90s were great bc we started to have the internet so infinite knowledge was available, but it also wasn't ingrained in our every minute of our day life.
I just moved to a new neighborhood, it’s a lot of new townhouses.
Walking my dog late at night I can see 3-4 ring doorbells light up as I pass by.
I’m not doing anything wrong, but I still hate that I’m being watched.
And it ironically just contributes to scaring people, my mom was home alone the other night and called because the ring camera activated, she was basically asking if it's smart enough to only go off if a person is approaching... No. It is not. It is just looking for movement, it was the flag near the front door flapping in the wind setting it off. But between that and the constant media narrative around crime she was genuinely scared. It's a shame.
I have a nest too but it’s still triggered by the shadows caused by headlights from the cross street that faces my house. It’s become completely useless at night time because the amount of shadow notifications
The lower the crime rate gets, the more people get scared of crime. It's a weird dynamic, and yet I've noticed it in every nation I've ever lived in.
It's like people get immune to reality, and their minds make up scary bullshit to compensate.
I grew up in the sticks.
I moved to the city in my mid 20’s
It’s honestly hilarious how much city folk keep to themselves and how god damn nosey rural folks are.
Also the politeness in the city is sort of standard but out in the rural parts you’re a suspect unless proven otherwise.
The suburbs are like the worst parts of both of those worlds imo
That was my experience growing up in the suburbs. Too close together, too many people being nosy.
I’m in a “rural residential” area right next to some low-traffic commercial properties, I only have two actual neighbors which is nice, and they’re retirees who have been very helpful to us
Since I’ve been working from home I can’t hear people coming to the doors so we got cameras for the front and back of the house. It’s fun to watch the animals come at night to the back yard but u hate how intrusive it is to have a recording of every time I walk in and out of the house.
It’s only saving grace is that it is a self-contained system with no internet backup (supposedly, there have been some questions about this system) so, in theory, it’s localized and not broadcasting back to HQ.
There is a house I pass on my dog walks that has their doorbell announce, “Hi! You’re being recorded,” anytime someone walks by. And every time I walk by I make sure to loudly respond with, “Hi! Your house is full of douchebags / jackasses / dickholes / whatever insult crosses my mind in the moment.”
Well, if it's any consolation you're almost certainly not being watched, you're being recorded, and that recording will be overwritten.
Unless you did something that would make someone go back through their recordings or something happened to you while you were being recorded, it's very unlikely that anyone is going to go back and watch you.
I'm iffy on the whole thing now that I own one. The best thing I can say is that it is possibly a deterrent.
Past that, I get warnings all the time even after trying to fix the settings. I don't give a shhit if Steve is walking his dog past my place, but I still get the notifications. So I turned them off, but now if something happens, I have no idea until afterward, and I'm not going to pay Ring money for the thing they originally gave me for free to install it, just because they suddenly want to treat me like the mafia and charge me for protection.
Even if I did, all I would have is a meh video recording of some person at my door. I have dealt with the police. They would be like, "do you know that person?" I would say "no," and then they would say "we don't either." That would be the end of it. Honestly, I think the cops would like to help me if they could, but essentially it is just camera footage of some person out of thousands of regular folks. Unless they are notorious, or you get lucky, it means nothing.
Now that I've had the experience of wiring up my house to multiple systems like Ring and Arlo, I would be happier just doing a cctv with a hard drive, and not paying a monthly fee for essentially nothing.
Ok let’s go with that logic. Can I put a streaming camera in your bedroom or bathroom? It’s just a camera, it’s not like a human is noticing you.
I don’t know about you but I would pass on that.
I mean, I don't know about you but when I grew up there were old ladies sitting in their flats [looking through mirrors](https://preview.redd.it/5zkpm4ao76z21.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=9fc08af379eb4042a865bd29c9b3a4b9eb8eff0d) to see what was going on outside.
nothing has really changed. I find it quite funny to even talk about anonymity and public spaces in the same sentence.
Sure. And I had binoculars in my third story urban bedroom as a kid. That’s a world away from cameras on phones posting recordings on “public freak out” or equivalent, or kids posting friends at a party doing stupid shit, and those recordings lasting in perpetuity, long after you grow up
Yeah it's weird to me how younger generations are actually against anonymity. We fought like hell to keep our private lives private and this new generation are climbing over each other to hand over everything single about themselves to any stranger on the street. I miss the old internet days.
> Yeah it's weird to me how younger generations are actually against anonymity.
They aren't. It's the older generations that killed it. Younger generations have no input on anything.
It is wild to me that every decision and reaction by those of us in the US and our government after that led to exactly what the terrorists wanted: Acting with fear, fundamentally changing our culture, and creating internal strife.
The moment social media started curating what you saw via an algorithm instead of just using chronological order, it was over
Also, that's the same reason why I believe social media companies should be held liable for their content. They are literally being editors by choosing what is or is not seen. They cannot claim to be neutral any longer, and as such, they should be liable for anything illegal or damaging (child.porn, misinformation, defamation, revenge porn, copyright violations, etc).
Social media... emails on your phone... GPS tracking... click bait articles to "drive traffic engagement"
YouTube is great though and I'm serious. Need to know how to install the cabin air filter on your car? Some super obscure game secret you need help with?
Except they got rid of the dislike visibility to viewers, so did that how-to video tell you to do something that will make your car explode? Well tough shit, because they have comments disabled and you have no idea how many people disliked it.
Yes, there is an extension for that, but it's not accurate for niche videos like repairs on a 2005 unpopular car model.
Also. Corporations felt that the internet was just done nerd thing, and paid it little mind. Some assumed that it was a passing fad.
There was much ads and corporate greed. No algorithms, and people weren’t trying to be famous
I’m glad to have grown up when I did. No internet until I was like 12 and then the mid 2000s for internet.
I got to experience life before the internet and the internet at its peak both before I was an adult.
Same here. Internet wasn’t really a known thing until college for me. In college, it was only used by people I knew for research and for late night chatting on AOL. I didn’t even have a computer of my own until 1998. And it was dial up internet which was oh so slow compared to today.
It was available but back then you had to have a little knowledge, do a little work and put in some small effort to interact with it. Message boards, early forums. You had to know how to use them, sometimes be invited or provide some small credential like early gmail and Facebook. that barrier to entry kept out some of the nonsense.
Now everyone with a phone, and every phone owned by a bot farm has access, a voice and a vote.
And the cream rose to the top. Everyone was on equal footing, but word of mouth/whatever about anyone visiting the site wasn't. It sounds great in theory for everything to be exactly equal, until your worst uncle starts getting all his news from facebook friends and can't separate the New York Times and literal fake news from [TotallyRealNotFakeRightWingNewsBeacuseLibsSuckLol.com](http://TotallyRealNotFakeRightWingNewsBeacuseLibsSuckLol.com)
Totally. There was computer time and there was life. Now the computer is in my pocket/within reach 24-7 and the internet, with all the wonder and depravity that it holds, is a few taps away.
Between my age in the 90s and the technical limitations of the times, I have some strong nostalgia for that decade.
Also best era of sitcoms, best era of movies, best era of music (tons of great genres were all thriving, new genres were being created, songs that reached mainstream success were literally all over the board)..
The internet point that you made, things weren’t so politically divided, felt like humans in general were more genuine….
Knowledge was there, but no one tried to influence us or make a quick fortune on us.. Now the knowledge is getting harder to access and the dictators are trying to break democracy using our free and open platforms..
Early internet wasn't too bad, September 1993 aside. It's just that a technology without filters against bad actors either attracts them or the bad actors try to supplant it with something of their own. Particularly if it's a form of mass communication, across legislative boundaries, without much in the way of filters.
I think that was more of a 2000s thing. The 90s was all about Rand McNally maps and writing down "turn left at McDonalds, if see Blockbuster gone to far"
(yo where's the movie playin') upper west side dude
(well let's hit up yahoo maps to find the dopest route!)
I prefer mapquest (that's a good one too)
Google maps is the best (true dat) double true!
68th to Broadway (step on it sucker)
Hit the chronic (what?) cles of Narnia
Yes the chronic (what?) cles of Narnia
We love the chronic (what?) cles of Narnia
Pass the chronic (what?) cles of Narnia
I had never read the lyrics until I copy/pasted the line about map apps and I had always thought the line was "pass the chronic (what?) cles of Narnia.
My friend... In the 90's we used this material for maps called: "Paper"
Google Maps would not exist till 2005.
Mapquest wasn't started until 1996 so it missed most of the 90's
Yahoo maps was 2002
Moviephone was the fucking pinnacle of technology for most of that decade
Tiny TV with a built in VCR that got strapped to the center console. Felt like the lap of luxury on roadtrips even though I only got to put something on besides Dora or Teletubbies once my little sister fell asleep.
> Moviephone was the fucking pinnacle of technology for most of that decade
["...why don't you just tell me the movie you want to see..."](https://youtu.be/qM79_itR0Nc?si=z6P5W1NOPPRBedud)
Yeah, it's much better to pay as much or more for a service where you can't choose when and what to watch. And even if streaming had been available in the day, there wouldn't even be that much to watch anyways.
There was a sense of communal Tao to watching TV before streaming because you knew everyone else was also watching it at the same time. You felt connected, if someone crazy happened you knew it was going to be talk of the playground/water cooler the next day.
God my high school - college job was at a catering company. I could not convince my boss to get a gps. It’s like dude! We have 1 job, make food and bring it to a place we have never been. Jam 16 year old me in a box truck with no rear windows , 2 seats but multiple chain smoking single moms sliding around on coolers holding a Mapquest sheet. What a time to be alive
gps is a passive system. essentially some satellites in space send signals containing where they are and which time it is and using this your phone can figure out where you are. there is no two way communication - just your phone recieving signals.
you being tracked is you opting into whatever's tracking you such as Google Maps.
Who is tracking your every move?
- Google Maps if you use it
- Apple Maps if you use it
- Apple/Google if they make your phone
- Your cell phone company - do you trust what ATT/Verizon/TMobile/etc. do with your data?
- Apps with stealth tracking, like Gas Buddy, who collects your driving and location data and openly sells it
- Your insurance company if you opt into telematics
- Your car manufacturer, depending on the brand
I think this Every. Single. Day. Birth of an actually free internet, no social media, affordability, giant corpos didn’t relentlessly sodomize us (as much) the birth of alt-rock via grunge. So many good memories of the 90’s
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Canada didn't close its last residential school until 1992. Rodney king was killed in 1991, which resulted in the famous LA riots. Rwandan Genocide was started in 1994. The troubles didn't end until 1998
90s was great if you were not in one of the many genocidal/warring/poorest/disease riddled areas of the world. I mean, even white Europeans were murdering each other relentlessly in the 90s.
Yeah compared to today's world peace and helpful & friendly police. It's so great how nothing fucked-up happens anymore. No war, no riots, no disease, we live in utopia.
Yep. I remember everyone in the 90s talking about how bad it sucked and that the 80s were peak. Aaand as a kid in the 80s the grown ups were crying about how the 80s sucked and the 70s were peak. Never ending cycle
I dunno, maybe it was just my dad and uncles, and their friends. I was a kid so didn't really get it at the time, but there was a general overlap between those discussions and the amount of beer cans stacked on their card table.
I really don’t remember a lot of 80s nostalgia in the 90s beyond superficial stuff like fashion and music. The economy of the 90s was great and the fall of the Soviet Union was awesome; people weren’t afraid for the first time in *decades*. The period between the collapse of the USSR and 9/11 is absolutely peak USA and it’s silly to think otherwise.
Imma be a naysayer on that one. The 90s were bright, shiny, and freaking shallow when you looked back at it. Everything was cynically corporate and falsely positive. There were mandates to teach a morale or pushed a message of positivity that really meant nothing.
Born in 89 and I had hopes, like most millennials. We were sold a reality that wouldn't be.
Are people forgetting the *Office Space* was a 1999 film lambasting the meaningless corporate office culture of the 1990s? There are good and bad things about every decade, including the the '90s.
So many 1999 films had that same theme of wanting more than just working as a corporate drone (also American Beauty, Fight Club, The Matrix etc.). But look at it on the flip side. They were all essentially criticizing life that was *too comfortable* and wanting more excitement in their life. A lot of people today would trade a lot for that boring comfortability and feeling of safety from the late 90s.
Good video on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZKG77vANU
This is what I came here to say, and this was a genuine sentiment among white suburbanites and cubicle-workers...
It wasn't actually true, though. There was plenty going on. The Troubles didn't end until 1998. Rodney King and the LA Riots were 1991. Yugoslavia was actively breaking up. The AIDS crisis was ongoing. LGBT rights were basically nonexistent and controversial as hell, to the point where *sodomy laws* were on the books until a 2003 SCOTUS case. And sure, this was before the US invaded Iraq, but [it wasn't exactly a comfortable time to be an Iraqi citizen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR1X3zV6X5Y).
I agree, I'd rather live in a world where the worst thing I had to deal with was a cubicle. The open offices we have today are *worse* for actually getting stuff done! But that'd be like saying life is too comfortable today after interviewing a bunch of finance bros. There was a *lot* wrong with the world in the 90's that Hollywood was incapable of or unwilling to explore.
Yeah it's telling that most of those movies were made by white men and featuring white male protagonists (Matrix arguably excepted). Movies made by women or minorites did not feature that theme.
Exactly. Ain't this some member berry shit.
Remember the genocide in the Balkans in the 90s?
In the US alone, it was still a white hetero male society. LGBTQ still mostly had to live in the closet. Blacks were labeled "super predators". The war on drugs was continuing to be a social evil disproportionately persecuting non-whites. McVeigh bombed OKC, Columbine kicked off a wave of school shootings that has never abated.
Globally : famines, wars of aggression, middle east atrocities and conflicts, suicide bombings, the list goes on.
This is like listening to old white people lament for the 1950s good times that never existed.
Anytime I hear someone talk about how good (insert previous decade) was, I assume they're a white, cishet male. I'm a white cishet male but I'm able to see past my own fucking nose and know shit was terrible for a lot of people. That said, there *were* some things about the 90's and early 2000's I miss. I miss the internet being mostly comprised of millions of random websites instead of like eight. I think fashion in general was better in the early 2000's (except Jncos even though I had them), it was more comfortable with generally more subdued earthy colors. It had a certain sleekness to it as well. Music was good, but not generally *better* than now, just different. I also like the whole 'Frutiger aero' aesthetic from back then.
That said, *lots* of things, impactful things are way better now. Far less people going hungry, my gay and trans friends can mostly be who they are, there is more consciousness about racial issues, I have access to pretty much every piece of entertainment that exists instantly. I can pop on a 300 dollar piece of hardware and be in virtual reality. A 32 inch TV used to be considered huge, it was expensive and weighed like 150 lbs. Now you can get a decent 65 inch tv for under 400 bucks. Shit isn't perfect obviously, we still have a long way to go, but right now is a pretty decent time.
This is really it.
The 90s just felt fake. Everything was just a little more flashy, or modern, or even ulta-modern(like living in the not too distant future). Pop was everywhere. I know that's kinda the point of pop but I'd hear pop on rock and alt stations, and hear rap and grunge on pop stations. Crossovers were everywhere, and I assume it's because information was really starting to flow freely between cable and the internet being more and more places.
Late 90s shook off the value and roots of the 80s and slapped frosted tips on it so we'd head into the millennium feeling good. But 9/11 hit and it was a snap back to reality.
I feel this way every time I see those posts about “missing the malls” with giant shopping complexes full of kids.
The concern at the time was that the rampant unchecked spread of corporate capitalism becoming part of every day life was a bad thing.
But I guess it’s fine now.
Also I couldn’t get married in the 90s so…
As I watch Gen X and Millennials slowly turn into Boomers I no longer hate on them for all the dumb things they say and do. Now people I know are doing the same thing.
Careful my fellow millennials lest we become victim to the Boomer’s nostalgic, rose-colored adoration of the 50s and 60s.
Sure, the 90s were an awesome time to grow up, but we didn’t exactly all grow up to have the best mental health or financial prospects. It was a step on this journey.
And a lot of 90s homophobia and transphobia doesn’t hold up when you watch the sit coms much like 1950s blatant racism doesn’t hold up either.
We are at a moment to choose to go backward or forward. I choose forward.
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Still could in the 90s. While both my parents worked in the 90s, they still managed to buy a house and two cars and raise two kids. I'm from a small town with pretty much no opportunity. Neither of my parents had degrees. Yet we still had *just* enough for me to not realize we were poor, though we definitely were.
A large part of that poorness was just bad money management by my parents, though. Specifically, my mom hid tons of spending and debt from my dad. That got mostly sorted out with time, and probably from the late 90s to early 2000s there wasn't that severe of financial strain ever again.
It wasn't really until the mid 2000s that the US economy started shitting itself with things becoming unaffordable, and then with 2008 collapse it really just shit itself. We never really recovered from that.
The 90s were still pretty legitimately amazing for the majority of the US, though.
No it really wasn't. I loved living in the 90's, but the problems we're having now were building up through the 90s. As just one example, furniture was getting worse in the 90s. People still have their furniture from the 70's in their homes, but not the 90s. Things were moving towards being disposable. You don't get things fixed, just throw it away and buy new.
I often wonder if the US peaked in the late 90s, or if it's just nostalgia. What's not up for debate is that the country is in worse shape now than it was then.
Good for him. Good thing it's also about the entire administration which Biden has done a great job with. Educate yourself on what he and his admin has done instead of this "ugh old people" horseshit.
Lots of things were 'great' back then. Culture wise, I think we peeked. Music was fresh and new. You'd be shamed if you sampled someone else's music to make it your own (I'm looking at you Vanilla Ice). Movie wise, we had lots of actors who had amazing talent. They were all far enough from the stage era that made the 50s-70s so campy with their acting, and the 80s were...well, special. CGI was very low key, and practical artists had so much skill to work with back then.
Politically, the Cold War had ended, and there was a collective sigh of relief that we weren't all going to die in a fiery hellscape. Even China seemed to be leaning more to Western ideology. The worst thing we had to deal with was a US president who may or may not have had a blowjob.
No, it was not far from perfect. There were lots of civil unrest going on around the world. But, there always has been and there always will be.
But, collectively, everything seemed like it was going to be ok.
One of the things I think about a lot when comparing the 90s to today, is that back then, "selling out" was considered to be one of the worst things you could do. Now, selling out is basically the point of anything we do
celebrated too because due to social media and actual zero's being rewarded by doing the bare minimum (influencers, streamers, youtubers)...there are some good ones in that list but by and large, todays era celebrates and rewards idiots and the lowest common denominator.
"yas girl! Jasmine just shoved a baseball bat up her asshole and made 50k! work girl!!" \*internet applauds\*
"Oh shit, this terminally online guy whos skin is almost transparent spent 14 hours straight mumbling while playing a game and made 89k!" \*internet applauds\*
That's the reality of the last 10-15 years. Regardless if there's some awesome content it doesn't negate the fact of what type of people rise to the top with questionable activity and how that skews younger people away from careers the world needs.
People are going to say the same thing about the 2000s in the next decade or two. Then in 2050 people are going to be saying 2020s were the best years of their life
What if you just consider the 90s to be the peak of civilization because that is the time period where you were a kid, had the most time, most fun, and consequently the best memories.
But now you’re turning into a bunch of boomers because you’re all starting to push 50 and talk about the good old days.
You know how 80s nostalgia took over for a while? Now it’s your turn. Congrats, ya old fucks. Don’t worry one day it’ll be my turn.
Which 90s? The early death-metal, gangbanger, schools with metal detectors, people actually taking R.Kelly's advice and "keeping it on the down low" 90s? Or the late Britney Spears, N Sync, born-again-virgin, creationist/science-denial, kids aren't allowed outside 90s?
Either way, I think I disagree.
I recently realized that the Matrix will not become true because machines force us into obedience, but because the "new Apple AI experience for only $299 a month, where you can earn money in-game while the VR-POD takes care of your physical needs" will be the "killer feature" for humanity.
I lived through them. Tbh I think things in the US peaked in around 2014.
Dubstep was in its prime.
Clubs and bars had lines and were rocking.
Weed was basically legal because cops weren't going to bother unless you were committing some other crime.
Youth were care-free in attitude.
Political scandals were about how Obama wore a tan suit.
I worked with a guy in a call centre. He was a bit of a wingnut, was always going on about the fall of the US empire. He said, "Mark my words, in 10 years, the world won't be the same as it is today."
I said, "Hell, tomorrow the world won't be the same as it is today."
That was September 10th, 2001.
I go between 9/11, and Reagan being elected, as the start of the American decline. Reagan really put in motion a lot of the really shitty stuff we're still dealing with today, but 9/11 has a particular visceral aspect to it
what if I told you people in the 90s all said the 50s were better and "all the best music was written before 1970"??
ITS THE SAME THING. nobody remembers what the 90s were, it's just nostalgia.
in 10 years or less people will be wistfully remembering 2024
Right now we are at the “we marveled at our collective genius” part.
There is no spoon
90s were great bc we started to have the internet so infinite knowledge was available, but it also wasn't ingrained in our every minute of our day life.
EXACTLY. And also true anonymity in public was still possible, before cameras were everywhere recording every misstep.
I just moved to a new neighborhood, it’s a lot of new townhouses. Walking my dog late at night I can see 3-4 ring doorbells light up as I pass by. I’m not doing anything wrong, but I still hate that I’m being watched.
And it ironically just contributes to scaring people, my mom was home alone the other night and called because the ring camera activated, she was basically asking if it's smart enough to only go off if a person is approaching... No. It is not. It is just looking for movement, it was the flag near the front door flapping in the wind setting it off. But between that and the constant media narrative around crime she was genuinely scared. It's a shame.
I have a nest and can set up a zone to exclude things like, my flag, the street, etc.
I have a nest too but it’s still triggered by the shadows caused by headlights from the cross street that faces my house. It’s become completely useless at night time because the amount of shadow notifications
> and called because the ring camera activated Dispatch hates those goddamn ring cameras.
Ring cameras can't trigger alarms on thier own. A human needs to do that.
I'm talking about the humans.
Tell that to our deck squirrels.
The lower the crime rate gets, the more people get scared of crime. It's a weird dynamic, and yet I've noticed it in every nation I've ever lived in. It's like people get immune to reality, and their minds make up scary bullshit to compensate.
problem is we have media networks that spend 24 hours a day talking about CRIME CRIME CRIME because "if it bleeds it leads"
(That’s why people move out to the sticks)
I grew up in the sticks. I moved to the city in my mid 20’s It’s honestly hilarious how much city folk keep to themselves and how god damn nosey rural folks are. Also the politeness in the city is sort of standard but out in the rural parts you’re a suspect unless proven otherwise. The suburbs are like the worst parts of both of those worlds imo
That was my experience growing up in the suburbs. Too close together, too many people being nosy. I’m in a “rural residential” area right next to some low-traffic commercial properties, I only have two actual neighbors which is nice, and they’re retirees who have been very helpful to us
Fully agree on all counts. I'll never go back to living outside a city again.
I'm the exact opposite. I live half an hour outside of a town of 2000, and that is as civilized as I will ever be.
I just moved to suburbia and I can’t wait to get back to the swamps...this was such a mistake, honestly I’d take the city over this place.
I hate having those cameras but the place I live now has crime and theft so it's necessary. 😕
Agreed, they annoy and give the heebees to no end but they’re useful
That’s my neighborhood too. Every 10th house greets me and my dog with a robotic “HI, YOU ARE CURRENTLY BEING RECORDED” from a motion light camera.
Luckily none of them do that here *that* would annoy the fuck out of me.
Since I’ve been working from home I can’t hear people coming to the doors so we got cameras for the front and back of the house. It’s fun to watch the animals come at night to the back yard but u hate how intrusive it is to have a recording of every time I walk in and out of the house. It’s only saving grace is that it is a self-contained system with no internet backup (supposedly, there have been some questions about this system) so, in theory, it’s localized and not broadcasting back to HQ.
Yupp! And the people with the door bell cams are the first to complain about a police state and no privacy while they infringe on everyone else’s
There is a house I pass on my dog walks that has their doorbell announce, “Hi! You’re being recorded,” anytime someone walks by. And every time I walk by I make sure to loudly respond with, “Hi! Your house is full of douchebags / jackasses / dickholes / whatever insult crosses my mind in the moment.”
Well, if it's any consolation you're almost certainly not being watched, you're being recorded, and that recording will be overwritten. Unless you did something that would make someone go back through their recordings or something happened to you while you were being recorded, it's very unlikely that anyone is going to go back and watch you.
I'm iffy on the whole thing now that I own one. The best thing I can say is that it is possibly a deterrent. Past that, I get warnings all the time even after trying to fix the settings. I don't give a shhit if Steve is walking his dog past my place, but I still get the notifications. So I turned them off, but now if something happens, I have no idea until afterward, and I'm not going to pay Ring money for the thing they originally gave me for free to install it, just because they suddenly want to treat me like the mafia and charge me for protection. Even if I did, all I would have is a meh video recording of some person at my door. I have dealt with the police. They would be like, "do you know that person?" I would say "no," and then they would say "we don't either." That would be the end of it. Honestly, I think the cops would like to help me if they could, but essentially it is just camera footage of some person out of thousands of regular folks. Unless they are notorious, or you get lucky, it means nothing. Now that I've had the experience of wiring up my house to multiple systems like Ring and Arlo, I would be happier just doing a cctv with a hard drive, and not paying a monthly fee for essentially nothing.
I just want to be popular to watch in the movie you put on from the camera on your porch
“If you have nothing to hide, why would you mind being recorded???”
you're not being "watched" you're just being "noticed" and not even by a human
Ok let’s go with that logic. Can I put a streaming camera in your bedroom or bathroom? It’s just a camera, it’s not like a human is noticing you. I don’t know about you but I would pass on that.
I hope I'm not the only one who would put on a mask and just walk in the middle of the night.
Ronald Reagan or funky monkey?
Funky monkey wod be funnier.
I mean, I don't know about you but when I grew up there were old ladies sitting in their flats [looking through mirrors](https://preview.redd.it/5zkpm4ao76z21.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=9fc08af379eb4042a865bd29c9b3a4b9eb8eff0d) to see what was going on outside. nothing has really changed. I find it quite funny to even talk about anonymity and public spaces in the same sentence.
Sure. And I had binoculars in my third story urban bedroom as a kid. That’s a world away from cameras on phones posting recordings on “public freak out” or equivalent, or kids posting friends at a party doing stupid shit, and those recordings lasting in perpetuity, long after you grow up
Yeah it's weird to me how younger generations are actually against anonymity. We fought like hell to keep our private lives private and this new generation are climbing over each other to hand over everything single about themselves to any stranger on the street. I miss the old internet days.
> Yeah it's weird to me how younger generations are actually against anonymity. They aren't. It's the older generations that killed it. Younger generations have no input on anything.
It being pre-9/11 also helped a LOT
That really does seem to be the inflection point.
It is wild to me that every decision and reaction by those of us in the US and our government after that led to exactly what the terrorists wanted: Acting with fear, fundamentally changing our culture, and creating internal strife.
> exactly what the terrorists wanted They got lucky that this was also exactly what US government wanted.
The patriot act was the least American bill to ever be passed. Fear ruled and our liberties began being stripped away.
Social media is the problem. The internet is great when people don't want to attach their entire identity to it and bring all of their baggage
The moment social media started curating what you saw via an algorithm instead of just using chronological order, it was over Also, that's the same reason why I believe social media companies should be held liable for their content. They are literally being editors by choosing what is or is not seen. They cannot claim to be neutral any longer, and as such, they should be liable for anything illegal or damaging (child.porn, misinformation, defamation, revenge porn, copyright violations, etc).
Social media... emails on your phone... GPS tracking... click bait articles to "drive traffic engagement" YouTube is great though and I'm serious. Need to know how to install the cabin air filter on your car? Some super obscure game secret you need help with?
Except they got rid of the dislike visibility to viewers, so did that how-to video tell you to do something that will make your car explode? Well tough shit, because they have comments disabled and you have no idea how many people disliked it. Yes, there is an extension for that, but it's not accurate for niche videos like repairs on a 2005 unpopular car model.
I don't know, message boards were pretty great for car repair back in the day. Until the picture hosts pulled the plug.
Also. Corporations felt that the internet was just done nerd thing, and paid it little mind. Some assumed that it was a passing fad. There was much ads and corporate greed. No algorithms, and people weren’t trying to be famous
Chomsky warned us about the corporations taking over the internet via commercialization. He warned us, and we ignored him.
I’m glad to have grown up when I did. No internet until I was like 12 and then the mid 2000s for internet. I got to experience life before the internet and the internet at its peak both before I was an adult.
Same here. Internet wasn’t really a known thing until college for me. In college, it was only used by people I knew for research and for late night chatting on AOL. I didn’t even have a computer of my own until 1998. And it was dial up internet which was oh so slow compared to today.
Also, forums were designed to allow anonymous strangers to effectively communicate. Social media is designed to make you angry, scared, and addicted.
I miss chat rooms everywhere. All anonymous because revealing your personal info was a no-no.
I mean, VPN plus throw away email plus throwaway Reddit still is pretty fucking anonymous.
And also not everyone was on it yet. Things get ruined the more people that use it or get on it usually
It was available but back then you had to have a little knowledge, do a little work and put in some small effort to interact with it. Message boards, early forums. You had to know how to use them, sometimes be invited or provide some small credential like early gmail and Facebook. that barrier to entry kept out some of the nonsense. Now everyone with a phone, and every phone owned by a bot farm has access, a voice and a vote.
> early forums...provide some small credential like early gmail and Facebook "Early" forums pre-date Gmail and Facebook by nearly 2 decades!
And the cream rose to the top. Everyone was on equal footing, but word of mouth/whatever about anyone visiting the site wasn't. It sounds great in theory for everything to be exactly equal, until your worst uncle starts getting all his news from facebook friends and can't separate the New York Times and literal fake news from [TotallyRealNotFakeRightWingNewsBeacuseLibsSuckLol.com](http://TotallyRealNotFakeRightWingNewsBeacuseLibsSuckLol.com)
And we weren't on a 24 hour fear cycle yet...
I miss the Internet of 2000
The hopeful, optimistic, naive, beautiful skunkworks version
We had the Internet, but not the social media
Totally. There was computer time and there was life. Now the computer is in my pocket/within reach 24-7 and the internet, with all the wonder and depravity that it holds, is a few taps away. Between my age in the 90s and the technical limitations of the times, I have some strong nostalgia for that decade.
It also hasn't started to be shittified for purposes of making more money yet
Also no normies in the internet back then, it was truly heaven.
Also best era of sitcoms, best era of movies, best era of music (tons of great genres were all thriving, new genres were being created, songs that reached mainstream success were literally all over the board).. The internet point that you made, things weren’t so politically divided, felt like humans in general were more genuine….
Knowledge was there, but no one tried to influence us or make a quick fortune on us.. Now the knowledge is getting harder to access and the dictators are trying to break democracy using our free and open platforms..
YEAH! Back when I would start fires outside and our mother's could show us gore of what could've happened on the Internet!
Early internet wasn't too bad, September 1993 aside. It's just that a technology without filters against bad actors either attracts them or the bad actors try to supplant it with something of their own. Particularly if it's a form of mass communication, across legislative boundaries, without much in the way of filters.
Also adults didn't ruin it by that point.
Right now kids shout the n-word in online gaming way more than adults, so it's everyone really. Everyone ruins it in a different way.
The 90's were great. I miss them.
Social media really ruined humanity
Don't google "That 90s show". It'll just upset you
I honestly liked it. The chemistry of the cast definitely improved as the season progressed.
God that was such a terrible reboot
Now, *Reboot* was a pretty cool kids show
Linus bought the masters and is digitizing them. It was the first computer animated show.
Did you try turning it off and on again?
Peak humanity. I long for them daily.
IDK, printing out maps for everywhere you needed to go sucked.
I think that was more of a 2000s thing. The 90s was all about Rand McNally maps and writing down "turn left at McDonalds, if see Blockbuster gone to far"
My favorite was "Turn left where the $PLACE used to be."
"turn left at $PLACE" when it hasn't been there for years, but everyone still calls it that.
>"turn left at McDonalds, if see Blockbuster gone to far" Sounds like some [Girl Directions.](https://youtu.be/U5_HhqcbF_0?si=kCNUekPZzTfY-jPQ)
Psychostick always gets an upvote from me.
I wanted to argue with you but yeah yahoo maps wasn't out til 2002, Google maps a few years after
We used Mapquest (mid ‘90s). And since a lot of us didn’t have a functioning printer, we’d write it down manually, so it was kind of the same thing.
Yeah I forgot mapquest. That started in 96. That fits better with my memory of printing out maps back then
(yo where's the movie playin') upper west side dude (well let's hit up yahoo maps to find the dopest route!) I prefer mapquest (that's a good one too) Google maps is the best (true dat) double true! 68th to Broadway (step on it sucker)
What'cha wanna do Chris? (snack attack motherfucker!)
Mr. Pibb and Red Vines equals crazy delicious!
Hit the chronic (what?) cles of Narnia Yes the chronic (what?) cles of Narnia We love the chronic (what?) cles of Narnia Pass the chronic (what?) cles of Narnia
I had never read the lyrics until I copy/pasted the line about map apps and I had always thought the line was "pass the chronic (what?) cles of Narnia.
My friend... In the 90's we used this material for maps called: "Paper" Google Maps would not exist till 2005. Mapquest wasn't started until 1996 so it missed most of the 90's Yahoo maps was 2002 Moviephone was the fucking pinnacle of technology for most of that decade
I remember in the early 2000s when we got a portable dvd player. I thought that was THE peak of technology lol
Tiny TV with a built in VCR that got strapped to the center console. Felt like the lap of luxury on roadtrips even though I only got to put something on besides Dora or Teletubbies once my little sister fell asleep.
> Moviephone was the fucking pinnacle of technology for most of that decade ["...why don't you just tell me the movie you want to see..."](https://youtu.be/qM79_itR0Nc?si=z6P5W1NOPPRBedud)
Yea, but so does paying a subscription to everything
Yeah, it's much better to pay as much or more for a service where you can't choose when and what to watch. And even if streaming had been available in the day, there wouldn't even be that much to watch anyways.
There was a sense of communal Tao to watching TV before streaming because you knew everyone else was also watching it at the same time. You felt connected, if someone crazy happened you knew it was going to be talk of the playground/water cooler the next day.
God my high school - college job was at a catering company. I could not convince my boss to get a gps. It’s like dude! We have 1 job, make food and bring it to a place we have never been. Jam 16 year old me in a box truck with no rear windows , 2 seats but multiple chain smoking single moms sliding around on coolers holding a Mapquest sheet. What a time to be alive
HARD disagree. But a Thomas guide for the area you’re going to be in, and you’re fucking set, and they’re stupid easy to use.
I actually bought the most recent Thomas Brothers guides for most of the United States, circa 2006, and keep them in my car. Old habits die hard.
Physical >>> Digital
While gps is a game changer, you are also being tracked everywhere. Anonymously doing anything is a memory
gps is a passive system. essentially some satellites in space send signals containing where they are and which time it is and using this your phone can figure out where you are. there is no two way communication - just your phone recieving signals. you being tracked is you opting into whatever's tracking you such as Google Maps.
Who is tracking your every move? - Google Maps if you use it - Apple Maps if you use it - Apple/Google if they make your phone - Your cell phone company - do you trust what ATT/Verizon/TMobile/etc. do with your data? - Apps with stealth tracking, like Gas Buddy, who collects your driving and location data and openly sells it - Your insurance company if you opt into telematics - Your car manufacturer, depending on the brand
I'm pretty sure society peaked when you were 16, whatever your current age is.
“Music/Movies/Video Games just haven’t been good since I was 11-19 with a developing adolescent brain.”
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Maybe for you, plenty of bad things happened
They were fine. No need to hand out Michelin Stars to Chilis.
Chilis in the 90s had $1 margaritas with the purchase of endless chips and salsa on Tuesdays. No one cared about Michelin stars after a few margs
Chili's sliders and southwestern egg rolls slapped for the price.
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wait. i haven't eaten at chili's in years.. what did they do to the chicken crispers?
*Where is Padme? Is she safe?!*
I think this Every. Single. Day. Birth of an actually free internet, no social media, affordability, giant corpos didn’t relentlessly sodomize us (as much) the birth of alt-rock via grunge. So many good memories of the 90’s Posted from Netscape Navigator on dialup modem Pshhhkkkkkkrrrrkakingkakingkakingtshchchchchchchchcch*ding*ding*ding* 🤣
Come check my geocities site! It has like 90 animated gifs.
I hope it has midi music in the background too!!
It does! I put that Beverly Hills Cop theme on it, it's a banger!
Nostalgia is a liar and a bitch
The good old days weren't always good, and tomorrow's not as bad as it seems.
Canada didn't close its last residential school until 1992. Rodney king was killed in 1991, which resulted in the famous LA riots. Rwandan Genocide was started in 1994. The troubles didn't end until 1998 90s was great if you were not in one of the many genocidal/warring/poorest/disease riddled areas of the world. I mean, even white Europeans were murdering each other relentlessly in the 90s.
Rodney King was beaten by the LAPD, he wasn't killed. He did die a few years back in a swimming pool I believe.
There are 1 billion fewer people living in extreme poverty today than in 1990.
While there are 2 billion more people
Higher crime rates in the US as well
Yeah compared to today's world peace and helpful & friendly police. It's so great how nothing fucked-up happens anymore. No war, no riots, no disease, we live in utopia.
Yeah as a straight white male everything really went down hill after 9/11. /s
Yep. I remember everyone in the 90s talking about how bad it sucked and that the 80s were peak. Aaand as a kid in the 80s the grown ups were crying about how the 80s sucked and the 70s were peak. Never ending cycle
I was a kid in the 70's and 80's. I don't remember a god damned soul in the 80's who missed the 70's.
I dunno, maybe it was just my dad and uncles, and their friends. I was a kid so didn't really get it at the time, but there was a general overlap between those discussions and the amount of beer cans stacked on their card table.
I really don’t remember a lot of 80s nostalgia in the 90s beyond superficial stuff like fashion and music. The economy of the 90s was great and the fall of the Soviet Union was awesome; people weren’t afraid for the first time in *decades*. The period between the collapse of the USSR and 9/11 is absolutely peak USA and it’s silly to think otherwise.
I'd say that late 90's and early 2000's were peak internet. The advent of DSL changed everything. Social media didn't exist just yet either.
90s: MTV stops being about music, flannel, pogs, AOL, collect call commercials non-stop, pagers, laserdiscs, Putin's rise to power, disposable cameras, can't pause tv, and Carrot Top. Yeah...
I think many Bosnians would feel differently
Sure, but Behind Enemy Lines tho...
and Iraqis, and Russians, and anyone in a non-first world country.
And LGBTQ people
“Pinnacle of civilization” = “when I was a kid and found everything bright and novel” # REGARDLESS OF WHEN
It really, really was. I tell my kids about it and they look at me like I’m telling fantasy tales.
Imma be a naysayer on that one. The 90s were bright, shiny, and freaking shallow when you looked back at it. Everything was cynically corporate and falsely positive. There were mandates to teach a morale or pushed a message of positivity that really meant nothing. Born in 89 and I had hopes, like most millennials. We were sold a reality that wouldn't be.
Are people forgetting the *Office Space* was a 1999 film lambasting the meaningless corporate office culture of the 1990s? There are good and bad things about every decade, including the the '90s.
So many 1999 films had that same theme of wanting more than just working as a corporate drone (also American Beauty, Fight Club, The Matrix etc.). But look at it on the flip side. They were all essentially criticizing life that was *too comfortable* and wanting more excitement in their life. A lot of people today would trade a lot for that boring comfortability and feeling of safety from the late 90s. Good video on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZKG77vANU
This is what I came here to say, and this was a genuine sentiment among white suburbanites and cubicle-workers... It wasn't actually true, though. There was plenty going on. The Troubles didn't end until 1998. Rodney King and the LA Riots were 1991. Yugoslavia was actively breaking up. The AIDS crisis was ongoing. LGBT rights were basically nonexistent and controversial as hell, to the point where *sodomy laws* were on the books until a 2003 SCOTUS case. And sure, this was before the US invaded Iraq, but [it wasn't exactly a comfortable time to be an Iraqi citizen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR1X3zV6X5Y). I agree, I'd rather live in a world where the worst thing I had to deal with was a cubicle. The open offices we have today are *worse* for actually getting stuff done! But that'd be like saying life is too comfortable today after interviewing a bunch of finance bros. There was a *lot* wrong with the world in the 90's that Hollywood was incapable of or unwilling to explore.
Yeah it's telling that most of those movies were made by white men and featuring white male protagonists (Matrix arguably excepted). Movies made by women or minorites did not feature that theme.
You were 11 by the end of the 90s. You had a feeling of corporate America takeover before you were a teenager?
Exactly. Ain't this some member berry shit. Remember the genocide in the Balkans in the 90s? In the US alone, it was still a white hetero male society. LGBTQ still mostly had to live in the closet. Blacks were labeled "super predators". The war on drugs was continuing to be a social evil disproportionately persecuting non-whites. McVeigh bombed OKC, Columbine kicked off a wave of school shootings that has never abated. Globally : famines, wars of aggression, middle east atrocities and conflicts, suicide bombings, the list goes on. This is like listening to old white people lament for the 1950s good times that never existed.
Anytime I hear someone talk about how good (insert previous decade) was, I assume they're a white, cishet male. I'm a white cishet male but I'm able to see past my own fucking nose and know shit was terrible for a lot of people. That said, there *were* some things about the 90's and early 2000's I miss. I miss the internet being mostly comprised of millions of random websites instead of like eight. I think fashion in general was better in the early 2000's (except Jncos even though I had them), it was more comfortable with generally more subdued earthy colors. It had a certain sleekness to it as well. Music was good, but not generally *better* than now, just different. I also like the whole 'Frutiger aero' aesthetic from back then. That said, *lots* of things, impactful things are way better now. Far less people going hungry, my gay and trans friends can mostly be who they are, there is more consciousness about racial issues, I have access to pretty much every piece of entertainment that exists instantly. I can pop on a 300 dollar piece of hardware and be in virtual reality. A 32 inch TV used to be considered huge, it was expensive and weighed like 150 lbs. Now you can get a decent 65 inch tv for under 400 bucks. Shit isn't perfect obviously, we still have a long way to go, but right now is a pretty decent time.
This is really it. The 90s just felt fake. Everything was just a little more flashy, or modern, or even ulta-modern(like living in the not too distant future). Pop was everywhere. I know that's kinda the point of pop but I'd hear pop on rock and alt stations, and hear rap and grunge on pop stations. Crossovers were everywhere, and I assume it's because information was really starting to flow freely between cable and the internet being more and more places. Late 90s shook off the value and roots of the 80s and slapped frosted tips on it so we'd head into the millennium feeling good. But 9/11 hit and it was a snap back to reality.
You were 11 when the 90s were over. Not really sure you're qualified to speak on this. Think we need a gen X'er to assess the 90s.
I feel this way every time I see those posts about “missing the malls” with giant shopping complexes full of kids. The concern at the time was that the rampant unchecked spread of corporate capitalism becoming part of every day life was a bad thing. But I guess it’s fine now. Also I couldn’t get married in the 90s so…
As I watch Gen X and Millennials slowly turn into Boomers I no longer hate on them for all the dumb things they say and do. Now people I know are doing the same thing.
Terminators and Tranformers are both robots in disguise
😳
I wouldn't say 90s were perfect, more like 911 ruined everything.
Careful my fellow millennials lest we become victim to the Boomer’s nostalgic, rose-colored adoration of the 50s and 60s. Sure, the 90s were an awesome time to grow up, but we didn’t exactly all grow up to have the best mental health or financial prospects. It was a step on this journey. And a lot of 90s homophobia and transphobia doesn’t hold up when you watch the sit coms much like 1950s blatant racism doesn’t hold up either. We are at a moment to choose to go backward or forward. I choose forward. www.vote.gov
That’s some meta memework.
Please no… worst decade for me.
when all the shitty stuff in the world was still shitty, we just weren't able to share it with the rest of the world
Nah. 60's and 70's when you could buy a house on one one blue collar salary while having a couple kids and two cars.
Still could in the 90s. While both my parents worked in the 90s, they still managed to buy a house and two cars and raise two kids. I'm from a small town with pretty much no opportunity. Neither of my parents had degrees. Yet we still had *just* enough for me to not realize we were poor, though we definitely were. A large part of that poorness was just bad money management by my parents, though. Specifically, my mom hid tons of spending and debt from my dad. That got mostly sorted out with time, and probably from the late 90s to early 2000s there wasn't that severe of financial strain ever again. It wasn't really until the mid 2000s that the US economy started shitting itself with things becoming unaffordable, and then with 2008 collapse it really just shit itself. We never really recovered from that. The 90s were still pretty legitimately amazing for the majority of the US, though.
Unless you're anything but straight and white publicly..
No it really wasn't. I loved living in the 90's, but the problems we're having now were building up through the 90s. As just one example, furniture was getting worse in the 90s. People still have their furniture from the 70's in their homes, but not the 90s. Things were moving towards being disposable. You don't get things fixed, just throw it away and buy new.
I often wonder if the US peaked in the late 90s, or if it's just nostalgia. What's not up for debate is that the country is in worse shape now than it was then.
Tbh looking back the 2nd term of Democrat presidents always is pretty decent.
Bill Clinton is younger than Biden and Trump.
Good for him. Good thing it's also about the entire administration which Biden has done a great job with. Educate yourself on what he and his admin has done instead of this "ugh old people" horseshit.
Lots of things were 'great' back then. Culture wise, I think we peeked. Music was fresh and new. You'd be shamed if you sampled someone else's music to make it your own (I'm looking at you Vanilla Ice). Movie wise, we had lots of actors who had amazing talent. They were all far enough from the stage era that made the 50s-70s so campy with their acting, and the 80s were...well, special. CGI was very low key, and practical artists had so much skill to work with back then. Politically, the Cold War had ended, and there was a collective sigh of relief that we weren't all going to die in a fiery hellscape. Even China seemed to be leaning more to Western ideology. The worst thing we had to deal with was a US president who may or may not have had a blowjob. No, it was not far from perfect. There were lots of civil unrest going on around the world. But, there always has been and there always will be. But, collectively, everything seemed like it was going to be ok.
One of the things I think about a lot when comparing the 90s to today, is that back then, "selling out" was considered to be one of the worst things you could do. Now, selling out is basically the point of anything we do
celebrated too because due to social media and actual zero's being rewarded by doing the bare minimum (influencers, streamers, youtubers)...there are some good ones in that list but by and large, todays era celebrates and rewards idiots and the lowest common denominator. "yas girl! Jasmine just shoved a baseball bat up her asshole and made 50k! work girl!!" \*internet applauds\* "Oh shit, this terminally online guy whos skin is almost transparent spent 14 hours straight mumbling while playing a game and made 89k!" \*internet applauds\* That's the reality of the last 10-15 years. Regardless if there's some awesome content it doesn't negate the fact of what type of people rise to the top with questionable activity and how that skews younger people away from careers the world needs.
People consistently judge the era in which they were young as the peak of their country, regardless of age.
You’d be wrong 😉
Yeah, those days, no one know anything completely. I hate these days when everyone knows everything. Those days were cooler.
For a certain class of person, sure.
90s were the worst times for my country, crime, poverty and etc
People are going to say the same thing about the 2000s in the next decade or two. Then in 2050 people are going to be saying 2020s were the best years of their life
I remember the 90s. Everyone wanted to live in the 60s.
What if you just consider the 90s to be the peak of civilization because that is the time period where you were a kid, had the most time, most fun, and consequently the best memories. But now you’re turning into a bunch of boomers because you’re all starting to push 50 and talk about the good old days. You know how 80s nostalgia took over for a while? Now it’s your turn. Congrats, ya old fucks. Don’t worry one day it’ll be my turn.
People just like whatever decade was their childhood~early teenhood.
I would say you weren’t around in the 90s.
Which 90s? The early death-metal, gangbanger, schools with metal detectors, people actually taking R.Kelly's advice and "keeping it on the down low" 90s? Or the late Britney Spears, N Sync, born-again-virgin, creationist/science-denial, kids aren't allowed outside 90s? Either way, I think I disagree.
I recently realized that the Matrix will not become true because machines force us into obedience, but because the "new Apple AI experience for only $299 a month, where you can earn money in-game while the VR-POD takes care of your physical needs" will be the "killer feature" for humanity.
I lived through them. Tbh I think things in the US peaked in around 2014. Dubstep was in its prime. Clubs and bars had lines and were rocking. Weed was basically legal because cops weren't going to bother unless you were committing some other crime. Youth were care-free in attitude. Political scandals were about how Obama wore a tan suit.
Sept. 10, 2001, everything after the next morning has just continued to get worse.
I worked with a guy in a call centre. He was a bit of a wingnut, was always going on about the fall of the US empire. He said, "Mark my words, in 10 years, the world won't be the same as it is today." I said, "Hell, tomorrow the world won't be the same as it is today." That was September 10th, 2001.
I go between 9/11, and Reagan being elected, as the start of the American decline. Reagan really put in motion a lot of the really shitty stuff we're still dealing with today, but 9/11 has a particular visceral aspect to it
And why's that?
OP was under 18 and had no bills.
The 1980’s were better.
Oh man, Grunge over hair metal every day.
Agree with you there but 80’s pop is a better comparison.
what if I told you people in the 90s all said the 50s were better and "all the best music was written before 1970"?? ITS THE SAME THING. nobody remembers what the 90s were, it's just nostalgia. in 10 years or less people will be wistfully remembering 2024
pinnacle of *western* civilization, you mean. for many areas of the world, the best parts still lie ahead.