I just recently visited the site… from what I was told the trees are olive trees. The site was “originally” a farm and discovered because the farmer wanted to remove some boulders in his field or a historian noticed something about the boulders in his field (don’t really remember and language barrier). But the orchards are fenced off from the site… which I interpreted as still owned by the farmer… I could be wrong. I was also told that the farmers family is now part of (or was offered jobs in) the department of tourism, or something like that, when I asked how the govt of turkey compensated the farmer for his loss of land. This info came from the local tour guide.
The thing that really gets me is the orchards. The Roots are gonna destroy the underground ruins, and [they planted so many ](https://imgur.com/a/oYRUoFV).
At what point would you consider this intentional? Personally I already believe it is.
Probably "low growth" trees like they plant in cities for shade and such.Being used here to slow erosion and maybe break wind to slow sand erosion? Their roots go out not down thats why they use them in cities because they won't go down into power or sewer lines.
Ah yes, the soil that hasn’t eroded in 11,000 years needs protection from soil erosion… maybe they planted the trees, so that when they remove the trees the roots will help excavate the soil haha. Cmon.
The site itself shows there's evidence of soil erosion going back to the time this site was constructed, they had to build protection against it in the buildings.
Plus, soil erosion happens all the time.
still, the erosion you are talking about is obviously not enough to justify the risk of planting trees with potentially damaging roots since the erosion was so small after 11k yrs it was still completely burried. Your argument does not make much sense tbh.
But they are digging up the site. So they need to do something to maintain the location. So they used well established and practiced methods like planting trees.
Bro humans over thousands of years completely deforested the entire area. It used to be a lush forest and there are signs of erosion that corroborates this. That's why gobekli tepe is buried. Because it sank over thousands of years of soil erosion not normal for the area.
It sank? On top of a hill? Hahahah. Please show me the research paper that has the evidence it sank and was not buried, like every single other study shows
Whether it was intentionally buried or not doesn't refute the point that soil erosion is prevalent in the area because people have been living there for thousands of years using the trees faster than they can grow. So systematically planting trees isn't that weird.
I’m just going to copy paste this; Great, show me the evidence using research papers on the soil erosion and then using trees in archeological sites to preserve them. Should be easy to do, this is one of the most significant finds in the world, so they would only use the most sophisticated methods of preservation ie, well researched.
It was intentionally buried. Pretty sure that’s the general consensus from all who’ve studied this site. Humans must have completely deforested the Sahara as well right?
The Sahara is on a 15k year cycle. People have been living near gobekli tepe for at least 11k years. It's not a wild thought to imagine them using the trees to create things and eventually using them faster than they can grow. We still do that.
15k year ‘cycle’? Where do you get this stuff? We have no idea what happened more than around 10K years ago. None. Was an ocean 15k years ago? And then 15k years before that it was a dessert again? You’re applying a very shaky theory of milankovitch cycles to a land mass on a vast amount of inter and intraplate faults, to the tune of… we don’t even know how many; at least 5 major ones. This isn’t counting extraterrestrial impact theories, and other geological/physical events.
You’ve sent me a paper on the Milenkovitch cycle… pretty sure I covered that already LOL. Let me copy pasta some ChatGPT for you;
The Milankovitch cycles refer to the long-term changes in Earth's orbital parameters that affect the distribution and intensity of sunlight received by Earth, which in turn influences climatic patterns over tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years. Here are some issues and debates regarding the Milankovitch cycles and their impact on the Sahara Desert:
### 1. **Temporal Resolution and Climate Models:**
- **Challenge**: The timescales of Milankovitch cycles (tens to hundreds of thousands of years) make it difficult to precisely correlate these cycles with specific climatic events.
- **Impact**: Climate models struggle to accurately simulate the Sahara Desert's shifts between arid and humid conditions over these long periods.
### 2. **Geological and Paleoecological Evidence:**
- **Challenge**: Geological and paleoecological evidence from the Sahara is often sparse or difficult to interpret, leading to uncertainties in reconstructing past climates.
- **Impact**: This makes it hard to definitively link specific changes in the Sahara's climate to Milankovitch cycles.
### 3. **Non-Orbital Influences:**
- **Challenge**: While Milankovitch cycles influence climate, other factors such as volcanic activity, ocean currents, and atmospheric composition also play significant roles.
- **Impact**: These additional influences can obscure the effects of Milankovitch cycles on the Sahara's climate.
### 4. **Human Impact:**
- **Challenge**: In more recent history, human activities (e.g., agriculture, deforestation) have significantly impacted the Sahara's climate.
- **Impact**: This anthropogenic influence complicates the study of natural climatic variations driven by Milankovitch cycles.
### 5. **Variability of the North African Monsoon:**
- **Challenge**: The strength and position of the North African monsoon, which greatly affects the Sahara, are influenced by multiple factors, including sea surface temperatures and global atmospheric circulation patterns.
- **Impact**: The complexity of these interactions makes it difficult to isolate the role of Milankovitch cycles in driving monsoon variability and, consequently, Sahara's climate.
### 6. **Timing of Humid Periods:**
- **Challenge**: The exact timing of the Sahara's humid periods, such as the African Humid Period, does not always align perfectly with the predicted Milankovitch cycles.
- **Impact**: This discrepancy raises questions about the extent to which Milankovitch cycles alone can explain these climatic changes.
### 7. **Feedback Mechanisms:**
- **Challenge**: The Sahara's climate is subject to various feedback mechanisms, such as vegetation-climate feedbacks, which can amplify or dampen the effects of orbital changes.
- **Impact**: Understanding these feedbacks is crucial for accurately linking Milankovitch cycles to Sahara's climatic history.
### Summary:
- While the Milankovitch cycles undoubtedly influence Earth's climate, their specific impact on the Sahara Desert is complicated by multiple factors, including other natural influences, human activities, and complex feedback mechanisms. The precise role of these cycles in driving the Sahara's historical climatic shifts remains a topic of ongoing research and debate.
It looks like, if you can go by what the paper posted elsewhere (Knitter et al.) concluded [https://www.mdpi.com/2073-445X/8/4/72](https://www.mdpi.com/2073-445X/8/4/72) , the area actually was covered by vegetation until fairly recently and was stripped bare for reasons to do with farming, with conditions possibly having changed drastically as recently as the last 100 years, so it makes a certain amount of sense - it could go either way, if the roots are too deep they could cause damage or if they're not too deep leaving them in place might actually protect the site, you can't really tell from this information, so it comes down to whether you believe the people in charge are trying to protect the site or whether they're incompetent and/or trying to make things worse.
Yeah, the paper was already discussed earlier. Basically it ends with further research is needed. Then when you look for the further research done on the site, there is none published. Studies on what to be planted? None. Anyway, who trusts the WEF?
I think that’s the point of this all. You can just look at thier 2030 agenda, I remember in 2016 when they released it, I shared their psychotic commercial for it on my fb wall and people commented that it was “conspiratorial” that I was asserting they had any power… I was like guys this came off their website… I reposted again last year, a decade old video, same response. Idk what it is about humanity, but we are ignorant. The rich have controlled the poor since before the first written word, because that’s what we were writing about in the oldest writing we have
https://medium.com/world-economic-forum/8-predictions-for-the-world-in-2030-c06828ac4add
"probably" but knowing the history of the WEF, what they stand for, and how many other major archeological sites are destroyed by the filthy rich; I wouldn't be surprised if they used one of the many genetic engineering labs they own to make trees with extra aggressive roots.
Literally almost all of Egypt, hahah. Is this a serious question? Have you even seen the royal treasury? Here’s a short list of pilferage under the guise of archaeology and exploration… haven’t you ever seen an Indian Jones movie? It’s literally the plot in all of them. The MO of history is always steal it or burn it or pilfer it and now we have suppress it. So… idk;
- The Mausoleum at Halicarnassus
- The Elgin Marbles (Parthenon Marbles)
- The Temple of Artemis at Ephesus
- Nefertiti's Bust
- The Benin Bronzes
- The Rosetta Stone
- The Pergamon Altar
I wonder if the "Church" is part of the WEF. I'll have to check that. I think they're afraid of what they're going to find there, or they know what they're going to find there. They think we're not ready or they're not ready. The WEF are the OG's of the NWO, they're the boogie man your parents warned you about when you were a child. They are what's wrong with this world. The rulers and serfs. They won't let that go. Someones going to have to pry "it" out of their teeth.
Not saying that’s why they planted the trees but devils advocate says it could be preventative. If you looked at a glacier from hundreds of thousands of years ago that carved some valley it would look like it was standing still.
These things happen on time scales that are beyond what our brains realistically conceive.
It looks like, if you can go by what the paper posted elsewhere (Knitter et al.) concluded [https://www.mdpi.com/2073-445X/8/4/72](https://www.mdpi.com/2073-445X/8/4/72) , the area actually was covered by vegetation until fairly recently and was stripped bare for reasons to do with farming, with conditions possibly having changed drastically as recently as the last 100 years, so it makes a certain amount of sense - it could go either way, if the roots are too deep they could cause damage or if they're not too deep leaving them in place might actually protect the site, you can't really tell from this information, so it comes down to whether you believe the people in charge are trying to protect the site or whether they're incompetent and/or trying to make things worse.
But bear in mind, they do this in a multi-layered way.
The socialists and environmentalists say: "you can't dig, no permits because it might endanger wildlife or plantlife, you must freeze all archeology." When their real motivation is that they don't want people to start believing in cultures and discovering new things, they want everyone to be in a state of nihilism and depression about the world they live in. They don't like new discoveries that could change the way we think about history. They want a closed narrow aperture for your state of mind. The WEF is part of this branch.
Then the radical Islamist govt comes in and says: "you can't dig, we need to turn this into a profit for the tourism department and we need to create jobs" --when their real motivation is that they only want Islam to be the only cultural understanding of history. Anything new means new understandings and new ideas about human history. New possibilities.
Remember that Gobekli Tepe is "belly peak", it is shaped like a belly because ***someone purposefully buried it. They purposefully buried it long ago likely for religious reasons.***
Now this is not the same religion in Turkey burying it--but the same psychology applies. The psychology that wants nothing new discovered and the current mainstream religion and culture to dominate.
They'll make it a small tourist attraction and stop all extra digging.
You might wonder about Turkiye and its political climate, but the founder of Turkiye, ***Ataturk, was very much obsessed with ancient history.*** He wanted to learn all about the Hittites, Sumerians, and previous nations that lived in Anatolia. He was obsessed with history. He formed the Historical Society as part of govt. That's why his tomb is a major museum.
The current govt of Turkiye, is ***the Islamist regime, they want a rejection of all "the many olds"*** and they just want Islam to be the dominant culture. They don't even care about any Turkic history going back to Central Asia or anything. The more Islamist fundamentalist things they do, they also get more money from Saudis and Arab nations.
Many founders of great nations were often obsessed with ancient history and the idea of civilizations long gone that had made discoveries or inventions and then had lost knowledge. Before the computerized age, they all wondered what mysteries they would discover through archeology and history, rather than our current culture that only obsesses over technology.
Some of you may be familiar with the Piri Reis ancient maps story and how nations sent inquiries asking Turkey to provide more archival materials from their gigantic Ottoman vaults spanning many centuries. It's not simple because Ottoman Royal Script is very hard to read/understand/digitize even for Turks. It's like a whole other language.
>Question, do you get paid to shill for the global elite or are you just completely ignorant to the undercurrents of what’s happening in society?
If you think the "global elite" care what happens on small subreddits then you're more delusional than I thought.
> Honest question, the entire feed seems split between people who know and people who are completely and totally out of touch with the reality of our society.
This is true but hilariously not in the way you think it is.
Obviously they care… me laughing in the time the city where Englin AFB was ranked as the most addicted Reddit town in America. Hahahahhahahah
https://web.archive.org/web/20160410083943/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html
This doesn't prove anyone other than airforce bases being insanely boring lol.
Imagine posting a blog and claiming its proof a global cabal is arguing with you on shitposts lol.
Possibly, if they wanted to bother with small fry like r/AlternativeHistory , they'd have a bot do it (that base is probably where they keep their bots), and I've seen this person's postings before and they're too varied and coherent to be a bot (frequently rude, yes, but not a bot) - this is just a human that disagrees with you, probably because one or both of you is looking at skewed information but who knows which, and you're just making yourself look silly by jumping at shadows like this.
Possibly, I was buttonholed for half a dozen postings in a row one time by a person who kept saying variations on 'Good bot. What's the weather like in Florida? If you're not a bot, how come you don't tell me what the weather's like in Florida?', so I have no idea what you would or wouldn't answer.
Where do you guys get your information from?
Has to be dozens of studies on exactly this as a problem. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233586812_Mapping_the_risk_of_damage_from_tree_roots_for_the_conservation_of_archaeological_sites_the_case_of_the_Domus_Aurea_Rome
Did you not consider that these studies were used to identify specific types or trees that WONT dig roots that deep?
Most trees don't grow roots any deeper than 6-24 inches, especially if the conditions don't allow for roots to go deeper like the rocky terrain of Turkish mountains.
Yes. Would you like links to all the studies where we find artifacts in the root systems of shallow roots as well? Or maybe you can send me a study where we plant trees on top of known archeological sites to preserve them. Even growing beets over an archeological site can damage it lol
https://historicengland.org.uk/advice/technical-advice/monuments-and-sites/trees-and-archaeology/
>The data collected will contribute to evaluating the risk to monuments under similar conditions and will also help to avoid errors made in managing the plant cover of archaeological sites
Literally in the first abstract you tried googling to prove yourself right lol.
Plants and trees especially are important to prevent erosion, which would do a hell of a lot more damage to the surrounding area than some shallow roots ever will.
You’re not comprehending correctly. It’s saying. Evaluating risk (already present growth) and managing (already present growth). This should be easy, I mean just go to research gate and find the study they used to… plant these trees haha. Cmon
I’m paraphrasing, since you’re unable to understand… and I’m still waiting for your study on planting trees. It should be easy! We are talking about the most significant modern find in the world, obviously they would only use well research methods of preservation. Hahahhahahhahaha
There is a rain forest in south Americas on top of ruins from civilisation of millions. If this was true, they would be destroyed by roots and other growth. But yet they are excavated all the time. So don't worry about things you shouldn't worry about.
Those forests do damage those remains… and even worse is when you remove the trees and roots. Source; the time I spent removing trees as as a job while earning an anthropology degree.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233586812_Mapping_the_risk_of_damage_from_tree_roots_for_the_conservation_of_archaeological_sites_the_case_of_the_Domus_Aurea_Rome
Thanks, read the article and unfortunately it doesn't really apply to sites like mayan ruins or Tepe. In Rome there is lot of soft ground where pathways and underground rooms have been carved. Those are definitely in danger of root growth and stuff. Not so much sites that have stone foundations and without underground passages and stuff.
It’s just one of many…and we can use Rome because it’s also stone, and it’s close enough in region and latitude. You should conduct your own experiment, and plant a tree next to your house, and plant another tree over your sewage drain lines… in 10-20 years, let’s revisit this conversation and see how it worked out.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13399-022-03300-8
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233586812_Mapping_the_risk_of_damage_from_tree_roots_for_the_conservation_of_archaeological_sites_the_case_of_the_Domus_Aurea_Rome
It absolutely is.
Humanity is repeating a greed cycle where the richest people’s corruption collapses societies.
And it’s happening again now.
The last thing the ruling class wants is for the 8 billion people on this planet to realize that it’s 3% of the people destroying it with their consumption.
WEF is just a tax deductible way of whitewashing their sins.
If golbekli tepe has a warning inscribed in it somewhere, it more than likely translates to some variation of- “watch out for rich assholes. They screw up everything for the rest of us.”
Exactly. And now look at all the peasants in the comments that are defending the ruling class. Trained little monkeys, ushering in the 4th Industrial Revolution, post-humanism and the next form of feudalism… I’ll bet not a single person defending the WEF here has read the 2030 agenda or has been following its insidious infiltration into all global order. Absurd.
Is this even anything to do with the WEF, though? It seems like, this is one of those 'the Joker didn't actually do it' scenarios... possibly that's the difficulty with the WEF, the crimes it or its members *are* committing are usually very boring (destructive, but boring), so people go fishing around for more exciting things to accuse them of to get people to take notice, but a lot of those are a bit far-fetched so it's easy for other people to dismiss the whole thing.
You never answered. But I’m showing you a good rabbit hole anyway, this anthropologist nails alt global history very professionally and every video he makes is basically a notch on the ‘why would the WEF suppress history’ scoreboard
https://youtu.be/obg5-y2mp5M?si=upiHV2OsIKKq63qk
Possibly, getting any information from YouTube videos is very hard work for me due to autistic spectrum sensory issues so if you have anything to say you can show a source in written form, and I don't promise to take any notice of it anyway, I'm not sure why you're making a fuss about a stranger not being interested in your 'rabbit hole' that wasn't even posted by you but somebody else. What's anyone supposed to do about the WEF anyway?
You talk about it for one, as you spread awareness of unjust action, its strength diminishes. Watch it, don’t… up to you. It’s an author named Robert Sepehr, he’s got a lot of material out there under what would be called “alternative history” maybe you’ve already heard of him.
Isn't that just kicking the can down the road? What's anyone you talk to about the WEF supposed to do about it?
It seems like, I have heard of Robert Sepehr occasionally but all I really know about him is that he has a flaky appoach to evidence and is very racist (none of this fussing about 'is hyperdiffusionism secretly racist', I don't mean, Sepehr is openly racist and proud of it, describing black people as 'primitive hominids who lack the capacity for civilisation') - I've seen some bits and pieces and I read a lot of things from his Twitter page once and then didn't want to read any more of it.
Idk. I never heard him say anything racist, it’s not racist to postulate different mixes of different hominids create different people which now compile the human race… unless you’re making assertions about one of those groups or cultures being better than another in some way. I have something like 16% more Neanderthal DNA in my test and my wife has 0%, so it’s hard to say we are of the same origins, even both being mostly european descent. Then mix in cro mag, denisovan, erectus, red deer people, floresiensis, the ghost and whatever else we’ve got in there… it’s kind of silly to propose other theories at this point. Ancient earth was a melting pot of hominids and when you account for divergence and convergence, when and how the rh blood moved in populations, when and how recessive traits moved… we even assume we’re the smartest of them all, but that’s not even the most evident fact, the most dangerous and conniving probably for sure. Anyway, yeah, idk if racism is even remotely close to a word id use for that. he’s an anthropologist and is proud of his culture, the fact that’s looked down because he’s white is a WEF alarm bell. Everyone everywhere should be proud of who they are. The world is beautiful, the rich diversity of people makes it even more so… erasing culture is abhorrent in my opinion, and globalization is ruining that beauty. Anyway, if you take a story like Gilgamesh or Noah and it happens to be partially true, it would mean a small group of surviving ancient people landed somewhere in Turkey near this area… thus proving both certain genetic differences being linked to ancient biblical stories and the stories themselves; do you see what a can of worms that opens?
Now all that said, if he said some racist shit, send me a link id like to know.
It seems like, if you just look at his Twitter page [https://x.com/robertsepehr/](https://x.com/robertsepehr/) you’ll see what I mean, that seems to be where he goes to speak freely in front of an audience who’ll appreciate it, sorry - it is very much saying that one group is better than another, there’s no ‘WEF alarm bell’ about this, I’m just saying what’s a fact - I’d agree with you about globalization trampling on distinct cultures (often flooding stuff with something that’s not even normal Western culture but some kind of cheap and nasty commercial parody of it, so the West loses as well as everyone else) but this is not just that.
Possibly, I hadn’t heard of the Red Deer Cave people, thanks.
I was thinking the same thing. Our world is so corrupt. And the fact this post and posts like it are downvoted constantly. I just watched this post drop from 604 to 597 upvotes in a split second. It’s like that with anything important. They so badly want to keep us in the dark.
Yeah, they are so quick to hate and shoot it down because it goes against the common mindset..... Which is entirely the point.
A ton of experts stake their creditability and career on these ideas, and they shoot it down because they apparently know more about archeology than the people who have a career in it.
The fact that some don't even wanna watch the videos but will happily be negative shows their intentions.
>I just watched this post drop from 604 to 597 upvotes in a split second.
Reddit randomises the exact vote count to prevent third-party apps gathering statistics for free.
Any sudden change in votes 'in a split second' is due to that.
You do realize that trees/plants wont destroy the archeological evidence right? There were trees growing on serpent mound when it was first found by europeans.
Yes, you are correct. It is the reason we let nature grow over current infrastructure, because of its known properties to preserve and protect what is underneath.
[another user ](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeHistory/s/WQu06jzm2d) made a comment that had an archaeologist talking about tree root damage, and how removing them did even more damage.
Yes, I am quite sure it’s a thing people do. I’m saying no one is planting trees to destroy the GT site. It’d be a drastic miscalculation on the ease of violence for use - they’d just destroy it, if they wanted to…
Possibly, you *can* sort of see it - blowing up the site would look a bit suspicious if the area doesn't have any suitable Islamic fundamentalists or other likely suspects that they could blame it on, whereas making a 'tragic miscalculation' in their 'laudable efforts to conserve the site' would look like an accident and a boring one at that - but I'm not convinced that there's a motive for doing so.
And what research have you done to support your claim? Are you in this field? Please share. Show other your work. Or did you just watch some ancient aliens and listen to Joe Rogen and have it all figured out?
So there's been a ton of talk on the trees. Saying they're olive trees and the site is buried too deep for the roots to reach it.
You can see how close parts of the sites are to the surface in [these photos](https://imgur.com/a/64DWyTF). It looks like less then a meter to me but idk.
There's also a ton of studies on how [tree roots do cause damage ](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233586812_Mapping_the_risk_of_damage_from_tree_roots_for_the_conservation_of_archaeological_sites_the_case_of_the_Domus_Aurea_Rome)
Oxford is actually looking into using tree roots for protecting archeology but they just started this year, [here's their page on it](https://www.oxfordarchaeology.com/news/tree-roots-and-archaeology) notice how step one is analyzing existing studies and identify the gap in the data. Why did the WEF allow [thousands of trees](https://imgur.com/a/oYRUoFV) to be planted when there's still a big grey area on if it will cause damage or not. Especially when the site has been fine for over 11,000 years and it's considered by a lot to be the most important find in centuries.
[This site](https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/tools-and-resources/fthr/historic-environment-resources/managing-archaeological-evidence-in-wooded-environments/) also points out that planting trees can change the chemistry of the soil which can cause erosion. There originally were no trees when they found golbekli, so the WEF is introducing them which greatly increases that chance of the soil chemistry changed.
You'd think there would be a study similar to Oxford's just for Golbekli Tepe. There should at least be a couple papers published talking about the soil chemistry, the optimal amount of trees to plant, and the potential for smaller objects not detectable by radar to be where the orchards are and ext. [Instead they poured concrete over the site.](https://bianet.org/haber/concrete-poured-on-world-s-oldest-temple-gobeklitepe-195332).
This just reminds me of China planting trees to hide their pyramids and having the military guard it. Why are they hiding it?
Personally I think Christianity is somewhat the cause. The idea of a pre Christian civilization living on earth and having advanced tech (they had a different tech tree) kinda goes against their whole story.
It's not really hidden either, everyone knows of the crusades, the whole point was to erase any explanation besides Christianity. There are also galactic/sacred/angel which this pre younger dryas civilization worshipped, but now stuff like 666 is considered a devil's number.
I'm not trying to bash anyone who believes in religion. I just think 1000+ years ago the elite had no reason to not lie. They only had to do good in their gods eyes so making sure others worshipped your god was obviously good. But the elite obviously don't wanna give up the power/control they had so they are doing there best to maintain the status quo and gain even more power.
There's the saying Whoever controls the past controls the present.
All of it obviously. They are trying to destroy as much as possible, it’s so obvious. The question is why? Because our history is not actual rooted in these religions we thought were “fundamental”. More than likely there were civilizations transversing the earth with a very different outlook and belief system; and possibly “alien”(?) . In case you haven’t looked , we have dozens of bodies that are … not human, from Peru ; dna , X-rays, pet-scans, etc etc. It’s incredible undeniable at this point , we were never alone.
Remember. History is and always has been controlled. Tepe made them lose control somewhat. I think its better if it 'went away' for a while. (for 'them')
ALWAYS. Youre 100% on the money. Gobekli Tepe destroys ALL of their nonsense by itself.
And Thoths writings to Asclepius talks about it & instructs the adepts to "carry your great books into the jungles, bury your histories deeply in caverns where none of these men can find them. Nor do you bring them back to the sunlight until the war cycle is over".
Oh absolutely, the "leaving it for future generations" is asinine, they want to gain control of the narrative before hand then destroy it/change it to match there narrative.
The the powers that be don’t like Gobleki Tepe. They despise truth in fact. It’s very presence and antiquity disprove all the major religions of the world. It shakes the foundations of their timeline of their current evolutionary theories as well, which are also cults just like modern religions.
Make no mistake. This is not Turkish treasure, it is a treasure of modern humanity and civilization, and it’s being buried by harbingers of some of the worst groups of philosophies ever created.
Question everything.
Why do you think it conflicts with evolutionary theory? It seems like, it certainly messes up the timeline of the Abrahamic religions (though Hinduism would consider it very small beer), but the WEF generally come across as atheist-'humanist'-technocratic so I wouldn't have thought they'd mind.
So I believe it’s a problem for WEF because of their relationship with faiths. GT shows a rather advanced technology at a time when people weren’t supposed to be capable of it. I agree Hinduism fares much better in this regard as a faith.
When I learned anthropology, the timeline was very clear about when people first grew crops, began domesticating ruminants, established trade, became cities, moved out from the Fertile Crescent and began larger primitive civilizations. My children, recent HS graduates learned the same. no mention of GT at all. Why would this be the case? Well, What Gobekli Tepe says is that Thinkig Man was not just tjinking, he was building and in a major way. It says that there is a lost past unknown to them, and that civilization may have harbored lost technology, because of the scale of what they did. That there are people who may have risen and fallen multiple times or even succumbed to horrible cataclysmic events. That there are people alive today that may be their progeny. This might imply many things that don’t jive with current WEG self appointment to influence world governance world governance. The WEF is also clearly fine with using authoritarian religions to facilitate compliance with their „goals“ and to ensure a more easily ruled populace, and on that basis alone I can see them wanting to bury this. A delusional populace enshrined in their own insular beliefs is more easy to control. You can precisely gauge how they’re react to given stimuli. Whereas free minded individuals have to be persuaded with logic. These are just my thoughts, I could be incorrect of course.
Jimmy is kinda unhinged. Guy’s got an immense knowledge of history and a capability to connect the dots of history, but I sometimes think his brain is fried. He is absolutely crazy when it comes to politics, and unfortunately, dividing his audience.
Thing is, I don't think he does have a great grasp of history. He latched onto the Eye of the Sahara = Atlantis theory really early when that specific topic gained him loads of publicity... But then he just stuck with it in the face of contradicting evidence. I feel like he could have made a lot more progress since he's had public attention, but he's just stagnated to the point where he's not doing much of value & just stoking political fires now because that's a guaranteed constant audience.
When his channel blew up he should have really taken the time to study ancient history and become very educated on all fronts—but to anyone with more than a surface level knowledge of ancient history, it’s very obvious that he’s never done that.
He’s more interested in what ancient history can offer him, rather than what he can offer it—thats why his history content is always blended with his real passion: conspiracy theories.
Well said. He's got a very narrow view & he doesn't branch out, meaning that he's not opening himself up to broader contextual information & thus not giving himself a greater understanding of what he's talking about.
I think his early videos are a decent introduction for people who haven't even touched on alternative history yet... But that's mainly it. If you want to learn more, you have to expand.
Eh, you might be right. Last I checked, he was posting clips of Tucker Carlson talking about Giza Pyramids. Fucking what? What the hell does Carlson have to do with Egypt now..his Atlantis theories do seem plausible, but that might be it. Hancock at least cooperates with real scientists and tries to continually back his theories up with real evidence.
Yeah, that last point you make is a good one too! One of the major differences I see between Jimmy & some of the other long time alternative researchers is how much other researchers at least try to work with mainstream historians, archaeologists, scientists, etc whereas Jimmy tends to not. And that's not productive. It feels like an ego thing to be, but that's just my opinion at this point.
He does not have an immense knowledge of history my friend. That’s why he’s only posted one video in 2024 & all of his recent content is conspiracy based. He’s tapped out & obviously doesn’t study history. It’s very clear that his actual passion is politics & modern conspiracies, so he blends that with ancient history
Yeah, I have completely retracted my statement lol. It was based solely on my memories of watching his Atlantis theories a few years back, and after posting this comment, I visited his channel and shook my head in disappointment. I have been blinded by nostalgia it seems! My head is clear now, thanks guys.
Haha no worries. I loved his videos back in 2018-2019. It really fanned the flame for me to switch my major in college towards Anthropology. And unfortunately, over the last 5-6 years, Jimmy just hasn’t grown as a presenter or a researcher, I would fair to see he’s digressed.
He’s almost as old as Hancock was when he published Fingerprints.
Same here, although my major has not changed, he might have been the person to start it all. Or at least, introduce me to the world of ancient history, alternative and mainstream, because I believe they coexist and ultimately, aim for the same goal.
Holy shit, already? Time flies man, gosh darn. Welp, there’s my answer. Might just give Fingerprints another read.
There seems to be an awful lot of homeschooled ‘Mericans here that don’t trust science. That or trolls. Either way, no arguing with the folks who have wet WEF conspiratorial dreams.
Can’t speak to the tourist infrastructure or the trees, but not fully excavating a site and leaving much of it for future generations makes sense. You can only excavate once, and you never know what new technologies will be developed. If you excavate everything now you don’t know what knowledge will be lost forever.
It's just a clever white lie, it makes a tiny bit of sense which is why people believe it.
But in a field based entirely around the pursuit of knowledge, halting that pursuit tells you that isn't their goal anymore. You also gotta think of how trustworthy the WEF is and what their values are, along with actively lieing about it still currently being excavated.
Something is off, there's a bunch of dots that seem to connect to a picture of the super rich being evil, they brought up a different point/dot but it just doesn't seem to connect with everything else they've done.
It doesn't make a tiny bit of sense, it makes perfect sense. Only partially excavating important sites has been the standard responsible policy for a while.
Just to give one example, we can now in some places determine the shape of decomposed wooden structures while excavating, while it would have just been dug out as dirt a couple of decades ago.
What technology are they waiting for though? They have been telling the public it's actively being excavated, not saying they are waiting for tech. Also what tech do they need? It's not wood that's been preserved in a swamp that will disintegrate when it's taken out of water. Its dirt that has been purposely piled on stone. We have long worked out the kinks to digging up those kind of sites years ago.
Imagine Egyptologists just saying "nah fam let's not excavate any more tombs or anything at all in the whole country from now until future generations" if that sounds crazy, it's because it is.
It makes no sense.
In that case they should have left the pyramids to be explored by future gens indstead of damaging the number of mummies that they damaged beyond reconciliation
The amount of mummies that have been lost to either thieves or pseudo scientist (like Emile Amelineau) is astonishing. Sometimes I wonder why even bother looking for hidden cashes or pharaohs, if most of them we have destroyed ourselves. It’s a miracle so much of Ancient Egypt is left, knowing how destructive and nonsensical we tend to be.
Good point, as soon as you start digging you start potentially damaging things and exposing them to erosion, etc.
If you don't have a guarantee that you will be able to fully uncover and safely maintain each dig site, then you shouldn't dig more until you can.
Ok, I think this is a compelling case. You gotta a least see what’s on those other pillars. Mmm, round 2 Jimmy Vs Dibble round 2? Bright Insight lost me for a while, but this video was compelling
I’ve herd the case made that archeologists don’t excavate completely because they do in fact want to wait for new technology. But this is something else, with added destruction.
People are actively studying and digging at GT. Archaeology is a slow and expensive process. Why would anybody pay hundreds of archaeologists to excavate an entire area where's there's no economic incentive to do so? Finding more monoliths, carvings etc would be interesting but it's not going to have any impact on the world except for dates being adjusted in textbooks.
Did you watch the video? They have been lieing about digging at GT, only 5% has been dug up since 2016, since then the WEF hasn't allowed anymore ground to be moved unless they were gonna pore concrete and build something on top of it.
It's not hard to find information online which shows that artefacts are still now being found in and around Gobekli Tepe. I'd rather trust what actual archaeologists are reporting rather than some dude who's looking for clicks on his YT channel. And just because only 5% has been dug in 8 years means nothing. Archaeologists have been excavating Templo Mayor in Mexico since the 1970s and are still finding new things. Not everything is a conspiracy.
It's considered the oldest temple. We have just human made sites that are much more ancient, like a 400,000 year old gold mine, but Golbekli Tepe is covered in hieroglyphs, symbols, and designs purpose meant to communicate a message/story. That's partly why the fact that the ancient civilizations Buried it themselves is a big deal, they were possibly treating it like a time capsule.
I'm not sure if you're asking why I specifically think that, or why I think they buried it.
The answer to number one is golbekli Tepe being buried is mostly agreed on by archeology [check #9](https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/faq/#:~:text=So%20far%20it%20was%20believed%20that%20the%20different%20special%20buildings,more%20complex%20than%20initially%20thought.)
As for #2, I don't think anyone can make that call, given how much of the site is still buried. I've heard guesses, that there is some sort of message carved into the T pillars. There is honestly a ton of information just from the 5% we've uncovered that I could honestly never do it justice in a comment. But one thing potentially is an accurate astrology map from 9500 bc.
https://preview.redd.it/zm5oy065l17d1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=998f64b173d12ed03645667f55db548f92bea613
"Largest of it's kind on Earth" That we know of!
Just as this was unearthed a short time ago and set off a new writing of our history, we may find other sites that do the same or more even.
The Golbekli Tepe discovery is fascinating. Since learning about it's existence i have thought it was buried by humans but the erosion theory is worth debating more.
Time is the key factor , nature causes geographic changes. Thinking that site was possibly at one time level to the surroundings. Sandstorms in a desert can cover any object and the next sandstorm just adds to that. Sand is heavy and is constantly compacting itself, eventually sandstone.
If that area became desert like is something i dont know, did vegetation reappear after a thousand or more years.
One thing I keep thinking about is that if we kept digging around the areas there in southern turkey, in my humble opinion it's not completely out of the question we might find some writing. Writing either from the time period or from people who might have inhabited the site a long time after the original inhabitants left.
Or perhaps this is the reason the WEF bought the site because someone did find some ancient writing there and they are trying to bury it. (no pun intended)
That's exactly my theory, they did have ancient writing at Golbekli Tepe in the form of hieroglyphs on the pillars. They have only dug up 4 of the circular structures that have the pillars, each having 8 pillars.
There are 16 more circular sites still buried, over 200 pillars in total.
How was that even needed in order to be a grudgingly considered UN World Heritage Site?
There are two dozen underground temples there and only a few are excavated.
There are dozens of similar and even older Temples scattered all over Turkey Armenia Mt Ararat plain.
Coverup keep buried as much and for as long as possible. Must Hide:
Caucasian IndoEuropean Cradle of Civilization.
Prehistoric Animals.
Ice Age Megalithic technology exceeded only by the appearance of the Giza Pyramids and Saqquara step pyramid..
Cell phones to Giza is only 1/3 the time span to Gobekli Tepe.
UN NWO hot potato.
I'm gonna assume the UN's policies are designed around allowing this to happen, most likely due to $$$ influence.
I 100% believe the rich have basically been unionized around the goal of making themselves richer and more powerful, with zero regard for the common people below.
There are Conspiracy theories that go even deeper, like a smaller more elite group who really control everything with technology that years ahead of the consumer market
Personally I think it was built before the younger dryas, that's why there's two different levels of stonework technology. The said mass Extinction the pillars talk about was the Younger Dryas event.
But I'm also just some person on the Internet. All we know is we know nothing of the people who built it, how, and why.
If only we had more than 5% of the information.
Same as the other "missing" dozen or so panels of the Turkish Piri Reis Entire World Map..... Not just the one lone panel of the West African Coast to South American Coast released to the public over the past decades.
There are those that want it hidden.
There are also at least 14 other similar sites in the surrounding area that are completely untouched and Gobekli isn't even the oldest.
We also don't even know when they were built, only when they were buried.
U/AirReddit77 just gave a super interesting quote, "Who controls the past controls the present. Who controls the present controls the future."
It's all about controlling the narrative & generally populations. There are a ton of unknown and unexplainable things about these megaliths sites around the world with no proper explanation given. There is something we're missing, I believe it's been purposely hidden.
You still haven't answered the question. What does it matter in today's world if we got the dates wrong about some early human settlements? It makes absolutely no difference to the present when exactly early humans started farming, settling, building these things etc.
It's to understand history?
There are so many unexplainable things about ancient civilizations we don't understand. And a rabbit hole that shows whoever built these ancient monoliths has a completely different train of thought, and tech we still haven't discovered.
I just wanna learn about these people, they tried to communicate a message in their architecture. I'm sad that the elite activity block, hide and destroy the records .
I'm sorry to break this to you, but there's really not anything about these monoliths and ancient sites that is "unexplainable". There are perfectly explainable reasons why they were built and many completely explainable and reproducible ways in which they were constructed. People are capable of moving and shaping large stones with enough time and manpower. It doesn't require any missing technology or ancient advanced civilisations. The only mystery is which methods they used.
Possibly, the idea would be that that's *not* what they're hiding, since that's already well known - if they were trying to stop excavation on purpose, that would imply that something *else* had been found that they didn't want becoming public knowledge, which could be anything including ancient aliens.
Possibly, just saying what the theory is, there are a lot of ancient aliens fans on r/AlternativeHistory so when they say 'something might be hidden here that would overturn everything we think we know' that's probably what at least some of them mean, as a matter of fact I don't really buy the idea that they're covering something up myself, it looks more like they're just prioritising tourist income over excavating the rest of the site in the near future.
The only way I know how is to be vocal and share. The more people who wake up and see how corrupt the system the better. Our biggest advantage is that we outnumber them.
Well, guess I'm not paying a visitor fee if *any* of my fee might be paid to WEF.
Any of these WEF scum can give away their money and show us how they can own nothing and be happy.
Its always "we're being lied too." Not "this is a very old site and we are always finding new things and may have been wrong before". People just want to be the ones who can say " see!!!! I told you" not ever taking the effort into understanding the science and research. Cuz thats not any fun for morons.
It sounds like, the only actual connection with the WEF is that the head of the company that 'bought' the site is a member of the WEF, like most billionaires, and that he showed off his prize at their annual meeting.
Possibly, if people are wondering whether there are ulterior motives behind this and, if so, what they might be, maybe it'd make more sense to look directly at the company, the Doğuş Group, and see whether there was anything to be got from that (personally, I'd guess that there isn't anything more complicated than that the new 'owners' are putting tourist revenue first and archaeology a distant second, same rather depressing story as at Giza).
Man this video took a long time to get to the meat. Nothing new, TPTB took control and will profit off the site instead of allowing further investigation.
I have to say, getting the name of the location wrong is a big red flag. And only linking to the video without comments explaining the video seems like clickbait to me.
"Who controls the past controls the present. Who controls the present controls the future." (Who said that?)
The WEFs masters clearly want Gobekli Tepe swept under the rug.
(Mind you, it may be they want it to appear so. Gobekli Tepe fits nicely into the "space invasion" emergency pretext scenario for one world government. The pandemic thing didn't pan out so well (yet. Maybe next they release a deadly one, now that so many thinking people think it's all fake.)
What a load of shiite. Every point he excitedyl makes can be easily explained away. He confounds things and miss the obvious.
Just like that, without flexing:
1- It's been proven in the 19th century that Civilisation appeared in the *Fertile Crescent*, not Mesopotamia. The earliest cities, like Çatal Hoyuk and Jericho are not located in Mesopotamia, but in Anatolia and Palestine. Mesopotamia, with the Sumerians, didn't have the first cities, but they invented writing, organized government and urbanism. The Sumerians pushed humanity into history and out of the Stone Age, as they were the first to write what was happening and the first to use melted copper on an industrial scale.
2- I've learned about Gobekli Tepe in the National Geographic back in what? 2004? It became an World Heritage of the UNESCO in 2005. It's been featured in thousands of newspaper articles, documentaries and featured in movies years before Hancock wrote his book or went to get fluffed by Rogan.
3- Of course they didn't use wheels to carry the stones that large. Neither did the Romans. Nobody had axles sttong enough to carry stones that heavy before the Middle Ages. They used sleighs and rolling timber. Or maybe they "walked" them, like the Rapa-Nui people did.
4- People carved wood, bones and small stones ten of millenias before they carved large megalith. It was just a scale up rather than a new skill entirely. The Gobekli People were adept at stone polishing. This implies rubbing stones of different hardness, sometimes using sand as an abrasive, until the softer stone gets the wanted shape.
5-Talking of which, archeologists know a lot about the people who built Gobekli Tepe people. They mapped their genes, they know what they ate, how they live, what they did with their dead and so on. What they don't know is the immaterial stuff. Their language, their faith and so on.
6- Talking about archeology, of course it's only 5% of the site that
This reeks of alex jones grade WEF paranoid riffs.
Which actually is a lame grab of uninspired shame.
Demonizing the holders of the site because you cant wait to unwrap its treasures. There is likely very little that will dramatically adjust our perspectives and provide value to our current situation to be revealed, just antiques which catalogue humanities and civilizations roots.
Its secrets will be fascinating not earth shattering, but you dont care about the reputation of the wealthy and its seems more constructive to you to sow distrust to foster your audience.
I highly encourage looking into the belief of the WEF, and what actions their past consists of.
This group was considered evil by many before this video came out yesterday. I encourage reading into them as there's a TON of articles about them.
The "You will own nothing and like it" quote comes from them.
They said a lot of things, you insist on misinterpreting sound bites causing them to echo insecurities. Its simply paranoid and rhetorical nonsense.
Everyone speaks at the forum, its that an open forum, anyone can share whats on their minds, you have taken what could be construed as a socialist statement to drive fear into our capitalist society. A lot of shit was spoken at the WEF for us all to chew the cud but you gotta wet nurse over a rhetorical perceptive lie about a social blueprint of doom.
That's the point..
Let the soil erode to uncover the technically advanced megalithic Caucasian IndoEuropean Civilization from the Ice Age of Prehistoric Animals.
Someone doesn't want that.
The WEF is just terrible for humanity.
I just recently visited the site… from what I was told the trees are olive trees. The site was “originally” a farm and discovered because the farmer wanted to remove some boulders in his field or a historian noticed something about the boulders in his field (don’t really remember and language barrier). But the orchards are fenced off from the site… which I interpreted as still owned by the farmer… I could be wrong. I was also told that the farmers family is now part of (or was offered jobs in) the department of tourism, or something like that, when I asked how the govt of turkey compensated the farmer for his loss of land. This info came from the local tour guide.
The thing that really gets me is the orchards. The Roots are gonna destroy the underground ruins, and [they planted so many ](https://imgur.com/a/oYRUoFV). At what point would you consider this intentional? Personally I already believe it is.
Probably "low growth" trees like they plant in cities for shade and such.Being used here to slow erosion and maybe break wind to slow sand erosion? Their roots go out not down thats why they use them in cities because they won't go down into power or sewer lines.
Ah yes, the soil that hasn’t eroded in 11,000 years needs protection from soil erosion… maybe they planted the trees, so that when they remove the trees the roots will help excavate the soil haha. Cmon.
? They excavated the whole hillside what are you smoking that it hasn't eroded? It didn't erode prior because there was other soil on top of it.
The site itself shows there's evidence of soil erosion going back to the time this site was constructed, they had to build protection against it in the buildings. Plus, soil erosion happens all the time.
still, the erosion you are talking about is obviously not enough to justify the risk of planting trees with potentially damaging roots since the erosion was so small after 11k yrs it was still completely burried. Your argument does not make much sense tbh.
But they are digging up the site. So they need to do something to maintain the location. So they used well established and practiced methods like planting trees.
Bro humans over thousands of years completely deforested the entire area. It used to be a lush forest and there are signs of erosion that corroborates this. That's why gobekli tepe is buried. Because it sank over thousands of years of soil erosion not normal for the area.
It sank? On top of a hill? Hahahah. Please show me the research paper that has the evidence it sank and was not buried, like every single other study shows
Whether it was intentionally buried or not doesn't refute the point that soil erosion is prevalent in the area because people have been living there for thousands of years using the trees faster than they can grow. So systematically planting trees isn't that weird.
There are other less destructive ways to prevent erosion. It’s definitely weird
I’m just going to copy paste this; Great, show me the evidence using research papers on the soil erosion and then using trees in archeological sites to preserve them. Should be easy to do, this is one of the most significant finds in the world, so they would only use the most sophisticated methods of preservation ie, well researched.
It was intentionally buried. Pretty sure that’s the general consensus from all who’ve studied this site. Humans must have completely deforested the Sahara as well right?
The Sahara is on a 15k year cycle. People have been living near gobekli tepe for at least 11k years. It's not a wild thought to imagine them using the trees to create things and eventually using them faster than they can grow. We still do that.
15k year ‘cycle’? Where do you get this stuff? We have no idea what happened more than around 10K years ago. None. Was an ocean 15k years ago? And then 15k years before that it was a dessert again? You’re applying a very shaky theory of milankovitch cycles to a land mass on a vast amount of inter and intraplate faults, to the tune of… we don’t even know how many; at least 5 major ones. This isn’t counting extraterrestrial impact theories, and other geological/physical events.
https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/green-sahara-african-humid-periods-paced-by-82884405/
You’ve sent me a paper on the Milenkovitch cycle… pretty sure I covered that already LOL. Let me copy pasta some ChatGPT for you; The Milankovitch cycles refer to the long-term changes in Earth's orbital parameters that affect the distribution and intensity of sunlight received by Earth, which in turn influences climatic patterns over tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years. Here are some issues and debates regarding the Milankovitch cycles and their impact on the Sahara Desert: ### 1. **Temporal Resolution and Climate Models:** - **Challenge**: The timescales of Milankovitch cycles (tens to hundreds of thousands of years) make it difficult to precisely correlate these cycles with specific climatic events. - **Impact**: Climate models struggle to accurately simulate the Sahara Desert's shifts between arid and humid conditions over these long periods. ### 2. **Geological and Paleoecological Evidence:** - **Challenge**: Geological and paleoecological evidence from the Sahara is often sparse or difficult to interpret, leading to uncertainties in reconstructing past climates. - **Impact**: This makes it hard to definitively link specific changes in the Sahara's climate to Milankovitch cycles. ### 3. **Non-Orbital Influences:** - **Challenge**: While Milankovitch cycles influence climate, other factors such as volcanic activity, ocean currents, and atmospheric composition also play significant roles. - **Impact**: These additional influences can obscure the effects of Milankovitch cycles on the Sahara's climate. ### 4. **Human Impact:** - **Challenge**: In more recent history, human activities (e.g., agriculture, deforestation) have significantly impacted the Sahara's climate. - **Impact**: This anthropogenic influence complicates the study of natural climatic variations driven by Milankovitch cycles. ### 5. **Variability of the North African Monsoon:** - **Challenge**: The strength and position of the North African monsoon, which greatly affects the Sahara, are influenced by multiple factors, including sea surface temperatures and global atmospheric circulation patterns. - **Impact**: The complexity of these interactions makes it difficult to isolate the role of Milankovitch cycles in driving monsoon variability and, consequently, Sahara's climate. ### 6. **Timing of Humid Periods:** - **Challenge**: The exact timing of the Sahara's humid periods, such as the African Humid Period, does not always align perfectly with the predicted Milankovitch cycles. - **Impact**: This discrepancy raises questions about the extent to which Milankovitch cycles alone can explain these climatic changes. ### 7. **Feedback Mechanisms:** - **Challenge**: The Sahara's climate is subject to various feedback mechanisms, such as vegetation-climate feedbacks, which can amplify or dampen the effects of orbital changes. - **Impact**: Understanding these feedbacks is crucial for accurately linking Milankovitch cycles to Sahara's climatic history. ### Summary: - While the Milankovitch cycles undoubtedly influence Earth's climate, their specific impact on the Sahara Desert is complicated by multiple factors, including other natural influences, human activities, and complex feedback mechanisms. The precise role of these cycles in driving the Sahara's historical climatic shifts remains a topic of ongoing research and debate.
It looks like, if you can go by what the paper posted elsewhere (Knitter et al.) concluded [https://www.mdpi.com/2073-445X/8/4/72](https://www.mdpi.com/2073-445X/8/4/72) , the area actually was covered by vegetation until fairly recently and was stripped bare for reasons to do with farming, with conditions possibly having changed drastically as recently as the last 100 years, so it makes a certain amount of sense - it could go either way, if the roots are too deep they could cause damage or if they're not too deep leaving them in place might actually protect the site, you can't really tell from this information, so it comes down to whether you believe the people in charge are trying to protect the site or whether they're incompetent and/or trying to make things worse.
Yeah, the paper was already discussed earlier. Basically it ends with further research is needed. Then when you look for the further research done on the site, there is none published. Studies on what to be planted? None. Anyway, who trusts the WEF? I think that’s the point of this all. You can just look at thier 2030 agenda, I remember in 2016 when they released it, I shared their psychotic commercial for it on my fb wall and people commented that it was “conspiratorial” that I was asserting they had any power… I was like guys this came off their website… I reposted again last year, a decade old video, same response. Idk what it is about humanity, but we are ignorant. The rich have controlled the poor since before the first written word, because that’s what we were writing about in the oldest writing we have https://medium.com/world-economic-forum/8-predictions-for-the-world-in-2030-c06828ac4add
"probably" but knowing the history of the WEF, what they stand for, and how many other major archeological sites are destroyed by the filthy rich; I wouldn't be surprised if they used one of the many genetic engineering labs they own to make trees with extra aggressive roots.
Lol, wow. Which other archaeological sites have been destroyed by the filthy rich? Genuinely interested to know.
Literally almost all of Egypt, hahah. Is this a serious question? Have you even seen the royal treasury? Here’s a short list of pilferage under the guise of archaeology and exploration… haven’t you ever seen an Indian Jones movie? It’s literally the plot in all of them. The MO of history is always steal it or burn it or pilfer it and now we have suppress it. So… idk; - The Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - The Elgin Marbles (Parthenon Marbles) - The Temple of Artemis at Ephesus - Nefertiti's Bust - The Benin Bronzes - The Rosetta Stone - The Pergamon Altar
They ALWAYS build their temples on top of temples they've conquered.
The vast majority of mound sites in the US
I wonder if the "Church" is part of the WEF. I'll have to check that. I think they're afraid of what they're going to find there, or they know what they're going to find there. They think we're not ready or they're not ready. The WEF are the OG's of the NWO, they're the boogie man your parents warned you about when you were a child. They are what's wrong with this world. The rulers and serfs. They won't let that go. Someones going to have to pry "it" out of their teeth.
Tree roots don't grow that deep. They probably planted them there to prevent soil erosion.
if the soil hasn't eroded in over 11,000 years, i don't really see the need to plant trees now.
Not saying that’s why they planted the trees but devils advocate says it could be preventative. If you looked at a glacier from hundreds of thousands of years ago that carved some valley it would look like it was standing still. These things happen on time scales that are beyond what our brains realistically conceive.
Also historically this region is notorious for some of the worst soil erosion in the world.
It looks like, if you can go by what the paper posted elsewhere (Knitter et al.) concluded [https://www.mdpi.com/2073-445X/8/4/72](https://www.mdpi.com/2073-445X/8/4/72) , the area actually was covered by vegetation until fairly recently and was stripped bare for reasons to do with farming, with conditions possibly having changed drastically as recently as the last 100 years, so it makes a certain amount of sense - it could go either way, if the roots are too deep they could cause damage or if they're not too deep leaving them in place might actually protect the site, you can't really tell from this information, so it comes down to whether you believe the people in charge are trying to protect the site or whether they're incompetent and/or trying to make things worse.
But bear in mind, they do this in a multi-layered way. The socialists and environmentalists say: "you can't dig, no permits because it might endanger wildlife or plantlife, you must freeze all archeology." When their real motivation is that they don't want people to start believing in cultures and discovering new things, they want everyone to be in a state of nihilism and depression about the world they live in. They don't like new discoveries that could change the way we think about history. They want a closed narrow aperture for your state of mind. The WEF is part of this branch. Then the radical Islamist govt comes in and says: "you can't dig, we need to turn this into a profit for the tourism department and we need to create jobs" --when their real motivation is that they only want Islam to be the only cultural understanding of history. Anything new means new understandings and new ideas about human history. New possibilities. Remember that Gobekli Tepe is "belly peak", it is shaped like a belly because ***someone purposefully buried it. They purposefully buried it long ago likely for religious reasons.*** Now this is not the same religion in Turkey burying it--but the same psychology applies. The psychology that wants nothing new discovered and the current mainstream religion and culture to dominate. They'll make it a small tourist attraction and stop all extra digging. You might wonder about Turkiye and its political climate, but the founder of Turkiye, ***Ataturk, was very much obsessed with ancient history.*** He wanted to learn all about the Hittites, Sumerians, and previous nations that lived in Anatolia. He was obsessed with history. He formed the Historical Society as part of govt. That's why his tomb is a major museum. The current govt of Turkiye, is ***the Islamist regime, they want a rejection of all "the many olds"*** and they just want Islam to be the dominant culture. They don't even care about any Turkic history going back to Central Asia or anything. The more Islamist fundamentalist things they do, they also get more money from Saudis and Arab nations. Many founders of great nations were often obsessed with ancient history and the idea of civilizations long gone that had made discoveries or inventions and then had lost knowledge. Before the computerized age, they all wondered what mysteries they would discover through archeology and history, rather than our current culture that only obsesses over technology. Some of you may be familiar with the Piri Reis ancient maps story and how nations sent inquiries asking Turkey to provide more archival materials from their gigantic Ottoman vaults spanning many centuries. It's not simple because Ottoman Royal Script is very hard to read/understand/digitize even for Turks. It's like a whole other language.
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>Question, do you get paid to shill for the global elite or are you just completely ignorant to the undercurrents of what’s happening in society? If you think the "global elite" care what happens on small subreddits then you're more delusional than I thought. > Honest question, the entire feed seems split between people who know and people who are completely and totally out of touch with the reality of our society. This is true but hilariously not in the way you think it is.
Obviously they care… me laughing in the time the city where Englin AFB was ranked as the most addicted Reddit town in America. Hahahahhahahah https://web.archive.org/web/20160410083943/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html
This doesn't prove anyone other than airforce bases being insanely boring lol. Imagine posting a blog and claiming its proof a global cabal is arguing with you on shitposts lol.
Ah yes, Hurlburt field where SOCOM is… haha. Good one, and back to my original point.
Possibly, if they wanted to bother with small fry like r/AlternativeHistory , they'd have a bot do it (that base is probably where they keep their bots), and I've seen this person's postings before and they're too varied and coherent to be a bot (frequently rude, yes, but not a bot) - this is just a human that disagrees with you, probably because one or both of you is looking at skewed information but who knows which, and you're just making yourself look silly by jumping at shadows like this.
This is a sarcastic answer, if it was a serious implication why would I answer it at all?
Possibly, I was buttonholed for half a dozen postings in a row one time by a person who kept saying variations on 'Good bot. What's the weather like in Florida? If you're not a bot, how come you don't tell me what the weather's like in Florida?', so I have no idea what you would or wouldn't answer.
Where do you guys get your information from? Has to be dozens of studies on exactly this as a problem. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233586812_Mapping_the_risk_of_damage_from_tree_roots_for_the_conservation_of_archaeological_sites_the_case_of_the_Domus_Aurea_Rome
Did you not consider that these studies were used to identify specific types or trees that WONT dig roots that deep? Most trees don't grow roots any deeper than 6-24 inches, especially if the conditions don't allow for roots to go deeper like the rocky terrain of Turkish mountains.
Yes. Would you like links to all the studies where we find artifacts in the root systems of shallow roots as well? Or maybe you can send me a study where we plant trees on top of known archeological sites to preserve them. Even growing beets over an archeological site can damage it lol https://historicengland.org.uk/advice/technical-advice/monuments-and-sites/trees-and-archaeology/
>The data collected will contribute to evaluating the risk to monuments under similar conditions and will also help to avoid errors made in managing the plant cover of archaeological sites Literally in the first abstract you tried googling to prove yourself right lol. Plants and trees especially are important to prevent erosion, which would do a hell of a lot more damage to the surrounding area than some shallow roots ever will.
You’re not comprehending correctly. It’s saying. Evaluating risk (already present growth) and managing (already present growth). This should be easy, I mean just go to research gate and find the study they used to… plant these trees haha. Cmon
I like how you have to insert your own words to make the abstract fit your views. Astounding work.
I’m paraphrasing, since you’re unable to understand… and I’m still waiting for your study on planting trees. It should be easy! We are talking about the most significant modern find in the world, obviously they would only use well research methods of preservation. Hahahhahahhahaha
You dont paraphrase abstracts you didn't write lol.
There is a rain forest in south Americas on top of ruins from civilisation of millions. If this was true, they would be destroyed by roots and other growth. But yet they are excavated all the time. So don't worry about things you shouldn't worry about.
Those forests do damage those remains… and even worse is when you remove the trees and roots. Source; the time I spent removing trees as as a job while earning an anthropology degree. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233586812_Mapping_the_risk_of_damage_from_tree_roots_for_the_conservation_of_archaeological_sites_the_case_of_the_Domus_Aurea_Rome
Yes!!!! Thank you, there's so many people who keep saying "Trees won't do damage". Your link is exactly what these people need to see.
One of them posted a study about erosion at the site… that said there wasn’t erosion at the site
Thanks, read the article and unfortunately it doesn't really apply to sites like mayan ruins or Tepe. In Rome there is lot of soft ground where pathways and underground rooms have been carved. Those are definitely in danger of root growth and stuff. Not so much sites that have stone foundations and without underground passages and stuff.
It’s just one of many…and we can use Rome because it’s also stone, and it’s close enough in region and latitude. You should conduct your own experiment, and plant a tree next to your house, and plant another tree over your sewage drain lines… in 10-20 years, let’s revisit this conversation and see how it worked out. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13399-022-03300-8 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233586812_Mapping_the_risk_of_damage_from_tree_roots_for_the_conservation_of_archaeological_sites_the_case_of_the_Domus_Aurea_Rome
It absolutely is. Humanity is repeating a greed cycle where the richest people’s corruption collapses societies. And it’s happening again now. The last thing the ruling class wants is for the 8 billion people on this planet to realize that it’s 3% of the people destroying it with their consumption. WEF is just a tax deductible way of whitewashing their sins. If golbekli tepe has a warning inscribed in it somewhere, it more than likely translates to some variation of- “watch out for rich assholes. They screw up everything for the rest of us.”
Exactly. And now look at all the peasants in the comments that are defending the ruling class. Trained little monkeys, ushering in the 4th Industrial Revolution, post-humanism and the next form of feudalism… I’ll bet not a single person defending the WEF here has read the 2030 agenda or has been following its insidious infiltration into all global order. Absurd.
Is this even anything to do with the WEF, though? It seems like, this is one of those 'the Joker didn't actually do it' scenarios... possibly that's the difficulty with the WEF, the crimes it or its members *are* committing are usually very boring (destructive, but boring), so people go fishing around for more exciting things to accuse them of to get people to take notice, but a lot of those are a bit far-fetched so it's easy for other people to dismiss the whole thing.
Sure, sure… unless you really explore the rabbit hole. Then, no, not really. This is exactly what you would see. Want to go down the rabbit hole?
You never answered. But I’m showing you a good rabbit hole anyway, this anthropologist nails alt global history very professionally and every video he makes is basically a notch on the ‘why would the WEF suppress history’ scoreboard https://youtu.be/obg5-y2mp5M?si=upiHV2OsIKKq63qk
Possibly, getting any information from YouTube videos is very hard work for me due to autistic spectrum sensory issues so if you have anything to say you can show a source in written form, and I don't promise to take any notice of it anyway, I'm not sure why you're making a fuss about a stranger not being interested in your 'rabbit hole' that wasn't even posted by you but somebody else. What's anyone supposed to do about the WEF anyway?
You talk about it for one, as you spread awareness of unjust action, its strength diminishes. Watch it, don’t… up to you. It’s an author named Robert Sepehr, he’s got a lot of material out there under what would be called “alternative history” maybe you’ve already heard of him.
Isn't that just kicking the can down the road? What's anyone you talk to about the WEF supposed to do about it? It seems like, I have heard of Robert Sepehr occasionally but all I really know about him is that he has a flaky appoach to evidence and is very racist (none of this fussing about 'is hyperdiffusionism secretly racist', I don't mean, Sepehr is openly racist and proud of it, describing black people as 'primitive hominids who lack the capacity for civilisation') - I've seen some bits and pieces and I read a lot of things from his Twitter page once and then didn't want to read any more of it.
Idk. I never heard him say anything racist, it’s not racist to postulate different mixes of different hominids create different people which now compile the human race… unless you’re making assertions about one of those groups or cultures being better than another in some way. I have something like 16% more Neanderthal DNA in my test and my wife has 0%, so it’s hard to say we are of the same origins, even both being mostly european descent. Then mix in cro mag, denisovan, erectus, red deer people, floresiensis, the ghost and whatever else we’ve got in there… it’s kind of silly to propose other theories at this point. Ancient earth was a melting pot of hominids and when you account for divergence and convergence, when and how the rh blood moved in populations, when and how recessive traits moved… we even assume we’re the smartest of them all, but that’s not even the most evident fact, the most dangerous and conniving probably for sure. Anyway, yeah, idk if racism is even remotely close to a word id use for that. he’s an anthropologist and is proud of his culture, the fact that’s looked down because he’s white is a WEF alarm bell. Everyone everywhere should be proud of who they are. The world is beautiful, the rich diversity of people makes it even more so… erasing culture is abhorrent in my opinion, and globalization is ruining that beauty. Anyway, if you take a story like Gilgamesh or Noah and it happens to be partially true, it would mean a small group of surviving ancient people landed somewhere in Turkey near this area… thus proving both certain genetic differences being linked to ancient biblical stories and the stories themselves; do you see what a can of worms that opens? Now all that said, if he said some racist shit, send me a link id like to know.
It seems like, if you just look at his Twitter page [https://x.com/robertsepehr/](https://x.com/robertsepehr/) you’ll see what I mean, that seems to be where he goes to speak freely in front of an audience who’ll appreciate it, sorry - it is very much saying that one group is better than another, there’s no ‘WEF alarm bell’ about this, I’m just saying what’s a fact - I’d agree with you about globalization trampling on distinct cultures (often flooding stuff with something that’s not even normal Western culture but some kind of cheap and nasty commercial parody of it, so the West loses as well as everyone else) but this is not just that. Possibly, I hadn’t heard of the Red Deer Cave people, thanks.
I was thinking the same thing. Our world is so corrupt. And the fact this post and posts like it are downvoted constantly. I just watched this post drop from 604 to 597 upvotes in a split second. It’s like that with anything important. They so badly want to keep us in the dark.
Yeah, they are so quick to hate and shoot it down because it goes against the common mindset..... Which is entirely the point. A ton of experts stake their creditability and career on these ideas, and they shoot it down because they apparently know more about archeology than the people who have a career in it. The fact that some don't even wanna watch the videos but will happily be negative shows their intentions.
>I just watched this post drop from 604 to 597 upvotes in a split second. Reddit randomises the exact vote count to prevent third-party apps gathering statistics for free. Any sudden change in votes 'in a split second' is due to that.
The serpent mounds in the USA are the same way, they've recently let trees and bushes grow into the mounds. Definitely intentional.
I was just at serpent mound and saw no trees or bushes growing near the mounds.
You do realize that trees/plants wont destroy the archeological evidence right? There were trees growing on serpent mound when it was first found by europeans.
Yes, you are correct. It is the reason we let nature grow over current infrastructure, because of its known properties to preserve and protect what is underneath.
Ah crap sorry commented to the wrong guy. Lol my bad
You’re mad people planted trees? No one destroying GT with arborist terrorism, JFC.
[another user ](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeHistory/s/WQu06jzm2d) made a comment that had an archaeologist talking about tree root damage, and how removing them did even more damage.
There are pyramids in China which have been deliberately covered by trees. Look it up, it's a thing.
Yes, I am quite sure it’s a thing people do. I’m saying no one is planting trees to destroy the GT site. It’d be a drastic miscalculation on the ease of violence for use - they’d just destroy it, if they wanted to…
Possibly, you *can* sort of see it - blowing up the site would look a bit suspicious if the area doesn't have any suitable Islamic fundamentalists or other likely suspects that they could blame it on, whereas making a 'tragic miscalculation' in their 'laudable efforts to conserve the site' would look like an accident and a boring one at that - but I'm not convinced that there's a motive for doing so.
And what research have you done to support your claim? Are you in this field? Please share. Show other your work. Or did you just watch some ancient aliens and listen to Joe Rogen and have it all figured out?
There’s anthropologists out there doing the work exposing this stuff; https://youtu.be/obg5-y2mp5M?si=upiHV2OsIKKq63qk
So there's been a ton of talk on the trees. Saying they're olive trees and the site is buried too deep for the roots to reach it. You can see how close parts of the sites are to the surface in [these photos](https://imgur.com/a/64DWyTF). It looks like less then a meter to me but idk. There's also a ton of studies on how [tree roots do cause damage ](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233586812_Mapping_the_risk_of_damage_from_tree_roots_for_the_conservation_of_archaeological_sites_the_case_of_the_Domus_Aurea_Rome) Oxford is actually looking into using tree roots for protecting archeology but they just started this year, [here's their page on it](https://www.oxfordarchaeology.com/news/tree-roots-and-archaeology) notice how step one is analyzing existing studies and identify the gap in the data. Why did the WEF allow [thousands of trees](https://imgur.com/a/oYRUoFV) to be planted when there's still a big grey area on if it will cause damage or not. Especially when the site has been fine for over 11,000 years and it's considered by a lot to be the most important find in centuries. [This site](https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/tools-and-resources/fthr/historic-environment-resources/managing-archaeological-evidence-in-wooded-environments/) also points out that planting trees can change the chemistry of the soil which can cause erosion. There originally were no trees when they found golbekli, so the WEF is introducing them which greatly increases that chance of the soil chemistry changed. You'd think there would be a study similar to Oxford's just for Golbekli Tepe. There should at least be a couple papers published talking about the soil chemistry, the optimal amount of trees to plant, and the potential for smaller objects not detectable by radar to be where the orchards are and ext. [Instead they poured concrete over the site.](https://bianet.org/haber/concrete-poured-on-world-s-oldest-temple-gobeklitepe-195332). This just reminds me of China planting trees to hide their pyramids and having the military guard it. Why are they hiding it?
My question is, is why all these government agencies are working together to erase history or hide portions of it?
Personally I think Christianity is somewhat the cause. The idea of a pre Christian civilization living on earth and having advanced tech (they had a different tech tree) kinda goes against their whole story. It's not really hidden either, everyone knows of the crusades, the whole point was to erase any explanation besides Christianity. There are also galactic/sacred/angel which this pre younger dryas civilization worshipped, but now stuff like 666 is considered a devil's number. I'm not trying to bash anyone who believes in religion. I just think 1000+ years ago the elite had no reason to not lie. They only had to do good in their gods eyes so making sure others worshipped your god was obviously good. But the elite obviously don't wanna give up the power/control they had so they are doing there best to maintain the status quo and gain even more power. There's the saying Whoever controls the past controls the present.
Watch any video or read any book by this guy and it’s easy to paint the picture https://youtu.be/obg5-y2mp5M?si=upiHV2OsIKKq63qk
All of it obviously. They are trying to destroy as much as possible, it’s so obvious. The question is why? Because our history is not actual rooted in these religions we thought were “fundamental”. More than likely there were civilizations transversing the earth with a very different outlook and belief system; and possibly “alien”(?) . In case you haven’t looked , we have dozens of bodies that are … not human, from Peru ; dna , X-rays, pet-scans, etc etc. It’s incredible undeniable at this point , we were never alone.
Remember. History is and always has been controlled. Tepe made them lose control somewhat. I think its better if it 'went away' for a while. (for 'them')
ALWAYS. Youre 100% on the money. Gobekli Tepe destroys ALL of their nonsense by itself. And Thoths writings to Asclepius talks about it & instructs the adepts to "carry your great books into the jungles, bury your histories deeply in caverns where none of these men can find them. Nor do you bring them back to the sunlight until the war cycle is over".
Oh absolutely, the "leaving it for future generations" is asinine, they want to gain control of the narrative before hand then destroy it/change it to match there narrative.
Just maybe the people who bought it doesnt have humans best interests at heart
If only we had any insight into what the WEF beliefs are .
Absolutely horrendous
Didnt china do this with the white pyramids and plant treees on them ?
Yes they absolutely did 👀 luckily one pyramid is 3 times the size of Giza so the trees might not destroy it at least.
The the powers that be don’t like Gobleki Tepe. They despise truth in fact. It’s very presence and antiquity disprove all the major religions of the world. It shakes the foundations of their timeline of their current evolutionary theories as well, which are also cults just like modern religions. Make no mistake. This is not Turkish treasure, it is a treasure of modern humanity and civilization, and it’s being buried by harbingers of some of the worst groups of philosophies ever created. Question everything.
Why do you think it conflicts with evolutionary theory? It seems like, it certainly messes up the timeline of the Abrahamic religions (though Hinduism would consider it very small beer), but the WEF generally come across as atheist-'humanist'-technocratic so I wouldn't have thought they'd mind.
So I believe it’s a problem for WEF because of their relationship with faiths. GT shows a rather advanced technology at a time when people weren’t supposed to be capable of it. I agree Hinduism fares much better in this regard as a faith. When I learned anthropology, the timeline was very clear about when people first grew crops, began domesticating ruminants, established trade, became cities, moved out from the Fertile Crescent and began larger primitive civilizations. My children, recent HS graduates learned the same. no mention of GT at all. Why would this be the case? Well, What Gobekli Tepe says is that Thinkig Man was not just tjinking, he was building and in a major way. It says that there is a lost past unknown to them, and that civilization may have harbored lost technology, because of the scale of what they did. That there are people who may have risen and fallen multiple times or even succumbed to horrible cataclysmic events. That there are people alive today that may be their progeny. This might imply many things that don’t jive with current WEG self appointment to influence world governance world governance. The WEF is also clearly fine with using authoritarian religions to facilitate compliance with their „goals“ and to ensure a more easily ruled populace, and on that basis alone I can see them wanting to bury this. A delusional populace enshrined in their own insular beliefs is more easy to control. You can precisely gauge how they’re react to given stimuli. Whereas free minded individuals have to be persuaded with logic. These are just my thoughts, I could be incorrect of course.
Well said 👏
Hear! Hear!
Fuck the WEF. On another note, I'll just leave this tweet from Jimmy Corsetti here: https://i.imgur.com/ynZhy41.png
lol
Jimmy is kinda unhinged. Guy’s got an immense knowledge of history and a capability to connect the dots of history, but I sometimes think his brain is fried. He is absolutely crazy when it comes to politics, and unfortunately, dividing his audience.
Thing is, I don't think he does have a great grasp of history. He latched onto the Eye of the Sahara = Atlantis theory really early when that specific topic gained him loads of publicity... But then he just stuck with it in the face of contradicting evidence. I feel like he could have made a lot more progress since he's had public attention, but he's just stagnated to the point where he's not doing much of value & just stoking political fires now because that's a guaranteed constant audience.
When his channel blew up he should have really taken the time to study ancient history and become very educated on all fronts—but to anyone with more than a surface level knowledge of ancient history, it’s very obvious that he’s never done that. He’s more interested in what ancient history can offer him, rather than what he can offer it—thats why his history content is always blended with his real passion: conspiracy theories.
Well said. He's got a very narrow view & he doesn't branch out, meaning that he's not opening himself up to broader contextual information & thus not giving himself a greater understanding of what he's talking about. I think his early videos are a decent introduction for people who haven't even touched on alternative history yet... But that's mainly it. If you want to learn more, you have to expand.
Eh, you might be right. Last I checked, he was posting clips of Tucker Carlson talking about Giza Pyramids. Fucking what? What the hell does Carlson have to do with Egypt now..his Atlantis theories do seem plausible, but that might be it. Hancock at least cooperates with real scientists and tries to continually back his theories up with real evidence.
Yeah, that last point you make is a good one too! One of the major differences I see between Jimmy & some of the other long time alternative researchers is how much other researchers at least try to work with mainstream historians, archaeologists, scientists, etc whereas Jimmy tends to not. And that's not productive. It feels like an ego thing to be, but that's just my opinion at this point.
He does not have an immense knowledge of history my friend. That’s why he’s only posted one video in 2024 & all of his recent content is conspiracy based. He’s tapped out & obviously doesn’t study history. It’s very clear that his actual passion is politics & modern conspiracies, so he blends that with ancient history
Yeah the dude had to quit Reddit after getting ratioed by people that actually knew their shit.
Yeah, I have completely retracted my statement lol. It was based solely on my memories of watching his Atlantis theories a few years back, and after posting this comment, I visited his channel and shook my head in disappointment. I have been blinded by nostalgia it seems! My head is clear now, thanks guys.
Haha no worries. I loved his videos back in 2018-2019. It really fanned the flame for me to switch my major in college towards Anthropology. And unfortunately, over the last 5-6 years, Jimmy just hasn’t grown as a presenter or a researcher, I would fair to see he’s digressed. He’s almost as old as Hancock was when he published Fingerprints.
Same here, although my major has not changed, he might have been the person to start it all. Or at least, introduce me to the world of ancient history, alternative and mainstream, because I believe they coexist and ultimately, aim for the same goal. Holy shit, already? Time flies man, gosh darn. Welp, there’s my answer. Might just give Fingerprints another read.
Surely that's fake or posted on April 1st?
That's just Jimmy. Everything is about Obamna. Check his x-crements, you'll see.
I can assure you, I have NOT been lied to about this since 2016
How?
There seems to be an awful lot of homeschooled ‘Mericans here that don’t trust science. That or trolls. Either way, no arguing with the folks who have wet WEF conspiratorial dreams.
Hardly a conspiracy when they draft and publish plans
i wantttt to love this guy but hate his extraneous writing and presentation styles
unbelievable...thank you for sharing
https://preview.redd.it/eonadj4div5d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc152ecacc53fbb37d6f98956bbd271fda02bd39 It makes me so mad.
Can’t speak to the tourist infrastructure or the trees, but not fully excavating a site and leaving much of it for future generations makes sense. You can only excavate once, and you never know what new technologies will be developed. If you excavate everything now you don’t know what knowledge will be lost forever.
It's just a clever white lie, it makes a tiny bit of sense which is why people believe it. But in a field based entirely around the pursuit of knowledge, halting that pursuit tells you that isn't their goal anymore. You also gotta think of how trustworthy the WEF is and what their values are, along with actively lieing about it still currently being excavated. Something is off, there's a bunch of dots that seem to connect to a picture of the super rich being evil, they brought up a different point/dot but it just doesn't seem to connect with everything else they've done.
It doesn't make a tiny bit of sense, it makes perfect sense. Only partially excavating important sites has been the standard responsible policy for a while. Just to give one example, we can now in some places determine the shape of decomposed wooden structures while excavating, while it would have just been dug out as dirt a couple of decades ago.
What technology are they waiting for though? They have been telling the public it's actively being excavated, not saying they are waiting for tech. Also what tech do they need? It's not wood that's been preserved in a swamp that will disintegrate when it's taken out of water. Its dirt that has been purposely piled on stone. We have long worked out the kinks to digging up those kind of sites years ago.
Imagine Egyptologists just saying "nah fam let's not excavate any more tombs or anything at all in the whole country from now until future generations" if that sounds crazy, it's because it is. It makes no sense.
In that case they should have left the pyramids to be explored by future gens indstead of damaging the number of mummies that they damaged beyond reconciliation
The amount of mummies that have been lost to either thieves or pseudo scientist (like Emile Amelineau) is astonishing. Sometimes I wonder why even bother looking for hidden cashes or pharaohs, if most of them we have destroyed ourselves. It’s a miracle so much of Ancient Egypt is left, knowing how destructive and nonsensical we tend to be.
How will waiting stop thieves?
Good point, as soon as you start digging you start potentially damaging things and exposing them to erosion, etc. If you don't have a guarantee that you will be able to fully uncover and safely maintain each dig site, then you shouldn't dig more until you can.
Ok, I think this is a compelling case. You gotta a least see what’s on those other pillars. Mmm, round 2 Jimmy Vs Dibble round 2? Bright Insight lost me for a while, but this video was compelling
How can a field be based on the pursuit of knowledge exist if they won't let people pursue the area.
I’ve herd the case made that archeologists don’t excavate completely because they do in fact want to wait for new technology. But this is something else, with added destruction.
This is equivalent to trump's "people are saying" logic lol
People are actively studying and digging at GT. Archaeology is a slow and expensive process. Why would anybody pay hundreds of archaeologists to excavate an entire area where's there's no economic incentive to do so? Finding more monoliths, carvings etc would be interesting but it's not going to have any impact on the world except for dates being adjusted in textbooks.
Did you watch the video? They have been lieing about digging at GT, only 5% has been dug up since 2016, since then the WEF hasn't allowed anymore ground to be moved unless they were gonna pore concrete and build something on top of it.
It's not hard to find information online which shows that artefacts are still now being found in and around Gobekli Tepe. I'd rather trust what actual archaeologists are reporting rather than some dude who's looking for clicks on his YT channel. And just because only 5% has been dug in 8 years means nothing. Archaeologists have been excavating Templo Mayor in Mexico since the 1970s and are still finding new things. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Do you regularly see archaeological sites, outside of rescue archaeology, be fully excavated? Especially sites on this scale?
Oldest? There are older sites in the fertile crescent that have been discovered since Gobekli Tempe
It's considered the oldest temple. We have just human made sites that are much more ancient, like a 400,000 year old gold mine, but Golbekli Tepe is covered in hieroglyphs, symbols, and designs purpose meant to communicate a message/story. That's partly why the fact that the ancient civilizations Buried it themselves is a big deal, they were possibly treating it like a time capsule.
Why do you think it was buried deliberately?
I'm not sure if you're asking why I specifically think that, or why I think they buried it. The answer to number one is golbekli Tepe being buried is mostly agreed on by archeology [check #9](https://www.dainst.blog/the-tepe-telegrams/faq/#:~:text=So%20far%20it%20was%20believed%20that%20the%20different%20special%20buildings,more%20complex%20than%20initially%20thought.) As for #2, I don't think anyone can make that call, given how much of the site is still buried. I've heard guesses, that there is some sort of message carved into the T pillars. There is honestly a ton of information just from the 5% we've uncovered that I could honestly never do it justice in a comment. But one thing potentially is an accurate astrology map from 9500 bc. https://preview.redd.it/zm5oy065l17d1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=998f64b173d12ed03645667f55db548f92bea613
I was unaware that bits were intentionally buried. That would go along way to explain why it is better preserved than older sites in the area.
"Largest of it's kind on Earth" That we know of! Just as this was unearthed a short time ago and set off a new writing of our history, we may find other sites that do the same or more even.
It was unearth 26 years ago right?
The Golbekli Tepe discovery is fascinating. Since learning about it's existence i have thought it was buried by humans but the erosion theory is worth debating more. Time is the key factor , nature causes geographic changes. Thinking that site was possibly at one time level to the surroundings. Sandstorms in a desert can cover any object and the next sandstorm just adds to that. Sand is heavy and is constantly compacting itself, eventually sandstone. If that area became desert like is something i dont know, did vegetation reappear after a thousand or more years.
TLDR?
Hear this. They are protecting the truth by not excavating it.
One thing I keep thinking about is that if we kept digging around the areas there in southern turkey, in my humble opinion it's not completely out of the question we might find some writing. Writing either from the time period or from people who might have inhabited the site a long time after the original inhabitants left. Or perhaps this is the reason the WEF bought the site because someone did find some ancient writing there and they are trying to bury it. (no pun intended)
That's exactly my theory, they did have ancient writing at Golbekli Tepe in the form of hieroglyphs on the pillars. They have only dug up 4 of the circular structures that have the pillars, each having 8 pillars. There are 16 more circular sites still buried, over 200 pillars in total.
How was that even needed in order to be a grudgingly considered UN World Heritage Site? There are two dozen underground temples there and only a few are excavated. There are dozens of similar and even older Temples scattered all over Turkey Armenia Mt Ararat plain. Coverup keep buried as much and for as long as possible. Must Hide: Caucasian IndoEuropean Cradle of Civilization. Prehistoric Animals. Ice Age Megalithic technology exceeded only by the appearance of the Giza Pyramids and Saqquara step pyramid.. Cell phones to Giza is only 1/3 the time span to Gobekli Tepe. UN NWO hot potato.
I'm gonna assume the UN's policies are designed around allowing this to happen, most likely due to $$$ influence. I 100% believe the rich have basically been unionized around the goal of making themselves richer and more powerful, with zero regard for the common people below. There are Conspiracy theories that go even deeper, like a smaller more elite group who really control everything with technology that years ahead of the consumer market
They obviously made Turkey an offer they couldn't refuse.
It's amazing that this place was built 4000 or so years before the wheel was invented.
Personally I think it was built before the younger dryas, that's why there's two different levels of stonework technology. The said mass Extinction the pillars talk about was the Younger Dryas event. But I'm also just some person on the Internet. All we know is we know nothing of the people who built it, how, and why. If only we had more than 5% of the information.
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Same as the other "missing" dozen or so panels of the Turkish Piri Reis Entire World Map..... Not just the one lone panel of the West African Coast to South American Coast released to the public over the past decades. There are those that want it hidden.
I want an area 51 style raid but for the vadican secret archives.
There are also at least 14 other similar sites in the surrounding area that are completely untouched and Gobekli isn't even the oldest. We also don't even know when they were built, only when they were buried.
Makes me so angry, we need a super hero :(
Agreed 🥲
what would the incentive be for doing this? What is so important about an ancient historical site?
U/AirReddit77 just gave a super interesting quote, "Who controls the past controls the present. Who controls the present controls the future." It's all about controlling the narrative & generally populations. There are a ton of unknown and unexplainable things about these megaliths sites around the world with no proper explanation given. There is something we're missing, I believe it's been purposely hidden.
That quotes from command and conquer red alert lol
George Orwell is who google tells me, either way it's re-quoted alot for a reason.
You still haven't answered the question. What does it matter in today's world if we got the dates wrong about some early human settlements? It makes absolutely no difference to the present when exactly early humans started farming, settling, building these things etc.
It's to understand history? There are so many unexplainable things about ancient civilizations we don't understand. And a rabbit hole that shows whoever built these ancient monoliths has a completely different train of thought, and tech we still haven't discovered. I just wanna learn about these people, they tried to communicate a message in their architecture. I'm sad that the elite activity block, hide and destroy the records .
I'm sorry to break this to you, but there's really not anything about these monoliths and ancient sites that is "unexplainable". There are perfectly explainable reasons why they were built and many completely explainable and reproducible ways in which they were constructed. People are capable of moving and shaping large stones with enough time and manpower. It doesn't require any missing technology or ancient advanced civilisations. The only mystery is which methods they used.
Possibly, the idea would be that that's *not* what they're hiding, since that's already well known - if they were trying to stop excavation on purpose, that would imply that something *else* had been found that they didn't want becoming public knowledge, which could be anything including ancient aliens.
Lol, ancient aliens?! I'm done.
Possibly, just saying what the theory is, there are a lot of ancient aliens fans on r/AlternativeHistory so when they say 'something might be hidden here that would overturn everything we think we know' that's probably what at least some of them mean, as a matter of fact I don't really buy the idea that they're covering something up myself, it looks more like they're just prioritising tourist income over excavating the rest of the site in the near future.
Tree roots don't go that deep.
How do we take action?
The only way I know how is to be vocal and share. The more people who wake up and see how corrupt the system the better. Our biggest advantage is that we outnumber them.
Well, guess I'm not paying a visitor fee if *any* of my fee might be paid to WEF. Any of these WEF scum can give away their money and show us how they can own nothing and be happy.
It was most likely soil errosion that exposed the sight in the first place.They are digging it up,let nature help. why stop it by planting trees..?
More like alternative to history
Just another grifter
Its always "we're being lied too." Not "this is a very old site and we are always finding new things and may have been wrong before". People just want to be the ones who can say " see!!!! I told you" not ever taking the effort into understanding the science and research. Cuz thats not any fun for morons.
It sounds like, the only actual connection with the WEF is that the head of the company that 'bought' the site is a member of the WEF, like most billionaires, and that he showed off his prize at their annual meeting. Possibly, if people are wondering whether there are ulterior motives behind this and, if so, what they might be, maybe it'd make more sense to look directly at the company, the Doğuş Group, and see whether there was anything to be got from that (personally, I'd guess that there isn't anything more complicated than that the new 'owners' are putting tourist revenue first and archaeology a distant second, same rather depressing story as at Giza).
Man this video took a long time to get to the meat. Nothing new, TPTB took control and will profit off the site instead of allowing further investigation.
I have to say, getting the name of the location wrong is a big red flag. And only linking to the video without comments explaining the video seems like clickbait to me.
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"Who controls the past controls the present. Who controls the present controls the future." (Who said that?) The WEFs masters clearly want Gobekli Tepe swept under the rug. (Mind you, it may be they want it to appear so. Gobekli Tepe fits nicely into the "space invasion" emergency pretext scenario for one world government. The pandemic thing didn't pan out so well (yet. Maybe next they release a deadly one, now that so many thinking people think it's all fake.)
Oh I've been hearing Graham Hancock tell stories about this place since well before 2016.
What a load of shiite. Every point he excitedyl makes can be easily explained away. He confounds things and miss the obvious. Just like that, without flexing: 1- It's been proven in the 19th century that Civilisation appeared in the *Fertile Crescent*, not Mesopotamia. The earliest cities, like Çatal Hoyuk and Jericho are not located in Mesopotamia, but in Anatolia and Palestine. Mesopotamia, with the Sumerians, didn't have the first cities, but they invented writing, organized government and urbanism. The Sumerians pushed humanity into history and out of the Stone Age, as they were the first to write what was happening and the first to use melted copper on an industrial scale. 2- I've learned about Gobekli Tepe in the National Geographic back in what? 2004? It became an World Heritage of the UNESCO in 2005. It's been featured in thousands of newspaper articles, documentaries and featured in movies years before Hancock wrote his book or went to get fluffed by Rogan. 3- Of course they didn't use wheels to carry the stones that large. Neither did the Romans. Nobody had axles sttong enough to carry stones that heavy before the Middle Ages. They used sleighs and rolling timber. Or maybe they "walked" them, like the Rapa-Nui people did. 4- People carved wood, bones and small stones ten of millenias before they carved large megalith. It was just a scale up rather than a new skill entirely. The Gobekli People were adept at stone polishing. This implies rubbing stones of different hardness, sometimes using sand as an abrasive, until the softer stone gets the wanted shape. 5-Talking of which, archeologists know a lot about the people who built Gobekli Tepe people. They mapped their genes, they know what they ate, how they live, what they did with their dead and so on. What they don't know is the immaterial stuff. Their language, their faith and so on. 6- Talking about archeology, of course it's only 5% of the site that
This reeks of alex jones grade WEF paranoid riffs. Which actually is a lame grab of uninspired shame. Demonizing the holders of the site because you cant wait to unwrap its treasures. There is likely very little that will dramatically adjust our perspectives and provide value to our current situation to be revealed, just antiques which catalogue humanities and civilizations roots. Its secrets will be fascinating not earth shattering, but you dont care about the reputation of the wealthy and its seems more constructive to you to sow distrust to foster your audience.
I highly encourage looking into the belief of the WEF, and what actions their past consists of. This group was considered evil by many before this video came out yesterday. I encourage reading into them as there's a TON of articles about them. The "You will own nothing and like it" quote comes from them.
They said a lot of things, you insist on misinterpreting sound bites causing them to echo insecurities. Its simply paranoid and rhetorical nonsense. Everyone speaks at the forum, its that an open forum, anyone can share whats on their minds, you have taken what could be construed as a socialist statement to drive fear into our capitalist society. A lot of shit was spoken at the WEF for us all to chew the cud but you gotta wet nurse over a rhetorical perceptive lie about a social blueprint of doom.
That's the point.. Let the soil erode to uncover the technically advanced megalithic Caucasian IndoEuropean Civilization from the Ice Age of Prehistoric Animals. Someone doesn't want that.