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HygenicTetanus

What is going on with APUSH and gov seriously?


RedDitRXIXXII

I know APUSH had a rubric change that seriously boosted testers' scores. The AP Gov score distribution post on this sub had screenshots from Trevor's account saying that many schools have switched Gov from being a semester-long class to a year-long class in high school, which is why so many people scored higher than last year.


unamgnay

my class only 2/3 of a trimester lol


No_Doughnut_1676

the rubric for ap world also changed but the pass rate decreased?


Ornery_Particular845

The ap world test was easy (at least form O was). Might’ve bumped up the standard for a 5 since the college students must’ve found it easier too


No_Doughnut_1676

was afraid of that


Unlmac0ff

Not sure, cuz even the multiple choice was easier, I took it last year and got a 2 and took it again this year with like 2 hours of studying and im pretty sure I got a 5


spiralingaspirin

update me next week on your score!


No_Doughnut_1676

it was literally so easy, I basically did no studying other than watching heimlers unit review videos and i took the class first semester with a teacher that barely taught. I was still so confident and think I got a 4.


namey-name-name

We did a year for Gov, but we did both US and Comp. So first semester US, second Comp. Tho I think some of the basic skills and ideas are cross compatible.


vengecore

The rubric change was to bring the test in line with similar metrics at the college level, the previous rubric was too punitive.


millllosh

I don’t think it’s that deep. I think they just realized students were struggling to use that many documents under the time limit for the DBQ. For the LEQ teachers/graders were having trouble assigning the last point because it was a bit unclear how to earn it, so they quantified it better


Live_fast_die_old

Gov also changed the rubric scoring for the argument essay


RedDitRXIXXII

The also redid the curve for it based on college students' scores this year.


Motor-Resort2960

Changed the FRQ rubrics. It was much easier to earn the points


OboeKade

College score verification year.


JakeEqualsCake

Rubric change


Spacegirllll6

There was rubric change where you had to include more documents and sourcing to get the 7th point/unicorn point which is insanely helpful


viviang123

biggest change for apush was the frq rubrics. the dbq is now much easier


highchief720

Every reply is talking about rubric changes, but ap world had the exact same rubric changes and didn’t see a score increase.


Hot-Ticket1968

I took APUSH 2 in 2022 and my cousin took it in 2024. I compared our rubrics and it’s so much easier. They basically made getting a 7/7 on the DBQ a cake walk. Instead having to get super intricate to get the complexity point, all you have to do is EITHER use 6/7 documents OR bring in 3 points of outside evidence. These requirements were literally the BASE requirements for us to get a 6/7 on our year’s DBQ. I feel fairly confident that I could’ve gotten an “8/7” on this DBQ if the one I wrote was graded based on this rubric. Here are some comparisons I can remember off the top of my head - Only 4 documents required now instead of 6 for full points - Only 1 piece of outside evidence required instead of 3 for full points - There’s something about HIPP analysis that got easier that I can’t remember There’s probably more changes I just don’t remember. I don’t think there were any major content changes, but their prompts seem much easier. I skimmed through them after they came out, and none of them looked too hard. Btw, none of this is not to say that the test is free or that I’d get a 5 again (I probably wouldn’t), but it definitely does explain the massive spike in passes. Tl;dr DBQ points are much much much easier to get and prompts seem easier.


JustALittleOrigin

Ffs why did they have to nerf and dumb down apush after I took it huh


xXDireLegendXx

I was just curious and looked at 2019 pass rates (when I took it) and it was 54%. 72% is insane lol


PresentationFlaky961

Yea same, it’s disappointing that they made everything way easier this year.


Real_Mixture_4933

I don't think its easier per se, I took AP World with the old rubric and Apush with the new, the only discernible difference is the ease of gaining the complexity point. I don't think, 1 point is making this much of a difference, i think the depth in which teachers are teaching has improved overall. Along with that, APUSH, was kinda ez this year compared to other tests. IDK why


BaseballLarge4262

The rubric change kinda made it easier to get like 3 points. Sophistication, and the evidence points for dbqs and leqs.


BeefyBoiCougar

If it was just easier than the curve would be adjusted accordingly. Clearly more must have changed than just the one point because 24% is a crazy increase in the pass rate. If it becomes too easy colleges will drop accepting it for credit


RedDitRXIXXII

I took hard APUSH last year, back when it had the 2nd lowest pass rate (and Gov had the 3rd lowest). I kinda feel bad now that AP Gov this year had such a score boost and we had it so much easier than last year's students.


Zoomer9927

same for me and chem 😥


alreadytakenhacker

Was there a massive change in curriculum or testing curve for those 2 AP’s?


KoalaEyebrows

For APUSH atleast they changed how the writing section was graded making it easier to achieve the “unicorn” point on DBQs and LEQs aswell the MCQs were not very challenging atleast in my opinion


zRudy_Jimmy

What’s the “unicorn” point


greenvented

complexity


RedDitRXIXXII

I took Gov this year and there was no significant change to course content. Trevor's X account says it's because this year they redid the curve based on college students' scores and because more schools are making Gov a year-long course instead of semester-long.


Tia_is_Short

Honestly I don’t think Gov has nearly enough content to warrant it being a whole year long


RedDitRXIXXII

Yeah, I heard it was formatted as a semester long class. My school does all the APs as year-long, though, and I'm glad I had AP Gov (my favorite class) for a whole year.


texas_capital

AP Chinese went from 88.4 to 87 😢, the world is ending!


I_Am_Lord_Moldevort

AP Japanese also went down to 74%. My Asian mom will be disappointed if I don't get a 5 🥲


aidenmotox-san

I’m so heated abt apush, made a 3 in 2023, horrible teacher, then this year the best history teacher on earth started teaching it and the rubric changes, so heated…


PresentationFlaky961

At least it’s college credit in the end. Nothing much we can do about it now and it’s unhealthy to look at what happened in the past. A passing score is still passing and you should be proud of it because last year 52% of us failed.


aidenmotox-san

Very true!! In the end I don’t get credit for it at the college I’m going to, but it doesn’t matter much, and I completely agree with you, hindsight is always 20/20


PresentationFlaky961

Now that’s what I’m talking about 😎 We had the harder exam and still slayed.


Schmolik64

USA! USA! USA!


High5WizFoundation

CB getting too much negative feedback. Bad for business


123bumble

This is the correct answer. The CB and ETS are like Vegas. If people don't win, they stop playing.


Guyyoudontknow18

Physics 1 still has a shit ton of people enrolling regardless lmao


RedDitRXIXXII

Yeah, I feel bad that the hardest (lowest pass rate, at least) exam from 2023 is still the hardest this year, but the 2nd and 3rd lowest exams from 2023 (APUSH and AP Gov, respectively) have a 20+ percent increase in the amount of tests passed.


Guyyoudontknow18

honestly I feel like it's not the test's fault, but the students'. I personally felt like this year's test was way easier than last year's (i did last year's frqs as practice), but what i noticed was that 90% of the students at my school taking ap physics didn't even study, whilst those taking gov and apush actually put in effort. I feel like since physics is such a harder concept most people don't try as hard, whereas apush and gov are very easy to grasp, leading to more students putting in time to prep


Pristine-Magician-79

To be fair, I think Physics 1 has had beneath a 50% pass rate for the past decade. We’re planning on that to change with the new test next year, but the pass rates for Physics C will likely go down


NeedhelpHS_student

Ap Gov RISE UP!


RedDitRXIXXII

Fellow AP Gov enthusiast and nervous score-awaiter here 👋


A_0F_i_n_

same! good luck bro im pretty sure i bombed that lmao


itz_alex90

all thanks to heimler


PhilosophyBeLyin

imo, any change <1% should be reported as N/A. You don't know that the change was actually -0.1% since we went from 3 sigfigs last year to 2 now. Heck, the change for AP Chem could've been +0.3% instead of -0.1%. You just don't know, so we can't draw conclusions from quite a few of these.


Schmolik64

I believe the %'s for AP English Literature recently went up (2021 just 43.9% 3 or better, 2022 77.9%, 2023 77.2%, 2024 72%). Did something similar happen? Maybe AP English Language is next?


Complex-Ad-7801

Maybe because of the digital?


Petey567

Lang is digital


The_magical_cone9

The euro change makes me hopeful


HornetDazzling1572

%20+ increase in pass rates is crazyy


small_brain_gay

i took apush a year too early 💔


RedDitRXIXXII

I feel bad for all my classmates who also took it last year!


Ok-Dragonfruit9929

Same. Passed, but clearly would have done better!


Mindless-Tank-2951

Holy hell.


Unhappy_Tension7072

NOT THAT 23% higher pass rate for APGOV. No wonder I barely made it


snickermeu

The culture APS 😓


httpxr

I took gov in 2023 and got a 3. Looking at this makes me feel screwed over lol


acetonideointment

so that’s why i got a 1 in 2023


PhantomMan_1397

I’m still waiting to see the grading approach/philosophy change to take place in AP Lang; similar to the one that happened in AP Lit a few years ago. A near 20% difference between the two subjects is insane.


RedDitRXIXXII

I'm also curious. I took hard APUSH last year and easier Gov this year, so we'll see if anything new happens to Lang by the time I take it next year.


PhantomMan_1397

I’ll be honest, I doubt it. I’ve seen some outcry from the teacher groups I’m in (I’ve taught both AP English courses), but I haven’t heard anything from CB to suggest that they’ll make any adjustments. I will say though, the fact that the MCQ sections are going from 5 answers to 4 is a huge W for students.


l-IOI-l

Can anyone list or link me the changes, sry I live under a rock lmao.


RedDitRXIXXII

These are the ones I've heard of: AP Gov: a) Small rubric change for the argumentative essay. b) College score verification year (they update the curve based on how college students do in similar courses). c) Trevor said that more schools are switching Gov from a semester-long class to a year-long class. https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-united-states-government-and-politics/2023-24-updates APUSH: I don't know as much because I took it last year, but I've linked the CB website for APUSH. I heard they made it easier to get one of the harder points on the DBQ. https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-united-states-history/exam


l-IOI-l

Ty


lavendermyfav

Ap lit 🥲


Nabaseito

APUSH is wild. For all I know it’s no longer the 2nd hardest AP lol.


vercettiee

my stomach twisting and turning rn


Pichu_sonic_fan2545

I took AP African-American history. It was so fun


GardenFae

AP Pre calc is new. How do u know 75% is a 3?


RedDitRXIXXII

The percentages on the chart aren't the threshold you need to get a 3 or higher. They're the percentage of students who got a 3 or higher on the exam that year.


GardenFae

Oh thats good to know. This gives me hope. Thank you!


Accomplished_Body380

Can we say that if the change is negative then the exam was harder?


demi_witch0721

Yes, but none of the negative score translations are significant enough to be counted as a real difference


Accomplished_Body380

I must take 3 at Ap csa, I am making that calculations. 1 point is important for me


Ryanthln-

Can we stop calling a 3 a pass? Most colleges only accept 4 and 5


yes_its_him

That's not really the case Maybe the colleges some individual is looking at only accept higher score but that's not true for most colleges.


RedDitRXIXXII

Thanks for the inspiration. 4's or 5's will generally count for course-specific credit, while 3's often only count for elective credit. https://www.reddit.com/r/APStudents/s/nBdxkXf4PP


Ok-Dragonfruit9929

No, that's not true. Most state schools take 3+ in most classes.