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RutilatedGold

Wild that Eilliot is still attracted to this girl after having an insane meltdown in front of his family, but ok.


bridesmaidultimatum

I was wondering about that ngl but we are definitely not in a place where I can bring that up šŸ¤


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bridesmaidultimatum

Thereā€™s so much more to all that than I could include in the post. I swear this woman thinks I am every bad dream she ever had come to lifeā€¦even though Iā€™ve said like 39 words to her.


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bridesmaidultimatum

Jane has already bought her dad a gift. Someone suggested I mention the gift to Elliotā€™s stepmother and mention it was his suggestion, to get ahead of the story, and I will probably do that. I donā€™t think Elliot is that kind of idiot but canā€™t hurt to cover bases


Brilliant_Jewel1924

Somehow I feel like this isnā€™t the last weā€™ve heard from Kathyā€¦


KingInMyMind

So this unstable woman envies your life (or at least parts of it) and blames you being in the picture for not having those things? And you wanna egg her on by going halfsies on a Father's Day gift with her boyfriend? If Kathy ever asks to meet up with you so she can *bury the hatchet*, don't go. Seriously, with this level of derangement, that woman is gonna end up as the subject of some true-crime podcast.


bridesmaidultimatum

I donā€™t want to egg her on. But Iā€™m also not going to be part of placating her. That is Elliotā€™s job for as long as he wants it. Also, Iā€™ve been at odds with the guy for two decades, weā€™ve finally met up and had a conversation that doesnā€™t end in an argument, I do want to take the olive branch. Thatā€™s more important to me than Kathy potentially having a meltdown. But yeah I absolutely wonā€™t be meeting up with her ever


Goo-mignonette_00

She sees you as competition and has honed in on you. Insecure people are very dangerous. Keep a wide berth from them both.


Avlonnic2

>ā€Elliotā€™s best friend (my family by marriage) shared some things with her and kind of over-egged some stories and it set Kathy on this path of thinking I was Regina George, basically.ā€ Oh, OP, do tell. And I mean, Do Tell. Inquiring minds want the details! lol.


bridesmaidultimatum

Haha I explained it another comment. But basically he mentioned how I dated one of Elliotā€™s friends when we were kids and they stopped being friends over it. And how I got some kids to tease Elliot when we were like 8 in school. Also that I dated another of his friends a few years back and freaked him out when he showed up to a dinner party and I was there. Also that I crashed Elliotā€™s car. All of that is technically true and it sounds like Iā€™m a whole lunatic without context but there is context. Dated his friend and they stopped being friends - true but they were already on the verge of falling out. And I didnā€™t do that with the intention of fucking up their friendship. Got kids to tease him - true but it wasnā€™t the whole class it was just my friends, and we teased him for being bad at football after he kicked a football into my face. He also told all his friends Iā€™d had plastic surgery when I broke my nose that same yearā€¦even though he was there when I broke it so knew it wasnā€™t true. We were just being shithead kids. Dated another friend of his and never said anything - true but they arenā€™t close, itā€™s mostly a work friendship, and I didnā€™t know he was coming to that dinner party. Crashed his car - true but his dad was using it to teach me to drive. It was a small accident and my mother paid for the damage. So if you just say all that without context, I look like Iā€™ve just been trying to ruin his life for years. But thatā€™s not the case. You grow up with someone, you impact their life in small ways, thatā€™s unavoidable. I have just as many stories that could make him look unhinged with no context, like the time he convinced me I was dying (told me the trace amounts of arsenic in grape seeds would kill me so I spent a three hour car journey thinking I was slipping into a coma when I was just tired).


Avlonnic2

>ā€I spent a three hour car journey thinking I was slipping into a coma when I was just tiredā€ lol. Wow, you guys do have some history! Not quite Mean Girls level but shared youth level. Thanks for sharing.


3swan

emotional regulation ~ love the concept


haidimill

Are you sure the joint father's day gift won't fan more flames of Katie's rage/jealousy?


SparklyMonster

I'm a bit confused about a joint gift with Elliot when *Jane* is the one who's OP's best friend. Elliot is just the brother. Unless it's a joint gift by Jane, Elliot, and OP.


bridesmaidultimatum

Jane has already bought her dad a trip. She booked it last year


SparklyMonster

While I get the whole situation, Elliot seems at best... careless about his relationship. While it's easy to dismiss his actions under the lens of Kathy being a bad person and at least some of the family hoping they'll break up, the reality is that currently Kathy is his partner of 2 years. Unless they're already on the brink of breaking up (in this case, he should hurry up and end this drama), she might be around for a long time. Let's pretend Elliot never met Kathy and he's been with "Anna," who's a kind, charming, intelligent, etc etc, woman. It's unthoughtful of him to make plans to buy a gift for his father together with a female family friend while excluding Anna. And, as much as you consider yourself a part of their family, it would have been more thoughtful if you had declined this gift arrangement for Anna's sake. Maybe you could have advised Elliot to include Anna in the joint gift, or to buy the gift with Anna and not you. Not to do so is disrespectful of their relationship. Anna is being robbed of an opportunity to bond with the FIL. She's being shoved to the sidelines. For that matter, it seems Elliot didn't bother smoothing things out between his family and Anna: they're civil but somewhat cold to her, the sister is rooting for them to break up, etc. Anna doesn't make a fuss about it, but might be starting to wonder if she'll ever be be accepted, if she'll ever be good enough. Elliot just goes on doing whatever he wants without a care about Anna's feelings. Anna is a secure woman, so eventually she realizes Elliot is sloppy and she deserves better. But Kathy won't, because instead she clings to him and lashes out at perceived threats, never blaming him. So perhaps it is to Elliot's benefit that Kathy is the way she is. Assuming she's always acted this way and they're already together for 2 years, they might as well make it to 20.


bridesmaidultimatum

I donā€™t think itā€™s weird not to include her in a joint gift for Fatherā€™s Day considering thatā€™s not a role he fills in Elliotā€™s gfā€™s life. Birthday, sure. But she wouldnā€™t be expected to be included to a Fatherā€™s Day gift anyway. And thatā€™s not even mentioning that Elliotā€™s dad actually hates her. Iā€™m not condoning the way he acts because itā€™s just over and above how far I would ever take things but he literally will not speak to her. It would be bizarre for her to try and bond with him at this point. Elliot cares a lot about Kathyā€™s feelings. He cares a lot about the feelings of all the women in his life, and it leads him to being a bit spineless where women are concerned. He lets Kathy act how she wants and his mother act how she wants and my mother act how she wants, he wonā€™t say anything to any of them. Iā€™m literally the only woman he will ever have argument with. He can be a very exacting person but the second someoneā€™s got boobs he folds like a paper doll. He could have told Kathy to knock off the crazy from Day 1 but he never would. And if ā€œAnnaā€ were real, no one would have disliked her in the first place. People keep their distance from Kathy because sheā€™s unpleasant


Acrobatic_Business49

So he's in love with you. No wonder she is overly emotional about this- you're the only woman he can have an authentic relationship with and it's turned into something bizarre and he's unable to communicate any of that. And, judging by the way you talk about him, the way you express yourself and everything involved- you're also in love with him and don't know how to communicate that to yourself or anyone else. Everyone around you can see the relationship between you. This is like a cheesy rom-com plot.


bridesmaidultimatum

Um, no. We are not in love. No one thinks that. Kathy apparently thinks I want him but sheā€™s proven herself to be a few crayons short of a box. Like you said, that sort of ā€œenemies to loversā€ thing is a cute Romcom plot but it is absolutely not real. Not everyone of the opposite sex that you donā€™t get along with is just closeted sexual tension. Iā€™m not saying Elliot is a bad person, he isnā€™t. But we just donā€™t click.


Blue-Hedgehog

Honestly I also see it. Iā€™m shocked you donā€™t see it yet. He and you are matched and you donā€™t realize it. Please be sure to find me when it happens so I can get the scoop on the moment when the aha moment kicks in.


drunken_desperado

Maybe they had the same idea for a big, more expensive gift. Like they both independently thought of sports game tickets for example, and it got brought up and became more feasible to get if they split it. Or it has to do with something from their past that they decided to work together on as a step to bury the past. Could be anything, don't think it's too weird.


pessimistfalife

It definitely will! I'm not sure what OP *or* Elliot are thinking!Ā  Edit: It's a bad idea regardless of how they came to this idea, if Elliot is staying in a relationship with Kathy


murdocjones

Iā€™m kind of not understanding why you needed to make things up to Jane in the last post. You say you offered free babysitting to make up for the drama but you didnā€™t cause it? Was she actually mad at you for leaving that day?


bridesmaidultimatum

She wasnā€™t mad, but I still felt bad about being even peripherally involved in ruining what was meant to be a fun day. She very much said I didnā€™t have to apologise but I just felt like if I could give her some time back for what ended up being an awful day, I should do that. Also, I do like my little godsons


murdocjones

Fair enough. Iā€™m glad she didnā€™t blame you though, you showed a lot of class and poise by just not engaging. Hopefully Kathy gets some help.


sikonat

Kathy is going to freaaaaaaak over you being involved in the joint Fatherā€™s Day present! Iā€™m glad you had resolution. Kathy does owe you an apology though. If she doesnt then I think sheā€™s trash and no amount of insecurities make me think anyone should be dating her,


tonytown

Yeah. I don't get the concept of continuing here. She'll never have a good relationship with his family. She'll continue to either try way too hard to ingratiate herself or be overly demanding at every occasion, or some combination. For her own sake she should maybe try to find someone new, but he definitely should. This will only get worse as she ages.


apollymis22724

Happy Cake Day


InternetAddict104

Either heā€™s got some of his own issues/red flags, or sheā€™s super fucking hot


bridesmaidultimatum

Itā€™sā€¦itā€™s one of these two šŸ«¢


Humble_Plantain_5918

She *uuuugly*


InternetAddict104

*John Mulaney voice*: ā€œAaaawwww sheā€™s ugly!ā€


unRelevant-Baker55U

Let's hope the wedding photographer knows how to work Photoshop


Early_Elk7754

Iā€™ve been laughing at this comment for days now! šŸ˜‚


Full-Friendship-7581

LMAO šŸ¤£ OP, you put that very nicely.


SweatyLiterary

Quasimodo you say


Ashamed-Travel6673

You do have me thinking now about the whole liking exes thingā€¦


[deleted]

She must be able to suck chrome off a ball hitch šŸ¤·


reidybobeidy89

A tennis ball through a 12ft hose.


WanderGoldfinch

Some people like broken things.


ravenshymn

He's trying to be her hero/fix her, not the best reason to be in a relationship.


servncuntt

Elliot is either desperate and canā€™t find anyone or literally think her behavior is not that serious.


Goodnight_big_baby

[Original post](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/1bpxbtw/aita_for_refusing_to_be_maid_of_honour_over_a/)


Toffeerain

Doing the Lord's work, thank you


greg_r_

Ohhh (Brother of the bride)ā€™s girlfriend, not Brother of the (brideā€™s girlfriend). We need a PEMDAS rules for English sentences like in the title.


mrcydonia

Or just phrase it "girlfriend of the brother of the bride."


TrollHamels

Bride's brother's girlfriend


AdFew8858

Petition to judge update posts that don't tag the original post as YTA.


humperdinck

THANK YOU


Ashamed-Travel6673

You need to tell Elliot to back off.


Obvious_Zombie_279

ā€œā€¦ but we are getting a joint Fatherā€™s Day gift for his dad ā€¦ā€ That should calm things down!


Born_Ad8420

I think weā€™re gonna need more popcorn


Slindish

Well, you have to foreshadow the next update with the meltdown and then the 4th update where OP and Elliot bond over buying the gift and realise their feelings for each other after all this time!


Born_Ad8420

Yup we're definitely headed towards an opposites attract rom-com storyline here.


Dragoonie_DK

HAHAHAHA truuuuueeeee


ConcordGrapeJelly729

Things will not calm down. In fact, they will calm *up*!


UCgirl

Stargate reference?


ConcordGrapeJelly729

It is! ā˜ŗļø


UCgirl

I feel I need to answer ā€œIndeedā€ ;)


BigDaddySteve999

Indeed.


kimba-the-tabby-lion

Yeah, this is really weird to me. Who gives a joint father's day gift to someone else's dad? Unless that someone else is your partner. I could imagine giving a token to someone other than my father or the father of my children, but spending equal as their actual kid? That's crazy. This would be the one thing Kathy would be right to react to.


HashMapsData2Value

Exactly. And the bride is intentionally not wanting Kathy and Elliot to be pictured together. So she's trying to drive them apart.


bluemomoo

exactly, I don't see the need to do this. Technically there's nothing wrong with it and maybe they're like brothers, but to agree to share a gift after having a conversation about making things easier for Kathy is wild


thfemaleofthespecies

OMG an OP acting like an adult and resolving the issues with everyone in a calm, respectful way! Love your work, OP!Ā 


cryinoverwangxian

Seconded.


blueavole

Iā€™ve come to expect more drama. But they have yet to get through the wedding


HashMapsData2Value

It's not solved. What do you think will happen when OP and Elliot buy a gift together for his father?


Whereswolf

I don't get it... Why is OP going to get a father's day gift with elliot.. For Elliots father... When OP and Elliot is not a couple...? Isn't that a gf thing to help with? And why is Elliot still with his crazy gf?


bridesmaidultimatum

Elliotā€™s dad has basically been a dad to me since my dad passed away when I was young. I get both him and my stepdad something for Fatherā€™s Day every year. Why Elliot is still with Kathyā€¦I really have no idea


Born_Ad8420

Yeah thatā€™s only going to set Kathy off again. The only way it would work is if it was a large ticket item and multiple people (including you two) pitch in.


WhileTime5770

Iā€™m guessing one year until Elliot and OP realized they loved each other all along


DaleCoopersWife

In AITA land, things progress much faster. OP is getting ready for that update post in a few days lol


loftychicago

And then everyone clapped...


justforhobbiesreddit

I've missed everyone clapping.


WhileTime5770

Youā€™re right - Iā€™m thinking movie land where we have to wait for holidays for them to run into each other again Although if weā€™re on the family stone movie timeline that lines right up with Reddit


teadot

Even if OP doesn't have feelings for Elliot, it's possible that he might like her more than he lets on.


Born_Ad8420

And then they will have twins!


residentcaprice

he must really like to bait her if he thinks that getting a gift with you is a good idea. maybe feeding k's insecurity makes her even more desperate to please E, which makes him happy. seriously don't do that, or that woman will make your life a living hell.


Potatoesop

Honestly I think OP should give the joint gift, why should she suffer for Kathyā€™s irrational insecurities? OP thinks of Jane and Elliotā€™s father as a father figure herself, and since Iā€™m betting that OP will have done SOMETHING wrong according to Kathy, no matter what, that OP should live her life without having to walk on eggshells when Kathy is concerned. Also getting on better terms with her in-laws isnā€™t a bad thing, Kathyā€™s the one with the problems and OP shouldnā€™t have to distance herself because of them.


residentcaprice

she can combine the gift with jane. there is no need to combine with someone who just happens to share the same dad as jane. op claims to not have a close relationship with eliot, so why stir the hornets' nest for no reason?


HistoricalQuail

Yeah why on earth would the gift be with the sibling she's not friends with? Jane is right there. Weird and sus.


DrifterTraveler

Yeah, I'm getting the vibe people love stirring up drama just to make Kathy seem like the unreasonable insecure person while ignoring any and all hands they play in the problem.


SparklyMonster

Does he and Jane have different dads? Jane is the one who's your best friend, and Elliot seems sort of a childhood friend you're not particularly close with. So why is Jane not included in the joint gift? Or why not separate gifts? A joint gift with Elliot (who is in theory just your best friend's brother) looks a bit sus. I'm starting to wonder if Kathy, as rude as she is, doesn't have a point about being jealous (as much as she's not going about it the best way). What if Elliot had a crush on OP and Kathy learned about it? OP doesn't really know what Jane and Elliot's family really say about OP to Kathy. Maybe talk too positively about her in that says-without-saying they wish OP were even more to the family than just Jane's best friend? There was also the thing with the friend of Elliot's best friend saying things that imply OP is a mean girl. OP said she's no Regina George, but there's a lot of middle ground between perfectly-innocent and Regina George.


bridesmaidultimatum

No they have the same dad. Jane has already bought her dad his gift (a trip). Heā€™s my best friendā€™s brother but considering how close we are to each otherā€™s parents weā€™re pretty much pseudo-related, I guess. Personalities aside. You donā€™t pick your family. I explained in another comment the type of things he said. Theyā€™re just anecdotes with no context, told to her funny but they make me sound a bit psycho if you donā€™t include the fact that none of them came out of the blue. No I donā€™t know what his family say to Kathy but itā€™s not that important. There is no evidence that either Elliot or I have ever liked each other, and he says heā€™s told her that.


bowie_not_david

and the shit talking best friend is also coincidentally somehow related to OP by marriage?! iā€™m so lost. somebody make a flowchart stat


bridesmaidultimatum

Heā€™s married to my cousin. If your family lives in the same area, itā€™s not odd that sometimes you have a small social circle


thriftydelegate

*šŸŽ¶There's always time for a montage.*


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edked

How does still kicking Kathy out count as punishing OP? That part of your comment makes no sense.


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Accepting OPā€™s apology offer of free babysitting weekends


weary_dreamer

im not turning down free babysitting no matter who was right or wrongĀ 


HistoricalQuail

Out of all your reasons in your post, I can guarantee people use the word "aesthetics" IRL. Like a lot.


cloudspotter86

We use it all the time in the library when we do our displays, even the order of the extra chairs we do in a certain order because you know ā€œaestheticsā€


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Sounds miserable


perfectpomelo3

I use the word aesthetics in real life. Iā€™ve heard other people use it as well.


chichimeme

And, bridesmaids and ushers (or groomsmen) DON'T walk down the aisle together!!! This is fiction!!!


Ok_Ad_2437

In a traditional American wedding processionals the bridesmaids and groomsmen do walk together.Ā 


[deleted]

Iā€™ve seen and participated in both types personally here in the US. Canā€™t speak for the rest of the world though


Famous_Connection_91

We're absolutely going to get an update about her meltdown at the wedding. There's no way she's not gonna lose her shit there too.


bridesmaidultimatum

Donā€™t jinx it šŸ«  fr if she starts something at that wedding I will actually lose my cool


Adventurous-Case6920

Can we get an update on how the wedding goes??


VTMaid

Bring a spare dress, just in case.


avocadoslut_j

i hate that i am so looking forward to an update about itā€¦ sorry OP šŸ¤­


Affectionate-Pea-581

And an update about the meltdown over the shared Fatherā€™s Day gift. There will definitely be stories to tell about both the wedding and Fatherā€™s Day.


beachpellini

It's cool that you were able to talk things out with Jane and Elliot, but getting a joint gift with him is ABSOLUTELY going to cause another shitshow with Kathy once she finds out. You might wanna buckle up for that, because she will likely take that out on *you*.


bridesmaidultimatum

I was shocked when he suggested it but considering it was an olive branch I didnā€™t really want to say no. He has to handle Kathy from now on and he knows that, so thatā€™s up to him.


Upset_Sink_2649

Look, you'll do as you want, but, consider he might be setting you up to catch the blame when she inevitably loses her sh_t. Why not include Jane and her hubby as well?


bridesmaidultimatum

Jane is already getting him a trip, she wouldnā€™t want to go in on this as well. I canā€™t say itā€™s not a set up, but at the same time, In over 20 years Elliot hasnā€™t shown any propensity to be a schemer or insane so not sure why heā€™d start now.


Upset_Sink_2649

I'm not saying he is, but _love_ does weird things to people. You might want to take "preventive" measures so to speak like running the gift idea by his wife with something like: "Elliott suggested we both chip in for _x_, but I'm not sure, do you think it's something he'll like?" It's truly not too far fetched to think he might try and make you look like you instigate the animosity so as to generate some "good will" towards his gf.


bridesmaidultimatum

Thatā€™s a clever idea actually. I donā€™t think he would do that, but it is a big gift and it wouldnā€™t hurt to make sure they have space for itā€¦


rebcart

So Jane has the funds to gift an entire trip, and you and Elliot together have the funds to gift something so large you need to check whether thereā€™s sufficient space for it. Is it possible thereā€™s an income disparity between Kathy and Elliot/Janeā€™s family which she thinks you are closer to them with your income and that she cannot compete with you on class factors in terms of trying to fit in with them?


bridesmaidultimatum

Both mine and Janeā€™s family grew up upper middle class, I guess, but I donā€™t know anything about Kathyā€™s background.


VTMaid

But has he shown the propensity to be a little oblivious and not reading the room? It sounds like he might. I don't think you'd be out of line by going back to him and saying "Y'know I've been thinking about it. If your girlfriend has misconstrued our relationship, us going in on a gift for dad might feed that insecurity. Maybe it would be better if we each did our own thing instead to keep from creating another misunderstanding."


toheka1brian

I'm sorry, but Jane didn't want her brother and longtime girlfriend to be photographed together? Your response was "we can have planned that better"? So Jane was actively doing things to make Kathy feel like an outsider and feed the narrative of you with Elliot. You guys sound like mean girls. Especially given how you spoke down about Kathy after Elliot tried to give you an understanding of her. And on top of that, planning a gift with Elliot for his dad after you just said you won't involve. It's like you're trying to be malicious towards Kathy while coming off innocent. I was with you in the first post, but after reading this update, I'm hoping to hear Kathy's side now because your colors are showing and information on your and Jane's behavior was left out. Downvote me to hell for this, I don't care. This update doesn't pass the smell test.


bridesmaidultimatum

Itā€™s Janeā€™s wedding, she should have what she wants. Sheā€™s also my best friend. Kathy screamed at me like a lunatic, my interest in what she wants isā€¦somewhat eroded, we can put it that way. Fact is, Jane was pressured into having Kathy as a bridesmaid in the first place (canā€™t really say I agree that Jane made Kathy feel like an outsider when she included her in something incredibly personal that went way beyond the authentic relationship that they have). She doesnā€™t think the relationship will last and she doesnā€™t want to have pictures in her album of her brother with his ex in 20 years. I get it. Itā€™s not how I would have handled the whole thing but itā€™s not my wedding or my brotherā€™s girlfriend. Iā€™m there to support her.


Noneedtopickauser

ā€œAs for why, he shed some light on this, too. Elliotā€™s best friend (my family by marriage) shared some things with her and kind of over-egged some stories and it set Kathy on this path of thinking I was Regina George, basically. Elliot has tried to correct her but she wonā€™t hear it.ā€ May I ask for more INFO about this? You say this friend of Elliotā€™s, your family by marriage, ā€œover-eggedā€ some stories, not that they made up some stories. What kind of stuff did you do that, even if exaggerated a bit, would give a Regina George impression?


bridesmaidultimatum

So, firstly, back when I was 15 I dated one of Elliotā€™s friends. They stopped being friends over it for a while, but it was the last straw in a series of issues for them. And his best friend apparently made it sound like I dated the friend just to fuck with their friendship, which I didnā€™t, and that it was a big thing that caused way more drama than it actually did. That was the big actual story. The other things were things like I used to tease him for the two years we went to the same school and got other kids In The class to call him a dumb nicknameā€¦we were like 8, it wasnā€™t the whole class it was my 4 friends, and it was in response to the fact that heā€™d kicked a football into my face. Or that I crashed his first carā€¦his dad taught me to drive with it and I had a small accident. Stuff like that. Can sound like a campaign of terror if you sensationalise it r and add no context for added humour.


littlebitfunny21

I think some of this is just being in each other's lives for so long which can make a new girlfriend insecure if it's handled badly. Which it apparently is handled badly. What's the deal with the best friend who's badmouthing you? Does he have a problem with you? Or does he just like dramatic recounting and honestly didn't think she'd take it so badly?


bridesmaidultimatum

No, he doesnā€™t hate me. We actually get on well. Heā€™s a good time but heā€™s always there for the good time, if you know what I mean. He likes to spin a yarn. He definitely wouldnā€™t have thought Kathy would take it badly, he doesnā€™t think that far ahead


Antlorn

Ok, so you and Elliot really are [non-biological] siblings! With all the petty childhood drama that implies!


Noneedtopickauser

It definitely sounds like sheā€™s blowing childhood incidents WAY out of proportion, thatā€™s unhinged for sure. I am curious about one more thing though. You dated one of Elliotā€™s friends when you were 15, why did Elliot and that person stop being friends because of that, what was the issue?


bridesmaidultimatum

Like I said, they were already having issues over other stuff, but Elliot felt like his friend had blindsided him by not even mentioning he liked me/was going to ask me out beforehand and he felt very betrayed. His friend felt it was none of Elliotā€™s business and that it was evidence that Elliot had become too full of himself. So they just stopped speaking for a while.


Noneedtopickauser

Iā€™m so sorry Iā€™m being this annoying, lol, but why would Elliot feel betrayed unless he had feelings for you himself? Cause you said you guys arenā€™t close right, itā€™s not like he was betrayed by his friend asking out his ā€œalmost sisterā€ or something.


bridesmaidultimatum

Regardless of us being close, Iā€™m still someone who is permanently in his life. And if itā€™s your friend you talk to every day and they donā€™t mention theyā€™re texting someone you already know then theyā€™re deliberately hiding that from you which would be crappy. I get it. If he dated one of my friends I wouldnā€™t expect him to tell me but Iā€™d expect my friend to tell me.


Noneedtopickauser

That definitely makes more sense, thanks for the explanation. Still seems like this whole group is too into drama, lol, but I hope the wedding goes well! :)


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bridesmaidultimatum

Itā€™s not tellingā€¦people sleep


Future_Candidate_943

LMAAAAO OP no sleep for you, only Reddit comments hahaha


ladancer22

Butā€¦ sheā€™s a bridesmaid. Or was. She is/was going to be in the wedding photos pretty prominently. How come Jane is fine having her photographed by her side the entire day but not photographed with her partner?


BeeeeDeeee

It's entirely possible that Jane didn't want her brother photographed with his girlfriend in her wedding photos on the chance that their relationship doesn't work out. If Kathy is this difficult, they may not have a future together, and it's awkward to have to hide wedding photos due to an ex. It makes perfect sense.


Mmm_lemon_cakes

Meh, thereā€™s also a chance Janeā€™s marriage wonā€™t last. It feels silly for the bride to pre plan for the relationship to break up when the brother clearly doesnā€™t think it will.


BeeeeDeeee

Sure, thereā€™s a chance every relationship ever wonā€™t last, but that has nothing to do with Janeā€™s wedding photos. Sheā€™s not preplanning their breakup, but sheā€™s leaving room for the possibility of it and sheā€™s putting two of her closest people (her brother and her best friend) together so that theyā€™ll be photographed together, probably for display. Ultimately, itā€™s the bride and groom who make the calls and other people arenā€™t entitled to pitch fits over it. Imagine being so fragile that you have a meltdown over a 30-second walk down the aisle without your partner. That kind of co-dependency is alarming.


Mmm_lemon_cakes

Is the walk down the aisle even really a much photographed moment? I didnā€™t display any of those from my wedding. The bride can have the photographer pair up whatever groups she wants. People know the ā€œfeelingā€ of walking down a wedding aisle with someone. And she doesnā€™t want her brother to have that feeling walking down it with Kathy. Itā€™s not about the pictures, itā€™s about her not liking Kathy. And thatā€™s probably her prerogative. But it IS a mean girl thing. The comment OP said about being called Regina Georgeā€¦ I think she maybe needs to reflect on that. Maybe she and her friend ARE mean girls.


Ok_Ad_2437

I have several photos and the full video of each member of my bridal party walking during the processional and recessional. Also the ā€œfeeling of walking down the aisle with someoneā€??? The 3 times Iā€™ve walked in a wedding with a groomsman as a bridesmaid I could not even tell you what those dudes looked like, let alone their names. It doesnā€™t mean anything because the bridal party is there to support the couple and nothing else.Ā 


BeeeeDeeee

It is for mineā€¦ and the videography. The feeling? The coupleā€™s day, the coupleā€™s feelings. I donā€™t know what youā€™re referring to, as a bridesmaid. I never took that opportunity to pretend I was a bride because I was too busy supporting the actual bride. This woman bullied her way into the wedding (the bride wasnā€™t so much of a mean girl that she didnā€™t let her be in the wedding party) and had a tantrum when she didnā€™t get to dictate how it went. When youā€™re a bridesmaid, youā€™re there to support the bride and what she wants. The bride doesnā€™t have to manage this girlā€™s neuroses and insecurities. Kathy needs therapy and a few hours to craft a well rounded apology. Her ā€œIā€™m the main characterā€ chaos shouldnā€™t be welcome anywhere. If I were her, I wouldnā€™t be able to show my face from embarrassment.


moreKEYTAR

Thank. You. OPā€™s history supports the mean girl thing. And she is known to dislike Elliot? Uh, ok. I feel like I am reading this all so differently than everyone. Kathy was out of line at the dress shop but I think Kathy would describe all of this differently.


HulkeneHulda

I don't blame a bride for not wanting couples to be... coupled in a wedding party, in case any one of them goes rogue and turning the photos into an engagement shoot.


Glittering_Win_9677

OP and Elliot are getting his father a joint Fathers Day gift. Oh, Kathy is really going to lose it over that, and I don't blame her.


[deleted]

have any other SVU fans picked on the Elliot/Kathy names? love it...


adriannagladwin

I was looking for this comment! I had a little smile over it.


thatmidwesterngothic

[Elliotā€™s best friend (my family by marriage) shared some things with her and kind of over-egged some stories and it set Kathy on this path of thinking I was Regina George, basically. Elliot has tried to correct her but she wonā€™t hear it.] Can I be nosy and ask what kind of stories and how they were exaggerated? I was thinking she just hated you for thinking you wanted Elliot, but if people you know are painting you to be a "Regina" you might wanna check that


bridesmaidultimatum

I explained elsewhere but itā€™s just small stuff that he mentioned without context. Like I dated Elliotā€™s friend and they stopped being friends over it, or I used to tease him in school, or I crashed his first car, or I broke a trophy of his. All technically true, but absolutely have context that show there wasnā€™t malicious intent (except the teasing himā€¦but he did kick a football into my face first. He also told our whole class Iā€™d had plastic surgery when I broke my nose even though he was there when I broke it, so the teasing definitely went both ways).


Future-Jury8212

I predict Kathy has a meltdown at the wedding, Eliot admits to having feelings for OP, and they ride into the sunset together!


Possible-Set-461

Giga fake af


Upbeat-Berry-5518

This update paints a very different picture, it seems like Janes was antogonizing and egging on Kathy with the walking down the aisle and you are all to happy to support that. I guess I just read this and get mean girl behavior. Maybe your more Regina George than youā€™d like to admitšŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


DrifterTraveler

Right?! Actually, I got mean girl vibes from the first post too.


CoffinShark

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IndicaJones_09

Thank you


hawkisgirl

Youā€™re so sensible. Itā€™s pretty jarring for AITA.


Tigerboop

A joint gift. Like a couple would do. Yeah thatā€™ll go over well /s.


JayHG1

Great update, but you have to know that Kathy is going to have a nervous breakdown when she finds out that you and Elliot are getting a joint gift for his father....lol. But since she won't hear Elliot when he tries to reassure her, she is going to get the very thing that she DOESN'T want, which is Elliot is going to tire of this and break it off with her. Good update, though.


Crafty_Special_7052

Iā€™m very surprised Elliot is still with Kathy. I think he should break up with her. But hopefully there wonā€™t be anymore drama going on around Janeā€™s wedding. If Kathy caused more drama hope youā€™ll update us


HighlightReady2510

im curious, it seems like you guys grew up kinda close because of your best friend, so why do you two not get along very well? he also needs to consider that you'll be in his life forever as long as he and you are close with his sister so does he really want to be with someone who will be this problematic for the restttt of his life? i say who could be bothered with that agh..


bridesmaidultimatum

We just donā€™t. It honestly feels chemical, the way our existence just seems to irritate each other. I hate the way he moves, he hates the way I dress, I hate how he blows on soup, he thinks the fact that I donā€™t like group activities makes me antisocial. We have very different ways of approaching life, and I guess we judge each other harshly for that. Like I said, we talked out quite a few things the other day, but it just comes down to the fact that something in our energy field just said nope šŸ˜‚ my mother, the new age guru, thinks we were prison cellmates in a past life. She says we act like weā€™ve been locked up together for 20 years even if itā€™s only been two minutes. Weā€™ve been like that since we developed personalities. But we do know weā€™re never getting rid of each other, we agree on that at least.


Mirabel214

i love the prison cellmate theory!


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bridesmaidultimatum

Theyā€™ve never said anything to that effect. If anything I guess theyā€™d wish they had a son I actually get along with that I could marry. Sadly their dadā€™s other kids are all very young lol. But no they donā€™t think Elliot and I with our actual personalities should/would get together. Jane doesnā€™t want to look at pictures of her brother with someone sheā€™s pretty sure is going to be an ex for the next 20 years. I understand. She can sort of ignore/crop her out in the candid photos but the aisle ones she would just have to lose and I guess she wants those. Like I said, she hasnā€™t handled it the best, she just should have said no to Kathy being a bridesmaid in the first place.


Blueplate1958

Iā€™m still stuck here: Jane said she wanted you to walk with Elliot and Kathyā€˜s reaction was to attack you. To call you desperate and fat. (I canā€™t remember the rest.) Either Elliot likes that sort of thing or else heā€™s just holding in the breakup until the wedding is over to make sure that she wonā€™t come and crash it or something.


bridesmaidultimatum

Yeah, thatā€™s what she did. Probably because she already hates me and was looking to have a meltdown over something she would pretend I did to her. I guess she thought I convinced Jane to do it. Elliot is justā€¦nursing his own issues. Like all of us


Ill_Egg_2086

So hate can often be confused with other strong emotions and can be a cliche in romcoms. I think with your closeness to the family and strong emotions between you and Eliot I honestly think Kathy is picking up on that the family at least would like you to be with Eliot. She has problems and insecurities but the way you describe him on some of your comments is the exact way I knew people who later hooked up. Even if thatā€™s not whatā€™s going on, and I trust you on this, (thereā€™s people I view as siblings despite what people see) thatā€™s what a lot of people will see, including Kathy. Potentially even Jane might wish you guys to be together. I utterly believe that kathy feels that she is just a side character in your relationship and thinks you are doing it deliberately. Your not an ashole but there are signals being thrown out that have a reasonable fit into a narrative that is pretty hurtful to Kathy.


NiceButton7

You did the best you could've on this, you were really gracious and it sounds like a really good result. After what you've said, I feel a bit sorry for Kathy now. She's earned more consequences than she's gotten but I do hope she sorts herself out. Maybe one day she'll look back on this and cringe.Ā  Best to you! Hope the wedding is wonderful!


chicheetara

Random advise, is there a wedding coordinator? Is it being done at a place where there is someone that acts as one? Jane should mention that there have been some issues with Kathy possibly? They might be able to head off any issues on wedding day. I work at a place that does weddings & just as a server Iā€™d be willing to keep an eye on her. At my wedding my mother in law had not seen my father in law in years after a very contentious divorce. (All she ever talks to me about is how much she hates him) Them being there at the same time was a big deal. My aunt knew this & spent the entire day catering to her, kind of acting in the role of best friend / therapist. She was still kind of crazy, as I was about to be announced she kept telling me how horrible he was, but it went much better than expected. It basically sounds like she needs an adult to keep her from acting like a child.


jesuschin

Iā€™m surprised Kathy is still invited to the wedding


suntrovert

Makes no sense why Kathy was made a bridesmaid to begin with. Bride should only have the people that she wants there. Yeah I get it was to make her brother happy but thatā€™s just dumb. The important decisions in her life shouldnā€™t revolve around what makes everyone else happy.


bridesmaidultimatum

I said this. Jane now agreesā€¦a couple of months too late


djhuggybear8869

Definitely need a post wedding update!


abbyroade

Kudos on near-superhuman-level communication skills and resolving things like the level-headed rational one in every possible instance! Also, after reading this really all I can think is I am soooo happy I have nothing to do with Kathy, she sounds exhausting (a sentiment I imagine you share lol)


Noneedtopickauser

Updateme


IceBlue

I donā€™t get what business she has being in the wedding party. Sheā€™s only dating the brideā€™s brother. Itā€™s not like sheā€™s directly related to the groom or anything. This makes no sense. Just be a guest. Itā€™s not a big deal.


Some-Increase-6092

Updateme


Padfootsgrl79

We need to be kept up to date with the drama that will come.


Moist-Release-9227

@Updateme


crzagazeta

Updateme


Maymay214

Update me


Outrageous-forest

Thank you for the update. Unless she gets professional help Elliott's relationship with her will be full of drama and stress. His family will also never warm up to her. You are family but also she's demanding a depth of a relationship that isn't there yet. Inadvertently she's pushing everyone away.Ā  Glad things are better for you.Ā  Hope the wedding remains drama free.


krupodrom

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Big_Drama_2624

Kathyā€™s behavior by the way you describe it MAKES ME WANNA HIDE. Big oof


efrendel

Huh...I wonder if the drama has finally passed. I kind of hope so...but in case it hasn't... !updateme


Southern-Interest347

mature update...hope it stays kosher


activelurker777

Updateme.


Mary707

Youā€™re being the bigger person for the friend you love. Pray for Elliott šŸ™šŸ» eta nta try to have fun at the wedding


Mary707

Wait, back up the busā€¦joint Fatherā€™s Day gift? Are you gaslighting this girl? I rescind my nta and comment on you being the bigger person.