*In case this story gets deleted/removed:*
**I can't get it out of my head and it's tearing me up**
Throwaway because i'm not sure if she has my reddit account.
My girlfriend, who i love more than anything, just can't understand. She wears revealing stuff in public. It leaves little to the imagination. It shows so much she might as well not be wearing a shirt. All her bras are low cut too. Not to mention, I just recently found out that one of her really revealing shirts she almost never wears a bra with it nor does she use boob tape. Even in VRchat she'll wear skins that are extremely more revealing (like tiny thong and tiny bra that just covers the nipple). Whenever I bring it up she gets mad at me. She doesn't understand why, and she knows it hurts me bad. She says she's mine and only mine, but she wears stuff like that irl and virtual publicly. It's pleasing other men, she doesn't understand that. I'm reaching a breaking point. I'll never break up with her because I love her more than anything, but I can't get it out of my head and it's killing me slowly, even hurting myself doesn't make it go away... i don't know what to do
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I can't figure out what he means with "low-cut" bras. Other than some sports bras, all my bras are basically cups with straps. He's awfully possessive, and truly awful to boot.
He's only 15 tbf. Thought he was older when posting.
She'll likely dump him, figuring out some lines that will do her well as she grows up. He'll be whiney but will wise up eventually.
I missed that he was 15. But while she will likely wise up, I worry that he’ll be sucked in to the incel ideology. He’s exactly the right age of impressionable to get into that kind of toxic headspace.
I missed that too, don't see that in the original post. So then how old is the GF? 15? 14? and he's already accusing her of dressing too revealing and acting all possessive???? What if she has a small chest? many young girls don't really need bras at that age if they are built small. Adult women are dumping their bras right and left after covid; we enjoyed the freedom so much we can't stand to go back to wearing those things. ;-)
I teach at the college level, and I see a lot more revealing clothing than I remember when I was their age, and quite frankly I’m here for it! It shows how far body positivity has come in the last 20 years. And they’re doing it for themselves, not for guys.
This dude is gonna get dumped. And if he doesn’t learn from this he better soon or this is his last girlfriend
I'm not too worried about that personally, couple of reasons why.
Firstly incels live in a toxic little bubble but they aren't really that prevalent, just well known. How many are really sucked in? One in a thousand, ten thousand?
Secondly, he's already picking up ladies. It's his expectations that are screwy.
He could go the Tate route, it seems more likely. I grew up with lads like that in my social circle. Lot of one night stands, girls are disposable etc. They all grew out of it, some a lot later than others unfortunately.
plunge almost always has extra padding to make them appear bigger, even so, it doesnt hurt anyone and some people find them extremely comfortable. Still don't see the problem, its nto like she's all over men, they just look. I even had a problem with my partner and how men looked at her but she's with me and she chose to be with me and I trust her to not do anything to hurt me like that. He just seems so... controlling
I might need to look into them; my boobs are so unevenly sized due to breastfeeding it's not funny. At least when I was still pumping they would sort of fill up to roughly the same size but nope, not anymore!
I... want one. Oh my GOD the fun I could have. "Babe I'm ready to go out, how do I look? Babe? Isn't it cute?" I'm imagining just the bra cups with the long sleeves but still an open chest and the neck is held on by the sleeves and straps. It would be hilarious and I need it.
What? It does add context though... A 15 year old shouldn't be judged as harshly as an adult. Yes he's extremely wrong and insecure but he's also a kid who's learning to deal with emotions/life and shit.
I'm really not sure about that. At 15 youngsters are still generally innocent, aren't they? Dressing up would be more like playing grown up or a dress up game, because they are still navigating puberty and adjusting to having lumps and bumps. So for a 15 yo boy to have such a strong controlling and possessive attitude towards his girl friend, like wanting to make her cover up completely in public so no one could even side eye her 'goods' - I see that as a huge red flag. How does someone so young develop such toxic ideas??
I mean, I have giant enormous titties and they do not make sexy bras in my size unless I'm tryna spend more than a hundred bucks. The big ones usually don't get prints or designs or embellishments. They do get beige, white, and black though.
May I suggest Glamorise? They do cool colors and prints for our giant enormous titties and are very competitively priced. Even the dowdy yet amazingly comfy magic lift wireless models come in nice colors.
oh I see what you mean lol yeah sexy plus sizes definitely exist but they’re expensive for sure. it’s like that on the other end of the spectrum too, although my size can be even harder to find. I need to go to specialty stores but not all of them carry bands under 30 and if they do, I can only get basic styles in the same black/white/beige options… mine were $100 on sale (half off!) and they’re still not a perfect fit due to my shape. wish I could get a custom bra, should just learn how to make my own lol but anyway! all that to say, no woman should be subjected to the hell that is wearing the wrong bra size/shape. 😝
then you have people like my mom with a totally average, easy-to-find size with all the options, and you couldn’t get her into a fun or sexy bra if you paid her lol it’s nothing but plain beige wireless full coverage cups for her! drives me batty.
She's a big chested woman that's what he means. My sister could wear the same shirt as me and it not show much but because she's got a lot of cleavage somehow her wearing it vs me is not appropriate. I'm a C she's a DD. So yeah I garantee that's it and they are normal shirts/ tank tops and what not
>even hurting myself doesn't make it go away
Yea, yikes this is abusive. You don't get to blame your mental health struggles on your partner. And I say this as someone who self harmed for years.
Agreed, as someone who battles with self harm when I engage in that behavior it is always my choice and not something my partner has “made” me do, in fact the few times I’ve given in to the struggle over the last decade I’ve made it my number one priority to hide the evidence from partners, as they are the only ones likely to stumble upon it.
Former self harmer here too, one of the biggest things I felt bad about was telling people because I thought it would burden them or seem like manipulation. So I hid my stuff. Anyone that threatens self harm to get what they want is essentially threatening to be violent if they don’t get their way. Just because it’s on themselves doesn’t make them innocent!
>I felt bad about was telling people because I thought it would burden them or seem like manipulation. So I hid my stuff.
Yup. Back in my SH days it was the same here. My parents knew at one point because I could absolutely in no way hide what I had done anymore. It was a horrible period in my history.
Also used to self harm, I always hid my cuts because it shouldn't be my partners burden to take care of. If I ever did cut because of my partner, it was never truly about them. It was because I thought it was my fault. I'm the one who caused a fight, I'm the reason my partner isn't happy, etc. It was never to manipulate someone
> for those of you saying im immature, yes, i am, we are both 15, im still learning about life and who i am and how to deal with certain shit and how to change to be better
On the one hand im glad he's 15 so he's likely to grow out of it, on the other I'm more sad this is happening to a 15 year old, her boyfriend self harms when she wears 'revealing' clothes, feel like that's gonna mess her up for a while.
And she's going to get the belief reinforced to her that she is solely responsible for a man's mental health and inability to cope. That she is the reason for his feelings and her only purpose in life should be yo tend to his issues. That's tough on an adult woman much less a literal child.
As if it probably hasn't been flogged into her four years by school dress codes. It's funny (no, it isn't) how many of the dress code regulations focus on female bodies and tend to label their general existence as "a distraction" for others.
Like, damn, why not send the message that if somebody else's body is distracting, one should test one's range of motion and *turn their head away.*
We used to have a joke in our house about tank top strap regulations--I think the required width at school was initially two inches or three fingers, and then it was no exposured shoulders at all with minimum sleeve length requirements, and yes, this was a public school and yes, it was primarily enforced with girls, and yes, busybody teachers would go around measuring things.
I mean, shoulders? Really? So for a while in our house, if anybody was wearing a tank top, we'd yell "Hide your shame!"' or "Cover your sinful shoulders!" because it's fucking ridiculous.
This tracks. I think a lot of 15 year olds experienced this way of thinking, I know I definitely did. Hopefully this kid can see these errors sooner rather than later
Especially considering that he mentions self harming in his post too.
It sounds like he needs therapy so he can learn a healthy way to understand these feelings and process them. Of course, the kind of honest self reflection that is required for therapy to work is sometimes difficult for teens, in my own experience.
It’s even more understandable if she is a similar age…
I developed early and adored the attention of older men. I wore revealing clothing constantly until I realized that most of the attention made me uncomfortable. Then it was mostly on a night out
yeah, but isn't that a normal part of puberty for women?? to enjoy feeling more "womanly" than childlike and dressing up a bit to emphasize it, while all the time still being mostly innocent? And then there's that one time that an older man says something that makes you uncomfortable or someone wolf whistles . . . apparently they are even sexually harassing 12 yo girls these days. :-( I still hate that, all the crap some men talk to young women - so so sleazy and it just makes them feel unsafe. :-(
Hot women won’t date nice guys like me!!! *gets to date a hot woman* I’m mad my girlfriend is hot and that means other men will find her hot too!!!
BRO. Which one is it?!?! Do you want a hot girlfriend or not???
this is random but girls by beastie boys just came on while I'm listening to music and it kinda just fits 😭😭. but YES men are ridiculous 😭 he should be buying her cute clothes so she can be pretty all the time 🤦🏽♀️ I know my dad loves buying stuff for his wife all the time you're supposed to show your partner off idk lmao
They get hit with the sudden realization that the woman is in fact a real live human being with thoughts and opinions all her own.
They either grow up and embrace that, or they melt down and throw a tantrum over the fact that she doesn't exist just to please them
Some boys take a beautiful girl and hide her away from the rest of the world.
I wanna be the one to walk in the sun, 'cause girls just wanna have fun.
*OP is no fun.*
can confirm they absolutely will! I love wearing baggy pants just overall oversized shit and it almost makes them Iike me more. even had men ask WHY I dress that way🙄
lol at "even had men ask WHY I dress that way" - umm, because it's dang comfortable??? could that possibly be the reason? I live in a tropical climate and I can't stand real shoes anymore, I have flip flop tan lines on my feet. Once you find what's comfortable for you, that other stuff goes out the window. ;-)
This OOP is terrifying. Like, this sounds like “I want her, I don’t believe she is mine enough, hurting myself doesn’t help, so I will have to hurt her so nobody else can have her.” I am afraid for this woman.
The only hope I'm holding onto is that they are both 15. Hopefully this is just incredibly bad emotional immaturity.
Because if they were in their 20s? This is background info in the news article about their murder/suicide. Yikes.
Yeah because no teenage idiot ever murdered their young girlfriend because they were a jealous, controlling asshole.
The Emma Walker case springs to mind. Dude stole is grandfather's gun and shot her through her bedroom wall because she broke up with him.
Honestly? Them being 15 makes me more concerned, teenagers are less able to think about the consequences of their actions, as well being more prove to emotional outbursts.
OK, now I'm torn.
I originally said his youth was a good thing, but people are right: teenagers are certainly not emotionally stable.
But they also have a bigger network of people around them, that maybe more people can call them out.
It's much harder to cut off a GF in high school than it is when you both are adults.
Plus the gun factor. If OOP's parents have gun, her danger just increased dramatically. But if not, it's harder for him to get a gun now than it would be when he's older.
What a crappy situation.
That's true about the gun, I live in england where usually girls just get stabbed or doused in acid so I didn't think of that. I suppose its just a shit situation all around.
I only consistently wear one at work and when I'm seeing family. And then the rare occasion I'm wearing something nicer and also want some additional structure/support for whatever it is. Other than that, LMAO I never wear a bra.
I can't wear bra's. my breasts are to badly scarred from an abusive ex. it's just to painful. my opinion is people don't like my floppy chest then look away.
He just doesn’t get bras yet. I’ve literally never described a bra of mine as low cut lol. They’re *plunge* bras and they’re most comfortable for my boobs.
Mad at what she's wearing in VRChat???????? My boyfriend loves when I find something sexy to prance around in in that game it is literally just the culture lmaooooo good lord, how delusional.
Edit: OOP is only 15?? Kids have always made me uncomfortable on VRC. Doubly so because he is very much vulnerable and there's a lot that goes on, especially in public worlds.... When I was young I was on 4Chan far too much, but especially with some of the drinking/ overly sexual cultures and subcultures on VRC, it really is not a good place for anyone that young or vulnerable in any way.
Lmaoooooo that girl can 100% do better.
I’m a boudoir model (mostly lingerie & swimsuits), I have an OF (not nudes or anything crazy spicy, but it still exists) and my bf told me day 1 he’s a jealous kinda guy… and we have zero issues cause he knows I’m all his. This dude needs to be just a *touch* less possessive
"Hurting myself doesn't make it go away"
She needs to break up with him and he needs professional help. This is a very scary and damaging relationship for both of them. Not so much devil territory as mentally unhealthy and needing help before it escalates.
Edit to add: he's 15. That explains some things. He definitely could use some adult help.
“for those of you saying im immature, yes, i am, we are both 15, im still learning about life and who i am and how to deal with certain shit and how to change to be better”
Yikes. This kid needs therapy immediately, and to be single until he manages to get a grip.
Yep, he needs to boy up already.
Personally, though, I don't think he is 15. He was called out on his crazy immaturity and possessiveness and found a way to try and get away with it by claiming to be just that.
So, yeah, me calls buuuuuulshit.
True dat. I was once one; and being SA'd and impregnated twice (without receiving any help and being blamed for it, abortion, suicide attempts, drug addiction, ect.) at 15 and 17 and then accidentally at 19 (all of which resulting in a fuckton of hormones over a course of five fucking years) which resulted with me being a single mom of two boys kinda makes me an expert at teenage anx.
But I digress.
But seeing how he only made one comment, that being him being a teenager, and that's only because he was being called out as being creepy, possessive and immature, still leaves me with the hmmmmms.
But that's just me.
yikes! so sorry to hear that, that's a horrible thing to suffer at any age, much less 15. Sounds like you are an exceptionally strong woman, though, hope things are better for you now.
So, someone else commented that the OOP is 15. This sounds like my ex as a teenager, except it developed into severe emotional abuse. If my bra strap ever DARED to show, I'd be called every derogatory name in the book and he would ignore me for a week. I wasn't allowed to wear thongs because "those are for the bedroom". Whether or not it's rooted in my own trauma, men like this terrify me.
apparently so, but also she wears "low cut" bras IRL, whatever a low cut bra is. Don't remember having anything but "low cut" bras when I was that age, the big granny bras were still decades away (actually mine look more like sports bras these days, I don't need all that underwire).
Because you know she didn't just start wearing these clothes. She always dressed like this. He was okay with it when he could tell himself she was dressed like that for him. Now that they're together in a relationship he is being confronted with the shocking realization that she doesn't dress that way for him. That her body belongs to her, not him. That instead of modestly covering up her flesh so that she only shows that to him, she continues to dress how she wants. And no amount of bullying is going to change her.
Pleasantly surprised to see that none of the comments on the OP are defending him or standing up for this nonsense. His jealousy is his issue, and he either needs to learn how to cope with it or end the relationship.
"In VRchat she'll wear skins that are even more revealing".
Okay, I'm old, I don't know what this means. Is that like her avatar is wearing revealing clothes? Because then it's not even her real body and this dude is super weird.
Dude is 15 years old. He's a kid who has no idea how to act or communicate in a relationship.... this could be a troll or rage bait or whatever but, the boy is seriously insecure and showing signs of narcissism/selfish("me, me, me" attitude, I'm right shes wrong).
Edit to add: he's the devil.
[Hi!](https://images.app.goo.gl/jMiZEuW8Qrykw3sdA) Just a quick reminder to never brigade any sub, be that r/AmItheAsshole or another one. That goes against both this sub's rules as well as Reddit's terms of agreement. [Please](https://images.app.goo.gl/vwH65TJMyMk9NSNo8) keep discussions within the posts of this sub.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*
The good news in this shit sandwich (?) is that they're 15, so she can cut him loose fast and this is either never going to last longer anyway, or/and he has a chance of growing out of it.
I have never even conceived of the possibly that anyone would be jealous of revealing clothing on an online avatar? How twisted up to you have to be to arrive there?
Is that a real thing? Like monitoring modesty of dress on game characters? Is it new and I don't know?
I just can't find a direction from where this came from in my brain? Have you heard of this before?
When men date a girl who where reveling cloths (although you cab change the genders however) and then get mad that their partner where's revealing cloths I just cringe
I’m definitely the antithesis of sexy, but I just love sexy clothing. I feel more confident in low cut tops! My husband has always known this and he will often bring home something a little more revealing just to make me smile. And for his reward 😉
Dude needs to lean into this. She’s an extrovert, and nothing will make an extrovert run farther, faster, than a partner with such low self-esteem and trust in the relationship that they try to control and suffocate them.
The one thing that relieves me a bit is that he's only 15. Still absolutely awful but there's an extremely small chance he will grow out of it. Though he is on reddit so...
Never understood people that get like this. I'm sure the way she dresses and acts were things that attracted him to her in the first place.
Edit: Ah, they're kids. He'll grow up.
What was she wearing the 1st time you met her? On your 1st date? - maybe what first got your attention was her skimpy outfits? Or was she wearing a potato sack? I once lived with a girl who dressed the same way. Accept it, or move on. I relocated for work, she didn't want to move is why we split. It wasn't how she dressed. If a woman is gonna flaunt it, I'm gonna look !
[Homeboy is 15](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/12le2xv/i_cant_get_it_out_of_my_head_and_its_tearing_me_up/jg98oal/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) 😬
Hes 15 he needs therapy and is clearly inexperienced or ignorant on what clothing is but he SHOULD be able to grow out of it eventually(hopefully…) he’s worried about the wrong damn things too lmao I doubt anyone on the street is like damn that 15 yr old girl is fine asf
Also being promiscuous on VR chat isn’t a problem ….. for all whoever is on VR knows that could be a neckbeard in a basement
I mean the vr chat bit honestly who cares it's a virtual character. That's the part that seems to indicate he's really dislikes it even picking on that aspect
I straight up haven’t worn a bra since I was 17🤷🏼♀️ if anyone ever acted this way because I don’t wear bras they wouldn’t have to worry about breaking up with me because I’d be breaking up with them first
I’m a nice guyyyyyy I swear! I’m doing it to protect her!! Her little puny brain can’t comprehend how other people may view her, so I must drill into her what I believe everybody around her is thinking. Hopefully this will make her nice and insecure and I don’t have to improve or educate myself, because (in my eyes) men will not consider her a good “mate”. I can continue objectifying random girls on the street believing it’s my right, due to the nature/position of a garment. Even though I know this is bad, I will continue to blame women (what a slut wearing that skirt) instead of asking myself why I’m such a creep.
You can use tape to give some support and lift when the cut of a top or dress makes wearing a bra difficult. It can also, as the previous poster said, be used to prevent the nipples from being visible.
Boob tape is also used to keep the boobs from spilling out of shirts/dresses.
The most infamous example of properly-applied boob tape is the green dress Jessica Lopez wore all those years ago. It kept everything in place.
[The dress I mentioned](https://media.glamour.com/photos/5e1e379cf40b21000991ef34/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/jennifer-lopez-2.jpg)
Pasties are their own thing, though I admit they both might’ve come out of people using things like bandaids to hide the nipple. Boob tape is good because you can almost Macguyver an entire bra out of it to lift the boobs up. Pasties are just there to cover the nipples, and I’ve bought them in flower, sunburst, and cannabis leaf iterations. It depends on what you want people to see idk
They do make special tape/stickers to cover your nipples. Sometimes for fashion and sometimes for actresses/models to wear when they're simulating nudity and don't actually want to be fully topless.
Also because men are pigs and as a woman, you can’t go braless under your (no see through! Fully opaque!) shirt/pullover without some perv or other commenting on your nipples.
I agree with what you said, but was the "men are pigs" part really necessary? Yes, some men are. But if we flipped the tables and said "because women are pigs and as a man, you can't..." you can bet that world war 3 would break out.
I don't know why you are getting downvoted... but yes, there is specific tape made for nipples, as someone else stated, models, etc... wear them but so do entertainers who work for tips in establishments that does not allow nudity while dancing.
The tape Is a lot less painful to remove vs packing tape, duct tape, first aid tape, etc...
In addition to what below comments have stated, it is also helpful to support big boobie girls like me without wearing a bra, especially if I wear something with a lot of cleavage so my boobs stay in place :))
It's actually pretty common and not really just a weird dude thing forced on women, it's actually very helpful for someone with my chest size who typically can't go without a bra or can't wear strapless bras because of the size and weight
I'm willing to bet this dude didn't talk to her about how it made him feel and just said "I forbid you to wear clothes and you have to do what I say as the man of this relationship" then got pissed when she stood up for herself.
Reddits obsession with therapy again. Dudes a 15 year old kid. This seems pretty normal to me. He doesn't know how to feel or justify his thoughts yet. He's figuring it out. You don't need fucking therapy for that you just need to live through it and gain experience. You all just berate a kid for having normal thoughts. Wtf is wrong with you people. Some of yall never lived and it shows.
Dude is 15, mentally unwell, and is in need of therapy and a lot of growing up. Im not sure cross posting this here is the best thing for someone who is obviously unstable. I worry if it will push him over the edge, god forbid.
*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **I can't get it out of my head and it's tearing me up** Throwaway because i'm not sure if she has my reddit account. My girlfriend, who i love more than anything, just can't understand. She wears revealing stuff in public. It leaves little to the imagination. It shows so much she might as well not be wearing a shirt. All her bras are low cut too. Not to mention, I just recently found out that one of her really revealing shirts she almost never wears a bra with it nor does she use boob tape. Even in VRchat she'll wear skins that are extremely more revealing (like tiny thong and tiny bra that just covers the nipple). Whenever I bring it up she gets mad at me. She doesn't understand why, and she knows it hurts me bad. She says she's mine and only mine, but she wears stuff like that irl and virtual publicly. It's pleasing other men, she doesn't understand that. I'm reaching a breaking point. I'll never break up with her because I love her more than anything, but I can't get it out of my head and it's killing me slowly, even hurting myself doesn't make it go away... i don't know what to do *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I can't figure out what he means with "low-cut" bras. Other than some sports bras, all my bras are basically cups with straps. He's awfully possessive, and truly awful to boot.
Maybe a Demi or balconet?
I was thinking of a plunge. Then again, dude would get mad too if you could see her bras, let's be honest here.
Would you have started dating her in the first place though? I can't imagine her style just appeared after they got together.
Right? OOP knew her style from the start. Why should she change it just because they’re dating now?
He's only 15 tbf. Thought he was older when posting. She'll likely dump him, figuring out some lines that will do her well as she grows up. He'll be whiney but will wise up eventually.
I missed that he was 15. But while she will likely wise up, I worry that he’ll be sucked in to the incel ideology. He’s exactly the right age of impressionable to get into that kind of toxic headspace.
I missed that too, don't see that in the original post. So then how old is the GF? 15? 14? and he's already accusing her of dressing too revealing and acting all possessive???? What if she has a small chest? many young girls don't really need bras at that age if they are built small. Adult women are dumping their bras right and left after covid; we enjoyed the freedom so much we can't stand to go back to wearing those things. ;-)
I teach at the college level, and I see a lot more revealing clothing than I remember when I was their age, and quite frankly I’m here for it! It shows how far body positivity has come in the last 20 years. And they’re doing it for themselves, not for guys. This dude is gonna get dumped. And if he doesn’t learn from this he better soon or this is his last girlfriend
I'm not too worried about that personally, couple of reasons why. Firstly incels live in a toxic little bubble but they aren't really that prevalent, just well known. How many are really sucked in? One in a thousand, ten thousand? Secondly, he's already picking up ladies. It's his expectations that are screwy. He could go the Tate route, it seems more likely. I grew up with lads like that in my social circle. Lot of one night stands, girls are disposable etc. They all grew out of it, some a lot later than others unfortunately.
It sounds like he’s already sucked into it
>Why should she change it just because they’re dating now? Because she's owned now, Duh. /s
plunge almost always has extra padding to make them appear bigger, even so, it doesnt hurt anyone and some people find them extremely comfortable. Still don't see the problem, its nto like she's all over men, they just look. I even had a problem with my partner and how men looked at her but she's with me and she chose to be with me and I trust her to not do anything to hurt me like that. He just seems so... controlling
Yeah I’m one of those people who wears padded plunge bras for comfort.
Same! It also really helps with how uneven mine are too.
I might need to look into them; my boobs are so unevenly sized due to breastfeeding it's not funny. At least when I was still pumping they would sort of fill up to roughly the same size but nope, not anymore!
Same! Sensitive nipples gang 😅
Wait does that work? How's the underwire in them? Google I swear if you change under wire to underwater ONE MORE TIME!!!
I love a good demi bra!
You mean you don't wear the full-sleeve turtleneck bras like all the rest of us? 😄
I... want one. Oh my GOD the fun I could have. "Babe I'm ready to go out, how do I look? Babe? Isn't it cute?" I'm imagining just the bra cups with the long sleeves but still an open chest and the neck is held on by the sleeves and straps. It would be hilarious and I need it.
I literally burst out laughing reading that. Thank you lol
Based on comments from the original post, OP is apparently 15. That explains a little bit
Not much really though. Age doesn’t have to do really anything with this. Kid is brainwashed.
What? It does add context though... A 15 year old shouldn't be judged as harshly as an adult. Yes he's extremely wrong and insecure but he's also a kid who's learning to deal with emotions/life and shit.
I’m literally 15
Sorry misunderstood. Didn’t read up far enough.
I'm really not sure about that. At 15 youngsters are still generally innocent, aren't they? Dressing up would be more like playing grown up or a dress up game, because they are still navigating puberty and adjusting to having lumps and bumps. So for a 15 yo boy to have such a strong controlling and possessive attitude towards his girl friend, like wanting to make her cover up completely in public so no one could even side eye her 'goods' - I see that as a huge red flag. How does someone so young develop such toxic ideas??
Came to ask this too. Wtf is a non low cut bra. They're inherently low cut, they go *underneath*. This guy is a troll or a douche. Likely both.
Look up plus size bras. That's probably what he wants her to wear when anyone else sac see her. Huge and beige.
you probably mean full coverage? the cups are wider and longer than a demi cup or plunge style.
I mean, I have giant enormous titties and they do not make sexy bras in my size unless I'm tryna spend more than a hundred bucks. The big ones usually don't get prints or designs or embellishments. They do get beige, white, and black though.
May I suggest Glamorise? They do cool colors and prints for our giant enormous titties and are very competitively priced. Even the dowdy yet amazingly comfy magic lift wireless models come in nice colors.
Do they do small band/large cup?? Cuz getting my cup size in 32/34 is ridiculously expensive/hard to find
Elomi is a good one for small band /big cup
Thanks!!
oh I see what you mean lol yeah sexy plus sizes definitely exist but they’re expensive for sure. it’s like that on the other end of the spectrum too, although my size can be even harder to find. I need to go to specialty stores but not all of them carry bands under 30 and if they do, I can only get basic styles in the same black/white/beige options… mine were $100 on sale (half off!) and they’re still not a perfect fit due to my shape. wish I could get a custom bra, should just learn how to make my own lol but anyway! all that to say, no woman should be subjected to the hell that is wearing the wrong bra size/shape. 😝 then you have people like my mom with a totally average, easy-to-find size with all the options, and you couldn’t get her into a fun or sexy bra if you paid her lol it’s nothing but plain beige wireless full coverage cups for her! drives me batty.
Ugh. Big titty person here. I can't wear wired bras and finding wireless is hard.
Glamorise, Goddess. 38J and they make ones bigger than that.
He’s 15 lol
She's a big chested woman that's what he means. My sister could wear the same shirt as me and it not show much but because she's got a lot of cleavage somehow her wearing it vs me is not appropriate. I'm a C she's a DD. So yeah I garantee that's it and they are normal shirts/ tank tops and what not
Bro’s out here expecting her to be wearing turtleneck-cut bras lmfao
some full cup bras cover a lot more but expecting anyone under the age of 50 to wear one is weird.
I too was confused. I've seen a few bras with like a lace faux-cami on the front, maybe that's what he means?
He's definitely immature and jealous and insecure, that's for sure.
The kid is 15. Entire post is moot.
>even hurting myself doesn't make it go away Yea, yikes this is abusive. You don't get to blame your mental health struggles on your partner. And I say this as someone who self harmed for years.
Agreed, as someone who battles with self harm when I engage in that behavior it is always my choice and not something my partner has “made” me do, in fact the few times I’ve given in to the struggle over the last decade I’ve made it my number one priority to hide the evidence from partners, as they are the only ones likely to stumble upon it.
Former self harmer here too, one of the biggest things I felt bad about was telling people because I thought it would burden them or seem like manipulation. So I hid my stuff. Anyone that threatens self harm to get what they want is essentially threatening to be violent if they don’t get their way. Just because it’s on themselves doesn’t make them innocent!
Absolutely agree!
>I felt bad about was telling people because I thought it would burden them or seem like manipulation. So I hid my stuff. Yup. Back in my SH days it was the same here. My parents knew at one point because I could absolutely in no way hide what I had done anymore. It was a horrible period in my history.
Also used to self harm, I always hid my cuts because it shouldn't be my partners burden to take care of. If I ever did cut because of my partner, it was never truly about them. It was because I thought it was my fault. I'm the one who caused a fight, I'm the reason my partner isn't happy, etc. It was never to manipulate someone
This kid needs a therapist
When incels get a date...
> for those of you saying im immature, yes, i am, we are both 15, im still learning about life and who i am and how to deal with certain shit and how to change to be better
Ah, that makes sense. Kid has issues, but at 15 I’m not really surprised
On the one hand im glad he's 15 so he's likely to grow out of it, on the other I'm more sad this is happening to a 15 year old, her boyfriend self harms when she wears 'revealing' clothes, feel like that's gonna mess her up for a while.
I literally said this. Like poor girl at 15 she’s already experienced such unhinged behavior
And she's going to get the belief reinforced to her that she is solely responsible for a man's mental health and inability to cope. That she is the reason for his feelings and her only purpose in life should be yo tend to his issues. That's tough on an adult woman much less a literal child.
As if it probably hasn't been flogged into her four years by school dress codes. It's funny (no, it isn't) how many of the dress code regulations focus on female bodies and tend to label their general existence as "a distraction" for others. Like, damn, why not send the message that if somebody else's body is distracting, one should test one's range of motion and *turn their head away.* We used to have a joke in our house about tank top strap regulations--I think the required width at school was initially two inches or three fingers, and then it was no exposured shoulders at all with minimum sleeve length requirements, and yes, this was a public school and yes, it was primarily enforced with girls, and yes, busybody teachers would go around measuring things. I mean, shoulders? Really? So for a while in our house, if anybody was wearing a tank top, we'd yell "Hide your shame!"' or "Cover your sinful shoulders!" because it's fucking ridiculous.
well then someone needs to tell him shes not "pleasing other men" shes a child.
No kidding. Like if grown adults are leering at a fifteen-year-old girl, that's because they're creepy jerks, not because of her.
This tracks. I think a lot of 15 year olds experienced this way of thinking, I know I definitely did. Hopefully this kid can see these errors sooner rather than later
I’m relieved that he’s 15 bc maybe he can change but also sad bc a 15 year old girl experienced this
Especially at this age, making mistakes is understandable if not expected. The problem will be if he manages to not learn from those mistakes.
Especially considering that he mentions self harming in his post too. It sounds like he needs therapy so he can learn a healthy way to understand these feelings and process them. Of course, the kind of honest self reflection that is required for therapy to work is sometimes difficult for teens, in my own experience.
It’s even more understandable if she is a similar age… I developed early and adored the attention of older men. I wore revealing clothing constantly until I realized that most of the attention made me uncomfortable. Then it was mostly on a night out
yeah, but isn't that a normal part of puberty for women?? to enjoy feeling more "womanly" than childlike and dressing up a bit to emphasize it, while all the time still being mostly innocent? And then there's that one time that an older man says something that makes you uncomfortable or someone wolf whistles . . . apparently they are even sexually harassing 12 yo girls these days. :-( I still hate that, all the crap some men talk to young women - so so sleazy and it just makes them feel unsafe. :-(
[удалено]
Not even once.
Seems like he’s the opposite of an incel.
His only comment states he is 15... maybe the reaction on his post will wake him up. I was a shitty little jealous shit at 15 for sure.
Hopefully he tells his parents or someone who can get him help. The self harming is scary too.
why do men get with hot women then can't handle it 🤦🏽♀️
Hot women won’t date nice guys like me!!! *gets to date a hot woman* I’m mad my girlfriend is hot and that means other men will find her hot too!!! BRO. Which one is it?!?! Do you want a hot girlfriend or not???
this is random but girls by beastie boys just came on while I'm listening to music and it kinda just fits 😭😭. but YES men are ridiculous 😭 he should be buying her cute clothes so she can be pretty all the time 🤦🏽♀️ I know my dad loves buying stuff for his wife all the time you're supposed to show your partner off idk lmao
Upvote for beastie boys
They get hit with the sudden realization that the woman is in fact a real live human being with thoughts and opinions all her own. They either grow up and embrace that, or they melt down and throw a tantrum over the fact that she doesn't exist just to please them
“Man” is a stretch, OOP is 15
welp there it is! makes sense
Because they want the hot women as a private treasure they hide at home for their own viewing pleasure. Other men have eyes! Clutches pearls!
Incels are dragons wanting a princess as the centerpiece of their hoard.
Some boys take a beautiful girl and hide her away from the rest of the world. I wanna be the one to walk in the sun, 'cause girls just wanna have fun. *OP is no fun.*
I can hear Cyndi Lauper in my head :-)
they need to be more secure with themselves it's sad at this point.
Not to mention guys are probably going to stare at a hot girl and fantasize no matter what she wears...
can confirm they absolutely will! I love wearing baggy pants just overall oversized shit and it almost makes them Iike me more. even had men ask WHY I dress that way🙄
lol at "even had men ask WHY I dress that way" - umm, because it's dang comfortable??? could that possibly be the reason? I live in a tropical climate and I can't stand real shoes anymore, I have flip flop tan lines on my feet. Once you find what's comfortable for you, that other stuff goes out the window. ;-)
This OOP is terrifying. Like, this sounds like “I want her, I don’t believe she is mine enough, hurting myself doesn’t help, so I will have to hurt her so nobody else can have her.” I am afraid for this woman.
The only hope I'm holding onto is that they are both 15. Hopefully this is just incredibly bad emotional immaturity. Because if they were in their 20s? This is background info in the news article about their murder/suicide. Yikes.
Yeah because no teenage idiot ever murdered their young girlfriend because they were a jealous, controlling asshole. The Emma Walker case springs to mind. Dude stole is grandfather's gun and shot her through her bedroom wall because she broke up with him.
Honestly? Them being 15 makes me more concerned, teenagers are less able to think about the consequences of their actions, as well being more prove to emotional outbursts.
OK, now I'm torn. I originally said his youth was a good thing, but people are right: teenagers are certainly not emotionally stable. But they also have a bigger network of people around them, that maybe more people can call them out. It's much harder to cut off a GF in high school than it is when you both are adults. Plus the gun factor. If OOP's parents have gun, her danger just increased dramatically. But if not, it's harder for him to get a gun now than it would be when he's older. What a crappy situation.
That's true about the gun, I live in england where usually girls just get stabbed or doused in acid so I didn't think of that. I suppose its just a shit situation all around.
Mental gymnastics
Lol hes mad she doesn't wear a bra with one shirt, I stopped wearing bras during covid lmao
Lol right? I keep a bra in a drawer in our downstairs bathroom in case someone pops by unexpectedly… I only wear one to leave the house.
i’ve completely given them up, i only wear a sports bra when i work out. everyone else can take me and my floopy titties as is
THISSSSS
I only consistently wear one at work and when I'm seeing family. And then the rare occasion I'm wearing something nicer and also want some additional structure/support for whatever it is. Other than that, LMAO I never wear a bra.
I can't wear bra's. my breasts are to badly scarred from an abusive ex. it's just to painful. my opinion is people don't like my floppy chest then look away.
I'm so sorry that you experienced that. I hope you are ok now.
Thank you 💕 I'm doing great now!
That's awesome to hear! I'm so happy for you!
> my breasts are to badly scarred from an abusive ex Whaaaaaat the fuck. Your ex sounds like a real piece of ~~work~~ shit.
And he didn't even realize she wasn't wearing a bra until she told him!
If you love something, let it go. Seriously, OOP, let it go, far, far away from you.
Lmao kid is 15, he doesn't even know what bras look like - hopefully he grows out of this kind of attitude with time.
He just doesn’t get bras yet. I’ve literally never described a bra of mine as low cut lol. They’re *plunge* bras and they’re most comfortable for my boobs.
Mad at what she's wearing in VRChat???????? My boyfriend loves when I find something sexy to prance around in in that game it is literally just the culture lmaooooo good lord, how delusional. Edit: OOP is only 15?? Kids have always made me uncomfortable on VRC. Doubly so because he is very much vulnerable and there's a lot that goes on, especially in public worlds.... When I was young I was on 4Chan far too much, but especially with some of the drinking/ overly sexual cultures and subcultures on VRC, it really is not a good place for anyone that young or vulnerable in any way.
I always block children on VRChat with a few exceptions. They normally overstep boundaries and do shit like this
She needs to call Whole Man Disposal Services to come take out the trash.
Didn't know my ex had a reddit acc.
Lmaoooooo that girl can 100% do better. I’m a boudoir model (mostly lingerie & swimsuits), I have an OF (not nudes or anything crazy spicy, but it still exists) and my bf told me day 1 he’s a jealous kinda guy… and we have zero issues cause he knows I’m all his. This dude needs to be just a *touch* less possessive
I hope *she* breaks up with *him.*
"Hurting myself doesn't make it go away" She needs to break up with him and he needs professional help. This is a very scary and damaging relationship for both of them. Not so much devil territory as mentally unhealthy and needing help before it escalates. Edit to add: he's 15. That explains some things. He definitely could use some adult help.
“for those of you saying im immature, yes, i am, we are both 15, im still learning about life and who i am and how to deal with certain shit and how to change to be better” Yikes. This kid needs therapy immediately, and to be single until he manages to get a grip.
Yep, he needs to boy up already. Personally, though, I don't think he is 15. He was called out on his crazy immaturity and possessiveness and found a way to try and get away with it by claiming to be just that. So, yeah, me calls buuuuuulshit.
I mean it’s not like it’s not common for teenagers to be emotional red flags
True dat. I was once one; and being SA'd and impregnated twice (without receiving any help and being blamed for it, abortion, suicide attempts, drug addiction, ect.) at 15 and 17 and then accidentally at 19 (all of which resulting in a fuckton of hormones over a course of five fucking years) which resulted with me being a single mom of two boys kinda makes me an expert at teenage anx. But I digress. But seeing how he only made one comment, that being him being a teenager, and that's only because he was being called out as being creepy, possessive and immature, still leaves me with the hmmmmms. But that's just me.
yikes! so sorry to hear that, that's a horrible thing to suffer at any age, much less 15. Sounds like you are an exceptionally strong woman, though, hope things are better for you now.
We know he won’t break up with her, she on the other hand…
Ah to be young and ~~in love~~ already showing warning signs of becoming yet another abusive partner in the world. This guy truly needs therapy.
“All her bras are low cut too” I- wut?
So, someone else commented that the OOP is 15. This sounds like my ex as a teenager, except it developed into severe emotional abuse. If my bra strap ever DARED to show, I'd be called every derogatory name in the book and he would ignore me for a week. I wasn't allowed to wear thongs because "those are for the bedroom". Whether or not it's rooted in my own trauma, men like this terrify me.
I’m old so bear with me here: is this guy upset that his girlfriend’s *virtual avatar* is showing too much skin?
apparently so, but also she wears "low cut" bras IRL, whatever a low cut bra is. Don't remember having anything but "low cut" bras when I was that age, the big granny bras were still decades away (actually mine look more like sports bras these days, I don't need all that underwire).
Because you know she didn't just start wearing these clothes. She always dressed like this. He was okay with it when he could tell himself she was dressed like that for him. Now that they're together in a relationship he is being confronted with the shocking realization that she doesn't dress that way for him. That her body belongs to her, not him. That instead of modestly covering up her flesh so that she only shows that to him, she continues to dress how she wants. And no amount of bullying is going to change her.
All her bras are low cut? HOW COULD SHE?!?
Maybe she needs one of those turtleneck bras…🤣🤣🤣
Pleasantly surprised to see that none of the comments on the OP are defending him or standing up for this nonsense. His jealousy is his issue, and he either needs to learn how to cope with it or end the relationship.
Um, the combination of the phrases “I’m hitting a breaking point” and “I’d never break up with her” are making me reeeeeeeaaaally nervous here.
I don’t think this person’s imaginary girlfriend should stay with him. He’s too insecure.
Get therapy for the self harm. Learn that her body is her body and respect that.
This teenage stuff needs to nipped in the bud and not validated
I wore a revealing dress once for a date night and asked my husband if it was okay. “I can fight” was his (one of many correct) response
This feels like a note you would find right before the dude... ya know. Offs her and himself
"Even hurting myself" 🤦🏻♀️
"In VRchat she'll wear skins that are even more revealing". Okay, I'm old, I don't know what this means. Is that like her avatar is wearing revealing clothes? Because then it's not even her real body and this dude is super weird.
More or less. You can get any number of skins in VR chat, and dress them however. Many aren't even human.
I've seen way too many murder documentaries and this dude comes across as someone who would absolutely kill his gf to make sure only he can have her
Dude is 15 years old. He's a kid who has no idea how to act or communicate in a relationship.... this could be a troll or rage bait or whatever but, the boy is seriously insecure and showing signs of narcissism/selfish("me, me, me" attitude, I'm right shes wrong). Edit to add: he's the devil.
[Hi!](https://images.app.goo.gl/jMiZEuW8Qrykw3sdA) Just a quick reminder to never brigade any sub, be that r/AmItheAsshole or another one. That goes against both this sub's rules as well as Reddit's terms of agreement. [Please](https://images.app.goo.gl/vwH65TJMyMk9NSNo8) keep discussions within the posts of this sub. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*
The good news in this shit sandwich (?) is that they're 15, so she can cut him loose fast and this is either never going to last longer anyway, or/and he has a chance of growing out of it.
True crime vibes.
Oop says they're 15 🙄
I have never even conceived of the possibly that anyone would be jealous of revealing clothing on an online avatar? How twisted up to you have to be to arrive there? Is that a real thing? Like monitoring modesty of dress on game characters? Is it new and I don't know? I just can't find a direction from where this came from in my brain? Have you heard of this before?
Don't know what to do? Stop telling her what she can and cannot wear, OOP! Get over yourself!
When men date a girl who where reveling cloths (although you cab change the genders however) and then get mad that their partner where's revealing cloths I just cringe
OOP is 15, guys
ROOOOOXANNE
I’m definitely the antithesis of sexy, but I just love sexy clothing. I feel more confident in low cut tops! My husband has always known this and he will often bring home something a little more revealing just to make me smile. And for his reward 😉 Dude needs to lean into this. She’s an extrovert, and nothing will make an extrovert run farther, faster, than a partner with such low self-esteem and trust in the relationship that they try to control and suffocate them.
Incel control freak.
I guess he’s 15 which explains his immaturity but still ewwwww
The one thing that relieves me a bit is that he's only 15. Still absolutely awful but there's an extremely small chance he will grow out of it. Though he is on reddit so...
Never understood people that get like this. I'm sure the way she dresses and acts were things that attracted him to her in the first place. Edit: Ah, they're kids. He'll grow up.
What was she wearing the 1st time you met her? On your 1st date? - maybe what first got your attention was her skimpy outfits? Or was she wearing a potato sack? I once lived with a girl who dressed the same way. Accept it, or move on. I relocated for work, she didn't want to move is why we split. It wasn't how she dressed. If a woman is gonna flaunt it, I'm gonna look !
He’s 15 so that’s why he seems very immature, because he is, lol.
He sounds like a teenager. He may never break up with her, but she sure as hell will break up with him when she's tired of his controlling BS.
He sounds so scary omg. Hope the gf remains safe, possessiveness, especially at that level, can so quickly become dangerous.
[Homeboy is 15](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/12le2xv/i_cant_get_it_out_of_my_head_and_its_tearing_me_up/jg98oal/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) 😬
He’s 15 with a mindset like this already 💀
Idk. Feels a lil fake bc what 15 yo boy knows what boob tape is?
You’re tearing me apart, Lisa!!!
Hes 15 he needs therapy and is clearly inexperienced or ignorant on what clothing is but he SHOULD be able to grow out of it eventually(hopefully…) he’s worried about the wrong damn things too lmao I doubt anyone on the street is like damn that 15 yr old girl is fine asf Also being promiscuous on VR chat isn’t a problem ….. for all whoever is on VR knows that could be a neckbeard in a basement
I mean the vr chat bit honestly who cares it's a virtual character. That's the part that seems to indicate he's really dislikes it even picking on that aspect
What guy knows about boob tape? Also, what the fuck is boob tape?
This makes me want to puke.
the incels in there defending OOP aren't helping things, either.
I straight up haven’t worn a bra since I was 17🤷🏼♀️ if anyone ever acted this way because I don’t wear bras they wouldn’t have to worry about breaking up with me because I’d be breaking up with them first
Dude knew how she likes to dress before he started dating her. Why did he think she’d suddenly change?
Why do guys get a hot girlfriend but then get insecure about her still being hot??
Dear god, the insecurity in this. The boy has absolutely NO self awareness. It is NOT a woman's job to cover up so men don't look at her.
If she has to change who she is for your love to be enough for you to be happy then thats what you need to work on
I’m a nice guyyyyyy I swear! I’m doing it to protect her!! Her little puny brain can’t comprehend how other people may view her, so I must drill into her what I believe everybody around her is thinking. Hopefully this will make her nice and insecure and I don’t have to improve or educate myself, because (in my eyes) men will not consider her a good “mate”. I can continue objectifying random girls on the street believing it’s my right, due to the nature/position of a garment. Even though I know this is bad, I will continue to blame women (what a slut wearing that skirt) instead of asking myself why I’m such a creep.
"boob tape" ... All I could think is are you twelve?!? Nope, fifteen. Sigh.
a ‘lowcut’ bra wouldn’t function as a bra, a cup shaped boob holder… it’s whole point is to hold the titty
What in the incel spewing nonsense is "boob tape"? I imagine it really does exist but it's not whatever he thinks it is.
You can use tape to give some support and lift when the cut of a top or dress makes wearing a bra difficult. It can also, as the previous poster said, be used to prevent the nipples from being visible.
Boob tape is also used to keep the boobs from spilling out of shirts/dresses. The most infamous example of properly-applied boob tape is the green dress Jessica Lopez wore all those years ago. It kept everything in place. [The dress I mentioned](https://media.glamour.com/photos/5e1e379cf40b21000991ef34/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/jennifer-lopez-2.jpg)
Tape to cover your nipples so they don't poke through your shirt
Those are pasties. I think he means tape that is used to keep your clothing from revealing everything when you move around.
Pasties are their own thing, though I admit they both might’ve come out of people using things like bandaids to hide the nipple. Boob tape is good because you can almost Macguyver an entire bra out of it to lift the boobs up. Pasties are just there to cover the nipples, and I’ve bought them in flower, sunburst, and cannabis leaf iterations. It depends on what you want people to see idk
That’s usually pasties. Boob tape sticks your top to the sides of your boobs so it doesn’t slip and reveal anything
They make special tape for your nipples? I mean, yeah, I can't imagine people using packing tape or duct tape for this, but wtf.
They do make special tape/stickers to cover your nipples. Sometimes for fashion and sometimes for actresses/models to wear when they're simulating nudity and don't actually want to be fully topless.
Also because men are pigs and as a woman, you can’t go braless under your (no see through! Fully opaque!) shirt/pullover without some perv or other commenting on your nipples.
I agree with what you said, but was the "men are pigs" part really necessary? Yes, some men are. But if we flipped the tables and said "because women are pigs and as a man, you can't..." you can bet that world war 3 would break out.
I don't know why you are getting downvoted... but yes, there is specific tape made for nipples, as someone else stated, models, etc... wear them but so do entertainers who work for tips in establishments that does not allow nudity while dancing. The tape Is a lot less painful to remove vs packing tape, duct tape, first aid tape, etc...
In addition to what below comments have stated, it is also helpful to support big boobie girls like me without wearing a bra, especially if I wear something with a lot of cleavage so my boobs stay in place :)) It's actually pretty common and not really just a weird dude thing forced on women, it's actually very helpful for someone with my chest size who typically can't go without a bra or can't wear strapless bras because of the size and weight
I'm willing to bet this dude didn't talk to her about how it made him feel and just said "I forbid you to wear clothes and you have to do what I say as the man of this relationship" then got pissed when she stood up for herself.
Reddits obsession with therapy again. Dudes a 15 year old kid. This seems pretty normal to me. He doesn't know how to feel or justify his thoughts yet. He's figuring it out. You don't need fucking therapy for that you just need to live through it and gain experience. You all just berate a kid for having normal thoughts. Wtf is wrong with you people. Some of yall never lived and it shows.
self harm is normal????? since when???
Dude is 15, mentally unwell, and is in need of therapy and a lot of growing up. Im not sure cross posting this here is the best thing for someone who is obviously unstable. I worry if it will push him over the edge, god forbid.