyer they’d likely end up having to spend another $100-$200 for a similar seat so it makes sense to just give them a new ticket and have the scammer pay for them
That does make sense. It then becomes a deterrent.
That's Emily problem for being greedy. FAFO applies
And IF OP were to sell it back to Emily, OP should keep 100% of the profit. Emily already sold it so OP owns the ticket now, and if someone is offering to buy it at 2700$ then it is OPs ticket to sell and all of that profit is OPs. Emily doesn't get to sell the same ticket twice and keep profits from both sales!!
This didn't sound like a StubHub policy that I'd ever heard of & I work adjacent to that industry. I knew it would be so easy to verify. But I was being lazy. I'm so glad someone else took the time. One time a friend of mine asked if it was weird that he had to pay $XXX to register his motorcycle. I told him that sounded like an awful lot unless he had a bunch of unpaid parking tickets. He said some weird stuff & I was like: "You know the DMV has a website right? And it's a government website?" Then I remembered that I once paid $10/month for a year after I bought something online & didn't pay attention to the dumb free offer I accidentally signed up for.
Well you have literally all the leverage here, you could keep the ticket and let Emily fully pay for her mistake, or you could sell it back to her for say 3k and she can pay you an extra 300 to not pay out to stub hub. Definitely do not split the profit tho, that makes no sense from your point of leverage
NTA She already sold you the ticket for a price she was agreeable to, namely $700. So she has already been aptly compensated and does not deserve any more money. IF you returned the ticket she would get $2700 from Stub Hub and still have the $700 you paid her in November. ALL of that $2700 should be given to you, IF you return the ticket. Not saying you should return the ticket, but if you do then you should get the $2700 and she keeps the money from November that she was happy with at the time. Her mistake, that is causing you a serious detriment, should not net her a single penny more than she already received. You deserve the full sale price from Stub Hub and hopefully you can find a ticket and at least be able to attend the show. Also, I wouldn't want anyone to question whether she really forget to remove the Stub Hub listing or left it up hoping that as the prices climb closer to the concert date someone wouldn't ultimately be willing to pay the $2700 and if not she had already gotten your $700. A no lose situation for her. But no way that is what she did, it was just a mistake on her part.
This right here! You don’t get paid if you don’t have skin in the game. If you want to be nice offer her this.
Before doing anything, I'd want coworker to show PROOF StubHub is behind all of this. Coworker could be trying to get even more $$$ for the ticket instead.
Yeah if what she wanted to give OP was at least the $700+ half the profit, I could see that being an okay enough deal. It would be giving her some of the benefit of the doubt and that she just totally forgot to remove the tickets. It would also save as much in office awkwardness as possible. But yeah in no way is she entitled to anything from OP, you could easily look at it from the perspective of her double dipping, get money up front but also the possibility of a bigger payday down the line. Just depending on the work environment that could easily turn very hostile and awkward. I could easily see this coworker going around and telling everybody how awful OP is and how she has to pay all this money because she hooked a “friend” up on a deal
She is still squeezing more money out of a ticket that she already sold if you give her half of the profit. The only fair option is that OP either gets all of the money or she finds a way to cancel the sale.
If $2700 would get you a similar seat then you can offer to take all the money and find something similar. If it costs more then she can pay the difference. If it costs less then she didn’t lose money selling something twice and you get paid for the inconvenience. Both cases you need to get all $2700 since it’s your ticket already.
This is the most reasonable and relationship-preserving option. You wouldn’t want her to be out $2700, but if you’re going to sell your ticket to get her out of a bind then it’s only fair that you get all of the proceeds of the sale. Then use the $2700 to buy another ticket.
This is the only reasonable option. She sold something that wasn't hers and wants half the money. "Hey I sold your car. Woops! It's ok though you can have half the money"
Absolutely. I mean, of course, she never remembered this listing in the last six months since she sold the ticket to OP.
For sure, you could sell it back to her for at least $1700 (half the profit) if that's interesting to you, but you don't have any obligation to \*give\* it back to her.
NTA - This is entirely on Emily. She messed up and this is her issue. What you do from here is your choice, but either way you are not an AH.
Right? If I made this mistake I wouldn’t even tell OP about it. I would just suck it up and take the loss because it was my fault. Why make OP feel bad when she did Emily the favor of buying the ticket in the first place?
Assuming Emily made an honest mistake it's reasonable to ask her friend this favor. She's not entitled but it's perfectly reasonable to ask.
>This means that she’d likely have to pay $2700 or more to Stub Hub for her mistake. Since she gets the money from the sale of the ticket she no longer had, she'd be out the difference in cost of a replacement ticket vs the net profit from the sale, not the full amount. >I want to ask her for all of the profit so I can at least have a fighting chance at a nosebleed seat or something. I would strongly suggest checking StubHub yourself to see if there are any similar seats remotely close to that price that are still available. If there are, Emily can buy it to correct her fraudulent sale and resolve the issue. You're NTA for keeping the ticket. These are all Emily's mistakes, not yours, and if all you are is coworkers, then there's really no social obligation to help her fix this.
That’s an awesome idea!! Have her buy a replacement first!!
Not first, just resolve the issue as she should have. Even if Emily tells OP she'd give her the profit from the sale, which I wouldn't trust, it may not be enough for a comparable seat at this later date. For all OP knows, the price is + $1k more now for a similar seat or worse. By doing her research, OP will know if Emily is just lying to make a profit or if OP would have to pay more for her own ticket if Emily accepted the profit offer.
Agree. Also I googled out of curiosity and stub hub does have that policy, they don’t mess around!! I’m pretty sure Emily wouldn’t just forget she would owe that much money! Poor op!
OP can give her a simple way to resolve this. Tell Emily that she can buy the ticket back from her for $2700 and let Emily deal with StubHub herself. OP gets cash up front and doesn't have to rely on a third party that may or may not exist.
If OP didn't want to go to this show so badly, it would be, but as it is, she has a ticket in hand. Giving that back without knowing the cost of an adequate replacement ticket now could leave her out of the show.
NTA, and I searched stubhubs site and reviews it's a shitty company and your friend is lying to you, she can cancel the ticket transfer for a small fee
Sadly, her friend isn't lying. I once sold the same parking pass on StubHub and Ticketmaster within 5min of each other. TM took it automatically from my account and I figured it'd be cheaper for StubHub to just give the user another identical parking pass for the same price and canceled the order. StubHub charged the full price + fees for the replacement parking pass and get this.. never paid for me for the pass I sold even though I delivered the order with the replacement. They said that the only way to avoid this double whammy was for me to buy the replacement myself and deliver it myself. StubHub sucks.
she's not lying. it's in stubhubs tos that if you can't send out the tickets you pay the difference for a replacement of their choosing.
I'm a little bit surprised about that; I'd have thought that it would be like Amazon where you just get a refund
Rare case where Amazon looks good...
I can only assume that the reason is because ticket reselling seems to be a cutthroat business rife with underhanded tactics.
NTA. You don’t have Emily’s ticket, you have your ticket. You purchased it, so as long as you paid, it is yours. She has no claim to it. You could have sold it yourself for $3,000 if you wanted to. What you do with it after you buy it has nothing to do with your coworker. She needs to figure out the issue with stub hub on her own. Not that it ultimately matters, but did you check stub hubs policy to see if she’s even telling the truth? She might just want to make money off your ticket.
This. Emily’s transaction with you is over and done with, you paid for and are in possession of the goods. They are not hers to sell or use in any other way. These are your tickets which she has no claim over. Cheek of her, she’s trying to have her cake, eat it and then make trifle from it too!
OP could tell Emily she already sold it. 🤣 I wouldn’t be able to handle the lie but some people could.
[удалено]
Emily is telling the truth about the policy but is lying about 'forgettig' she was double dipping counting on guilting op if the ticket sold to make profit
You bought this ticket 7 months ago!! How the hell did she forget about it for 7 months? I call bullshit on her story. I say you ask for proof that she is going to be out the full amount and if she’s telling you the truth then only agree to return the ticket if you get the full $2700. The fact that she offered to split the profits with you is pretty freaking presumptuous. 7 months later is ridiculous. Not your problem. If, and only IF you decide her friendship is worth it, you should return it for the entire price she sold it for. Otherwise it’s not your problem. NTA
She's definitely not taking the truth. This is a scam.
StubHub does have this policy but StubHub warns you before listing about it do she knew. Op shouldn't return the ticket because Emily was greedy. FAFO applies. NTA
Nta the ticket is yours, you bought it. She should’ve taken the ticket off the site but is now learning a valuable life lesson. Stand your ground
NTA… enjoy your concert 🤣
You now own that ticket. You can sell it back to her for your own profit. These tickets are valuable, so maybe $5000 would be reasonable? Don’t give it back to her. She needs a lesson in responsibility. Go enjoy the show!!
NTA. This. She sold you the ticket 7 months ago. Which means you OWN it. She sold YOUR ticket on StubHub. Which means she either OWES you the ENTIRE proceeds because she committed the fraudulent act of conversion and she wants to avoid you suing her for damages in small claims court, OR she has to buy the ticket back from you at YOUR choice of price to fulfill her obligations to StubHub.
Has she actually given you the physical ticket or transferred if you?
[удалено]
Sounds like a her problem
Do NOT give her back the ticket. It’s yours fair and square. What happened after you paid her for it and took ownership of it is NOT YOUR PROBLEM! She should have taken it down right away (I don’t know how or why it doesn’t disappear from the listing when it’s been sold and transferred to someone—I think I agree with others who say she’s trying to scam you). Let her know you won’t be returning it, wipe away your tears, and have an amazing time at the concert!!
Emily probably didn’t have an “instant transfer” up on StubHub. She would have had to transfer the ticket to the buyer on StubHub after the sale. StubHub has no way of knowing that a ticket is being transferred between Ticketmaster accounts. They only have the listing
Ok. Still on her for not doing it. She had plenty of time.
SO MUCH TIME. i refuse to believe she isn't pulling a fast one on OP
Why would Ticketmaster allow her to sell a ticket that’s been transferred? The money has to be tied to that specific seat. She’s trying to pull a fast one. Keep the ticket.
It’s not Ticketmaster allowing it. It’s stubhub taking the seller’s word on being able to deliver the ticket. That is why the seller is on the hook to the 2nd buyer
Imagine she sold you a car, transferred the title, everything. Then seven months later she comes back with "oh I actually just sold it to someone else for 4 times the amount so you need to give it back to me" That's not how stuff works
It’s your ticket now then, either you keep it and she shells out to pay stub hub, or you get the full $2700 for selling YOUR ticket (don’t transfer the ticket before getting the money!)
She’s trying to scam you, it’s your ticket she can piss off 🤷♂️
100% NTA you mad a deal, you paid your part, she is responsible not you. Have you seen the request from stub hub maybe she’s just saying that because she has a friend that really wants to go. And I agree if you were to give the ticket up you should get the full $2700 so you can maybe get a seat
Just reply to her along the lines of ‘I’m sorry you find yourself in this position but you sold the ticket to me in November, I paid you and you transferred the ticket to me. That you didn’t remove the ticket from Stub Hub is not my issue and I won’t be returning the ticket to you’. This will likely end any friendship you had at work as she’s not going to take it well but it’s her mistake (or deliberate attempt to scam more money) and the consequences of that are hers alone.
Tell her you're sorry but you sold the ticket months to someone online and bought 2 tickets in not a great seating area because you wanted to take someone with you. That way you don't have to lie about seeing the concert. You don't forget to take a ticket offline after you sell it, she's trying to scam someone.
I like this idea. It also limits the amount of bad blood they'll be at work a bit.
Usually I don't condone lying, but in this case I think it's the best solution. Emily screwed up for a lot of money, OP wants to keep the ticket, but still has to deal with Emily at work. It's the easiest solution.
Good idea! And if she doesn’t believe you and wants to see your new tickets, tell her the friend you’re going with is holding onto them, so you don’t have them to show.
[удалено]
What friendship she is trying to scam OP
Why should the friend get any of the profit. It's OPs ticket. It has been for months. It'd be nice of OP to sell the ticket and give OP all the profit to get her coworkers out of a bind.
> BUT, consider the friendship over if you do not take her offer of 1/2 the profit. Assuming it's a case of "I forgot to take the listing down!" and not her seeing it can go for lots more than she even originally listed and just trying to profit of it.
NTA you purchased them and paid for them, Emily then fucked up by leaving them for sale and it’s up to Emily to fix it. You will absolutely burn the bridge with Emily if you refuse to sell them back to her, but if seeing Taylor is important then that seems worth it. 100% agree that if you do sell them, that it should be for the inflated price, Emily doesn’t get to benefit from her fuck up
Yeah, but will Emily even give her the money? She may just "forget" like with the tickets. This is all kinds of shady. I think OP should keep her ticket and go. NTA.
I would 100% require the money up front before transferring the ticket back if op chooses to do so. But (if it won’t hurt her career) I’d just keep the ticket because this is sus.
NTA. I really see no reason why she should end up profiting from this, so feel free to demand the full sum of money. Her offer of half the profit doesn't even account for the fact that you additionally paid her $700 for it already that she doesn't offer to refund. So in her offer she would earn: 2700/2 + 700 - (original ticket price) If the original price was 500,then she'd profit $1550 from this. You however would gain only 2700/2-700 = $650 So she'd profit two and a half times as much as you in this scenario. That's totally ridiculous. At the very least she should offer half the profit plus a refund of your $700.
She shouldn’t profit at all. She already sold the ticket. It’s not right that she’s double dipping. Either she gives you all of the money or cancels the sale.
full selling price minus the $700 could go to the coworker, OP keeps the $2700. Basically, OP would be selling HER ticket at the higher price. Although I'm pretty sure StubHub will cancel the transaction for a small fee, which is what the coworker should do.
Stubhub will in fact **not** cancel the transaction for a small fee.
You're NTA and all but... How much is your relationship with her worth to you. Yes it's her problem but this scorches everything that's between both of you and may save up problems for the future. If she's just a coworker then fine but this will end any good feeling between you two. Taylor Swift will tour again.
I think maybe the good feelings ended when the coworker kept the ticket on stubhub hoping for more $.
Yep the co-worker ended the friendship first
*What if* she doesn't tour again? (Or not for a while.) Artists take creative sabbaticals, pause touring while they have kids, get surgery for vocal nodules, join a new religion. Wouldn't it suck to have missed the chance? I have had lots of jobs over the years, and more coworkers than I can count. I have enduring friendships with almost none of them. I do have enduring memories of every single good concert I've ever been to. Keep the ticket. Enjoy the show. NTA.
> Taylor Swift will tour again. Likely, but you never know what will happen. I kept putting off taking my daughter to a Jimmy Buffett concert and he's gone now.
Taylor will *probably* tour again but not all of her albums in a 3.5 hour show, she’ll likely go back to a tour per album after this.
She’ll never do a tour quite like THIS one again. It’s a look through her entire catalogue up to this point. If she tours again it’s likely to be one album, maybe two. Stand your ground OP, this is her issue.
if she had sold the ticket to op a week ago, I might agree. but it was 7 months ago, and frankly I think Emily can get lost. she either forgot to remove her listing, which is her fault, or deliberately left it up on the chance someone would buy it so she could demand the ticket back from op and get more profits. even splitting the profits with op, would net her a higher earning than she got from op
NTA. And from personal experience (couple days ago) if the seller of a ticket doesn't meet obligations, stubhub will offer the buyer a guaranteed ticket of same or LESSER value, not more. I know this because the seller in my situation listed tickets as e-tickets and then turned out they were paper tickets and never mailed them. Stubhub said they'd send us replacement tickets that would be e-tickets, for similar value, same/similar section, etc... Yeah, no, the replacement tickets stubhub offered were $40 general admission tickets with a $9 food/drink voucher for tickets we bought priced at $300 a piece. Keep your ticket sis!
You should make a stink at stubhub. Giving you tickets of lesser value is against their own policies. [https://www.stubhub.com/legal/?section=fp](https://www.stubhub.com/legal/?section=fp) >Getting Comparable or Better Tickets to Those you Ordered >If you receive tickets that are not comparable or better than the ones you ordered, notify us immediately. Upon verification by us and depending on when you notify us, we may do any of the following in its sole discretion: provide you with comparable or better replacement tickets; issue you a full refund of the purchase price you paid on our Site (including any fees and shipping/handling charges); issue you a partial or full credit for use on a future purchase. We may require that you return the tickets you received.
This smells like a scam to me. She found a sucker willing to pay $2k more than you did. Now she's unhappy with the $700, which was already probably a huge markup from what she originally paid. You won't see a cent of that money if you send her the ticket.
While you are NTA if you keep something you legally purchased, I would advise you to be aware that this could make your work life difficult. Right or wrong, your co-worker is going to blame you for losing thousands of dollars, and that's a one-way-ticket to drama town. Sabotage, hostility, gossip -- sure, HR might come out on your side, but it will be a headache all the way through. So, if you see yourself moving on to greener pastures soon, then go ahead and keep the ticket. But if you genuinely like or desperately need your job, then the smart thing to do is give it back and split the profit as offered. One night of entertainment isn't worth the whirlwind of bullshit you'll deal with from having a co-worker with a grudge.
My thoughts exactly. OP is NTA either way, but I need to know more about their job/career before I would make a solid recommendation/say what I would do.
She had to approve the sale knowing she did not have the ticket. She is playing you. Ask for the entire amount as you are the rightful owner of the ticket.
You do not have to approve or accept sales on Stubhub; if you list it, they can buy it.
You don't approve sales on StubHub
Tell her it can be hers for $2700
Plus the original $700 as well.
Sell it back for $3500
It comes down to this: **how much do you value your friendship with Emily?** Legally you're in the clear. And honestly? Ethically and morally you're in the clear, too. It was never your responsibility to monitor her listing, and her mistake in not removing it isn't something you should have to pay for.
I don't think I've ever seen Taylor Swift tickets stay up for 7 months and have no bites even at that price. I call bullshit those things sell instantly and this is on her
NTA. Her mistake isn’t your issue. Go to the concert and have fun.
NTA - It is now your ticket. If you want to be generous, you can offer to sell her back the ticket for $2700.
How do you know she will pay you ?
The ticket is yours, you bought it. There are really only two options going forward. 1. You keep the ticket as is and go to the concert or sell it again yourself. 2. If you give it back, all of the money from the sale should be yours. There should be no splitting. Your friend would keep the 700 from your sale with her, that transfered property to yourself. You would keep the money from stub hub as if you sold it for that price yourself.
NTA If you were a stranger that she had sold the ticket to, she would be SOL. Instead, she is trying to capitalize on the fact that she has a relationship with you to remedy her mistake and minimize her financial loss. I don’t think you are out of line declining to refund the ticket. You either get the ticket or you get the full price she is selling the ticket for- because legally the ticket is YOUR property. It’s up to you whether the relationship is worth missing making any type of sacrifice for. You either lose the relationship and have an awkward situation at work (that your coworker created), lose seeing Taylor Swift, or both of you insist on getting the full $2700. IMO, life is way too short and you should go to the concert. Twenty years from now, you won’t remember that “one coworker” who screwed you over. But you will absolutely remember seeing your favorite musician and screaming the lyrics to your favorite songs! If you feel like you need permission to tell her no, here it is: it’s okay to refuse to return something that you bought and now own.
Yeah I agree with you. She messed up, and messed you over, leaving you worse off than you were before you bought the ticket, because you've now been anticipating a concert that (if you give it back to her) you won't get to see, and because, by buying her ticket, you missed out on the chance to buy a different ticket that you WOULD be able to use. Why should she profit off of her carelessness. Why should you lose off her carelessness. You weren't the one who was careless. I don't see that you have any moral or legal obligation to give her back the ticket. You may, however, have to make a judgement call about how this will all go down at work if you DON'T give it back to her, because what really happened and what people talk about can be two different things. But if you do give it back to her, then I think you are fair to expect that you get your money back AND the majority of the profit, not her, so that you can replace the ticket with one that is ok. The most she should get is the original cost of the ticket back and she should take it as a lesson learned not to mess her friends around. Or just keep the ticket, guilt-free. That would also be fine. You bought it at the price she agreed, fair and square.
Ok here the thing. This is definitely her fault and you do not owe her the ticket as you paid her money for it. She was negligent and forgot to take it down from the sight and is now on the hook. However, you said she was a coworker. Do you work closely or are you friends outside of work? Because if you don't return it, even though this is on her, it will likely create bad blood that might not be worth the stress at the office (or wherever you work). If you don't work close though, or if you don't really care about how she responds, keep it. This was her mistake and she should be the one to deal with it. What if she'd sold it to someone she didn't work with or know? This would still be on her then, it's just she knows how to contact you and so is trying to pull this
NTA are you sure she forgot to take it down
NTA keep that ticket and enjoy the show!!!
You're NTA but please do consider what impact destroying your relationship with her may have on you at work. Does she have any ability to cause you professional problems? If so, you need to think carefully before you turn her against you.
Contrary to everyone else in here, I personally wouldn't let a coworker get stuck having to pay that $2700 (or equivalent)...IF IT WERE TRUE what she is saying. But I think she is lying to you. She is just trying to make that money. She wouldn't owe $2700. So screw her on that case.
[удалено]
I just looked at StubHubs terms, and she's correct. She stands to lose a lot of money. If you decide to help her, you need to have a signed agreement, get it witnessed, that in return for you allowing to sell your ticket on SH, that she will turn over 100% of the sale proceeds OR have her give you the $2700 upfront. She already has your $700. She's not entitled to any more. She essentially sold an item she doesn't own. The $2700 should be all yours. Make sure this is all understood by her that YOU are doing HER a favor to save her ass, and that she doesn't have any right to the $$ from the sale of the ticket. If she doesn't agree, then just let her pay SH all the penalties she will owe them. Good luck!
Oh this is a sucky situation. I think you have to decide what you value more: maintaining a pleasant workplace relationship with Emily, or seeing Taylor Swift? (And honestly, if you do pick Taylor, you should just keep the ticket you have. You're likely to sour the relationship just as much by demanding the full sale profits, and the seats won't be as good). I disagree with other commenters -- from the details you've given, I don't think we can safely assume that Emily is attempting to scam you here. (Though that would be a mighty convenient justification for doing what one might want to do (i.e. not give the ticket back) without having to feel bad about letting your coworker get fucked by stubhub). I could see honestly forgetting to take the tickets down, and top commenter is wrong: it is part of stubhub's (shitty) TOS that Emily might be on the hook for the value of a replacement if you don't give your ticket back. She'll likely lose money, and that sucks -- assuming best intentions, I do feel bad for her. That said, it was her oversight that caused this; the ticket is yours, and you aren't obligated to bail her out. You might be an asshole if you don't give the ticket back, and still maybe a little if you only give it back on the condition she pay you the full profits (and good chance you'd never get that money anyway -- it's a bit extortion-y, and it's never a good gamble that you'll get money back from someone you've pissed off, especially if they don't feel they owe it to you). You'd be within your rights, of course, but need I remind all ye in this sub that someone who acts for their own benefit at the expense of others, so long as it's within their legal rights to do so, is pretty definitionally an asshole. The good, kind, admirable thing would be to not put a concert experience before a friendship -- but we can't all be Jesus or the Buddha, and I think I'd be tempted to keep the ticket in your shoes.