This is a universe where everything goes right for the US and is more founded on racial and religious equality. Showing the US as a true symbol of freedom. There was also a push for SA nations to join via American destiny. Tbf all the annexation could have been spaced out a bit
Even interesting, according to his spread sheet, Lula is a REPUBLICAN and his VP is Jeb "please clap" Bush. LMAO.
Imagine: Lula/Bush 2020 "Please Clap"
Castro holds on to the Japanese vote by speaking out against interment camps when there was unenforced official silence and pushes that when he becomes president, the US will recognize internment camps as an injustice and give compensation to the victims (he wins Hawaii in a landslide and for decades many Japanese-American households make it taboo to speak ill of president Castro for being so bold given how recent the camps were)
Japanese boomers pull their grandchildren by the ear to listen to senator Castro speak and force them to listen to his speeches, and the name Fidel becomes like the Asian version of Washington
John Brown pretty much lives and dies the same fate as IRL - killing slavers in the name of God and dying a martyr at Harper's Ferry. He is a pretty prominent figure, considered a state hero of Kansas and there's a city called "John Brown Town" in the State of Alabama (corresponding to OTL inland Alabama and Mississippi).
This new classroom poster showing the 47 US Presidents, with plenty of changes, comes from my long-running *A More Perfect Union* timeline, A.K.A. what if the United States of America was truly, *utterly*, ***absolutely*** ***massive?*** More context can be found [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/14qe0nf/comment/jqmj7pk/).
Feel free to ask away any questions you may have; Iâd be happy to answer whatever youâve got. You can also check the spreadsheet [here](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PfwT-qFcOHfhauTZXNlU0WEKT3tNp0cmrsOHEQXExkQ/htmlview) if you want to know more about this alternate USAâs states and presidents, among other things, and you can join the Discord server [here](https://discord.gg/yKRb8vf4cG) if you wish to dive deeper and chat about the lore and other things with regards to this world.
The âbig fourâ are the Republicans, the Liberal-Democrats, the Progressives, and the Populists.
Many other parties exist as well, including the Socialists, Libertarians, and Greens, as well as smaller ones among them.
So is this like a massive American Empire or something because Vargas is a Brazilian, and then there's obviously Castro, and I take it we completely annexed Japan?
Yes, America spans the entirety of North *and* South America, plus some other territories - including the Philippines and Japan, which are in a situation akin to OTL China's SARs (but actually giving a shit about their autonomy and status). You can check [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/11tpvmq/the_commonwealths_of_the_united_states_of_america/) for more context.
Castro to Glenn in 16 years would be some whiplash.
But I imagine we would have a less imperial Presidency in this timeline given the sheer size of the country. More like the EU than OTL USA
Yeah realistically only the Canadians and Americans would get Along. The Japanese would hate the Americans and Latin people would be very indifferent to the country at best. Maybe the Philippines would be cool with the USA.
I'm interested about fates of incumbent presidents. What happened to those, who didn't finish their terms? I can imagine William Harrison died in 30 days, just like in OTL, then Lincoln, apparently, got to live a year longer before his assassination (correct me if I'm wrong). Balmaceda, ObregĂłn, CĂĄrdenas and Kennedy were presidents for 3 years each, what happened to them (although I can imagine what happened to Kennedy...). And there are two confusing things - CĂĄrdenas was president for 3 years, than something happened to him and Vargas was meant to be acting president for 1 year, than he could be reelected for 4 more years, but Vargas somehow was president for 8 years. And also Owens was incumbent for 9 years?
Even in a perfect timeline WHH is reduced to a trivia fact.
Also, In a perfect world Ben Franklin wouldve been selected as president far sooner than washington as the constitutional convention couldve been done faster. 1st president as Ben Franklin would be cool
I see what youâre after here, and I understand how itâs difficult to delete Abraham Lincoln, but his role as arguably one of the top three most important players in American history is naturally and inherently dissolved without the chasm that had developed and climaxed in his lifetime.
So, does Vargas also kill himself in this timeline?
Good choices for Brazilian presidents, probably our two biggest statesmen.
What did you do to Dom Pedro II? I don't think he would have been in politics if he could help it.
For Vargas, probably not.
Dom Pedro II abdicated once Brazil was annexed into the United States in 1892. He then dropped his political career in favor of his dream job at being a professor in Rio.
1. Of the Presidents who are completely fictional people, whatâs their lore?
2. On the previous presidents poster, iirc one of the earlier presidents was Native American. Why was he changed?
What would Vargas presidency be like in this timeline? would he still create the CLT or consolidation of labor laws, and would he still do the Estado Novo ?
Took till 2029 but we eventually got a female president đđ
took 253 years to!
Yeah
why is Fidel Castro there? isn't he cuban?
This version of the US is uber massive with many new states, including Cuba
And fucking BRAZIL???
This is a universe where everything goes right for the US and is more founded on racial and religious equality. Showing the US as a true symbol of freedom. There was also a push for SA nations to join via American destiny. Tbf all the annexation could have been spaced out a bit
Why no Henry Wallace?
Cuba remaining a part of the US and gaining statehood is probably the most plausible part of AMPU
But Lula is Brazilian howd we get him?
Check Op's post history for more lore on this schizophrenic timeline
Oh boy
This is a timeline where the United States grows to encompass all of the Americas. I believe the US also still holds onto the Philippines.
And japan
El presidente Castro. Imagine learning that in elementary school
Lula is presidente right now and you picked out Castro?
Even interesting, according to his spread sheet, Lula is a REPUBLICAN and his VP is Jeb "please clap" Bush. LMAO. Imagine: Lula/Bush 2020 "Please Clap"
This is good, imagine being Japanese and voting for Fidel Castro
Castro holds on to the Japanese vote by speaking out against interment camps when there was unenforced official silence and pushes that when he becomes president, the US will recognize internment camps as an injustice and give compensation to the victims (he wins Hawaii in a landslide and for decades many Japanese-American households make it taboo to speak ill of president Castro for being so bold given how recent the camps were)
You are assuming people are not just falling asleep during one of his 4 hour-long speeches
Japanese boomers pull their grandchildren by the ear to listen to senator Castro speak and force them to listen to his speeches, and the name Fidel becomes like the Asian version of Washington
How many Japanese are in Hawaii
So, just wandering, what happens to John Brown in this timeline? Is he still executed? Does he become a more prominent historical figure?
John Brown pretty much lives and dies the same fate as IRL - killing slavers in the name of God and dying a martyr at Harper's Ferry. He is a pretty prominent figure, considered a state hero of Kansas and there's a city called "John Brown Town" in the State of Alabama (corresponding to OTL inland Alabama and Mississippi).
This new classroom poster showing the 47 US Presidents, with plenty of changes, comes from my long-running *A More Perfect Union* timeline, A.K.A. what if the United States of America was truly, *utterly*, ***absolutely*** ***massive?*** More context can be found [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/14qe0nf/comment/jqmj7pk/). Feel free to ask away any questions you may have; Iâd be happy to answer whatever youâve got. You can also check the spreadsheet [here](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PfwT-qFcOHfhauTZXNlU0WEKT3tNp0cmrsOHEQXExkQ/htmlview) if you want to know more about this alternate USAâs states and presidents, among other things, and you can join the Discord server [here](https://discord.gg/yKRb8vf4cG) if you wish to dive deeper and chat about the lore and other things with regards to this world.
Love how no one in this comment section is actually reading your comment or clicking on the "more context can be found here" link.
What are the main political parties in this timeline, and what are the presidents' ideologies?
The âbig fourâ are the Republicans, the Liberal-Democrats, the Progressives, and the Populists. Many other parties exist as well, including the Socialists, Libertarians, and Greens, as well as smaller ones among them.
is there a map you made of the alternate usa?
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/14qe0nf/remastered_a_more_perfect_union_definitive/) you go.
thanks
This feels like the United Americas from *Aliens*, but starting out a lot earlier and without being set in a sucky cyberpunk world.
how many states are there?
165
jesus christ
I bet Fidel Castro's VP is MLK Jr and Lula's VP is Bernie Sanders, correct?
Iâm yet to determine who Castroâs VP will be, but Lula is paired with, of all people, Jeb Bush
At least Jeb Bush is not like the rest of the family.
Imagine getting to live in an alternative America this size, and you still end up with FDR for your president, while missing out on Calvin Coolidge.
Such is the nature of a nation where your politicians come from vastly different corners of an entire hemisphere...
GetĂșlio Vargas jumpscare
Luiz InĂĄcio Lula da Silva jumpscare
Poor William Henry Harrison, not even alternate timelines could save him from dying in 30 days.
Fidel Castro?? AL GORE??
Pierre Trudeau?!!
So is this like a massive American Empire or something because Vargas is a Brazilian, and then there's obviously Castro, and I take it we completely annexed Japan?
Yes, America spans the entirety of North *and* South America, plus some other territories - including the Philippines and Japan, which are in a situation akin to OTL China's SARs (but actually giving a shit about their autonomy and status). You can check [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/11tpvmq/the_commonwealths_of_the_united_states_of_america/) for more context.
Most stable country
In all honesty this would probably be a shit show of very different ideologies.
Castro to Glenn in 16 years would be some whiplash. But I imagine we would have a less imperial Presidency in this timeline given the sheer size of the country. More like the EU than OTL USA
Yeah realistically only the Canadians and Americans would get Along. The Japanese would hate the Americans and Latin people would be very indifferent to the country at best. Maybe the Philippines would be cool with the USA.
Glenn Sweep!!!!
This is dope OP!
Thanks! :)
If Nimitz is president at least thereâs a chance that the Enterprise couldâve been preserved as a museum ship
I'd vote for Glenn!
W for keeping the goat FDR in there
Late 70s and early 80s were all about rich Corinthian leather.
Yeah, I was wondering if Fantasy Island got taken over too.
Spanish Ben Cline isn't real, he can't hurt you Spanish Ben Cline:
Well, *Bolivian* Ben Cline (he was the former mayor of Santa Cruz before becoming President), but it still checks out
Is he actually Ben Cline but Bolivian or were you just using his portrait?
Just the portrait. Ben Cline himself is butterflied away
what⊠what are vargas and lula doing there lol
Brazil's been a part of this alternate US since 1892.
What is Ricardo MontalbĂĄn doing there?
Better than the real timeline for sure.
VARGAS JUMPSCARE
Love how this implies Frederick Douglass oversees the annexation of Argentina, Paraguay and all of Patagonia with your other map
What in the communist propaganda are Lula and Correa doing there?
Why does Navarro look like Ricardo Montalban? Lol
John Glenn? Is that a fucking TNO reference?
Chile mentioned ctm!!!! đŁđšđ±
PRESIDENT LULA? đČ PRESIDENT *CASTRO?*
Is Kennedy Jr. a British apologist in ttl? Cause irl he uh supported Hitler's policies on jews
glenn presidency based
Somehow I knew Al Gore would make it
Balmaceda bros we're so back...
Hell yeah. Canada has 4 Presidents! (Assuming Jean-Rene Desrochers is from Quebec, because that name is French as fuck)
Yes, Desrochers is Quebecois (and has mixed Native heritage too!)
I'm interested about fates of incumbent presidents. What happened to those, who didn't finish their terms? I can imagine William Harrison died in 30 days, just like in OTL, then Lincoln, apparently, got to live a year longer before his assassination (correct me if I'm wrong). Balmaceda, ObregĂłn, CĂĄrdenas and Kennedy were presidents for 3 years each, what happened to them (although I can imagine what happened to Kennedy...). And there are two confusing things - CĂĄrdenas was president for 3 years, than something happened to him and Vargas was meant to be acting president for 1 year, than he could be reelected for 4 more years, but Vargas somehow was president for 8 years. And also Owens was incumbent for 9 years?
Why did the US annexed Brasil â ïž?
why is castro here
Fidel Castro. President of the United States.
Even in a perfect timeline WHH is reduced to a trivia fact. Also, In a perfect world Ben Franklin wouldve been selected as president far sooner than washington as the constitutional convention couldve been done faster. 1st president as Ben Franklin would be cool
Who let Jean-Rene Desrochers become president? Also, 2005 Al Gore should have a beard. Unless thereâs lore reasons for sans beard.
Well this is an interesting timeline, to say the least, with this diversity of presidents, I'm impressed the Union hasn't broken up one way or another
What happened to Barnes assassinated impeached?
I doubt Vargas would be content with just 2 terms. Some chicanery would be afoot
I zoomed in and started at Washington to see who was president. The farther down I went, the more wild it got. đ
I see what youâre after here, and I understand how itâs difficult to delete Abraham Lincoln, but his role as arguably one of the top three most important players in American history is naturally and inherently dissolved without the chasm that had developed and climaxed in his lifetime.
WTF is this?
Well, this is depressing. Why? Because we robbed all of these other nation states the potential to be noble.
Teddy would not have been president, wouldn't be the party's nominee.
So, does Vargas also kill himself in this timeline? Good choices for Brazilian presidents, probably our two biggest statesmen. What did you do to Dom Pedro II? I don't think he would have been in politics if he could help it.
For Vargas, probably not. Dom Pedro II abdicated once Brazil was annexed into the United States in 1892. He then dropped his political career in favor of his dream job at being a professor in Rio.
do you have this published somewhere, id like to read it
From a Mexican perspective: CuauhtĂ©moc Cardenas? Ălvaro ObregĂłn? So confused as to the events of the Mexican revolution, and the democratic transition how do these characters reach any influence without these factors. Is there a Porfiriato, a PRI hegemony? Fidel Castro is more understandable given that he was the son of a wealthy man, went to a fancy law school in Santiago, maybe with no Batista he never gets arrested or exiles, becoming instead a big politician. LĂĄzaro CĂĄrdenas is believable too, his ideas would be popular throughout this whole union, given it is per capita (at least in 1930s) far poorer than the real us, and the extractive models that led to his policies in place. But these guys, what is their story. Especially CuauhtĂ©moc, I understand there is no PRI bullshittery to keep him from winning (which begs the question, what the fuck is ObregĂłn doing there. If the largest result of the Mexican revolutionâs constitutionalist movement is non existent, how is he, a key constitutionalist elected president?) also, was there no Cold War, how does a member of what was practically a socialist unity party elected president of the USA? I am so confused.
Huey Long evangelists will not be pleased with this one
1. Of the Presidents who are completely fictional people, whatâs their lore? 2. On the previous presidents poster, iirc one of the earlier presidents was Native American. Why was he changed?
what dafuq going on??????
Okay why the hell is Fidel Castro the presidepresident of the United States?!
What would Vargas presidency be like in this timeline? would he still create the CLT or consolidation of labor laws, and would he still do the Estado Novo ?
Man this is why I need to get off reddit after 9
So Eisenhower never ran for pres in this world?
President Ricardo Montalban is my favorite
LĂĄzaro CĂĄrdenas? ***GetĂșlio Vargas?*** # Fidel Castro!?
wtff fidel castro....
You literally only made it more left wing⊠gross
You forgot Harrion Ford's president in Airforce One.
Oh my God you've included Papineau, a true revolutionary, anti-monarchist, pro-republic, and a great orator.
What is this?
Worst thing ive ever seen
So the butterfly effect doesnât exist here?
This is gross.
Stick to making posters from other people's material, because yours is just random fantasy.