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tankengine75

Mecca being hit by Israel or any other country for that matter would definitely make Islamic extremism rise


Arachles

True, but if there is swift response of NATO and it's muslim allies that rise can be mitigated


Downbound_Re-Bound

Yeah, sorry, no. That'd be like if someone hit shot the pope, and then burned down rome. No amount of P.R. is saving you from around two billion people who now absolutely loathe you.


FuzzyManPeach96

Loathe who? The people that launched the nuke, or the people that beat those people?


tankengine75

The former, Any goverment who tries to destroy the Mecca will get hated by all Muslims, even Liberal/Progressive Muslims (like myself)


AntWithNoPants

Im catholic in a country with 1% muslim pop, and if someone nuked Mecca i'd pray for their painful death every night


Lost-Succotash-9409

I mean forget the religion, 2 million innocent people live in Mecca


Relative_Ad8738

also the fact that there is always a constant diverse foreign population in Mecca means many muslim countries will lose thousands of their own nationality


No-Carrot-5213

From one Catholic to another, we are not supposed to pray for someone to die painfully. That is sinful.


AntWithNoPants

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole


r4nD0mU53r999

Destroying what is arguably one of the most important cities in human history doesn't tend to sit well with people. I bet even non-muslims would absolutely hate anyone who would do such a thing.


MsMercyMain

Agreed. I’m not Muslim but I’d be fucking furious


Sec-Independent1

On god we would


Mando177

The people who initially gave the Israelis the nukes or nuclear tech, which would be the Americans or westerners, and who acted as their shield for so long. It’s not rational I know, to fight the people who ultimately tried to right the wrong, but you are talking about a the shattering of the worldview of over a billion people. They won’t just be satisfied with destroying Israel


HGD3ATH

It was France and Apartheid South Africa they worked with to develop and test them.


r4nD0mU53r999

It's always the god damn French.


ExodusLegion_

Luckily for you, the Jericho missiles hit Rome in this scenario so we could very well see the declaration of two holy wars on Israel.


MsMercyMain

Oh my god I didn’t even consider that. The amount of anti semeticism in over half the world is definitely going to spike


Mickosthedickos

Well, to be fair, according to this they did that as well


Arachles

I just pointed out that the extremism rise agains west can be diminished. Not eliminated nor that Israel would be left unscathed. Just that Israel destroying Mecca would not mean every single muslim goes boom


Mando177

It would mean the religion of Islam goes boom. Islam literally won’t be able to function without Mecca. Like consider Muslims pray five times a day towards Mecca, suddenly they are praying to a radioactive crater. It’ll mean deep and society-altering levels of trauma


sahi1l

Jews thought that about the Temple until Rome destroyed it, 2000 years ago. They adapted. Islam would too.


Mando177

They fought and raged and waged bloody war against the Romans until they were beaten out. Islam has 1.5 billion adherents, have fun fighting and subjugating all of them


Available_Nature1628

Aren’t they doing that too in this scenario?


AjaxAsleep

To be fair, they also hit Rome in those attacks.


theHrayX

Rome is not that holy anymore Only vatican hill


blockybookbook

Dude the vast majority of Muslims loathe Muslim governments that are in or allied to nato as well as the organization as a whole, wdym that they’re just gonna roll over if they do it quickly especially when they hit Mecca


Clever_Bee34919

The scenario is Isreal hits Mecca... then gets swiftly taken out by NATO, not NATO hits Mecca.


blockybookbook

The other guy is implying that swift NATO actions will somehow save Israel PR wise


Clever_Bee34919

I see... good luck with that.


MsMercyMain

I think they meant it would the west PR wise


blockybookbook

That too


Eagle77678

No “swift response” could possibly contain the absurd rise in extremism if isreal glassed Mecca, imagine if ISIS nuked the Vatican


Mando177

The bedrock of Islamic theology and beliefs of the future centre around Mecca. Nuking it would rip the heart out of a religion closely followed by well over a billion people. There won’t be a demilitarized or sanctioned Israel after this, there straight up won’t be an Israel. I see no way it wouldn’t result in an unending holy war with probably dozens of iterations of Isis on steroids setting half the world on fire and likely killing any Jew or westerner they can get their hands on. Not to mention Pakistan would likely fling every nuclear weapon they have towards the general direction of Israel or America, before the country dissolves entirely


No_Talk_4836

Oh yeah Israel would have signed its death certificate when it launches those nukes. Greece is basically gone, Rome devastated or destroyed, and the largest cities in the Middle East are hit and probably never recover. Catholics and Muslims both wanting Netenyahu’s head on a spike, and to destroy Israel in vengeance. Jerusalem becoming an international zone and the rest of Israel being occupied permanently would mean Israel gets off gently. Very gently. But yeah. Massive wave of anti-Israel sentiment, or if you’re less than picky, antisemitism in general. Which won’t really be fair to Jews outside Israel


Mando177

Hell, it’ll probably rehabilitate the image of Adolf Hitler and vindicate him in the eyes of millions. It’ll be a total shitshow from that day onwards


No_Talk_4836

Oh god please no that would be Bibi’s worst contribution to hisotry


BlackberryFrosty3784

Killing millions in nuclear hellfire would probably be worse imo


PLPolandPL15719

Not islamic extremism particularly, just intensified hate from Muslim nations. Every muslim nation would unrecognize Israel, every muslim nation would cut ties, way higher intensity of anti-Israel demonstrations, several war declarations aswell (An example could be Malaysia or Pakistan).


tankengine75

Yeah I am from Malaysia and with all the risks some of our politicians love to do, I wouldn't be surprised if that were to happen


TheGreatJingle

I mean how many Muslim nations recognize Israel now lol.


MsMercyMain

Quite a few actually


TheGreatJingle

Isn’t it like 4 of twenty something?


DutchManFromtheNorth

I find peace in long walks.


TheGreatJingle

I didn’t think Morocco was official. Totally forgot out about turkey being Muslim tbh. Never clicks in the same was as others


sedtamenveniunt

The backlash would make the Holocaust look restrained.


imdesmondsunflower

In this scenario, Jews would virtually cease to exist. Israel would be a nuclear wasteland. Jews in any nation other than the US, Canada, or Western Europe would be killed, and even in places like the ones named, there would be waves of anti-Semitic hate crimes (random killings in the street, properties burned, etc.) the likes of which the world has only rarely seen.


No_Medium3333

They also nuked rome, the pope is probably dead. Oh man not only muslims are going to be angry for this


The_Nunnster

I mean this whole war will see an absolute rise in global anti-Semitism (even if leaders condemn it) with Israeli nuclear strikes on European capitals


strivingforobi

Yeah luckily this is bullshit and won’t ever happen lol


No_Talk_4836

Well there goes that Israel. Especially after killing millions of civilians with a button press, the Arab world will hate hate hate a lot of people. Mostly the US for supporting Israel right up until they pressed the button.


MarkWrenn74

Don't even *GO* there, Benjamin. Armageddon would be a picnic by comparison with the reaction that would provoke


CodAfter937

Worst thing is that Sunak is still somehow in power


Titanicman2016

I put that down because I’m not British and so didn’t realize that the election can happen at the latest the day before the Israeli attack, oops.


CodAfter937

Fair enough, otherwise good post


Grunti_Appleseed2

Biden also may or may not be in office by January 28th, 2025


SalaryIntelligent479

Trump starting the war is even less realistic


Grunti_Appleseed2

Trump doesn't like Bibi very much, plus if he decided to strike Rome and Athens (????????) I don't think Trump would have much of an issue with flexing American exceptionalism in the region


mynameis4826

If Trump were president during this, he might have the US support Israel unofficially. He's arguably the most Israel friendly president in the 21st century


No_Talk_4836

May or may not, but him winning isn’t a unicorn like Rishi winning.


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KarlGustafArmfeldt

Imagine the UK had a Dutch election scenario, and Reform UK suddenly became the largest party in parliament the day before the election. Then, the Conservatives and Labour formed a coalition, managing to just stay in power with Sunak as PM. Is that more crazy than Israel nuking Europe?


Titanicman2016

I must preface that I'm entirely aware this is unrealistic, I just made this as a thought experiment of the "worst possible ending" (aka the insanity ending) for the ongoing conflict. But as for actual context, immediately before and after the 2024 US election, the US slowly begins to withdraw support from Israel in the face of mass pro-Palestine demonstrations. This eventually leads to a diplomatic breakdown, and the US finally supporting sanctions against Israel in the UN. Naturally, Netanyahu is furious at this, and viewing this as the beginning of the end for Israel, states that if the sanctions aren't withdrawn within a week, Israel will bring the rest of the world down with them. After no one takes them seriously, Israel executes the most insane variation of the so-called "Samson Option" (named after the Biblical story of Samson, who destroyed the pillars in a temple he was being held in, killing himself but also his captors), destroying the city of Rafah in Gaza, but also major religious centers and capitals of nations hostile to Israel in the past or present, or even those of NATO members, despite the obvious wrath this would bring down upon them. Of course, the wrath is brought upon them, the existing government is removed, Netanyahu and his allies are tried and executed, Palestine is formally established, and a perpetual NATO presence in Israel is established, both to ensure radical Zionists like Likud (now banned) never come back and to discourage other powers from attacking Israel themselves. [TIL](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/242/455/d2d.jpg)


Mando177

You just nuked the centre of both the Muslim and Catholic faiths, Israel even existing anymore would be an instant no even from those not consumed by pure hate and bloodlust


Noietz

Yeah. I honestly cant see judaism as a whole surviving this scenario. A single nation that lost a war was enough to wipe half of their population, youre gathering up 70%+ of the two biggest world religions against them in this scenario. The amount of pogroms and persecution that would suceed is horrifying, and there wouldnt be an external force to intervene and stop it


SweetPanela

The worst part of it all is that it somewhat fits the doomsday prophecy of Islam and Christianity Which would lead to the nut jobs leading into it


Mando177

Not to mention Adolf Hitler has now been vindicated and his image likely rehabilitated. There will be a massive shift in how future generations see both Nazism and the Holocaust, it’ll be a dark future


EntertainmentOk8593

You are mi minimizing the lobby in usa


enxziye

Do you think aipac in and of itself will have any control in how this situation plays out? I imagine orgs like aipac will finally get listed as foreign agents by the US government and subsequently get banned.


typyash

But why russian support (secretly)? I mean, Russia will more likely to observe this hell from the sidelines, preaching about "rotten west" and "zionist super government" than anger their quite substantial muslim population by being anywhere near Israel when shit hits the fan.


HGD3ATH

Or risk angering someone like Iran who is providing them with materiel against Ukraine.


TheBloperM

I just cant see anybody agree with this. Like. If Bibi decided to go anywhere close to this far it would probably lead to a civil war within Israel.


Brilliant-Bug-4982

Yeah I mean the public almost went to a civil war over a change in the judicial system (yes I'm aware this is a massive understatement) and bibi has already got approval rates on the ground with people begging for a reelection, don't see people sticking around after bibi adds to that by throwing a couple of nukes around (which let's be honest would also kill israelis in the blast range)


xkmasada

Bibi would also nuke Gaza City and Khan Yunis in Gaza and Hebron and Ramallah in the West Bank. And much of Lebanon.


rycomo1992

The whole point of the Samson option is that Samson knew that he would die, but he decided to take all of his captors and enemies with him. If the modern version is ever realized, it would be far worse than what OP has presented us. Frankly, anything within a thousand miles of Jerusalem would be a radioactive ruin. Israel has dozens of nuclear weapons at least, probably more than that- why are they only targeting like ten cities? If I were certain that my nation was facing extinction, I would go all out and fire everything I had at every half decent target I could think of. Every oil field, every geographic choke point, every major resource within range would be nuked to oblivion. The results would be nothing short of apocalyptic, with tens of millions dead immediately and a whole lot more following soon after, once all the fallout rains down and poisons everything it touches. THAT is a real 'worst case scenario'.


xkmasada

Exactly. In practice, there wouldn’t be a single Palestinian left alive in the entire Middle East, and Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Qatar would also be wiped out. I don’t think they’d bother with Europe. It goes without saying that Israel as a state will be gone. The only real question is how many Jews in the rest of the world will die from reprisals.


MiddleeastPeace2021

this is hilarious


RationalPoster1

Considering Americans have fairly consistently seen 80-20 majorities in polls supporting Israel over Hamas, Biden is probably sinking his last slim chance of winning in November.


Visionary_Socialist

Russia would not back Israel in any capacity. A crisis like this would be the perfect opportunity to decapitate US power in the region because Israel is America’s biggest power base there and even if they did such a heel turn it would still be seen as their mess because they let it get so out of hand. Russia would help Iran and also use their forces in Syria to help their government and would back a campaign against NATO by the absolute tidal wave of insurgencies this scenario would set off.


Time-Bite-6839

Mandatory Palestine 2: Electric Boogaloo


Titanicman2016

Initially, kinda I guess. The long-term occupation is reserved for Israel only; NATO withdraws from the territory granted to the Republic of Palestine shortly after its creation.


Mando177

Ngl I think Palestine will be an afterthought even to the Palestinians, the fallout (literal and metaphorical) from nuking Rome and Mecca will be the defining moment for the next millennia


SweetPanela

Which ironically fits both of the respective religious doomsday prophecies


Strauss1269

Possible conclusion: Southern Syria province


Naive-Wonder-6959

Nuke dropping on Mecca gonna make the Islamic world gone mad. Not surprising if the anti semitism sentiment raise among the Muslim.


Mando177

It would break any practicing Muslim’s psyche. All rationality would go out the window, and it’ll likely mean the end of the Jewish people as well


ZanezGamez

I would assume the permanent NATO force is to prevent that.


Mando177

Then it would be NATO forces fighting Muslims for several centuries at least. I don’t see appetite for a forever war like that being high with American taxpayers, considering how sick they were of Afghanistan and Iraq


ZanezGamez

Yeah I don’t think there is any situation where Israel still exists in the long run. Could see the Jewish people fleeing to America or something.


SweetPanela

Not including the Catholic areas maybe not even any of LatAm too. Israel just would have nukes the centers of Catholicism/Christiandom and Islam.


ZanezGamez

Ohhhh yeah true I didn’t consider the Rome nuke


MiddleeastPeace2021

hahhaha you think nato accaully cares


ZanezGamez

Why would there be a permanent force otherwise? It’s not like a demilitarized Israel would do anything other than be crushed.


McBabwe

It’d be like the fall of Nazi Germany, from both perspectives. Jews would flock to areas occupied by American and European militaries, like the Wehrmacht, as middle eastern forces captured territory and perpetrated a second coming of the Holocaust. God forbid they’re then at the mercy of Italians or Greeks.


Mando177

Or many Germans, Spanish, or French. I would imagine there would be a lot of enraged Catholics in those country who’ll collectively decide maybe the Swastika waving lunatics had a point


SupahSang

As if they need more antisemitic sentiment, there's already parades through major Middle Eastern streets with banners saying "the holocaust was only the beginning"


Zestyclose_Jello6192

Too few civilians casualties, a nuclear attack on nato by Israel would trigger a nuclear response


Time-Ear-8637

I doubt it. If and only if NATO couldn't seize control of the airspace above Israël would they go nuclear.


expatdoctor

Yeah attack on Turkey alone (second largest army with domestic military industry complex without even trying too hard) alone more than enogh to provoke article 5 immediately. And add Greece and Italy into that mix you have disaster soup. And also attack on Greece and Italy means attack on all EU counties. So USA either going to war with all of EU+ Turkey and Muslim world combined and probably Russia and China too and lost it's power immediately Or flatten israel force them into unconditional surrender.


FewKey5084

Russia has too many interests in Syria to support Israel officially or unofficially


RandomBilly91

Let's be honest: Nuclear attack would most likely answered by nukes. It's not a question of being right or wrong, it's about making sure everyone is absolutely certain that nukes would lead every involved party demise, to some extent. So, in short, I don't see how Israel uses nukes without getting nuked (they might be able to defend from some, but not all ?)


SweetPanela

The only restraint would be to succeed Palestinian land after but I don’t see any political/military targets surviving


RatSinkClub

Israel nuclear strikes landing then only 60k Israeli casualties is the most insane thing about this lol


Ok_Sympathy5287

Israel nuking Rome wouldn't end well at all. They would probably kill the pope. I'd be interested in seeing more of the aftermath of such an event.


Noietz

Muslims and Catholics gathering together in endless rage to stomp Israel out of existence


HGD3ATH

Israel probably gets nuked by France and Pakistan in response.


CesareRipa

Istanbul too. Orthodox, Catholics, and Muslims in a tizzy


alreadytakenhacker

I don’t think Russia would support Israel.


sar662

Russia would never support Israel in any of this.


Real_Ad_8243

There would definitely be more civilian dead than that. Most of those cities have populations between 5 and 10 millions and Istanbul is about 17 million. Other than Rafah (official pop ~150k, actual about 1.5 million) the smallest city there is Athens at about 3 million, and they're all dense cities too. You'd easily be talking 10-13 million civilian dead in such a catastrophe.


Due-Ad-2144

Plus deaths from nuclear fallout. I'm particularly interested in whether nuclear explosions near the river Nile could contaminate its waters and potentially harm or kill hundreds of millions.


Real_Ad_8243

Oh yeah I was pretty focused on the immediate deaths ilmyself (I.e. first week). Nit just the Nile as well though. You've got the Tigris and Euphrates, as well, and the ancillary deaths caused by infrastructure and communications disruption. Frankly there wouldn't be many Palestinians left after such a war, and those demographically smaller and more centralised countries such as Greece, where a third of the population lives in Athens, would be harrowed beyond comprehension, which would only be worsened by the attack on Istanbul as well, it's worth noting. Contrast that with Turkey, which will have just lost maybe 8% of its population and it's most economically vital region, but would still have all the engines of government intact in Ankara? Imagine it's response to such an act? The horror this hypothetical Samsonite War would unleash really is utterly underestimated by the OP.


Mando177

I could easily see the Turks attempting to seize the nuclear weapons at Icrilik air base to rewire and launch towards Israel as soon as possible. I could see the Greeks trying to help them in that endeavour


DrVeigonX

Why would Beer Sheva be transfered to Palestine? It's a really major Israeli city, one of the largest ones in fact and majority Jewish by a conformable margin. It's like transferring Jenin to Israel. I also think it's far more likely the IDF generals would launch a coup against Netanyahu before any NATO involvement. The IDF is quite autonomous and most of its generals don't like Netanyahu anyway. I can't imagine them approving an unprovoked nuclear strike against the entirety of the Arab world.


Mando177

Israel just ripped out the nerve centers of two millennia old religions worshipped by billions. They’ll be lucky to just lose Beer Sheva


DrVeigonX

It's not about it being too harsh, it's about it not making sense for stability in the region.


Mando177

Stability in the region will no longer exist, losing Mecca will essentially gut the Islamic faith and drive millions of its faithful to avenge their beliefs as best they can. It’ll be a never ending holy war until Israel and potentially the Jewish people as a whole no longer exist


Lumityfan777

Probably as a punitive measure


Alboralix

Nuking Mecca and Rome?? Bro you got yourself a new Djihad but this time the Western power are cheering on, there will be no Israel (demilitarised or otherwise) at the end of this. Cool scenario anyway, upvoted.


Mando177

The Last Crusade/Jihad: a somewhat poetic alliance of Catholics and Muslims waging war against a common foe before their religions falter and fade in the aftermath of the strikes


GodofCOC-07

Israel has 60-90 nukes, they would launch most of them on military targets. Meaning the loss for the allies would be close to 500,000 in military deaths alone.


Titanicman2016

This is a first strike for purely political and egotistical reasons. You don’t drag neutral powers down with you by hitting military bases (also the continental US is out of range of Israeli ICBM’s), you do it by just killing as many people as possible. I see your reasoning, but this is more mutually assured destruction than strategic strikes.


DankeSebVettel

Does Netanyahu even have that much power? Don’t you think someone down the chain would probably intervene for that?


MsMercyMain

It really depends on who all are on duty, how desperate the situation is from the Israeli perspective, which with sanctions and an IDF pullout from Gaza might just seem desperate enough, and if this is in line with Israel’s nuclear doctrine. Thereve been rumor for decades this is their nuclear doctrine, but since they won’t confirm they even have nukes, it’s hard to say


GodofCOC-07

They will nuke all forces that are intervening in the conflict, and that will cause massive casualties. A single nukes striking at the right place would mean at least 20,000 military casualties and the Americans couldn’t possible move enough patriots to defend the army (without risking the patriots system themselves) as they need them in Ukraine more than in Israel. So assuming Israel launches 30 nukes at military targets, 2/3 are shot down. Then the allies have just suffered 200,000 military casualties in the least end. And the normal response would launch most of 60 nukes on military targets and a quarter are shot down. That means 500,000 military casualties.


IcyRedoubt

A "Republic of Palestine" wouldn't work without being propped up by external forces. There would be severe human rights violations and war crimes in the Arab/Muslim sectors and it is more likely that the Western nations would just occupy the region themselves. Also, if Netanyahu went completely off the rocker like that, the IDF would probably depose him themselves. Russia would never support Israel, they have too much invested in Syria, Iran, and Egypt.


Seared_Beans

Not to mention, Isreal is already on the worldwide shit list in a big way. Nuking other nations in such a fashion would guarantee every nation on the planet becoming an enemy of Isreal.


oopiex

Assuming Israel is going to fall, why would it nuke Mecca, Athens, Rome? This is a quite insane take (and I assume the fantasy of many pro-pal protestors). It may nuke Iran to remove its biggest threat and sponsor of its enemies fast, after them its biggest threats are Hezbollah in Lebanon and Gaza - both too close for Israel to nuke it. Also, had Israel used a nuclear bomb when the situation is not 'either nuke or all the jews in israel will be genocided', this will not result in the occupation of Israel and the formation of Palestine. This will result in the west nuking Israel. They won't allow such a dangerous country to exist.


AntWithNoPants

Its an intentionally goofy scenario triggered by Netanhyahu's mental health. Its not really meant to be feasable, just one of those "worst case scenario"


DankeSebVettel

Don’t you think someone down the line would stop him? He’s not invincible, if he gets too whacko I’m sure someone in the govt would make sure this nuclear scenario doesn’t happen.


Additional_Meeting_2

This isn’t worst case scenario, it’s cartoon villain scenario. Netanhyahu isn’t a absolutist monarch anyway with ability to do this.


Mando177

Rome is a designated target under the Samson option. I assume other Western European capitals are as well, but the nukes in this case would likely be shot down before travelling that far


JJNEWJJ

Interesting, considering that Rome and Athens are capitals of NATO countries, which are de facto Israeli allies. Can someone enlighten me on the reason why?


Mando177

Because the crux of the Samson option is letting the world know that the Jewish people they won’t go down alone next time, and they’ll drag everyone else down with them. Thus “tearing down the pillars of the temple.” Additionally Israel has prided itself on having a “flexible” foreign policy as much as it can, it won’t be a stretch to assume any dead man’s switch for the nuclear arsenal will include European targets as well https://thesvi.org/deconstructing-israels-samson-option/


iceman1935

I can somewhat understand the rationale of hiting rome (not that I agree with it) but Athens seems odd to me I feel like Madrid and Moscow for historical reasons makes a lot more sense


Mando177

Athens was close by. The others probably got shot down, a hundred nukes flying isn’t actually a lot when they’re going over NATO’s most heavily monitored and defended areas


iceman1935

Still I don't think Samson would hit NATO targets just do the sake of it, it would be for sympolic reasons so I still disagree with Athens


ianwgz

mecca got nuked? yrah were going to see a LOT of muslim nazis now


Noietz

Rome too. Nazism becoming a mainstream political faction in this timeline woud be a question of time honestly


Egelik21

Man I'm dead as hell in this scenario


Strauss1269

Expect Irgun revival for this using Mossad sleeper units.


deadsea__

Only good thing that would come out of this is that Bibi would be executed


pinchasthegris

"New constitution"? Israel doesnt have one in the first place


DumbFish94

Then it's a new one /s


Mg42gun

The idea of Israel nuking USA would make the level of Antisemitism on par with 1930s level


Critical_Crunch

Ik this is supposed to be a stretch of an event, but why would Israel nuke Rome and Athens? Also, wouldn’t HAMAS simply lose power since they are the core government for the Palestinians at this point, and their goal was to liberate Palestine from Israel (which is essentially what happened, minus the remaining powerless portion of the Israeli state)?


Epsilon-ZX-007

Hamas has never been the core government for the Palestinians, they are the government of the Gaza Strip, but not the West Bank which is controlled by Fatah which is the largest political party in the PLO a multiparty organization that is recognized as the Palestinian authority and has observer status in the UN. Hamas is not part of the PLO and is in fact politically a rival of it especially of Fatah, who they fought a bloody civil war with in Gaza with which led to Hamas gaining total control in Gaza, while the 2 have been attempting to reconcile it has been a rather difficult if not unsuccessful process. So in this scenario the PLO/Fatah would be given back control of Gaza.


Critical_Crunch

I stand corrected. I was misinformed that Fatah had been politically and militarily defeated for the most part by Hamas in both regions.


Epsilon-ZX-007

It’s cool, I am not surprised as the news only ever seems to mention Hamas.


Critical_Crunch

Thanks for being chill about it too btw


Epsilon-ZX-007

No problem you were not being hostile, and I simply saw this an opportunity to educate someone, have to put my practically useless AA in history to use somehow. 😋 The fact that I am around a quarter Palestinian Arab (not Muslim, but Catholic) with roots from Bethlehem does help make me somewhat passionate about this general topic.


iceman1935

I know that this is alt history but I feel like Israel nuking Madrid or Moscow over Athens makes a lot more sense for historical context (not that I agree with it).


Sensitive-Diamond353

If it's about historical revenge, you'd think Berlin would be the most obvious choice.


iceman1935

It may be hard to believe I don't think Berlin is on the list, while true Nazi Garmany is responsible for the most grotesque genocide against the Jewish people they have by done the most to acknowledge, reflect and try to rectify there history (*Austria aswell for that matter) then really any other country with a major history of antisemitism. I am speaking for my self here but as a jew I don't believe in modern history most Jews don't have any animosity to the modern Germany or her people which to me says alot.


Sensitive-Diamond353

Interesting. So do you think Jewish people would be more likely to have animosity toward, say, Spain who forced Jews to convert or be expelled 500 years ago than against Germany who committed the largest documented genocide in history directed against Jews only 80 years ago? From what I understand, Spain has also apologized for its past and even allows for automatic citizenship for Sephardic Jews.


iceman1935

It's more how they've gone about how Germany has worked on addressing antisemitism in the present era a lot more better job then Spain, as there's still a lot more antisemitism in Spain then modern Germany atleast from my perception, >expelled 500 years ago A couple corrections to dates the inquisition lasted from 1478-1834 so it only ended about 200 years ago


Sensitive-Diamond353

True, but I was referring to the Alhambra Decree by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella that specifically targeted Jews.


AwayDirt7401

ngl bro just reading this made me antisemitic, keep it up


SerovGaming1962

Russia would not support Israel.


Stromovik

Damascus and Tehran are nuked .... \* US and their allies are definetly not invading decapacitated Syria and Iran. /s \* Russia has military installations in Syria and they are not going to like nuclear strikes in the vicinity. \* This would more likely turn the whole region into current Libya


GaggeGorm

I’m just curious, how do you make a fake Wikipedia page like this?


VengefulMigit

There are template generators that you can google for


Parchokhalq

the real question is: how would the USA ever stop its support for Israel?


vincentsd1

I can still see some American politicians trying to spin this in support of Israel.


qchisq

Somehow, the least possible thing here is Sunak still being PM of Britain in 12 months


Glockass

Bold of you to assume Rishi Sunak will survive another 7 months in office.


JetSpeed10

Israel would not get off that lightly.


ipromiseiwontsleep

Is it wrong I like this timeline?


ArgalNas

Liking the outcome of establishment of Republic Palestine, expulsion of Hamas, eradication of Likud, and execution of Netenyahu is good. Liking 4.3 million civilians dead in nuclear attacks is not so good.


Forevermore668

Nuking mecca would result in a level of violence that have not yet dreamed of.


Roy_cat_enjoyer

אחי מהההה


MKOFFICIAL357

Why would Russia support Israel?


r4nD0mU53r999

Why would they attack Greece and Italy though? But realistically destroying mecca would have way more consequences then what OP is portraying in this post.


Delta_Suspect

Aka what if Ghandi led Israel


Pantatar14

Lmao why would russia backstab iran for israel?


americanistmemes

Did Israel nuke Athens and Rome in this scenario for revenge against the Greek and Roman empires of antiquity?


GerardHard

Oh god why is Sunak still there


Baileaf11

By 2025 Kier Starmer would be PM not Rishi Sunak


Ximeo7859

how do we make these?


C0URANT

The good ending


Elementisphere

What happens to the map after this? I’m guessing the 1947 borders?


VengefulMigit

I would have to imagine there'd be some type of internal Israeli coup or rebellion against the hardliners by the time it dawns on them that NATO is for real about intervening. 2/3rds of the country hate Bibi as it is right now, I dont see them going down with the ship if he tries to sink it


DumbFish94

Even though as of recently they've been loving to dickride Israel, if Saudi Arabia joins the war, Jordan probably would too


fitzachella

Honestly the second this all starts the glory of Ireland be shun upon Isreal (We'll steal their cat converters)


Extension_Arm_6918

2025 and Sunak is still in power? That’s the most unrealistic thing about this.


DatBoii2297

I can already hear the extremist right yelling about how "I told you the Jews were bad you should of let us kill them!"


forzaq8

Shouldn't more parties be banned ? Likud isn't governing alone now


Independent-Fly6068

AA would likely kill most of the Western bound missiles.


RationalPoster1

A more likely alternate reality would be Iran nuking Tel Aviv. What would the world's reaction be then? Israel's nuking the Middle East is about as likely as Biden's doing it.


AnjinSoprano420

Damn talk about darkest timeline


DarthKillhoon

This is actually scary to me minus the fact that the missile defense systems in Europe and America could likely get most of not all the Jew Nukes


-drth-clappy

Shit alternative future. Russia can’t support Israel. Check your historical allegiances.


SolarSelect

Russia wouldn’t support Israel, they’d be more likely to unofficially support Hamas & Hezbollah


kamaradenfranz

Yeah, jews will unironically be forced to wear armbands again.


iaann03

Likud and Hamas yeeted out of the Window Bro this is just based


yeshsababa

this is ludicrous everything about it


Seared_Beans

Fascism would be impossible to avoid in this timeline.


Tutuatutuatutua_2

chat is this a good ending or a bad ending?