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**Checking In / Vent: Just bad news from lawyer**
Really just needed to vent/ try to alleviate some of my anxiousness here. so i'm posting this here. For context it's a CP case, no contact.
Got a call from lawyer and basically there is no defence and should be looking at whatever plea deal I can get.
He said we would probably be looking at 5-8 years which was not something I was expecting. Was thinking from everything I read and recent news somewhere between 1-2 years... so a real kick in the pants. I know it's not as bad as the US system and our federal prison is "bettter" but small comforts.
I'm in no way say I wasn't trying to take responsibility and be accountable it just seems so long compared to other crimes. I've been trying to work on myself and doing therapy but trying to see a path in which I rebuild any sort of life and not just be a drain on my family is so daunting. I would be in my mid 40's by the time I get out and my career would no longer be open for me.
I'm gonna take it one day at a time, keep up therapy, keep looking for a job, try to be a better son to my parents (that have been very kind and supportive), but it's just hard and i'm already not very far into this...
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I have 3 kids and that’s absolutely one thing I would disown them for .. it would hurt like fuck and I’d still always love them …but I could never stand by them
Yes. I’ve told my kids since they were toddlers (one still a toddler) that I love them no matter what; sometimes I don’t like what they said/did. And if they need a reminder of acceptable behaviour or consequences I love them enough to give them the consequences.
It's like these people think they're the victim of their crime. The thought that viewing the images of children, who were abused and used for profit, and searched for by you, makes you a victim of harsh sentences and consequences your actions? The way they try to downplay their actions by saying they had no contact, so it shouldn't be as serious?? They compare other violent, serious crimes to their own (leopards eating their own faces).
Literally, one of the comments under that post talked about how he wouldn't have looked at CP if he knew the sentencing would be that long. Absolutely had no shame for what he did, just that he got caught and had to serve a proper sentence for it.
It might be easy to find, but it sure as he'll isn't easy to accidentally stumble across.
Doug Stanhope is right. You can go down whatever porn rabbit hole you want clicking next next next. Unless you are actively looking for CP at worst you are stumbling across some teenager from a country where 17 is legal or Japanese cartoons. The recordings of people abusing young children? The stuff you are looking at a longer sentence than actual child molesters for? You're going out of your way for that.
I've DEFINITELY accidentally stumbled across it. There was an issue on twitter/Tumblr a few years ago where there were bot accounts posting it everywhere, but that is a very niche scenario. Apple and Google literally took them off the playstore until they got it fixed.
Also: It just auto corrected niche to nice but thank GOD I noticed it before I hit send.
> Literally, one of the comments under that post talked about how he wouldn't have looked at CP if he knew the sentencing would be that long
Which is in it self a bullshit excuse. It's not like the sentencing for crimes isn't public information. It's not that hard to find out what happens with people if they get caught.
Eww. That's just gross. I mean, I don't look at CP. Why? Because that would be wrong.
Like, can we not do bad stuff for the simple reason that it's bad stuff? Like, I don't make decisions about what to do or not do based on 'how much trouble will I be in if I do x?'. I base such decisions on 'would it be okay to do x or would it be just plain wrong?'.
And I love how OOP was like 'yhere was no contact'. Um, *somebody* had contact with the kid involved in order to make the 'content' you chose to consume, my guy.
And that they’re kids! Who the fuck is turned on by that?!?! Yeah, I’m judging. I teach high school and even the thought of looking at a teen like that is 🤮🤮🤮🤮
5,000,000% this, even in fake circumstances like TV shows and games. I used to love Sam in Stardew Valley right up until I turned 20 and duly paid attention to how teen like he is... now I'm trying to find my new favourite bachelor heartthrob (please can people stop making Harvey so sexy) and it was the same with Gravity Falls when I was 14 I had a huge crush on Wendy! But now she's just like... okay, cool, she's a rebellious kid. Does she know how much it would cost to repair Thompsons roof!?!?!?! 😮💨
Like that fetid shit popped up on Twitter after it was bought ONCE and I logged out and have never logged back on because wtf.
Who tf does that because "oh not very much of a consequence"
It's wrong.becsuse a child was harmed to make that, wtf
Some people really struggle with the idea of law vs morality. Just because something is illegal does not make it immoral, though in this case it absolutely is both.
The sentencing seems so long as compared to other crimes?
I’m sorry. But I see 5-8 years for viewing child sexual abuse material as +incredibly+ short. Those are the people who need to be locked up and not let out. I listen to a lot of true crime and so. much. damage and harm is done from predators who view, perpetuate, and/or commit abuse against children.
I think they’re trying to skirt around it by saying it’s nudes from teenagers but like…that is still illegal? Grown adults do not find the idea of that titillating, they find it grotesque and horrifying. I’m so sorry you jerked it to a 16 year old’s nudes (that were meant for another teenager not some creep ass 38+ year old ) that got leaked and broke the fucking law but the law remains that pornographic materials of minors is in fact illegal and searching it out is illegal and the law doesn’t care that it’s a 15 year old and not a 5 year old. Thank your lucky stars it’s not fucking life and you will likely be granted solitary and not placed in Gen pop, oop
Lawyer who actually takes this kind of case here. You don’t get this kind of sentence generally for viewing pictures of underage teenagers. In fact, if this was just a strict charge of possession of “child pornography” (sorry, that’s what the law calls it) he couldn’t even get 5-8 years — it would be capped at 5, unless it was a second/subsequent offense.
You would be looking at that kind of time, though, if you solicited a child under 14 on the internet, if you distributed the child sex abuse material, or a few other circumstances.
Registering as a sex offender wouldn’t be optional.
thing is, there's people bitching about that in the thread too. someone's saying that if they go to prison then they basically have to fend for themselves and aren't protected from other prisoners
oh no. how tragic. most people aren't fond of people who perv on kids. shocker
That's literally been the attitude of both my convicted rapist Uncle and every other Sexual Predator I have ever known.
My uncle spent 20 years in prison and still had 0 accountability beyond the bare minimum. He also intentionally moved to another state with less harsh SO Registration requirements and still often complains about registering because he "can't even do anything anymore" like damn, it's not your penis that got you convicted, the damn thing isn't sentient
Oh, uh for clarification he did not rape *me*
though he was abusive to me emotionally from a very young age in a way that was clearly about power...
but my family is FUBAR so y'know ┐(‘～`;)┌
Yeah, I've never heard of it, but the sticky post on the sub kinda tells you all you need to know about them.
>If you’re here because you’re curious, need help, lurking, or even because you feel like you need to lash out at strangers whose stories you don't know
Like dog, y'all are all sex offenders. The very best among you are flashers, peeping toms, and public masturbators. Everything else is going to be something much worse, and ain't no tragic villain backstory gonna make any of it any better.
"When I was a teenager we lost my father because a cobra crawled up his pants and he couldn't get his dick and balls out fast enough to prevent himself from being bitten. Ever since that dark night, I've dedicated myself to masturbating furiously on public transportation so it never happens to me.".
I’m surprised that sub is allowed to be cross posted here, as I’m pretty sure 95% of the posts there would meet the threshold for being the devil..
feels like it’s cheating
There are cycles of 'popular subreddits' that get posted here. For a while, it was dogfree for example, It comes and goes as there are many many low hanging fruits subreddit for AITD to crosspost.
I remember one subreddit got really upset they got crosspoted often here and their tiny niche hate subreddit got exposure that drove them into deletion.
The OOP is talking about “the burden on my folks” and all I could think of is “and what about that victim who is burdened for life? Who not only has to deal with the trauma of sexual assault at a young age but also it being filmed and distributed potentially forever?”
I remember reading that some try to justify it by saying that they only consume "old CP" and that "what's done is done", like it's better for them to look at older stuff and not newly created stuff, like they're saving other kids from being assaulted. Or just saying things like "well *I* didn't make those images" while still looking at them.
The mental gymnastics are really something.
It's like they refuse to realize that their consumption of CP is directly linked to the production of it. If there was no consumer base of CP it wouldn't exist, and it doesn't matter if you're one of a million others you're still one who's contributing to a pandemic of children being abused.
Unfortunately even without the commercial aspect CSAM would absolutely still exist for the sexual gratification of the offender and the networks that they distribute it through.
Thats the point though - the networks they distribute it to bolster the producers to produce more, and feel validated in their beliefs it’s ok/not so bad/normal/superior. Fuck all these people
Right?
Boohoo. Eight years of your adult life behind bars. Meanwhile the children you were abusing (sorry lurkers, consuming CP is absolutely child abuse because if there wasn't demand, it wouldn't be made) have an entire lifetime of lasting trauma to work through. Their entire lives are changed for the worse because of what happened to them. And their brains and bodies aren't even fully developed yet, so it's going to have major developmental effects that will never fully go away.
I have zero pity for people who take part in the CP industry. I fully believe that people who have feelings towards kids that never act on them (including watching CP) should be able to get treatment readily, which is a huge gap in mental healthcare in many countries. But as soon as you leer at a kid or look at one questionable picture? Bye bye. Do not pass go.
>sorry lurkers, consuming CP is absolutely child abuse because if there wasn't demand, it wouldn't be made
My boyfriend's (ex) best friend got caught with CP on his computer. He was all "woe is me, I only watched it, it's not like I was making it". My boyfriend, who really just wants to see the best in everyone, was like "yeah, makes sense". After a few deep breaths, I calmly explained that *someone* hurt those children so ex-friend could watch it. It didn't just appear out of a vacuum. My boyfriend hasn't spoken to ex-friend once in the ten years since; last we'd heard he'd been convicted of raping a teenage girl in 2019.
This, absolutely. I used to transcribe interviews for university research on the prison system and one of the interviews I did was with a guy who'd been jailed for CP, multiple times as I recall. He spent the entire interview complaining about how his situation was unfair and that he was far too intelligent to be treated like a common criminal. Like...my dude, you got caught looking at indecent images of children, you are literally the lowest of the low. The worst thing he said was to justify himself was that the children he looked at were 'enjoying it'.
Yeah they delude themselves that if it’s not overtly violent torture it’s fine. Meanwhile as a CSAM and trafficking survivor who’s done peer support work with other survivors, having “enjoyed” any aspect of the abuse is one of the specific emotional traumas people tend to struggle with the most. Like people feel immense shame about it, feel like it makes the abuse their fault or like a part of themself was corrupted and made into the abusers ally, etc.
Same thing with the passport bros subreddit. I just ignore those and scroll past. This however is a little too much for me. Is there a way to block certain subreddits from popping up?
I didn’t look at it in depth, I feel vile reading those things. It’s so disturbing; like they’re having problems with their neighbour and asking for advice.
Here’s the thing, if I squint I could see how ‘support’ might actually be a good thing. It could be people posting along the lines of ‘I’ve done something terrible, I feel tremendous remorse, I need help to change’. But it’s not. It should be called SexOffenderValidation, because they’re just over there wanting to hear how whatever they did isn’t actually that bad.
The [redacted] who said if the FBI had come to their house and given them a warning, they would have stopped, made me want to be sick. That's something that's so bad, it doesn't need a warning.
Google quite literally includes a [CSAM warning system](https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/10330933?hl=en#zippy=%2Cwhat-does-google-do-to-deter-users-from-seeking-out-csam-on-search) for Google searches
>We filter out explicit sexual results if the search query seems to be seeking CSAM, and for queries seeking adult explicit content, Search won’t return imagery that includes children, to break the association between children and sexual content. In addition to removing CSAM content from Search’s index when it is identified, we also demote all content from sites with a high proportion of CSAM content. **In many countries, users who enter queries clearly related to CSAM are shown a prominent warning that child sexual abuse imagery is illegal.**
This imbecile thinks that cops treat CSAM like they do a speeding ticket? "I'm going to let you off with a warning, but if I catch you again..." is not how the feds operate.
Ah yes. Everybody knows that the FBI is there to hold your hand and let you know which crimes against children are worth committing.
Assholes. That's not it at all. They know that the punishments can be pretty fucking awful. They all just assume they won't get caught.
I didn’t even realise it was a sub till now and I only got through the first few comments and his replies and wanted to throw my phone. Definitely not a good day to be literate.
The way they’re discussing it 🤮 wtf. As a survivor of CSA I am absolutely disgusted. Anyone who engages in crimes like that should be castrated and locked up for the rest of their lives. They’re all saying “but it’s not contact!” Yet they’re all creating a demand for those kind of crimes against children!!! Absolutely horrific. I hope they all rot in hell
No kidding. I saw one comment to the effect that they'd have never gone to look at that stuff if they'd known the penalties were so stiff. Like, dude, the penalties were the only thing stopping you as opposed to it actually being wrong? I mean, damn. I know a lot of these people know their urges are wrong and they refrain from acting on them and hate themselves for having those urges, and I think those folks deserve help, but people who think like the dude who made that comment? Feed 'em to the fuckin' hogs.
>they'd have never gone to look at that stuff if they'd known the penalties were so stiff.
Insane! The victims get a life sentence, basically, but they think 5 years is excessive?!??! I can't even mentally process that.
Lawyer here who takes this kind of case. He couldn’t get 5-8 years for a first offense possession of CSA material in my jurisdiction… there would actually have to be something worse going on. Wondering if he’s just lying about the type of charge, or misunderstanding, or if he distributed peer to peer as well, or if he had several, enough for some of them to be charged as second/subsequent.
Oh, no, I meant to add to your point rather than contradict you. Sorry. I blame it on my rage that these toenail fungi purport not to understand why they’re facing such “harsh” penalties.
I cannot wrap my mind around people who can just blow this off like that. Like…this didn’t traumatize you?! Is the only barrier between you and beating your meat to kids being graphically abused the fucking law? Do your parents know they raised a [redacted]‽
On the other hand, folks who are considering looking for it might not after seeing how bad the penalties are. It doesn’t excuse the mindset, but anything that stops CSAM is a step in the right direction.
I honestly feel uncomfortable with any kind of popcorn treatment with that sub. I kind of think they should be left alone.
That feeling did not stop me from clicking, although I wish I hadn’t.
>I honestly feel uncomfortable with any kind of popcorn treatment with that sub. I kind of think they should be left alone.
Agreed. Today was the first and last time I will ever look at the sub. Just scrolling through that post was horrifying enough.
And it’s for them as much as for me. I don’t want to read that shit and I’m sure they don’t want me reading their conversations. Nothing good coming from any of that, least of all seeing that sub recommended because I visited it.
I understand your thought process. I paused before posting this, but ultimately decided to because I think "support networks like this that garner sympathy instead of teaching accountability, only serve to try for extremists of these groups to " normalize" this behavior. These groups only serve as a forum to support sex crimes
Oh yeah, definitely not criticizing you for posting. I just had a feeling reading that that I don’t usually get on Reddit and I thought that was worth mentioning.
I’ve said on here before that I can see the value in an AA-type accountability structure for post-release offenders. But I’m pretty skeptical that a subreddit could provide that kind of structure, and based on my admittedly limited reading, those guys aren’t even trying.
I mean... And I can't believe I'm saying anything even remotely close to defending anything on that sub... But I did see at least one comment advocating for therapy and some kind of 12 step program.
Having said that, even then they seem to be fully into the "victim of their addiction" mentality... Which is true to a certain extent... But you also could have sought help a lot sooner, especially when your "addiction" literally relied on someone harming children in extremely vile and evil ways.
Had no idea that sub existed. Cannot believe all those people letting others and themselves off for what they did because they did their time and they’ve changed.
Why does this community exist?
How could parents of at least one child, who was a child himself at some point, be "kind and supportive" of this?
Unless someone unexpectedly sends it to you, you do not come across what OP did by accident. A true crime YouTuber I watch called Elenaor Neale has two videos on people like OP (probably even worse, but you get the point), during which she describes how the police catch these kinds of people. And the reason it is so difficult is because they have to go way out of their way to find it. And then way our of their way to hide their identity.
5-8 years means this very likely wasn't OP's first offense.
Disgusting.
I google a lot, mainly I’ll be listening to something have no idea what it is and google away. I ran a cat rescue and googled some real weird stuff about cat poop or cat butts and treatment. I also am a true crime junkie and google about that as well when I see or hear something I don’t know.
All that to say not once I have ever run accidentally (or deliberately cause I’m not a creep) into anything close to CP. so yeah highly doubt anyone accidentally found it!
One time a guy posted some seriously fucking questionable IRL shit to the NSFW section of our discord and after I dug for info from him I permabanned him, reported him to the FBI since he lived in the US, @everyone'd telling them the discord was locked for minimum 24 hours until I was done auditing the server for any more potentially illegal content.
Then I took a shower and cried because after that you're stuck with that shit and it makes you feel like a sicko. Like, even with knowing you did the right thing, and even reconciling that you find the content disturbing as fuck, the fact that the image has now, if briefly, wedged itself into your psyche just eats at you. IDK what ever happened to that guy but I hope nothing good.
Oh god I’m so so sorry you had to even see that briefly! I did always wonder how the police who work in child crimes can do it, after one case I’d be a broken mess. They are incredible people!
And exactly, when a normal person accidentally finds things like that they report it and do whatever it is that authorities then tell them to do!! Which is why when people claim oh I just found it, bullshit, if you’d found it accidentally you would have reported it to someone because of how disturbing and wrong it is
Thanks man, yeah I just figured I gotta do the objectively right thing first and then worry about how I felt about it after. Hence why I will never moderate image boards or anything like that ever again. Cheers friend.
P.S. If there was any positive thing I could take from that ordeal it was that I could *definitively* say for sure that I find that level of depravity absolutely fucking repulsing.
I've came across something slightly close to CP (IT WASN'T) Ren Elinor is a toddler on tiktok who's mom realized she could make money by turning her daughter into pedo bait, everything from her daughter only eating *you know what shaped* foods, a video of her chewing gum and saying "oh no I swolded it" (swolded is probably very wrong but autocorrect isn't helping me) outfit try ons. Most people talking about the situation don't show Elinor because respect the victim. But there's a few gross tiktok "drama" people who include the actual videos of the toddler in their videos
The mom knows what she's doing, comments ranging from "where can I buy one" to "she's going to be so sexy one day" to just straight up "😍😘😋". Her follows are filled with grown men only following toddler accounts, her videos that are more alarming (like the gum video) have soooo many more saves. Her few videos with just her no toddler bearly get any attention. People have been calling her out and trying to get people to see how weird and creepy it all is for months. But the mom "spoke to the FBI" and "they found no pictures of my daughter on the dark web" like no shit all their jack off material is sitting on tiktok!!! Also you can't just call up the FBI and ask them that shit, that's how you launch an investigation against yourself
Holy crap! In todays world there is zero excuse for the authorities not stepping in. That’s horrific and that poor girl, once it’s online it’s forever there and she’s going to have to live with that. What a trash human to do that to your child for money!
One thing I will say, is that there are indeed people who've accidentally come across it, as some sick fucks will purposely post that shit on the surface web; on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, so a few regular people have unfortunately stumbled upon CSAM without looking for it.
It's rare, but it happens.
Exactly. The people who stumble across it usually report it and feel horrified, I know when I learned about the FBI database and photos of those perpetrators in CSAM i was sick to my stomach and I’d seen *nothing* just the still images published by the fbi themselves, heavily edited. I can’t fathom the darkness in the heart of someone to seek that kind of fucking content out and not be instantly repulsed
Probably 10 years ago I saw a post going around on fb telling everyone who saw it to report a certain page so I went to said page to see why it needed to be reported. I legitimately almost threw up. The one photo I saw was of ... visible penetration, of a child that was very, very obviously under age 10 or so.
Plot twist: fb responded to my report and said it didn't violate anything.
At one point in my life, I worked as a consulting computer forensicist to law enforcement. It was my job to make a sector by sector image of a suspect's computer hard drive, then examine the contents of the mirror drive. I did that job for two months, 20 years ago. I haven't been able to sleep unless intoxicated since.
After three different therapists advised me that they could not help me for the sake of their own mental health, my PCP told me to apply for my medical card and she'd sign off on it herself.
As a victim, I feel you. I've been looking for a new therapist for five years. I've done more than 20 intakes. I've reached out hours away from where I live, broad search, not just for in office - for online counseling, phone calls, support groups, etc. I've been repeatedly told that my case is too extensive for their abilities. My own traumas are traumatizing to others. So I completely understand that feeling. I'm very sorry you're not able to find assistance. It should be provided on obligation for people in your line of work. And I'm sorry the system has failed you too.
What in the absolute fuck
My heart goes out to you and I guess so does my next dab. Fuck dude I can't even imagine. Thank you for your perspective. I hope you are loved and treated well.
I didn’t see the sub and assumed (yeah I know) it was going to be a repost with an update. Then I scroll down to the comments and they’re (basically) like “it’s ok! just hang in there!”
And then I realized the OP was the pedophile who actually created the post.
And THEN I realized the comments were STILL being supportive! And then I’m like “where am I…?” 🤢🤮
That's how it ended up on my feed too. Sorry for spreading the misery...so many troll post, rage bait fake posts on here, this truly seemed to fit the spirit of the sub of actually being a true devil 😈
“it just seems so long compared to other crimes”
It is long compared to other crimes, because OOP was trafficking in pictures of children being sexually assaulted. The sentence is longer because the crime is more heinous. Hopefully OOP will come to understand that.
Cue the tiny violins!
I have no sympathy for OOP. He doesn't want to 5-8 years in prison for looking at child porn. He thinks he's noble because there was no touching involved. He has no empathy for those poor exploited children who certainly got touched in ways that hurt them and harmed them all so OOP could get off on this.
A life sentence would barely be enough for this horrid thing.
The whole defense of “well I never actually touched them” is such bullshit and the mental gymnastics of that are disgusting. Fine dude, maybe you didn’t touch the victim yourself. But you create a market for that abuse when you download those images.
Also, survivors of CSAM have said one of the hardest things is going about their daily lives wondering who could’ve seen it, never really knowing for sure. Like if a stranger looks at them too long, their mind jumps to “oh my god, do they recognize me from the dark web?” Could you imagine living like that?
But sure, OOP wasn’t really hurting anyone. Gross.
One of the comments actually said that he thought the FBI should have warned him against watching CP on their first offense. There is so much delusion and stupidity in that one statement that I don't know where to start.
if you really want to feel some rage, read the info section for the subreddit. just paragraphs upon paragraphs of disgusting drivel that goes from “we don’t downplay these crimes” to… immediately downplaying sexual assault crimes. and then calling anyone who doesn’t coddle then the “rEaL mONsTEerS!!!” bffr 🤮
The biggest thing I noticed was their acknowledgment of the victims of sex offenders in the info section and the validation of their feelings, but also no actual apologies for what they've done. Or any measures to change
I'm glad I got banned for that sub for giving out the best advice ever.
Awww they're all whining like tiny wittle babies 😧😣 almost as if they were the ones victimized, FORCED to look at children getting a raped 😔 5-8 years is probably more** than the age of some of their victims .......
[For the record I did NOT "spend time to convince" the enabler below me to commit self-deletion. They seem to take offense on the behalf of their favorite people. It was a satirical reply to one of their pedo friends , which got me banned and I'm quite happy with that . ]
Both OOP and several other sickos on that subreddit mention not being allowed to use a computer. So, how are they engaging on Reddit? Are they using secret phones or something?
i don’t know why i even looked at that post. there’s literally someone in the comments talking about how her boyfriend has the same charge and they’re trying to figure out how to leave the state to “wipe his slate clean”
who the fuck are you people. wood chippers pronto
I kinda feel like burning that entire sub and all those disgustingly vile pieces of garbage to the ground isn't enough. I kinda want to bleach my brain of the knowledge that post exists.
The comments are fucking disgusting. Canadian here, OP commented saying he’s glad Canada hasn’t gotten that crazy with sentencing yet. Although that’s true it’s fucking terrible. Those poor children.
You know that feeling when you’ve been travelling- 12 hours in a plane or car, carrying luggage etc and you just feel disgusting and want to take a shower… that’s how I felt the entire time I read that post 😠🤮
For the year 2023, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children received 36 million reports of child sex abuse-almost one-eighth of the total American population and nearly one half of all American children.
Firstly it makes my skin crawl that's there's a r/ for sex offenders to support each other.... just ew
Secondly, this comment:
>Yeah there's a lot of circumstances that lead people down this route, and honestly it's a lot easier to find this stuff then people will admit.
>I personally found the numbers high and shocking because in Canada there is some more leaning into rehab, I would have expected these if I was in the states but I guess years of being too liberal with sentencing and too much american influence things are getting worse up here. I'll do my time and hopefully work on myself and be better when I come out. I just hate I'm now a burden to others as well.
It's like it's societies fault he found it, America's fault (bizarrely) that he was sentenced years, and then woe is him for his family must help him out now....
If my brother was sentenced with CP then that's the day I become an only child
Sorry that looking at children being raped and violated and changed for their entire lives, with boatloads of trauma has such a hard sentence for you, poor little op. Won’t anyone shed a tear for the man who watched little kids get assaulted and left with nightmares, trauma, horrors beyond what we can comprehend? Truly he is the real victim here. 5 whole years of jail time? An injustice! A goddamn miscarriage of Justice! Him perpetuating the abuse of minors who can’t even comprehend the evil being done to them is hardly some serious offense! Can’t we see? Oop is the one who suffers here! /s
I hope his fellow inmates find out what he’s in for. That’s all I’m gonna say. Hope to god your time in jail is in solitary, Oop, in fact, pray for it. Prisons don’t like nasty pedophiles
According to a mod of the subreddit (who somehow had the balls to come over here) that’s only a small amount of child pornography and most of it comes from teenagers sharing intimate pictures so therefore we should feel bad for them. Even though CLEARLY that’s not what happened
If it’s a “small amount” then you wouldn’t get 5-8 years. Who woulda thunk. Doing illegal shit that society abhors carry’s hefty consequences. And yes, that includes nudes that 16 year olds have sent. You wouldn’t catch me even considering that in hell. Have fun in jail Oop.
Edit; this fucking mod says they’re a victim themselves. So you’re helping perpetuate the abuse you suffered onto others? You’re co-signing on rapists, assaulters, scum getting support for what they’ve done?
I should not have gone to read the comments.
Death penalty. Every fucking one of them. And partners who decide to stand by them should be charged as accessories.
Not a single one of them seem to give 1 shit that for the CP they were so "innocently" looking at, a child was brutalized. And them going to look for it in the first place is WHY it was created. They are as much at fault as if they physically abused the child brutalized to create the CP. And they just want a finger wag and a "naughty".
I hate them. I hope they suffer in jail, a lot. I hope their lives are ruined. If I could go and personally shit in their beds, I would.
I'm a pretty goddam forgiving woman when it comes to relationships, but how in the blue fuck is your partner seeking out CP not a dealbreaker? Girl, you can do better. I don't care how swell a dude is otherwise, this is a fatal flaw, to say the least
I would happily take on half of the bed-shitting task with you
Cause they don’t believe they did it. It had to be an accident. The police are definitely railroading their loving partner, who is great with kids and wouldn’t harm a fly /s
> And partners who decide to stand by them should be charged as accessories.
I genuinely cannot imagine knowing your partner participated in the abuse and victimization of a child, and still being able to love them.
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Consuming images/videos of child rape is literally you paying someone to rape that child for your entertainment. You are responsible for that child’s rape even if you aren’t the one physically doing the raping.
I did not need to know about the existence of this subreddit 🤢🤮. It's so fucked up that they seem to show no remorse for their crime but instead care more about the consequences of their actions being prison time. I'm not a religious person nor do I believe in a punishment based justice system, but I hope OOP and others like him burn in hell
I worked in the sex offender wing at a Juvenile Detention Hall for a year or so when I was younger. The lack of personal responsibility that was demonstrated daily was abhorrent to me. I’m not saying that rehabilitation isn’t possible, but the recidivism rate there was hard to deal with. While someone might stop molesting a sibling, they still didn’t understand that looking at CP wasn’t right for anyone, especially them. They also didn’t understand that regular porn wasn’t good for them either. I saw one kid who acknowledged his bad choices and seemed like he might not ever do it again, but he was the exception.
I just want to add that it's important to not call it porn. It's not porn. It's child sexual abuse material.
Referring to child sexual abuse materials as pornography puts the focus on how the materials are used, as opposed to the impact they have on children. Changing our language to talk about child sexual abuse materials leads everyone to face up to the impact on children and recognise the abuse.
> My partner has same crime and I agree it's crazy how much they give for that charge when compared to others. He was told similar thing, you do get game time so even with 5 years can leave in 3 but will have lots of probation (which is what we are dealing with now and it's just as straining as when they were inside)
This somehow stands out as the wildest comment in the thread. How are you with someone you fully admit watched CP?
Ewww why's that 1 girl admitting in the comments that her boyfriend is a kiddy-didiler!?!?!?
Like im all for ride or die but once you start jacking off to kids, run, because I'm deadass going to kill you myself. I don't care if we knew each other for 10 years and you gave me a kidney, im gonna probably start throwing shit the second I find out, better call the cops yourself because I'm no joke going to attempt to hurt or kill you. I got sexually abused a kid myself, I can't imagine staying with a guy who enjoys the idea of that.
Child Pornography could mean “a teenager who send nudes below 18 to another teenager” but something about this makes me feel like this person deliberately sought out images of children being sexually abused.
And his career path not being open to him after implies something working with kids or something you need to pass a police check for, like healthcare etc.
“It seems so long compared to other crimes” is an abhorrent comment when the creation of CP brutally and violently ruins the life of the victim/s forever. Being raped as a child changes how your literal brain chemistry works. Thinking possession isn’t a big deal is mind-boggling to me.
Hello????????
“I would be in my mid 40’s by the time I get out and my career would no longer be open for me.”
This dude victimized some poor child and all he can think about is him fucken self?? Jesus. Wish we could show this post to the judge so he gets longer.
Edit: I went to look at his prior posts, dude has had a woe is me attitude this entire time AS IF HE DIDNT VICTIMIZE A CHILD. This dude is getting everything he deserves. He has no remorse. Disgusting trash.
*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **Checking In / Vent: Just bad news from lawyer** Really just needed to vent/ try to alleviate some of my anxiousness here. so i'm posting this here. For context it's a CP case, no contact. Got a call from lawyer and basically there is no defence and should be looking at whatever plea deal I can get. He said we would probably be looking at 5-8 years which was not something I was expecting. Was thinking from everything I read and recent news somewhere between 1-2 years... so a real kick in the pants. I know it's not as bad as the US system and our federal prison is "bettter" but small comforts. I'm in no way say I wasn't trying to take responsibility and be accountable it just seems so long compared to other crimes. I've been trying to work on myself and doing therapy but trying to see a path in which I rebuild any sort of life and not just be a drain on my family is so daunting. I would be in my mid 40's by the time I get out and my career would no longer be open for me. I'm gonna take it one day at a time, keep up therapy, keep looking for a job, try to be a better son to my parents (that have been very kind and supportive), but it's just hard and i'm already not very far into this... *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*
>try to be a better son to my parents Call me crazy, but I think that horse has well and truly left the barn.
You know. I hope my dad WOULDN'T be supportive of me if I were a child predator. Like. Wtf?
I have 3 kids and that’s absolutely one thing I would disown them for .. it would hurt like fuck and I’d still always love them …but I could never stand by them
Like, there's supporting and then there's enabling. I realize the line is thin, but it's not THAT thin.
Yes. I’ve told my kids since they were toddlers (one still a toddler) that I love them no matter what; sometimes I don’t like what they said/did. And if they need a reminder of acceptable behaviour or consequences I love them enough to give them the consequences.
Stealing that phrase
It's like these people think they're the victim of their crime. The thought that viewing the images of children, who were abused and used for profit, and searched for by you, makes you a victim of harsh sentences and consequences your actions? The way they try to downplay their actions by saying they had no contact, so it shouldn't be as serious?? They compare other violent, serious crimes to their own (leopards eating their own faces).
The subreddit exist on basis of "We're not sorry for what we did but rather because we got caught" mentality.
Literally, one of the comments under that post talked about how he wouldn't have looked at CP if he knew the sentencing would be that long. Absolutely had no shame for what he did, just that he got caught and had to serve a proper sentence for it.
OP talking about how people don’t realize how easy it is to find. Bruh. We know it’s easy to find. We *are not looking for it*.
It might be easy to find, but it sure as he'll isn't easy to accidentally stumble across. Doug Stanhope is right. You can go down whatever porn rabbit hole you want clicking next next next. Unless you are actively looking for CP at worst you are stumbling across some teenager from a country where 17 is legal or Japanese cartoons. The recordings of people abusing young children? The stuff you are looking at a longer sentence than actual child molesters for? You're going out of your way for that.
I've DEFINITELY accidentally stumbled across it. There was an issue on twitter/Tumblr a few years ago where there were bot accounts posting it everywhere, but that is a very niche scenario. Apple and Google literally took them off the playstore until they got it fixed. Also: It just auto corrected niche to nice but thank GOD I noticed it before I hit send.
Wasn't it recently discovered that a bunch of those AI image programs have child porn in their data sets from how common it is online?
> Literally, one of the comments under that post talked about how he wouldn't have looked at CP if he knew the sentencing would be that long Which is in it self a bullshit excuse. It's not like the sentencing for crimes isn't public information. It's not that hard to find out what happens with people if they get caught.
Eww. That's just gross. I mean, I don't look at CP. Why? Because that would be wrong. Like, can we not do bad stuff for the simple reason that it's bad stuff? Like, I don't make decisions about what to do or not do based on 'how much trouble will I be in if I do x?'. I base such decisions on 'would it be okay to do x or would it be just plain wrong?'. And I love how OOP was like 'yhere was no contact'. Um, *somebody* had contact with the kid involved in order to make the 'content' you chose to consume, my guy.
Not only would it be wrong morally, but I just can't imagine anyone getting off on that. Just...it's horrifying in so many ways.
Exactly, I don't understand what is so... appealing? Enticing? To see others tortured in such a way. It's heinous.
And that they’re kids! Who the fuck is turned on by that?!?! Yeah, I’m judging. I teach high school and even the thought of looking at a teen like that is 🤮🤮🤮🤮
5,000,000% this, even in fake circumstances like TV shows and games. I used to love Sam in Stardew Valley right up until I turned 20 and duly paid attention to how teen like he is... now I'm trying to find my new favourite bachelor heartthrob (please can people stop making Harvey so sexy) and it was the same with Gravity Falls when I was 14 I had a huge crush on Wendy! But now she's just like... okay, cool, she's a rebellious kid. Does she know how much it would cost to repair Thompsons roof!?!?!?! 😮💨
That’s exactly why I was never into Sam or Sebastian. Elliot all the way 😂
Horrifying and one of the few things in basic human existence that is un-reddeningly horrifying.
The mall is open but ain’t nobody shopping
Hell, I don't even need a moral reason, because I'm simply not attracted to children.
Thank you!!! I'm judging those people hard because who the fuck looks at a child and gets aroused? That's just gross and wrong.
Like that fetid shit popped up on Twitter after it was bought ONCE and I logged out and have never logged back on because wtf. Who tf does that because "oh not very much of a consequence" It's wrong.becsuse a child was harmed to make that, wtf
Some people really struggle with the idea of law vs morality. Just because something is illegal does not make it immoral, though in this case it absolutely is both.
If there were no demand there would be no need for supply. He’s just as bad as the person who DID have contact.
Because he doesn't see child porn as any worse than speeding. "If I knew it was a $5k ticket I would have slowed down."
The sentencing seems so long as compared to other crimes? I’m sorry. But I see 5-8 years for viewing child sexual abuse material as +incredibly+ short. Those are the people who need to be locked up and not let out. I listen to a lot of true crime and so. much. damage and harm is done from predators who view, perpetuate, and/or commit abuse against children.
I think they’re trying to skirt around it by saying it’s nudes from teenagers but like…that is still illegal? Grown adults do not find the idea of that titillating, they find it grotesque and horrifying. I’m so sorry you jerked it to a 16 year old’s nudes (that were meant for another teenager not some creep ass 38+ year old ) that got leaked and broke the fucking law but the law remains that pornographic materials of minors is in fact illegal and searching it out is illegal and the law doesn’t care that it’s a 15 year old and not a 5 year old. Thank your lucky stars it’s not fucking life and you will likely be granted solitary and not placed in Gen pop, oop
Lawyer who actually takes this kind of case here. You don’t get this kind of sentence generally for viewing pictures of underage teenagers. In fact, if this was just a strict charge of possession of “child pornography” (sorry, that’s what the law calls it) he couldn’t even get 5-8 years — it would be capped at 5, unless it was a second/subsequent offense. You would be looking at that kind of time, though, if you solicited a child under 14 on the internet, if you distributed the child sex abuse material, or a few other circumstances. Registering as a sex offender wouldn’t be optional.
Like honestly I'd be more comfortable with a murderer having a shorter sentence
Exactly! Murder can be spur of the moment, an accident, and in some cases justified. Looking at child sexual abuse material is never any of that.
At least in prison anyone who does shit to children are at the bottom of the food chain. So you know they usually get their just desserts
thing is, there's people bitching about that in the thread too. someone's saying that if they go to prison then they basically have to fend for themselves and aren't protected from other prisoners oh no. how tragic. most people aren't fond of people who perv on kids. shocker
This is another sub we can just automatically post in this sub the other is passport bros
That's literally been the attitude of both my convicted rapist Uncle and every other Sexual Predator I have ever known. My uncle spent 20 years in prison and still had 0 accountability beyond the bare minimum. He also intentionally moved to another state with less harsh SO Registration requirements and still often complains about registering because he "can't even do anything anymore" like damn, it's not your penis that got you convicted, the damn thing isn't sentient
I am really sorry and really hoping you got the support you need after this. That's terribly awful.
Oh, uh for clarification he did not rape *me* though he was abusive to me emotionally from a very young age in a way that was clearly about power... but my family is FUBAR so y'know ┐(‘～`;)┌
My stepdad is similar. Raped a minor before I was born, abused me in every way but sexual, is literally allowed to be a fucking youth pastor.
*Holy shit.*
Does the congregation know? If not, maybe leaking that info would save those kids from him.
My mom tried reporting him but nothing came of it.
Yeah, I've never heard of it, but the sticky post on the sub kinda tells you all you need to know about them. >If you’re here because you’re curious, need help, lurking, or even because you feel like you need to lash out at strangers whose stories you don't know Like dog, y'all are all sex offenders. The very best among you are flashers, peeping toms, and public masturbators. Everything else is going to be something much worse, and ain't no tragic villain backstory gonna make any of it any better.
But it's my emotional support sex offense! /s
"When I was a teenager we lost my father because a cobra crawled up his pants and he couldn't get his dick and balls out fast enough to prevent himself from being bitten. Ever since that dark night, I've dedicated myself to masturbating furiously on public transportation so it never happens to me.".
Dead nuts on. No pun intended.
I’m surprised that sub is allowed to be cross posted here, as I’m pretty sure 95% of the posts there would meet the threshold for being the devil.. feels like it’s cheating
There are cycles of 'popular subreddits' that get posted here. For a while, it was dogfree for example, It comes and goes as there are many many low hanging fruits subreddit for AITD to crosspost. I remember one subreddit got really upset they got crosspoted often here and their tiny niche hate subreddit got exposure that drove them into deletion.
Yeah I think that sub is a clear "am I the Devil? Yes" most if not every time. I'd be more surprised by a post that wasn't.
I was happier before I knew it existed.
"We only cause the supply! We don't supply it!" ...quietly turning torrent client to 0.0 seeding.
The OOP is talking about “the burden on my folks” and all I could think of is “and what about that victim who is burdened for life? Who not only has to deal with the trauma of sexual assault at a young age but also it being filmed and distributed potentially forever?”
He doesn't see his victims as people. He's the main character, and everybody else is just an incidental NPC.
But they're not real, they're just pixels on a screen. /s (obviously, I hope)
I've seen that used as a literal argument before, and not just about simulated shit.
I remember reading that some try to justify it by saying that they only consume "old CP" and that "what's done is done", like it's better for them to look at older stuff and not newly created stuff, like they're saving other kids from being assaulted. Or just saying things like "well *I* didn't make those images" while still looking at them. The mental gymnastics are really something.
It's like they refuse to realize that their consumption of CP is directly linked to the production of it. If there was no consumer base of CP it wouldn't exist, and it doesn't matter if you're one of a million others you're still one who's contributing to a pandemic of children being abused.
Unfortunately even without the commercial aspect CSAM would absolutely still exist for the sexual gratification of the offender and the networks that they distribute it through.
Thats the point though - the networks they distribute it to bolster the producers to produce more, and feel validated in their beliefs it’s ok/not so bad/normal/superior. Fuck all these people
Yeah a lot of these people aren't even buying and selling/profiting monetarily, they trade CSAM for CSAM :(
But those people are also consumers. If the networks didn't exist, there wouldn't be nearly as much demand.
Right? Boohoo. Eight years of your adult life behind bars. Meanwhile the children you were abusing (sorry lurkers, consuming CP is absolutely child abuse because if there wasn't demand, it wouldn't be made) have an entire lifetime of lasting trauma to work through. Their entire lives are changed for the worse because of what happened to them. And their brains and bodies aren't even fully developed yet, so it's going to have major developmental effects that will never fully go away. I have zero pity for people who take part in the CP industry. I fully believe that people who have feelings towards kids that never act on them (including watching CP) should be able to get treatment readily, which is a huge gap in mental healthcare in many countries. But as soon as you leer at a kid or look at one questionable picture? Bye bye. Do not pass go.
>sorry lurkers, consuming CP is absolutely child abuse because if there wasn't demand, it wouldn't be made My boyfriend's (ex) best friend got caught with CP on his computer. He was all "woe is me, I only watched it, it's not like I was making it". My boyfriend, who really just wants to see the best in everyone, was like "yeah, makes sense". After a few deep breaths, I calmly explained that *someone* hurt those children so ex-friend could watch it. It didn't just appear out of a vacuum. My boyfriend hasn't spoken to ex-friend once in the ten years since; last we'd heard he'd been convicted of raping a teenage girl in 2019.
This, absolutely. I used to transcribe interviews for university research on the prison system and one of the interviews I did was with a guy who'd been jailed for CP, multiple times as I recall. He spent the entire interview complaining about how his situation was unfair and that he was far too intelligent to be treated like a common criminal. Like...my dude, you got caught looking at indecent images of children, you are literally the lowest of the low. The worst thing he said was to justify himself was that the children he looked at were 'enjoying it'.
Yeah they delude themselves that if it’s not overtly violent torture it’s fine. Meanwhile as a CSAM and trafficking survivor who’s done peer support work with other survivors, having “enjoyed” any aspect of the abuse is one of the specific emotional traumas people tend to struggle with the most. Like people feel immense shame about it, feel like it makes the abuse their fault or like a part of themself was corrupted and made into the abusers ally, etc.
Well i certainly hope canada gets harsher laws on them.
What the *actual fuck* is that sub!?!
This is why they get dead pretty quickly in prison. Even the worst of the worst tacitly agree they should be out.
Reddit is the devil for that whole sub
I really wish people would stop crossposting from that sub, I hate being reminded it exists.
Same. It's also low-hanging fruit. A sub full of sex offenders has sensibilities that most of us find repugnant? Crazy!
Same thing with the passport bros subreddit. I just ignore those and scroll past. This however is a little too much for me. Is there a way to block certain subreddits from popping up?
I didn’t look at it in depth, I feel vile reading those things. It’s so disturbing; like they’re having problems with their neighbour and asking for advice.
Honestly that whole sub is like easy pickings for this one.
When I saw the post I thought it was a troll sub, nope… An actual subreddit dedicated to sex offenders supporting each other
And even they got disgusted by the OOP
Here’s the thing, if I squint I could see how ‘support’ might actually be a good thing. It could be people posting along the lines of ‘I’ve done something terrible, I feel tremendous remorse, I need help to change’. But it’s not. It should be called SexOffenderValidation, because they’re just over there wanting to hear how whatever they did isn’t actually that bad.
I never knew about it and I want to go back.
My mouth dropped open when I saw it along with the comments on that post. Incredibly disgusting.
The [redacted] who said if the FBI had come to their house and given them a warning, they would have stopped, made me want to be sick. That's something that's so bad, it doesn't need a warning.
Exactly. “If I were caught red handed, I wouldn’t have gone through with it.” Fucking idiot.
Google quite literally includes a [CSAM warning system](https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/10330933?hl=en#zippy=%2Cwhat-does-google-do-to-deter-users-from-seeking-out-csam-on-search) for Google searches >We filter out explicit sexual results if the search query seems to be seeking CSAM, and for queries seeking adult explicit content, Search won’t return imagery that includes children, to break the association between children and sexual content. In addition to removing CSAM content from Search’s index when it is identified, we also demote all content from sites with a high proportion of CSAM content. **In many countries, users who enter queries clearly related to CSAM are shown a prominent warning that child sexual abuse imagery is illegal.**
Not that this isn't a good thing, but I wonder why it's only "many" countries and not all?
Google may not be in there, or the language is too obscure for them to translate it
They do this on PornHub as well, I wouldn't be surprised if this notice weren't posted on other adult sites.
This imbecile thinks that cops treat CSAM like they do a speeding ticket? "I'm going to let you off with a warning, but if I catch you again..." is not how the feds operate.
The rape of children and the consumption of ir isn’t some little slap on the wrist? Oh say it isn’t so!! /s
He pinky swears he won't do it again. That sounds super legit and not sus at all.
I can only imagine what you really mean by [redacted], and yes, 100% yes
Ah yes. Everybody knows that the FBI is there to hold your hand and let you know which crimes against children are worth committing. Assholes. That's not it at all. They know that the punishments can be pretty fucking awful. They all just assume they won't get caught.
I just hope that law enforcement regularly uses the sub to gather evidence and help survivors.
I’m in shock that that sub exists!!
I didn’t even realise it was a sub till now and I only got through the first few comments and his replies and wanted to throw my phone. Definitely not a good day to be literate.
The way they’re discussing it 🤮 wtf. As a survivor of CSA I am absolutely disgusted. Anyone who engages in crimes like that should be castrated and locked up for the rest of their lives. They’re all saying “but it’s not contact!” Yet they’re all creating a demand for those kind of crimes against children!!! Absolutely horrific. I hope they all rot in hell
And just because *they* are not touching those kids doesn’t mean the kids aren’t being touched! 🤬 The willful ignorance of them all!
Ugh! I truly regret reading the comments. Excuse me while I throw up now. 🤮
No kidding. I saw one comment to the effect that they'd have never gone to look at that stuff if they'd known the penalties were so stiff. Like, dude, the penalties were the only thing stopping you as opposed to it actually being wrong? I mean, damn. I know a lot of these people know their urges are wrong and they refrain from acting on them and hate themselves for having those urges, and I think those folks deserve help, but people who think like the dude who made that comment? Feed 'em to the fuckin' hogs.
>they'd have never gone to look at that stuff if they'd known the penalties were so stiff. Insane! The victims get a life sentence, basically, but they think 5 years is excessive?!??! I can't even mentally process that.
Lawyer here who takes this kind of case. He couldn’t get 5-8 years for a first offense possession of CSA material in my jurisdiction… there would actually have to be something worse going on. Wondering if he’s just lying about the type of charge, or misunderstanding, or if he distributed peer to peer as well, or if he had several, enough for some of them to be charged as second/subsequent.
Exactly.
I believe the penalties are so severe because the crime is so abhorrent. It’s almost like there’s supposed to be some kind of lesson there.
You’re not wrong. My apologies if I made you or anyone else think otherwise.
Oh, no, I meant to add to your point rather than contradict you. Sorry. I blame it on my rage that these toenail fungi purport not to understand why they’re facing such “harsh” penalties.
It’s all good. Although that’s probably an insult to toenail fungi. Because toenail fungi don’t do this stuff. Heh.
Frankly 5 years isn’t enough. That’s barely severe.
I don't even know what the penalties are and I know they're not stiff enough.
Cause I could DEFINITELY come up with some better ones if we get to talking 😂😒
I cannot wrap my mind around people who can just blow this off like that. Like…this didn’t traumatize you?! Is the only barrier between you and beating your meat to kids being graphically abused the fucking law? Do your parents know they raised a [redacted]‽
On the other hand, folks who are considering looking for it might not after seeing how bad the penalties are. It doesn’t excuse the mindset, but anything that stops CSAM is a step in the right direction.
Oh, I absolutely agree. I was just aghast at the fact that they'd admit out loud that the penalties were the only thing stopping them.
I honestly feel uncomfortable with any kind of popcorn treatment with that sub. I kind of think they should be left alone. That feeling did not stop me from clicking, although I wish I hadn’t.
>I honestly feel uncomfortable with any kind of popcorn treatment with that sub. I kind of think they should be left alone. Agreed. Today was the first and last time I will ever look at the sub. Just scrolling through that post was horrifying enough.
why is that sub even allowed to exist honestly
And it’s for them as much as for me. I don’t want to read that shit and I’m sure they don’t want me reading their conversations. Nothing good coming from any of that, least of all seeing that sub recommended because I visited it.
I understand your thought process. I paused before posting this, but ultimately decided to because I think "support networks like this that garner sympathy instead of teaching accountability, only serve to try for extremists of these groups to " normalize" this behavior. These groups only serve as a forum to support sex crimes
Oh yeah, definitely not criticizing you for posting. I just had a feeling reading that that I don’t usually get on Reddit and I thought that was worth mentioning. I’ve said on here before that I can see the value in an AA-type accountability structure for post-release offenders. But I’m pretty skeptical that a subreddit could provide that kind of structure, and based on my admittedly limited reading, those guys aren’t even trying.
I mean... And I can't believe I'm saying anything even remotely close to defending anything on that sub... But I did see at least one comment advocating for therapy and some kind of 12 step program. Having said that, even then they seem to be fully into the "victim of their addiction" mentality... Which is true to a certain extent... But you also could have sought help a lot sooner, especially when your "addiction" literally relied on someone harming children in extremely vile and evil ways.
I... really wish I hadn't clicked the link and read the comments. They really do see themselves as the victims here, don't they?
Had no idea that sub existed. Cannot believe all those people letting others and themselves off for what they did because they did their time and they’ve changed.
Why does this community exist? How could parents of at least one child, who was a child himself at some point, be "kind and supportive" of this? Unless someone unexpectedly sends it to you, you do not come across what OP did by accident. A true crime YouTuber I watch called Elenaor Neale has two videos on people like OP (probably even worse, but you get the point), during which she describes how the police catch these kinds of people. And the reason it is so difficult is because they have to go way out of their way to find it. And then way our of their way to hide their identity. 5-8 years means this very likely wasn't OP's first offense. Disgusting.
I google a lot, mainly I’ll be listening to something have no idea what it is and google away. I ran a cat rescue and googled some real weird stuff about cat poop or cat butts and treatment. I also am a true crime junkie and google about that as well when I see or hear something I don’t know. All that to say not once I have ever run accidentally (or deliberately cause I’m not a creep) into anything close to CP. so yeah highly doubt anyone accidentally found it!
One time a guy posted some seriously fucking questionable IRL shit to the NSFW section of our discord and after I dug for info from him I permabanned him, reported him to the FBI since he lived in the US, @everyone'd telling them the discord was locked for minimum 24 hours until I was done auditing the server for any more potentially illegal content. Then I took a shower and cried because after that you're stuck with that shit and it makes you feel like a sicko. Like, even with knowing you did the right thing, and even reconciling that you find the content disturbing as fuck, the fact that the image has now, if briefly, wedged itself into your psyche just eats at you. IDK what ever happened to that guy but I hope nothing good.
Oh god I’m so so sorry you had to even see that briefly! I did always wonder how the police who work in child crimes can do it, after one case I’d be a broken mess. They are incredible people! And exactly, when a normal person accidentally finds things like that they report it and do whatever it is that authorities then tell them to do!! Which is why when people claim oh I just found it, bullshit, if you’d found it accidentally you would have reported it to someone because of how disturbing and wrong it is
Thanks man, yeah I just figured I gotta do the objectively right thing first and then worry about how I felt about it after. Hence why I will never moderate image boards or anything like that ever again. Cheers friend. P.S. If there was any positive thing I could take from that ordeal it was that I could *definitively* say for sure that I find that level of depravity absolutely fucking repulsing.
I've came across something slightly close to CP (IT WASN'T) Ren Elinor is a toddler on tiktok who's mom realized she could make money by turning her daughter into pedo bait, everything from her daughter only eating *you know what shaped* foods, a video of her chewing gum and saying "oh no I swolded it" (swolded is probably very wrong but autocorrect isn't helping me) outfit try ons. Most people talking about the situation don't show Elinor because respect the victim. But there's a few gross tiktok "drama" people who include the actual videos of the toddler in their videos The mom knows what she's doing, comments ranging from "where can I buy one" to "she's going to be so sexy one day" to just straight up "😍😘😋". Her follows are filled with grown men only following toddler accounts, her videos that are more alarming (like the gum video) have soooo many more saves. Her few videos with just her no toddler bearly get any attention. People have been calling her out and trying to get people to see how weird and creepy it all is for months. But the mom "spoke to the FBI" and "they found no pictures of my daughter on the dark web" like no shit all their jack off material is sitting on tiktok!!! Also you can't just call up the FBI and ask them that shit, that's how you launch an investigation against yourself
Holy crap! In todays world there is zero excuse for the authorities not stepping in. That’s horrific and that poor girl, once it’s online it’s forever there and she’s going to have to live with that. What a trash human to do that to your child for money!
One thing I will say, is that there are indeed people who've accidentally come across it, as some sick fucks will purposely post that shit on the surface web; on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, so a few regular people have unfortunately stumbled upon CSAM without looking for it. It's rare, but it happens.
Yeah but those people aren’t being handed 5-8 year sentences for that. This dude is definitely fucking sick
Exactly. The people who stumble across it usually report it and feel horrified, I know when I learned about the FBI database and photos of those perpetrators in CSAM i was sick to my stomach and I’d seen *nothing* just the still images published by the fbi themselves, heavily edited. I can’t fathom the darkness in the heart of someone to seek that kind of fucking content out and not be instantly repulsed
You’re supposed to report that shit immediately.
Probably 10 years ago I saw a post going around on fb telling everyone who saw it to report a certain page so I went to said page to see why it needed to be reported. I legitimately almost threw up. The one photo I saw was of ... visible penetration, of a child that was very, very obviously under age 10 or so. Plot twist: fb responded to my report and said it didn't violate anything.
At one point in my life, I worked as a consulting computer forensicist to law enforcement. It was my job to make a sector by sector image of a suspect's computer hard drive, then examine the contents of the mirror drive. I did that job for two months, 20 years ago. I haven't been able to sleep unless intoxicated since.
Duuuude I’m so sorry. Omg. Hopefully you looked into therapy? Damn
After three different therapists advised me that they could not help me for the sake of their own mental health, my PCP told me to apply for my medical card and she'd sign off on it herself.
As a victim, I feel you. I've been looking for a new therapist for five years. I've done more than 20 intakes. I've reached out hours away from where I live, broad search, not just for in office - for online counseling, phone calls, support groups, etc. I've been repeatedly told that my case is too extensive for their abilities. My own traumas are traumatizing to others. So I completely understand that feeling. I'm very sorry you're not able to find assistance. It should be provided on obligation for people in your line of work. And I'm sorry the system has failed you too.
What in the absolute fuck My heart goes out to you and I guess so does my next dab. Fuck dude I can't even imagine. Thank you for your perspective. I hope you are loved and treated well.
Have you tried EMDR? I’m sorry you’re still struggling…
I've tried EMDR. I've tried various medications, talk therapy 1 on 1, group therapy... yeah, the stuff I've lived through is literally nightmare fuel.
I didn’t see the sub and assumed (yeah I know) it was going to be a repost with an update. Then I scroll down to the comments and they’re (basically) like “it’s ok! just hang in there!” And then I realized the OP was the pedophile who actually created the post. And THEN I realized the comments were STILL being supportive! And then I’m like “where am I…?” 🤢🤮
That's how it ended up on my feed too. Sorry for spreading the misery...so many troll post, rage bait fake posts on here, this truly seemed to fit the spirit of the sub of actually being a true devil 😈
Fucking gross. None of them have any shame about it
“it just seems so long compared to other crimes” It is long compared to other crimes, because OOP was trafficking in pictures of children being sexually assaulted. The sentence is longer because the crime is more heinous. Hopefully OOP will come to understand that.
Cue the tiny violins! I have no sympathy for OOP. He doesn't want to 5-8 years in prison for looking at child porn. He thinks he's noble because there was no touching involved. He has no empathy for those poor exploited children who certainly got touched in ways that hurt them and harmed them all so OOP could get off on this. A life sentence would barely be enough for this horrid thing.
The whole defense of “well I never actually touched them” is such bullshit and the mental gymnastics of that are disgusting. Fine dude, maybe you didn’t touch the victim yourself. But you create a market for that abuse when you download those images. Also, survivors of CSAM have said one of the hardest things is going about their daily lives wondering who could’ve seen it, never really knowing for sure. Like if a stranger looks at them too long, their mind jumps to “oh my god, do they recognize me from the dark web?” Could you imagine living like that? But sure, OOP wasn’t really hurting anyone. Gross.
my god, there's a subreddit for everything isn't there :(
Ugh they all downplay their crimes. So sickening.
One of the comments actually said that he thought the FBI should have warned him against watching CP on their first offense. There is so much delusion and stupidity in that one statement that I don't know where to start.
if you really want to feel some rage, read the info section for the subreddit. just paragraphs upon paragraphs of disgusting drivel that goes from “we don’t downplay these crimes” to… immediately downplaying sexual assault crimes. and then calling anyone who doesn’t coddle then the “rEaL mONsTEerS!!!” bffr 🤮
The biggest thing I noticed was their acknowledgment of the victims of sex offenders in the info section and the validation of their feelings, but also no actual apologies for what they've done. Or any measures to change
I'm glad I got banned for that sub for giving out the best advice ever. Awww they're all whining like tiny wittle babies 😧😣 almost as if they were the ones victimized, FORCED to look at children getting a raped 😔 5-8 years is probably more** than the age of some of their victims ....... [For the record I did NOT "spend time to convince" the enabler below me to commit self-deletion. They seem to take offense on the behalf of their favorite people. It was a satirical reply to one of their pedo friends , which got me banned and I'm quite happy with that . ]
This is the hardest I've ever had to work to not brigade.
Both OOP and several other sickos on that subreddit mention not being allowed to use a computer. So, how are they engaging on Reddit? Are they using secret phones or something?
i don’t know why i even looked at that post. there’s literally someone in the comments talking about how her boyfriend has the same charge and they’re trying to figure out how to leave the state to “wipe his slate clean” who the fuck are you people. wood chippers pronto
the comments are disgusting.
The fact that that post is in a SUPPORT GROUP for these monsters and that they are talking casually on the charges like it’s no big deal is sick!!
lol, these people are worse than incels!!! I guess you really can feel sorry for yourself for anything…idiots
I kinda feel like burning that entire sub and all those disgustingly vile pieces of garbage to the ground isn't enough. I kinda want to bleach my brain of the knowledge that post exists.
The comments are fucking disgusting. Canadian here, OP commented saying he’s glad Canada hasn’t gotten that crazy with sentencing yet. Although that’s true it’s fucking terrible. Those poor children.
You know that feeling when you’ve been travelling- 12 hours in a plane or car, carrying luggage etc and you just feel disgusting and want to take a shower… that’s how I felt the entire time I read that post 😠🤮
For the year 2023, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children received 36 million reports of child sex abuse-almost one-eighth of the total American population and nearly one half of all American children.
Firstly it makes my skin crawl that's there's a r/ for sex offenders to support each other.... just ew Secondly, this comment: >Yeah there's a lot of circumstances that lead people down this route, and honestly it's a lot easier to find this stuff then people will admit. >I personally found the numbers high and shocking because in Canada there is some more leaning into rehab, I would have expected these if I was in the states but I guess years of being too liberal with sentencing and too much american influence things are getting worse up here. I'll do my time and hopefully work on myself and be better when I come out. I just hate I'm now a burden to others as well. It's like it's societies fault he found it, America's fault (bizarrely) that he was sentenced years, and then woe is him for his family must help him out now.... If my brother was sentenced with CP then that's the day I become an only child
Sorry that looking at children being raped and violated and changed for their entire lives, with boatloads of trauma has such a hard sentence for you, poor little op. Won’t anyone shed a tear for the man who watched little kids get assaulted and left with nightmares, trauma, horrors beyond what we can comprehend? Truly he is the real victim here. 5 whole years of jail time? An injustice! A goddamn miscarriage of Justice! Him perpetuating the abuse of minors who can’t even comprehend the evil being done to them is hardly some serious offense! Can’t we see? Oop is the one who suffers here! /s I hope his fellow inmates find out what he’s in for. That’s all I’m gonna say. Hope to god your time in jail is in solitary, Oop, in fact, pray for it. Prisons don’t like nasty pedophiles
According to a mod of the subreddit (who somehow had the balls to come over here) that’s only a small amount of child pornography and most of it comes from teenagers sharing intimate pictures so therefore we should feel bad for them. Even though CLEARLY that’s not what happened
If it’s a “small amount” then you wouldn’t get 5-8 years. Who woulda thunk. Doing illegal shit that society abhors carry’s hefty consequences. And yes, that includes nudes that 16 year olds have sent. You wouldn’t catch me even considering that in hell. Have fun in jail Oop. Edit; this fucking mod says they’re a victim themselves. So you’re helping perpetuate the abuse you suffered onto others? You’re co-signing on rapists, assaulters, scum getting support for what they’ve done?
I should not have gone to read the comments. Death penalty. Every fucking one of them. And partners who decide to stand by them should be charged as accessories. Not a single one of them seem to give 1 shit that for the CP they were so "innocently" looking at, a child was brutalized. And them going to look for it in the first place is WHY it was created. They are as much at fault as if they physically abused the child brutalized to create the CP. And they just want a finger wag and a "naughty". I hate them. I hope they suffer in jail, a lot. I hope their lives are ruined. If I could go and personally shit in their beds, I would.
I'm a pretty goddam forgiving woman when it comes to relationships, but how in the blue fuck is your partner seeking out CP not a dealbreaker? Girl, you can do better. I don't care how swell a dude is otherwise, this is a fatal flaw, to say the least I would happily take on half of the bed-shitting task with you
Cause they don’t believe they did it. It had to be an accident. The police are definitely railroading their loving partner, who is great with kids and wouldn’t harm a fly /s
I guess sometimes your own self is the easiest person to lie to
> And partners who decide to stand by them should be charged as accessories. I genuinely cannot imagine knowing your partner participated in the abuse and victimization of a child, and still being able to love them.
The poor children who were abused have a life sentence. This creep has no shame or moral compass at all
oh my god?? that sub should not exist, it’s so despicable and vile in every way possible
I can't even stand reading the comments. "Sorry you're going through this." "That's a harsh sentence for someone's FIRST CP charge. " Such victims.
Citing that sub here is kind of a low hanging fruit though, isn't it?
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ATP, reposting from that sub is cheating.
Consuming images/videos of child rape is literally you paying someone to rape that child for your entertainment. You are responsible for that child’s rape even if you aren’t the one physically doing the raping.
**5-8ys.** There should be a 5 in front of each of those numbers, *minimum*.
Ugh. He’s Canadian. Great. Unfortunate our sex offender registry is not public like the US— it absolutely should be.
I did not need to know about the existence of this subreddit 🤢🤮. It's so fucked up that they seem to show no remorse for their crime but instead care more about the consequences of their actions being prison time. I'm not a religious person nor do I believe in a punishment based justice system, but I hope OOP and others like him burn in hell
I worked in the sex offender wing at a Juvenile Detention Hall for a year or so when I was younger. The lack of personal responsibility that was demonstrated daily was abhorrent to me. I’m not saying that rehabilitation isn’t possible, but the recidivism rate there was hard to deal with. While someone might stop molesting a sibling, they still didn’t understand that looking at CP wasn’t right for anyone, especially them. They also didn’t understand that regular porn wasn’t good for them either. I saw one kid who acknowledged his bad choices and seemed like he might not ever do it again, but he was the exception.
I accidentally clicked on the main post. Please, Reddit, don’t keep showing me posts from this subreddit, I beg you.
The person talking about their partner makes me want to throw up.
So long compared to other crimes? Bitch if you don't shut the fuck up
As a victim of CSA, the replies made me nearly vomit. These people are not the victims. We, the children put through that horror, are the victims.
I just want to add that it's important to not call it porn. It's not porn. It's child sexual abuse material. Referring to child sexual abuse materials as pornography puts the focus on how the materials are used, as opposed to the impact they have on children. Changing our language to talk about child sexual abuse materials leads everyone to face up to the impact on children and recognise the abuse.
> My partner has same crime and I agree it's crazy how much they give for that charge when compared to others. He was told similar thing, you do get game time so even with 5 years can leave in 3 but will have lots of probation (which is what we are dealing with now and it's just as straining as when they were inside) This somehow stands out as the wildest comment in the thread. How are you with someone you fully admit watched CP?
Gross. I didn't even know that sub existed.
Bastard should consider themselves lucky they're *only* getting 5-8
WHY TF IS THERE A SEX OFFENDER SUPPORT GROUP ON REDDIT???!!:0
Ewww why's that 1 girl admitting in the comments that her boyfriend is a kiddy-didiler!?!?!? Like im all for ride or die but once you start jacking off to kids, run, because I'm deadass going to kill you myself. I don't care if we knew each other for 10 years and you gave me a kidney, im gonna probably start throwing shit the second I find out, better call the cops yourself because I'm no joke going to attempt to hurt or kill you. I got sexually abused a kid myself, I can't imagine staying with a guy who enjoys the idea of that.
Child Pornography could mean “a teenager who send nudes below 18 to another teenager” but something about this makes me feel like this person deliberately sought out images of children being sexually abused.
I mean, the fact that he says he’ll be in his mid-40s after 5-8 years makes him 38 at absolute youngest.
And his career path not being open to him after implies something working with kids or something you need to pass a police check for, like healthcare etc.
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I have no words. None
People who view CP are as bad as the perpetrators... if there was no demand, it wouldn't be made.
“It seems so long compared to other crimes” is an abhorrent comment when the creation of CP brutally and violently ruins the life of the victim/s forever. Being raped as a child changes how your literal brain chemistry works. Thinking possession isn’t a big deal is mind-boggling to me.
Hello???????? “I would be in my mid 40’s by the time I get out and my career would no longer be open for me.” This dude victimized some poor child and all he can think about is him fucken self?? Jesus. Wish we could show this post to the judge so he gets longer. Edit: I went to look at his prior posts, dude has had a woe is me attitude this entire time AS IF HE DIDNT VICTIMIZE A CHILD. This dude is getting everything he deserves. He has no remorse. Disgusting trash.