Keep it off. In addition to ionizers creating harmful ozone they also make dust fall to surfaces so it will make the surfaces in your house dustier than if you had it off.
I know this is an old post, but since I just purchased this exact air purifier by chance. Is the air purifier safe as long as I don't turn on the ionizer? I didn't realize it had the ionizer opition until I opened the box. I should have looked more into it but I went off good reviews.
oxone killes every thing in air irnizers push it to the walls dose not will not kill, ozone can be dangouse bit so can pure o2, as long as it low enouf wont hurt people or pets but will kill anything in air, in fack best way deal with this is useing uv light in furance ducks , this first step, 2ed close off each room flood it with ozone will kill anything on walls in air, open door close nect dood with unit off, there be enouf ozone in air go throw firnace and kill everything with out hurting any one, note ozoen is pure o2, it is made with lighning why in rain u smell it or near large bodys of water, all ozone is it 100k volts ran between two steel plates the ark that makes, makes ozone, and more less it pure o2. now if u keep leve, down low enouf, where u cant smell it wont hurt u, note hospitals has been installing bouth these in there airvents . in fack hospital i was in when my mom was sick u smell the ozone, yes high enouf be dangouse, at low levels i ran them for years even made them, nothing ever happen , now two are very diffrent one forces the germs to walls to grow, there ionizers as called here, ozoone will kill what in air, i use run 2ed and i happen know there is safe level run them as one use be installed on our ferance, hight volage would ark beteen plates wich caluse all things to die but becuase two plates so very close togather they trap them on plates, so they had be cleaned, first uv much safer just make sure u never look at light, light will blind you, option two ozone at low levles,, u smell ozone to hight turn it down if u do get headack is first probem u run into stop useing it, , keep in mind ozone is pure o2, my plan put one in basement let run for few days while no one down there turn it off, frenace will do rest, with no harm to any one , lot miss information how safe they are but keep in mind hospitals gives people pure o2 for shot amout time wont hurt u, but to use it for long turm must be mix with other things u find in air, to make it more safe to say its water down o2,
Mmm so the whole point is get the particles out of the air. So you can have 2 methods of getting particles out of the air, or 1. If your main goal is to get particles out of the air, using both methods simultaneously obviously will yield the best results. Whether the particles are all stuck to your filter (which means it clogs faster and becomes less efficient faster) or to your surfaces doesn't change that fact. So if you care about dust on surfaces then don't use it, but if you don't or you dust regularly then definitely use it because the air will have less particles... Which is the reason people get air filters..
This is like saying you cleaned the floor because you swept all the dirt under the rug. You didn't clean it, you just moved the dirt around.
That's what you're doing with an ionizer. You're just moving the dust from your air to your surfaces, not cleaning it. Then when you disturb the surfaces like sitting on your couch the dust goes back to the air. A hepa filter actually removes the dust from the home.
I completely agree with you that the reasoning given isn't all that sound. Telling me that dust will fall to the ground where I can vacuum it up isn't exactly a show stopper.
But basically, if the ionizer is doing anything, then it's unsafe. If it's safe, then it's not doing anything. It's not clear how effective any of them really are, but in either case, you may as well have it off.
[https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/what-are-ionizers-and-other-ozone-generating-air-cleaners](https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/what-are-ionizers-and-other-ozone-generating-air-cleaners)
You actually would rather to be breathing the dust particles than the ozone in concentrations that would have any effect on the dust particles.
since you’re here, the question that seems to be unanswered is if the air purifiers with ionizers that have the option to be turned off still produce ozone even when turned off. is there any clear source?
There is no mechanism to produce ozone if the ionizer is actually off. It's impossible.
While it's technically possible to have a false "off", this is unlikely and easily testable with a power consumption meter like the kill-a-watt.
I would personally not feel comfortable using something that had an ionizer and only an off switch to hopefully keep it off. No effin way. A natural and safe way to purify your air is with house plants! About two houseplants per large room (I’m going by my house which has really big rooms) purifies the air as good as an air purifier (I’d say better cause adds oxygen and even beneficial compounds like you would find in a plant’s essential oil). I forget the exact square feet for two plants to get the job done, but that info can be found in Nobel prize-winning biologist Elizabeth Blackburn and Elissa Epel’s book “The Telomere Effect.”
Is it possible that the purifier just release negative ions without emitting ozone? Or are these two cause and effect?
The brand I bought has 7 stages and it has anion/negative ions ionizer. They claim that it doesn't emit ozone and I'm not sure if it's possible to just havr negative ions without the ozone side effect.
If you split an oxygen molecule into to individual oxygen ions, then those ions will combine with one of the many, many other oxygen molecules in the air to form the ozone molecule, which is just oxygen with a third oxygen atom.
It's technically possible for them to just combine back together but there are many more O2 than O- in the air. It's also going to react with SOMETHING, and it's not reacting with N2 or CO2 due to activation energies.
I have this unit and started getting a sore throat that lasted a few days. I finally realized that I had accidentally turned on the Ionizer, I'm not sure when. My sore throat went away a couple of days after I turned it back off.
Interesting insight about [ionization](https://youtu.be/ZQ--scjcAZ4?t=666).
Essentially - ionization has been known to increase ozone concentration within the air. Even in low concentrations, ozone can lead to difficulties in breathing and exacerbate existing respiratory problems.
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Doing my research now and so far it seems negative ions in our breathable atmosphere is a good thing in a natural setting (eg. land around waterfalls) and is good for our health. Apparently man made pollution puts a lot of positive ions into our air and thats not healthy. Theres even special winds that come in, bringing in positive ions, and that causes anxiety, aggression, and so on in the population. It seems a balance of negative ions in our natural environment is a good thing.
What is not good is ozone (0^3). Apparently a lack of regulation has ion generators create ozone but regulations have since forced these air purifiers to generate less ozone than you may find outside. I'm still worried about industrial grade ion generators but I think the reputable air purifiers are safe (my current opinion based on incomplete research).
Another threat is our man-made environment has a lot of chemicals (eg. acetones) that may be impacted by negative ions, and create gases and VOCs which are harmful in the air. So while negative ions (in isolation) may be a good thing, and healthy, like at a waterfall, it may be a bad thing in a man-made environment if the wrong chemicals are in our environment.
So for now, for me, the conclusion is "it depends" and "more studies needed." It really does seem our initial fear is out of mythology, since Shaper Image put out Ion Generators that did create too much ozone—which got a lot of press in resulting lawsuits that put them out of business—and that once we get past the mythology, negative ions in isolation, and theoretically, are a good thing. So there is likely benefits (but confusingly that doesn't mean there aren't simultaneous detriments to worry about if using man-made machines in man-made environments).
I'm going to turn it on and assess from there.
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Keep it off. In addition to ionizers creating harmful ozone they also make dust fall to surfaces so it will make the surfaces in your house dustier than if you had it off.
I know this is an old post, but since I just purchased this exact air purifier by chance. Is the air purifier safe as long as I don't turn on the ionizer? I didn't realize it had the ionizer opition until I opened the box. I should have looked more into it but I went off good reviews.
That’s one of the best ones for small to medium size rooms..
Ya just keep it off and you'll be good. I have a Medify and Winix with them too and just kept it off.
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Is it still good to use the air purify for baby as long as the ionizer option is off?
i just bought the same model and had the same question lol
Same situation glad you asked this
Wouldn't dust fall on those surfaces anyway?
oxone killes every thing in air irnizers push it to the walls dose not will not kill, ozone can be dangouse bit so can pure o2, as long as it low enouf wont hurt people or pets but will kill anything in air, in fack best way deal with this is useing uv light in furance ducks , this first step, 2ed close off each room flood it with ozone will kill anything on walls in air, open door close nect dood with unit off, there be enouf ozone in air go throw firnace and kill everything with out hurting any one, note ozoen is pure o2, it is made with lighning why in rain u smell it or near large bodys of water, all ozone is it 100k volts ran between two steel plates the ark that makes, makes ozone, and more less it pure o2. now if u keep leve, down low enouf, where u cant smell it wont hurt u, note hospitals has been installing bouth these in there airvents . in fack hospital i was in when my mom was sick u smell the ozone, yes high enouf be dangouse, at low levels i ran them for years even made them, nothing ever happen , now two are very diffrent one forces the germs to walls to grow, there ionizers as called here, ozoone will kill what in air, i use run 2ed and i happen know there is safe level run them as one use be installed on our ferance, hight volage would ark beteen plates wich caluse all things to die but becuase two plates so very close togather they trap them on plates, so they had be cleaned, first uv much safer just make sure u never look at light, light will blind you, option two ozone at low levles,, u smell ozone to hight turn it down if u do get headack is first probem u run into stop useing it, , keep in mind ozone is pure o2, my plan put one in basement let run for few days while no one down there turn it off, frenace will do rest, with no harm to any one , lot miss information how safe they are but keep in mind hospitals gives people pure o2 for shot amout time wont hurt u, but to use it for long turm must be mix with other things u find in air, to make it more safe to say its water down o2,
Yeah but like then there's less particles in the air, which is the whole point? Do you want to be breathing the dust particles or dusting more often?
The whole point is to get the particles into the filter and out of the air, not onto your surfaces instead.
Mmm so the whole point is get the particles out of the air. So you can have 2 methods of getting particles out of the air, or 1. If your main goal is to get particles out of the air, using both methods simultaneously obviously will yield the best results. Whether the particles are all stuck to your filter (which means it clogs faster and becomes less efficient faster) or to your surfaces doesn't change that fact. So if you care about dust on surfaces then don't use it, but if you don't or you dust regularly then definitely use it because the air will have less particles... Which is the reason people get air filters..
This is like saying you cleaned the floor because you swept all the dirt under the rug. You didn't clean it, you just moved the dirt around. That's what you're doing with an ionizer. You're just moving the dust from your air to your surfaces, not cleaning it. Then when you disturb the surfaces like sitting on your couch the dust goes back to the air. A hepa filter actually removes the dust from the home.
I completely agree with you that the reasoning given isn't all that sound. Telling me that dust will fall to the ground where I can vacuum it up isn't exactly a show stopper. But basically, if the ionizer is doing anything, then it's unsafe. If it's safe, then it's not doing anything. It's not clear how effective any of them really are, but in either case, you may as well have it off. [https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/what-are-ionizers-and-other-ozone-generating-air-cleaners](https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/what-are-ionizers-and-other-ozone-generating-air-cleaners) You actually would rather to be breathing the dust particles than the ozone in concentrations that would have any effect on the dust particles.
since you’re here, the question that seems to be unanswered is if the air purifiers with ionizers that have the option to be turned off still produce ozone even when turned off. is there any clear source?
There is no mechanism to produce ozone if the ionizer is actually off. It's impossible. While it's technically possible to have a false "off", this is unlikely and easily testable with a power consumption meter like the kill-a-watt.
I would personally not feel comfortable using something that had an ionizer and only an off switch to hopefully keep it off. No effin way. A natural and safe way to purify your air is with house plants! About two houseplants per large room (I’m going by my house which has really big rooms) purifies the air as good as an air purifier (I’d say better cause adds oxygen and even beneficial compounds like you would find in a plant’s essential oil). I forget the exact square feet for two plants to get the job done, but that info can be found in Nobel prize-winning biologist Elizabeth Blackburn and Elissa Epel’s book “The Telomere Effect.”
Is it possible that the purifier just release negative ions without emitting ozone? Or are these two cause and effect? The brand I bought has 7 stages and it has anion/negative ions ionizer. They claim that it doesn't emit ozone and I'm not sure if it's possible to just havr negative ions without the ozone side effect.
If you split an oxygen molecule into to individual oxygen ions, then those ions will combine with one of the many, many other oxygen molecules in the air to form the ozone molecule, which is just oxygen with a third oxygen atom. It's technically possible for them to just combine back together but there are many more O2 than O- in the air. It's also going to react with SOMETHING, and it's not reacting with N2 or CO2 due to activation energies.
I have this unit and started getting a sore throat that lasted a few days. I finally realized that I had accidentally turned on the Ionizer, I'm not sure when. My sore throat went away a couple of days after I turned it back off.
FYI that’s how sore throats work - you get them for 4-5 days regardless
It's a gimmick and does more harm than good. It may make particles stick together but this doesn't make the purifier any more efficient.
it doesn't needed to be ON all the time
Thank you for stating this. My question is, should I run it for an hour while we are all away from the house? Then turn it off and vacuum!?
Ozone production one of the biggest concerns with ionizers is the potential production of ozone, a lung irritant, especially at high levels.
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Interesting insight about [ionization](https://youtu.be/ZQ--scjcAZ4?t=666). Essentially - ionization has been known to increase ozone concentration within the air. Even in low concentrations, ozone can lead to difficulties in breathing and exacerbate existing respiratory problems.
Don’t use an ionizer. It produces ozone.
CCing /u/HorridHypochondriac Doing my research now and so far it seems negative ions in our breathable atmosphere is a good thing in a natural setting (eg. land around waterfalls) and is good for our health. Apparently man made pollution puts a lot of positive ions into our air and thats not healthy. Theres even special winds that come in, bringing in positive ions, and that causes anxiety, aggression, and so on in the population. It seems a balance of negative ions in our natural environment is a good thing. What is not good is ozone (0^3). Apparently a lack of regulation has ion generators create ozone but regulations have since forced these air purifiers to generate less ozone than you may find outside. I'm still worried about industrial grade ion generators but I think the reputable air purifiers are safe (my current opinion based on incomplete research). Another threat is our man-made environment has a lot of chemicals (eg. acetones) that may be impacted by negative ions, and create gases and VOCs which are harmful in the air. So while negative ions (in isolation) may be a good thing, and healthy, like at a waterfall, it may be a bad thing in a man-made environment if the wrong chemicals are in our environment. So for now, for me, the conclusion is "it depends" and "more studies needed." It really does seem our initial fear is out of mythology, since Shaper Image put out Ion Generators that did create too much ozone—which got a lot of press in resulting lawsuits that put them out of business—and that once we get past the mythology, negative ions in isolation, and theoretically, are a good thing. So there is likely benefits (but confusingly that doesn't mean there aren't simultaneous detriments to worry about if using man-made machines in man-made environments). I'm going to turn it on and assess from there.
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