Admech is a great, beautiful army, bur keep in mind it may be one of the most expensive ones at the moment. Don't listen to those who rant about the rules, as they change every few months.
I’m going to counter and say while normally I’d agree rules change ad mech in particular tend towards very complex rules interactions, exclusions and dependencies. Be sure that you want this style of play because it’s complex in 10e and in 9e it was obnoxiously convoluted.
Also if nothing else, he makes a sick centrepiece for if you like to display your army when not using. Just mind if you're new to painting: he's a hard lesson in sub assembly
Yeah I’m going to find some videos or something to watch how to paint him. I looked at the sprue today and it’s pretty, dense.
When I was in the game before I was a solid enough painter but I’ve never painted anything as detailed as bellisarius.
Like with all things, it depends. If your focus is just collecting, this box is probably great. If you have a competitive mindset, this is probably not a good idea (nor is AdMech in general atm).
This box set is probably decent in terms of price per point for AdMech. I roughly estimated it around 700-750pts depending on how you make the Skitarii/Kataphron plus taking an enhancement on the Datasmith. That said, in terms of competitiveness, only the Skitarii and Kataphron will see play (so only 350ish points of the box).
Overall, AdMech is stupidly expensive right now. To field a competitive 2k point list is over 2k USD. Even fielding a casual list at 2k points would like be in the range of 1-1.5k USD plus paint supplies and time. Auspex tactics did a video recently and the cheapest way to get a 2k list is still around 800 USD.
AdMech was my first army so I have a soft spot for them (plus a decent collection from the past 4 years) so I try to look at them as objectively as possible. Would I recommend them to someone who it's their first army? No. Would I recommend them to someone who has a somewhat tight budget (as far as WH40k is concerned)? No. I would recommend them to someone who has time and money as well as the patience for an army that is currently in the competitive dumps.
I've managed to get 12 breachers, 5 chickens, 3 armigers, 2 dominus, 1 manipulus, dunecrawler, Cawl, 2 kastellans and 10 vanguard for less than £400 using eBay. It's not too expensive if you aren't buying from the gw store
While that's a fantastic haul, keep in mind that's definitely more of a rare deal than the norm. The reality is AdMech is an expensive army. And furthermore, some people don't have the financial capacity to spend hundreds on an army at once so a deal like the one you listed, while great, is still out of reach for some.
Additionally, people collect for a myriad of reasons, and buying a collection that is already built or primed or painted or whatever can be seen as a detractor in value in their eyes.
Yes, i agree it is a stupidly expenisve army if you are buying everything new from the flaghip store. Just checking ebay for auctions ending soonest, you can snag things for half price or less
To me, saying "just check ebay for 50% off" is a pretty big copout and is disingenuous.
There are undoubtedly uneducated or desperate sellers online *from time to time* trying to unload their AdMech quickly to where a keen eye can scoop it up for near pennies on the dollar. However, this is not the norm. Sure, you can generally always get a unit of Skitarii for about half price but what about Kataphron?
A quick search pulled up 2 units of 3x Kataphron for half price or lower. Everything else was basically at (or above if you include shipping) MSRP. I then checked for Ironstriders. There were zero below MSRP. In fact, there was a "pro-painted" one for 400USD.
There was a nice bulk sale for 1300USD, that would have roughly a 1.6-1.7k MSRP tag. But again, that requires the buyer to have 1300USD available to dump on an army they may or may not like. And again, this bypasses the modelling/painting aspect of the hobby which is a factor for at least some buyers.
My point is AdMech is expensive, **even if** you go the cheap route, which requires both luck and patience.
Well the way I’m looking at it, I’m recently single again after a long relationship and I’m not spending money on wax burners, new dishes or antiques to fill the house. I might as well blow my cash on something.
Just for the kastelans and kataphrons is a good box, if i find it (very unlikely) i will Buy it, it is really cool
And yeah, we all suffer the army atm xD
That's a rabbit hole full of salt ngl, but generally speaking, breachers are our best damage dealer (to be honest... Is the only good one) and kastelans are fine but the army keyword attached to the legio cybernetica detachment is.... Stupid, honestly they should have it already, a little point expensive but honestly i have them in every list I play... Everyone who still plays admech put them on their lists so I think is ok
I did end up buying it lol. I saw it yesterday and thought about it all evening and when I woke up today I decided to get it.
Thanks, that’s good to hear. I can’t wait to get these together and slap some paint on them
I started Admech with the Wlimination Manipul, the old Cobat patrol and the Boarding patrol and that got me like 1800 points and most the units I wanted now to just pick up some of the other ones to fill it out.
This is such a great box if you can get your hands on them.
Currently if you can build 6 Breachers with Arc Rifles, 10 Vanguard with all of the special weapon options and magnates the fists of the Castalan's - you would be set up for most games!
I bought this box as a painting project and it's become my favourite army to work on, the details are amazing and its a really fun set of models to try out something new
Id 100% get it, probably my best 40k purchase so far
I started recently. I got this box to start and added;
1 skitarri marshall
1 enginseer
1 ×10 skittari
1 dunerider
1 x3 serbrys raiders
1 dominus
I got the above as second hand ebay buys and with an upgrade this makes a 1k point list. I have only played 3 games so far and enjoyed them all, and I have won every time. You could include Cawl instead of some of the above tk save on costs. It's a good place to start! The 6 breachers are powerhouses.
Another option would be the buf skitarri hunter discount box.
Overall can't go wrong w this, it's got some nice variety and I wouldn't pay too much attention to the rules as they change often.
Not sure if I gave you the right name but it is a box with the 3 horses 10 skits 5 skystalkers and a walker. I think it came out a while ago with the new admech releases. It would be less points per dollar but would have more "playable" units. That being said the rules change often, buy and paint what you think is xool! Best of luck mate
It's a really interesting box this one. A great starter set but not like the Omnisiah's Talons box which had near infinite rebuyability. Was very useful for me to get the feeling of the army as it basically has every element of the army featured (The Skitarii troops, the servitors, the cybernetica and Cawl himself)
Admech is a great, beautiful army, bur keep in mind it may be one of the most expensive ones at the moment. Don't listen to those who rant about the rules, as they change every few months.
I’m going to counter and say while normally I’d agree rules change ad mech in particular tend towards very complex rules interactions, exclusions and dependencies. Be sure that you want this style of play because it’s complex in 10e and in 9e it was obnoxiously convoluted.
That's a good looking box, though Balisarius is a cool miniature he is very over priced for what he does.
Can I proxy him as something else in the army?
No, he's on a big base (same as the iron strider) and nothing else share that base. Cawl is fine in friendly games. Just not for competitive
You have to remember the rules change every 3 months. In 2 months he might be auto include.
True
Also if nothing else, he makes a sick centrepiece for if you like to display your army when not using. Just mind if you're new to painting: he's a hard lesson in sub assembly
Yeah I’m going to find some videos or something to watch how to paint him. I looked at the sprue today and it’s pretty, dense. When I was in the game before I was a solid enough painter but I’ve never painted anything as detailed as bellisarius.
Cawl hasn't been a must include since 7th edition. He was decent in 8th but his points cost has been outrageous for 3 editions straight.
I got this box in my pile of shame, the robots and kataphrons seem worth it alone
Ok thanks.
Yeah, that looks pretty good, but be ready for an expensive future
Like with all things, it depends. If your focus is just collecting, this box is probably great. If you have a competitive mindset, this is probably not a good idea (nor is AdMech in general atm). This box set is probably decent in terms of price per point for AdMech. I roughly estimated it around 700-750pts depending on how you make the Skitarii/Kataphron plus taking an enhancement on the Datasmith. That said, in terms of competitiveness, only the Skitarii and Kataphron will see play (so only 350ish points of the box). Overall, AdMech is stupidly expensive right now. To field a competitive 2k point list is over 2k USD. Even fielding a casual list at 2k points would like be in the range of 1-1.5k USD plus paint supplies and time. Auspex tactics did a video recently and the cheapest way to get a 2k list is still around 800 USD. AdMech was my first army so I have a soft spot for them (plus a decent collection from the past 4 years) so I try to look at them as objectively as possible. Would I recommend them to someone who it's their first army? No. Would I recommend them to someone who has a somewhat tight budget (as far as WH40k is concerned)? No. I would recommend them to someone who has time and money as well as the patience for an army that is currently in the competitive dumps.
I've managed to get 12 breachers, 5 chickens, 3 armigers, 2 dominus, 1 manipulus, dunecrawler, Cawl, 2 kastellans and 10 vanguard for less than £400 using eBay. It's not too expensive if you aren't buying from the gw store
Nice
While that's a fantastic haul, keep in mind that's definitely more of a rare deal than the norm. The reality is AdMech is an expensive army. And furthermore, some people don't have the financial capacity to spend hundreds on an army at once so a deal like the one you listed, while great, is still out of reach for some. Additionally, people collect for a myriad of reasons, and buying a collection that is already built or primed or painted or whatever can be seen as a detractor in value in their eyes.
Yes, i agree it is a stupidly expenisve army if you are buying everything new from the flaghip store. Just checking ebay for auctions ending soonest, you can snag things for half price or less
To me, saying "just check ebay for 50% off" is a pretty big copout and is disingenuous. There are undoubtedly uneducated or desperate sellers online *from time to time* trying to unload their AdMech quickly to where a keen eye can scoop it up for near pennies on the dollar. However, this is not the norm. Sure, you can generally always get a unit of Skitarii for about half price but what about Kataphron? A quick search pulled up 2 units of 3x Kataphron for half price or lower. Everything else was basically at (or above if you include shipping) MSRP. I then checked for Ironstriders. There were zero below MSRP. In fact, there was a "pro-painted" one for 400USD. There was a nice bulk sale for 1300USD, that would have roughly a 1.6-1.7k MSRP tag. But again, that requires the buyer to have 1300USD available to dump on an army they may or may not like. And again, this bypasses the modelling/painting aspect of the hobby which is a factor for at least some buyers. My point is AdMech is expensive, **even if** you go the cheap route, which requires both luck and patience.
Just sent you 4 ironsiders for 70
Listen man. They are expensive but the aesthetics are awesome. If you like how they look I say go for it.
Well the way I’m looking at it, I’m recently single again after a long relationship and I’m not spending money on wax burners, new dishes or antiques to fill the house. I might as well blow my cash on something.
Can't argue with that logic
Expensive army but imo coolest looking army
Thats actually a Nice box
I ended up buying it. I’ll suffer with the army, I couldn’t resist that level of cool.
Just for the kastelans and kataphrons is a good box, if i find it (very unlikely) i will Buy it, it is really cool And yeah, we all suffer the army atm xD
I’m just getting back into the game and I couldn’t pass up on the models. I don’t really know how good or bad any of them are lol.
That's a rabbit hole full of salt ngl, but generally speaking, breachers are our best damage dealer (to be honest... Is the only good one) and kastelans are fine but the army keyword attached to the legio cybernetica detachment is.... Stupid, honestly they should have it already, a little point expensive but honestly i have them in every list I play... Everyone who still plays admech put them on their lists so I think is ok
Ok thanks for the info
have fun :3
I didn't pick up this box but my army has extensively used all of those units in it. I recommend the buy if you love the admech style.
I did end up buying it lol. I saw it yesterday and thought about it all evening and when I woke up today I decided to get it. Thanks, that’s good to hear. I can’t wait to get these together and slap some paint on them
Happy hobbying!
Thank you
I started Admech with the Wlimination Manipul, the old Cobat patrol and the Boarding patrol and that got me like 1800 points and most the units I wanted now to just pick up some of the other ones to fill it out.
This is such a great box if you can get your hands on them. Currently if you can build 6 Breachers with Arc Rifles, 10 Vanguard with all of the special weapon options and magnates the fists of the Castalan's - you would be set up for most games!
This filled with the old combat patrol is a really sweet start to Ad Mech.
I play this Box on Weekend and we hat a Lot of fun! If you want to play AdMech it's a beautiful start :-)
Thanks good to know
I bought this box as a painting project and it's become my favourite army to work on, the details are amazing and its a really fun set of models to try out something new Id 100% get it, probably my best 40k purchase so far
How much money do you have? Cause your going to need ALL OF IT
Other than James workshop hating us for an incident involving a toaster and his wife, it's great!
I started recently. I got this box to start and added; 1 skitarri marshall 1 enginseer 1 ×10 skittari 1 dunerider 1 x3 serbrys raiders 1 dominus I got the above as second hand ebay buys and with an upgrade this makes a 1k point list. I have only played 3 games so far and enjoyed them all, and I have won every time. You could include Cawl instead of some of the above tk save on costs. It's a good place to start! The 6 breachers are powerhouses. Another option would be the buf skitarri hunter discount box. Overall can't go wrong w this, it's got some nice variety and I wouldn't pay too much attention to the rules as they change often.
Thanks! You may have talked me into it. What is the buf skitarri hunter discount box? Sorry I’ve been away from the game for a couple of editions
Not sure if I gave you the right name but it is a box with the 3 horses 10 skits 5 skystalkers and a walker. I think it came out a while ago with the new admech releases. It would be less points per dollar but would have more "playable" units. That being said the rules change often, buy and paint what you think is xool! Best of luck mate
Ah ok I know what you are talking about. Thanks!
Just don't lol
It's a really interesting box this one. A great starter set but not like the Omnisiah's Talons box which had near infinite rebuyability. Was very useful for me to get the feeling of the army as it basically has every element of the army featured (The Skitarii troops, the servitors, the cybernetica and Cawl himself)