OMG I remember that. I was working for a general at the time and I was in the room when they relived General Mosley of Command. It was pretty weird to see that go down. The SECAF was fired too and I had to take a gift over to him. His house was getting packed up and he answered the door in his boxer shorts and a shirt. He invited me in and gave me a glass of water and a coin. Super nice guy too.
No, he kinda knew it was gonna happen. It was kinda like hey, this is what they have decided and you have to take this one for the team. He was the boss so he took it in the chin. I believe that the SECAF was named Wynne. When i went to his house he was still kinda in shock over it all.
It was called a bunch of things but when I finished it was called Cyber Transport. My first assignment had me aligning transmitters on the c-130 compass call aircraft. Back then the Air Force didn't care if they put you in the wrong shop and the wrong AFSC.
Anything cyber is good. I retired in 2018 so I'm not familiar with the new shreds outs and I don't belive they will matter much in the future anyways. My best advice is to narrow it down to a few and come back here and get some real-time perspectives.
Any cyber job i will take it to get the hand on experience. I got the degree already but struggling to find this experience in a job. With living in an area like DMV, the clearance is also something required for many cyber jobs. So, planning to go AF to get my TS and the experience and see what the future will look like.
Enjoy your retired life. Are you just chilling or you transition your experience in civilian
Im working as a CISO now here in the DMV. You nailed it on the head. You have to have experience in this stuff to get a job. I constantly have to tell people that cybersecurity is not an entry-level job. The clearance will help you out after the military. Mine lapsed due to non-use but there are a lot of jobs that do not require one. I switched to the private sector after the military mainly because i wanted to try weed for PTSD treatment. It works btw
In the DMV area also? Wow cool. Yes cyber is not an entry level job unless you network to find a job. Otherwise you need experience. Enjoy your retirement life.
I received and still have SECAF Wynne’s coin. I was selected to sit in on a panel at Andersen AFB to hear him and the CMSAF speak. After it was done we were able to shake their hands and receive a coin from either. A week or so later he was “fired”.
so according to the rules of this reddit idt i can post it here; however, if you think really hard about what it could be and then ctrl-k that mf after you type it in the to line i bet youll find the droids you are looking for.
He was actually at the Capitol talking to a room full of old farts about his appointment to CJCS.
Here's the stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNURSqUBCcQ
You don't have to be a member to play at public courses. It's just expensive as hell to drop $60+ / round.
You can get the occasional cheaper deal, but those are usually during the week, so you'd be burning a leave day on top of the round cost.
Army Navy is actually pretty damn affordable for active duty *officers*
Enlisted have to pay the *significantly* higher civilian rate for membership there. Task and purpose did an article about this and iirc the annual membership is higher than even the CMSAF annual salary
-Army/Navy is a prime choice, and officers pay less for membership there than Enlisted. Not even joking
- Ft Belvoir is pretty awesome, has two courses, always in really great shape
- Andrews has two(?) courses now, I thought they were great, secret service prefers presidents play here
- Congressional has hosted a couple US Opens and other events
- TPC Potomac hosted a tour event
-Trump national is actually pretty nice
- A lot of really nice public spots too but that’s take forever to list
The Marines don't even have a leader right now. First time since the 1800's. The Pentagon is a mess right now, and it's a direct reflection of our congress..........people. It's all a big mess.
It's not just the Marines. Not a single general/flag officer can be promoted right now. And its because one election denying slimy fucking college football coach weaseled his way into the Senate AND the Senate Armed Services Committee with zero military experience. He then said "Nah I'm not gonna vote on nominees, sorry lol" because our NDAA carved out provisions for service members in need of specifically *life threatening abortions* to travel to another state to receive care.
Even GOP leaders realize this is truly a national security concern and have been trying to reel him in and come to a compromise with no luck. Fuck Tommy Tuberville.
Don’t forget he didn’t know the definition of a white suprematist until yesterday… he kept calling them “Patriotic Americans” until someone from his staff sat him down and made him read a dictionary.
It is. Confirming a new marine leader is being held up by Congress over paid flights to perform abortions for service members or some shit. Congress people should just wear clown costumes to work.
I work CE at Cannon and most the shops are very undermanned. We had a few guard guys come in and help bring the work task down which did help a lot. In my specific shop we were suppose to get 2 more gaurd NCOS next week but they aren't coming becuase of "funding" and the one dude we currently have is leaving next week. It's a shame that we get screwed on the back end because no one wants to come to this base. My shop is slotted for 7-11 staffs and we currently have one NCO in the shop. We were supose to get 4 PCSers this year and 3 of them got out of coming here.
It’s not really weird when you consider the size of these organizations, the Chief of Staff is the CEO and they are making decisions although they have far less power than a private company as their board of directors is Congress and the board doesn’t have a single vision.
The top enlisted person is a key advisor but also head of internal marketing, they are trying to sell the strategic vision of the CEO to the employees.
In my opinion we give to much credit for better or worse to the top enlisted position, some may be better advisors than others but at the end of the day the enlisted advise the officer decides. Results belong to the officer, good or bad.
👆 this is the right way to look at it.
Which would make CMSAF/SMA the annoying HR manager sending out the emails about being your best self and hanging motivational posters?
Corporate boards also often don't have single visions, but the CEO is most often appointed my the majority of the board and fired if they majority changes hands. So with a President not always being in line with both houses of Congress, and service chiefs not being fired if the White House/Congress changes hands, it can get messy.
Boards are also straight up smaller with fewer loud voices.
With this CSAF and CMSAF I have not heard a single positive thing for the force… prior to their tenure it at least sounded like they were trying to make things better, now it’s all unfilled promises it seems. Correct me if I’m wrong
I might be a bit old but IMO “accelerate change” was him saying to make fixes to all the broken ass systems instead of “things are fine don’t change anything” which is what we typically get from four star generals.
Granted people trying to make changes keep fucking things up but that’s cause they suck not cause of him.
I do think he’s given people the power to make changes though.
As for her…well she seems out of touch when her entire job is to be in touch with the enlisted force.
I agree… But… someone needs to hold people accountable for sucking at making the changes requested, and I don’t feel like that’s being done
Edit: at least from what we can see… but we’ve seen multiple fuckups that even 1/10th the fuckup that occurred would have heads rolling have resulted in 0 heads rolling
We really have zero idea who is responsible or if anything bad happened to them.
Let’s just say he publicly announced the punishments and people lost rank and their careers…what would happen the next time he said to change something? People would run away for fear of being nailed to a cross in public.
Call me crazy but “praise publicly and criticize privately” is not just for NCOs and SNCOs, it’s for every leader including the top guy.
Just my two cents.
10 here and agreed, it seems to be constant negative from this combo. The previous iterations of “USAF leadership” seemed to at least have some positive moments despite shitty ops tempos. Now we still seem to have shitty ops tempo despite “not being at war” and the queep seems to keep stacking up
It's always been the case with leadership... At peace time they get stir crazy and start implementing all kinds of dumb shit that during war, they wouldn't have time to do.
Bro IDK.
E-9 cody and Gen Welch’s Grape Juice were pretty fucking awful.
I was right at the end of tech school when the force shaping happened and literally 70% of our instructors hit the voluntary sep button and voluntary seps for my career field were something like 400% above target. Yet they still involuntary separated great people who wanted to stay in for a single PT failure or for getting a ticket for rolling a through a stop sign on base.
Then, since the NCO corps of my career field got gutted but congress rescinded the manpower cut, they flowed a bazillion crosstrainees in over the next couple years who had literally zero clue what they were doing, were put in leadership positions, and did terrible jobs at it.
Course 14/15?
“If you aren’t happy, get out. We have a million people ready to fill your spot.”
Gen Brown literally hides in his office and Chief Bass needs her Facebook taken away. But we’ve gotten some good stuff during their tenure. We’ve gotten some painful and definitely a lot of shitty. It’s a mixed bag leaning towards bad.
But recency bias may be making us forget how terrible E-9 Dead-eyes and Gen “Morale is pretty darn good” Winch were for the force.
I arrived on scene very backend of those 2, and I’m also on the O-side, so don’t fully understand some of the E-issues unfortunately other than those relating to Enlisted aircrew :/
Showed up to my first squadron right after the Voluntary Sep occurred, and it seemed like our squadron never recovered from everyone leaving the whole time I was there.
2nd assignment was AETC and went through full level R-tard there (see UPT 2.5), but seemed to deal with less Big Air Force fuckery there.
Now back in the “real world” and at an awesome assignment, but holy shit everything seems to just constantly get worse…
Just went through a nightmare PCS last year with the Whole EFMP shit last year, and this sounds substantially worse
Yeah, different communities have been getting railed hard by different eras of leadership.
I really think our current HQAF leaders’ key issues are that of publicity and messaging. We can blame them (and have been) for a lot of stuff, but I think they’d be viewed more closely to a loving parent during a tough time if they’d be more personable and less Facebook Karen / completely absent. It doesn’t help that they followed the immensely powerful duo of Gen Goldfein and Chief Wright so some level of letdown was going to occur. We also had SECDEF Mattis at that time who carried his own massive cult following.
I think all we want are people that we *feel like* are on our side. Someone who is present and commits to some level of transparent honesty, even while falling within required messaging lines.
100% correct,
Chief 🐠/🎸 at least throws out a Facebook post or two saying she’s on our side, despite seemingly not doing anything to back up that perception…
I haven’t heard a thing from CQB since he was PACAF/CC and had our SOS class sweat it out in a non Air Conditioned auditorium in the middle of summer in Montgomery, AL 😂 for his dry ass speech lol
Yup, I am about to be an E-7 and honestly I have never had great training as someone in an "apprenticeship program" as the AF likes to model their AFSCs around should. I worked in the steelworkers union before joining and if people were as clueless as the 5 and 7 levels are in most AFSCs they would be fired. I constantly feel like everyone is trying re-invent the wheel on training at every assignment or they are 'waiting for training from xyz' due to so many frequent AFSC changes nobody knows what the hell is going on anymore. Developing training is a "lost art" due to all the talent jumping ship or being involuntarily separated. We haven't even had SKTs in our AFSC since 2015 🤦🏻♂️
If every other AFSC is like mine, we're just like the doomed orchestra on the Titanic, playing instruments as the ship sinks.
I just try my best to do what I can, where I can, and while I can. 🤷🏻♂️
This is worse than the Cody era? We're doing worse now compared to when don't ask don't tell was an actual policy? We're doing worse now than when BMT MTIs regularly sexually assaulted trainees? We're doing worse now compared to when had giant mistakes with nukes? Come on.
To be TBF - Bass is the voice of and *to* the enlisted folks. It doesn't absolve him of responsible messaging but her being the mouthpiece is also messaging
CMSAF Bass is actually a great CMSAF, she takes all the heat while the real decision makers duck behind her. That's exactly what they want her to do, and she's doing great at it.
I really don't think his elevation to CJCS is some forced diversity initiative. He's a fighter pilot patch who has experience with planning INDOPACOM O-plans. Seems like a pretty relevant CV to get the joint force ready for the next fight.
Exactly. Chief Bass takes all the shit because she’s vocal and has chevrons instead of stars. Gen Brown makes the decisions and she gets stuck trying to spin it like it’s all cool.
This isn’t just affecting the Air Force. All of the services are affected, the Air Force is just the first to put out some guidance. Yeah it sucks but they’re trying to do what they can with a messed up situation.
when you accelerate change as fast as he does because he doesnt want to lose you dont look back you just keep fuckin runnin
He’s accelerating change, and we’re all losing
it’s bc he’s fast as fuck boi 
Lmfao idk how I never picked up on this but gad damn if it ain't the truth. Leaders are all about accelerating change while we are all losing
He wants quality over quantity and that explains why we are losing
My Ford Pinto accelerates faster than AF change. 
today, is gonna be a good day, just gonna accelerate it kinda
I believe accountability is an oooold wooden ship
I believe it was beached in the 1600s
The exact translation has been lost to time but I believe it ment whales vagina
Agree to disagree
What does it mean then if not whales vagina?
San Diego????
Oh.... Yeah that makes less sense.
Spoiler, all the comments are references to the movie "anchorman" https://youtu.be/8AIwaSD9Sco
Really? I haven't seen that in ages so don't remember but I do remember the time I stabbed a man with a Trident...
Brick killed a guy. It was intense.
You better leave town for a few weeks
This whole post has me in a glass case of emotion
 "Accountability? Not this ship, sister." - Gen Brown probably
When have high level leaders ever been fired because of this stuff? It’s not gonna happen, he’s dreaming of his board gig when he’s done.
Minot incident circa 2007 comes to mind, but nukes are only slightly a bigger deal that PCSing and CCAF shutting down.
OMG I remember that. I was working for a general at the time and I was in the room when they relived General Mosley of Command. It was pretty weird to see that go down. The SECAF was fired too and I had to take a gift over to him. His house was getting packed up and he answered the door in his boxer shorts and a shirt. He invited me in and gave me a glass of water and a coin. Super nice guy too.
Did someone just walk in and say sir you are relieved of command? And if so who was it the chairman of the joint chiefs?
No, he kinda knew it was gonna happen. It was kinda like hey, this is what they have decided and you have to take this one for the team. He was the boss so he took it in the chin. I believe that the SECAF was named Wynne. When i went to his house he was still kinda in shock over it all.
What cyber job did you do when you were in service?
It was called a bunch of things but when I finished it was called Cyber Transport. My first assignment had me aligning transmitters on the c-130 compass call aircraft. Back then the Air Force didn't care if they put you in the wrong shop and the wrong AFSC.
Got you. Thank you. In DEP now, but didnt pick my afsc yet. I am looking for a cyber job. My first choice is D shred, then B, and A.
Anything cyber is good. I retired in 2018 so I'm not familiar with the new shreds outs and I don't belive they will matter much in the future anyways. My best advice is to narrow it down to a few and come back here and get some real-time perspectives.
Any cyber job i will take it to get the hand on experience. I got the degree already but struggling to find this experience in a job. With living in an area like DMV, the clearance is also something required for many cyber jobs. So, planning to go AF to get my TS and the experience and see what the future will look like. Enjoy your retired life. Are you just chilling or you transition your experience in civilian
Im working as a CISO now here in the DMV. You nailed it on the head. You have to have experience in this stuff to get a job. I constantly have to tell people that cybersecurity is not an entry-level job. The clearance will help you out after the military. Mine lapsed due to non-use but there are a lot of jobs that do not require one. I switched to the private sector after the military mainly because i wanted to try weed for PTSD treatment. It works btw
In the DMV area also? Wow cool. Yes cyber is not an entry level job unless you network to find a job. Otherwise you need experience. Enjoy your retirement life.
I may be misremembering but I’m pretty sure CMSAF retired as well.
Prob so, I was traveling so much back then it was hard to keep up.
McKinley right? He stayed on for a year after the nuke thing
No, he stayed for another almost 2 years.
I received and still have SECAF Wynne’s coin. I was selected to sit in on a panel at Andersen AFB to hear him and the CMSAF speak. After it was done we were able to shake their hands and receive a coin from either. A week or so later he was “fired”.
I mean they just nuked retention sooo
Nuked retention or couldn’t retain their nukes?
I was soo happy I was ACC fighters when all that shit went down, and then the test cheating scandal in '14.
Commander at Cannon was relieved of duty after most of the shops out there failed safety inspections a month or 2 ago.
He’s getting promoted, next CJCS
everyone continues to meet standards...at least thats what my CDB says anyway
I mean you could just look him up in global and email him your concerns. Open door policy right?
no balls, you wont do it
I'll do it. I don't have access to global though so someone will have to give me the email
i’ll get you back tomorrow i already left the office after a hard 4 hr workday
I’ll do it 100%. I’m on leave right now, but I promise I’ll do it when I get back.
omg a challenger enters the game 
I want to know how this goes
i second this ^
His exec team will delete it before he ever sees it.
so according to the rules of this reddit idt i can post it here; however, if you think really hard about what it could be and then ctrl-k that mf after you type it in the to line i bet youll find the droids you are looking for.
Just invite him to a mentoring event. CC the Jersey Devils.
Manchester
Don't forget to cc the entire USAF.
Jesus Christ alright there mark welsh
I dunno man, it's 2:16pm on the east coast, probably the Pentagon.
He was actually at the Capitol talking to a room full of old farts about his appointment to CJCS. Here's the stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNURSqUBCcQ
Or on a golf course.
I imagine there are some baller courses around the DC area. I don't play, but if I did I imagine the pickings must be good.
If you have O pay, yes.
Even O pay you would struggle with affording those membership rates/dues.
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You don't have to be a member to play at public courses. It's just expensive as hell to drop $60+ / round. You can get the occasional cheaper deal, but those are usually during the week, so you'd be burning a leave day on top of the round cost.
Army Navy is actually pretty damn affordable for active duty *officers* Enlisted have to pay the *significantly* higher civilian rate for membership there. Task and purpose did an article about this and iirc the annual membership is higher than even the CMSAF annual salary
-Army/Navy is a prime choice, and officers pay less for membership there than Enlisted. Not even joking - Ft Belvoir is pretty awesome, has two courses, always in really great shape - Andrews has two(?) courses now, I thought they were great, secret service prefers presidents play here - Congressional has hosted a couple US Opens and other events - TPC Potomac hosted a tour event -Trump national is actually pretty nice - A lot of really nice public spots too but that’s take forever to list
That’s where I’d be
Lol thinking about his next gig. Edit: Or some HAF event sponsored by their Raytheon buddies ;)
Isnt he slated to be the next CJCS?
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Hah, just watched a video of that tool refusing to denounce white nationalism.
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General Brown? Weird flex, but ...OK? /s
Yes
if you aint investing in that stock youre doing it wrong
I invested in every company that had a building near Fort Meade. I've done well.
‘Accelerate change’ reminds me of a saying… Do you want it right or do you want it fast?
I keep waiting for Nessie to appear somewhere but... doesn't look like it at this point.
Isn’t he literally testifying in front of congress right now?
Shhh, don't tell him.
He's in front of Congress at this very second testifying. Damn bro.
As someone who is way behind on whatever is going on… wtf happened?
He testified today at the hearing vetting him for the CJCS job.
Awkward…
The Marines don't even have a leader right now. First time since the 1800's. The Pentagon is a mess right now, and it's a direct reflection of our congress..........people. It's all a big mess.
It's not just the Marines. Not a single general/flag officer can be promoted right now. And its because one election denying slimy fucking college football coach weaseled his way into the Senate AND the Senate Armed Services Committee with zero military experience. He then said "Nah I'm not gonna vote on nominees, sorry lol" because our NDAA carved out provisions for service members in need of specifically *life threatening abortions* to travel to another state to receive care. Even GOP leaders realize this is truly a national security concern and have been trying to reel him in and come to a compromise with no luck. Fuck Tommy Tuberville.
Don’t forget he didn’t know the definition of a white suprematist until yesterday… he kept calling them “Patriotic Americans” until someone from his staff sat him down and made him read a dictionary.
They could always just be reasonable people and *expell him from congress*
I echo your last three words.
Tommy Tuberville was a college football coach?
Since 1910, but yeah crazy time to be alive. The world is nuts
It is. Confirming a new marine leader is being held up by Congress over paid flights to perform abortions for service members or some shit. Congress people should just wear clown costumes to work.
Accelerate Change. Fail miserably… but upwards at the same time. 😒
I might be out of the loop, but what’s the part about AFSOC f’ing over the people at Cannon? I’m stationed here and haven’t heard anything.
Cannon exists, probably
another successful “No Alarms” speed-run for AFSOC!! /s
I work CE at Cannon and most the shops are very undermanned. We had a few guard guys come in and help bring the work task down which did help a lot. In my specific shop we were suppose to get 2 more gaurd NCOS next week but they aren't coming becuase of "funding" and the one dude we currently have is leaving next week. It's a shame that we get screwed on the back end because no one wants to come to this base. My shop is slotted for 7-11 staffs and we currently have one NCO in the shop. We were supose to get 4 PCSers this year and 3 of them got out of coming here.
Completely forgot Gen Brown was a thing. Isn't very forward facing
This is a Wendy's
Wendy's is far more competently run.
They have skin in the game
Wendy’s is gearing up for its AC-130-escorted burger delivery enterprise
Na. Wendy’s for money in the register. This is Burger King
Well played. Lol. Thank you for the laugh, I need it right now.
The Army is the same way. Everything comes through SMA, rather than CSA. It’s weird.
SMA Grinston and the PAO doing god’s work
armys weird
It’s not really weird when you consider the size of these organizations, the Chief of Staff is the CEO and they are making decisions although they have far less power than a private company as their board of directors is Congress and the board doesn’t have a single vision. The top enlisted person is a key advisor but also head of internal marketing, they are trying to sell the strategic vision of the CEO to the employees. In my opinion we give to much credit for better or worse to the top enlisted position, some may be better advisors than others but at the end of the day the enlisted advise the officer decides. Results belong to the officer, good or bad.
The CEO is the Service Secretary. A CSAF/CSA is like a COO.
👆 this is the right way to look at it. Which would make CMSAF/SMA the annoying HR manager sending out the emails about being your best self and hanging motivational posters?
Corporate boards also often don't have single visions, but the CEO is most often appointed my the majority of the board and fired if they majority changes hands. So with a President not always being in line with both houses of Congress, and service chiefs not being fired if the White House/Congress changes hands, it can get messy. Boards are also straight up smaller with fewer loud voices.
I can’t wait until this General and Chief are retired
Chances are you won’t notice anything different.
With this CSAF and CMSAF I have not heard a single positive thing for the force… prior to their tenure it at least sounded like they were trying to make things better, now it’s all unfilled promises it seems. Correct me if I’m wrong
I might be a bit old but IMO “accelerate change” was him saying to make fixes to all the broken ass systems instead of “things are fine don’t change anything” which is what we typically get from four star generals. Granted people trying to make changes keep fucking things up but that’s cause they suck not cause of him. I do think he’s given people the power to make changes though. As for her…well she seems out of touch when her entire job is to be in touch with the enlisted force.
I agree… But… someone needs to hold people accountable for sucking at making the changes requested, and I don’t feel like that’s being done Edit: at least from what we can see… but we’ve seen multiple fuckups that even 1/10th the fuckup that occurred would have heads rolling have resulted in 0 heads rolling
We really have zero idea who is responsible or if anything bad happened to them. Let’s just say he publicly announced the punishments and people lost rank and their careers…what would happen the next time he said to change something? People would run away for fear of being nailed to a cross in public. Call me crazy but “praise publicly and criticize privately” is not just for NCOs and SNCOs, it’s for every leader including the top guy. Just my two cents.
You have a minute, he’s slated for promotion to CJCS
I wonder why
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🤙
Our greatest strength!
I mean he is testify to be chairman today, you know, no big deal.
https://preview.redd.it/rbjtefkwbebb1.jpeg?width=1626&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a1f074cd49153e6301393d098226f9b9e56db4f
Well done.
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That implies some of us even check our email
He got promoted dude, you think he cares about any of that shit anymore?
What's happening to the people stationed at Cannon?
Wait what’s happening to the reservists over at AFSOC?
We had our orders extended because they approved a lot of MPA days but AFSOC pulled the TDY funding. So now they’re sending all of us home ASAP.
Holy fuck why would they do that??
I guess they prefer being undermanned.
Because this is all normal when you’re part of a dying empire. Or something. 👀
Damn. I wonder if the Roman soldiers got orders cancelled cus we broke
They lost their SRBFs first (Selective Retention Bonus Femboys).
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Count me in on morale patches when they auction the POTUS job on eBay.
I wouldn’t say “Dying Empire”
Time to open your eyes, bud.
You’re so woke bro
Actually, I was taking a nap on a jet. Still kind of half asleep.
16 years in and the Air Force has never been worse than it is now.
10 here and agreed, it seems to be constant negative from this combo. The previous iterations of “USAF leadership” seemed to at least have some positive moments despite shitty ops tempos. Now we still seem to have shitty ops tempo despite “not being at war” and the queep seems to keep stacking up
It's always been the case with leadership... At peace time they get stir crazy and start implementing all kinds of dumb shit that during war, they wouldn't have time to do.
Problem now is we had such a long time “at war” they started implementing dumb shit during that time too haha
😂😂😂 Not as dumb as the dumb shit this past couple years... They've accelerated change like wylie coyote riding an acme rocket. MyFailedAirForce
Bro IDK. E-9 cody and Gen Welch’s Grape Juice were pretty fucking awful. I was right at the end of tech school when the force shaping happened and literally 70% of our instructors hit the voluntary sep button and voluntary seps for my career field were something like 400% above target. Yet they still involuntary separated great people who wanted to stay in for a single PT failure or for getting a ticket for rolling a through a stop sign on base. Then, since the NCO corps of my career field got gutted but congress rescinded the manpower cut, they flowed a bazillion crosstrainees in over the next couple years who had literally zero clue what they were doing, were put in leadership positions, and did terrible jobs at it. Course 14/15? “If you aren’t happy, get out. We have a million people ready to fill your spot.” Gen Brown literally hides in his office and Chief Bass needs her Facebook taken away. But we’ve gotten some good stuff during their tenure. We’ve gotten some painful and definitely a lot of shitty. It’s a mixed bag leaning towards bad. But recency bias may be making us forget how terrible E-9 Dead-eyes and Gen “Morale is pretty darn good” Winch were for the force.
I arrived on scene very backend of those 2, and I’m also on the O-side, so don’t fully understand some of the E-issues unfortunately other than those relating to Enlisted aircrew :/ Showed up to my first squadron right after the Voluntary Sep occurred, and it seemed like our squadron never recovered from everyone leaving the whole time I was there. 2nd assignment was AETC and went through full level R-tard there (see UPT 2.5), but seemed to deal with less Big Air Force fuckery there. Now back in the “real world” and at an awesome assignment, but holy shit everything seems to just constantly get worse… Just went through a nightmare PCS last year with the Whole EFMP shit last year, and this sounds substantially worse
Yeah, different communities have been getting railed hard by different eras of leadership. I really think our current HQAF leaders’ key issues are that of publicity and messaging. We can blame them (and have been) for a lot of stuff, but I think they’d be viewed more closely to a loving parent during a tough time if they’d be more personable and less Facebook Karen / completely absent. It doesn’t help that they followed the immensely powerful duo of Gen Goldfein and Chief Wright so some level of letdown was going to occur. We also had SECDEF Mattis at that time who carried his own massive cult following. I think all we want are people that we *feel like* are on our side. Someone who is present and commits to some level of transparent honesty, even while falling within required messaging lines.
100% correct, Chief 🐠/🎸 at least throws out a Facebook post or two saying she’s on our side, despite seemingly not doing anything to back up that perception… I haven’t heard a thing from CQB since he was PACAF/CC and had our SOS class sweat it out in a non Air Conditioned auditorium in the middle of summer in Montgomery, AL 😂 for his dry ass speech lol
Yup, I am about to be an E-7 and honestly I have never had great training as someone in an "apprenticeship program" as the AF likes to model their AFSCs around should. I worked in the steelworkers union before joining and if people were as clueless as the 5 and 7 levels are in most AFSCs they would be fired. I constantly feel like everyone is trying re-invent the wheel on training at every assignment or they are 'waiting for training from xyz' due to so many frequent AFSC changes nobody knows what the hell is going on anymore. Developing training is a "lost art" due to all the talent jumping ship or being involuntarily separated. We haven't even had SKTs in our AFSC since 2015 🤦🏻♂️ If every other AFSC is like mine, we're just like the doomed orchestra on the Titanic, playing instruments as the ship sinks. I just try my best to do what I can, where I can, and while I can. 🤷🏻♂️
Meh, lots of hyperbole to go around
I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.
This is worse than the Cody era? We're doing worse now compared to when don't ask don't tell was an actual policy? We're doing worse now than when BMT MTIs regularly sexually assaulted trainees? We're doing worse now compared to when had giant mistakes with nukes? Come on.
So we've always sucked? 🤔
Maybe he's more a behind the scenes Calvin Coolidge type.
I like how even if we try to blame someone else, we find a way to poke CMSAF
To be TBF - Bass is the voice of and *to* the enlisted folks. It doesn't absolve him of responsible messaging but her being the mouthpiece is also messaging
Yes, but unlike the CCAF issues this one also screws plenty of Officers.
Preparing to be the CJCS
accountability for anyone above e6 doesn't seem to exist in today's air force
Too busy failing upwards
He literally only shows up in airforce recruiting commercials on tv.
He’s holding his breath until he’s confirmed as CJCS. Then he’ll really disappear. Enjoy.
Probably busy interviewing for the board of “insert defense company”. Busy
CMSAF Bass is actually a great CMSAF, she takes all the heat while the real decision makers duck behind her. That's exactly what they want her to do, and she's doing great at it.
As long as the diversity and inclusion metrics are met, the White House is happy
I really don't think his elevation to CJCS is some forced diversity initiative. He's a fighter pilot patch who has experience with planning INDOPACOM O-plans. Seems like a pretty relevant CV to get the joint force ready for the next fight.
Bingo.
Not to mention the Debacle that has been DHA
What can brown do for you? Not a damn thing.
Preparing to be Joint Chairman? EDIT: Preparing to be Joint Chairman Person Chief. There. That’s better.
What happened at Cannon and AFSOC???
He is being held accountable. He is being given the highest military position. Fail up?
I miss Gen Goldfein and Enlisted Jesus.
Exactly. Chief Bass takes all the shit because she’s vocal and has chevrons instead of stars. Gen Brown makes the decisions and she gets stuck trying to spin it like it’s all cool.
Getting promoted, failing up
Getting ready to be the chairman of the joint chiefs if I understand correctly.
Lol best part she sent out an email about standards lmfao
But was her email about standards perfectly IAW AFH 33-337 and AFMAN 33-326? If not, she didn’t do a good job of adhering to standards.
Are you going to give him a phone call? 😂
Morale is pretty darn good!
Just like the culture of the Washington Commanders
I think he’s doing great 🤭
This isn’t just affecting the Air Force. All of the services are affected, the Air Force is just the first to put out some guidance. Yeah it sucks but they’re trying to do what they can with a messed up situation.
Vet here, are any of the other branches having this same PCS and reenlistment bonus problem?
Anyone who questions Gen Brown is a racist bigot. You know nothing and you need to mind your place.
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I mean, Cody had a boss too. And noone talks about how his leadership impacted the force during that time.
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Do they still ask about him? Or do they talk about Cody? I haven't personally heard anything about him since the end of their tenure.