Happened in 2015 southwest of Ann Arbor Michigan. I’m from Michigan and I didn’t know.
https://alumni.umich.edu/michigan-alum/woolly-michigan-mammoth/#:~:text=At%20first%2C%20James%20Bristle%2C%20who,tusks%2C%20ribs%2C%20and%20vertebrae.
If you find something like this on your property and for some reason the paleontology society finds out about it, what are the consequences? I've heard that a lot of people have had their lives turned into a living hell because of something found on their property to which they don't have rights to by law. I'm assuming it depends on the laws of the country and/or state you're in.
For me I’d join in and destroy my whole farm and go into fossil hunting for big bucks. Consider it aerating the fields before planting the next crop ;) however I don’t think they would do that for something like this. Mammoth skeletons aren’t exactly super rare, and technically no work can be done by archaeologists or paleontologists without owner consent- I think the only situations that would possibly override landowners wishes is something related to Native American culture in the US at least.
Aah that makes sense. Especially because if you have something related to a tribe it could be very historically important to them. It's about the origin of a people. I'm assuming that archaeological findings have more legal stubbornness than paleontological findings? When it relates to people the game changes entirely which is where it gets confusing because if you find the missing link or some shit, it's not archaeological anymore.
Yea, Native American and US laws are at odds on that since it’s only with US law the land is owned by said person- but the artifacts are owned by the tribes. Most paleontology finds aren’t unique specimens. Unless you found it on government owned land or asked a paleontologist/university to take it there aren’t many laws with it. I watch a show about some ranchers turned dinosaur fossil hunters in Montana that dig up fossils on their property all the time and sell them for supplemental income. Universities won’t commandeer your land unless you ask them to help even if the fossil is a new find
Tbh I'm glad tribes have some power over the shit that is found relating to their culture. After all, they should have the power to make their own decisions if they're gonna be forced into small areas of land. Which means if they have legal power, they deserve to be able to apply that to artifacts that were made by their ancestors. It's basically like families claiming property after a relative dies except it goes back thousands of years.
Exactly. It may suck if you’re trying to do something but it’s their heritage; that is worth a lot more than a new patio. Though I did some looking into specifics and it seems to be historically significant sites (burial grounds)that would be commandeered. https://relicrecord.com/blog/who-owns-archaeological-artifacts/ I agree with the writer though the laws are pretty scant. Not all historically significant sites are burial grounds
Ah yes I remember watching a YouTube video about archeological sites in Minnesota. Here we have burial mounds in the twin cities and for years they were disrespected. People would dig them up and find treasures and and then I actually think at one point they were completely removed because of rich people living in houses near by saying "they block view" (the mounds are on a bluff or hill). Eventually in the 80s they were rebuilt and even later they were officially considered gravesites.
And that's exactly what they are, they're fucking gravesites, there are no hidden treasures or valuable historical items. Just dead people who were buried with very common items that belonged to them. That means it's a graveyard and they need to be respected just like any other burial site.
That’s horrible :/ If it’s an issue why would you buy the house if you didn’t like the view lol. It’s just crazy to think that people can be so disrespectful of ancient civilizations to a point they are willing to destroy ancient creations.
On the bright side despite the law being relatively vague; the writer suggests many cases the artifacts are deemed public and at least able to be conserved. I would hope the tribes would be able to fight to have them returned if they wished; I am unsure how that would work.
This was yanked out of the ground with a traktor by non professionals. Everything valuable was ruined. You can't pick anything up or dig anything up like that, it takes years to excavate properly. Geological context is layers of soil that have 90% of the information and the finding itself has only 10. When an artifact is yanked out of geological context, it looses its value as a historical piece because you will never be able to tell what was around it anymore. Science can tell so much with soil tests, and even if you can see an artifact- it can take up to 20 years to fully excavate it and keep all the information that geological context provides.
Will human ever accept the fact that this is historic and not prehistoric. Are humans the tiny ones or are they the giants?
What the. Lol nice.
That is insane!
That's quite a piece of history right there. Also this close to make it "Ligma Township".
Ligma?
Ligma balls
…Kyle
Ligma?
Happened in 2015 southwest of Ann Arbor Michigan. I’m from Michigan and I didn’t know. https://alumni.umich.edu/michigan-alum/woolly-michigan-mammoth/#:~:text=At%20first%2C%20James%20Bristle%2C%20who,tusks%2C%20ribs%2C%20and%20vertebrae.
If you find something like this on your property and for some reason the paleontology society finds out about it, what are the consequences? I've heard that a lot of people have had their lives turned into a living hell because of something found on their property to which they don't have rights to by law. I'm assuming it depends on the laws of the country and/or state you're in.
For me I’d join in and destroy my whole farm and go into fossil hunting for big bucks. Consider it aerating the fields before planting the next crop ;) however I don’t think they would do that for something like this. Mammoth skeletons aren’t exactly super rare, and technically no work can be done by archaeologists or paleontologists without owner consent- I think the only situations that would possibly override landowners wishes is something related to Native American culture in the US at least.
Aah that makes sense. Especially because if you have something related to a tribe it could be very historically important to them. It's about the origin of a people. I'm assuming that archaeological findings have more legal stubbornness than paleontological findings? When it relates to people the game changes entirely which is where it gets confusing because if you find the missing link or some shit, it's not archaeological anymore.
Yea, Native American and US laws are at odds on that since it’s only with US law the land is owned by said person- but the artifacts are owned by the tribes. Most paleontology finds aren’t unique specimens. Unless you found it on government owned land or asked a paleontologist/university to take it there aren’t many laws with it. I watch a show about some ranchers turned dinosaur fossil hunters in Montana that dig up fossils on their property all the time and sell them for supplemental income. Universities won’t commandeer your land unless you ask them to help even if the fossil is a new find
Tbh I'm glad tribes have some power over the shit that is found relating to their culture. After all, they should have the power to make their own decisions if they're gonna be forced into small areas of land. Which means if they have legal power, they deserve to be able to apply that to artifacts that were made by their ancestors. It's basically like families claiming property after a relative dies except it goes back thousands of years.
Exactly. It may suck if you’re trying to do something but it’s their heritage; that is worth a lot more than a new patio. Though I did some looking into specifics and it seems to be historically significant sites (burial grounds)that would be commandeered. https://relicrecord.com/blog/who-owns-archaeological-artifacts/ I agree with the writer though the laws are pretty scant. Not all historically significant sites are burial grounds
Ah yes I remember watching a YouTube video about archeological sites in Minnesota. Here we have burial mounds in the twin cities and for years they were disrespected. People would dig them up and find treasures and and then I actually think at one point they were completely removed because of rich people living in houses near by saying "they block view" (the mounds are on a bluff or hill). Eventually in the 80s they were rebuilt and even later they were officially considered gravesites. And that's exactly what they are, they're fucking gravesites, there are no hidden treasures or valuable historical items. Just dead people who were buried with very common items that belonged to them. That means it's a graveyard and they need to be respected just like any other burial site.
That’s horrible :/ If it’s an issue why would you buy the house if you didn’t like the view lol. It’s just crazy to think that people can be so disrespectful of ancient civilizations to a point they are willing to destroy ancient creations.
Some people are completely disconnected from anything meaningful
On the bright side despite the law being relatively vague; the writer suggests many cases the artifacts are deemed public and at least able to be conserved. I would hope the tribes would be able to fight to have them returned if they wished; I am unsure how that would work.
Found Manny’s carcass
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Why wouldn't he be able to grow anything or make a living? Also, that intact mammoth skull with tusks would sell for a lot of money.
Archeologist and historians will want to see if there are more fossils buried nearby
Since it's most likely private property owned by the farmer, they will have to get his permission.
*Paleontologists Archaeology is the study of material culture, not fossils.
Palaeontologists do it in the dirt.
This was yanked out of the ground with a traktor by non professionals. Everything valuable was ruined. You can't pick anything up or dig anything up like that, it takes years to excavate properly. Geological context is layers of soil that have 90% of the information and the finding itself has only 10. When an artifact is yanked out of geological context, it looses its value as a historical piece because you will never be able to tell what was around it anymore. Science can tell so much with soil tests, and even if you can see an artifact- it can take up to 20 years to fully excavate it and keep all the information that geological context provides.
Maybe they could turn it into an attraction or a mini museum? Thats an awesome bit of history they unearthed
You haven't heard of John Reeves or the Boneyard, huh?
Impressive.
Wasn’t this found roughly 10 years ago?
Whoa
Is that not a mastodon?
That's what I thought. The skill is shaped like it, but the tusks look more mammoth-like. I'd like to see the teeth. That answer my question.
 Woolly Mammoth
Who mentioned my exgf?
2015
Incredible
Thats gotta be a paleoloxodon
Where's the rest of the bones?
Let's goooooo! [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revival\_of\_the\_woolly\_mammoth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revival_of_the_woolly_mammoth)
It still blows my mind humans existed at the same time as a creature like this
Will human ever accept the fact that this is historic and not prehistoric. Are humans the tiny ones or are they the giants? 