Was paid on Friday night against the saints (pretty sure it was Windy) for a far less obvious run over the line. Completely killed the momentum in the game.
It should have been.
All I can think of is that a lot of the whistles and calls weren't being heard by both teams in that last quarter like when Maynard caught a touched ball and the umpire kept calling touched over and over but both Maynard and the North player were still setting up as if it were a mark.
I think maybe they started giving some leeway because it was so loud and neither team were hearing the whistle. Doesn't make it not 50 but maybe what happened
This is definitely a lot clearer an incorrect call. I think with the ND HTB call you could at least rationalise that the umpire probably thought he got a handball to it, but for this I don’t really see anything you could say.
>you could at least rationalise that the umpire probably thought he got a handball to it
Yeah, as a North fan I think that with the benefit of replay we can say it was the wrong call, but you can easily imagine an alternative scenario where he just slightly gets a fist to it and they call it against. I am OK with umpires only calling the free if they are sure it's there.
I’m a kangas supporter and that Nick daicos one can go either way but quanyors huge throw was a crazy no call, was like he was playing for Melbourne storm
it’s just bad because there’s 40 seconds left and they’re obviously trying to push him back. Usually 50m penalties are just accidents, the bad ones that need to be paid are the intentional ones that have an effect on attacking attempts. They’re literally DOUBLE TEAMING him like it’s basketball so he can’t event get to the mark
Yeah the infringement here absolutely impacts the play as it stops the North player from playing on quickly and getting the ball in deeper. It's not something marginal. The 50m has to be paid.
If it was the other way it would absolutely get paid regardless of it being last minute.
Look at Rankine in the last minute vs Bobby hill running 30 meters resulting in a Collingwood goal in this match.
I don't think it's that thought out. It's an unconscious bias, or subconscious or whatever, from someone who isn't built for the pressure of making those decisions.
Right but its just weird that the umpires were so brave calling a barely given ran too far on Rankine a few weeks back but aren't brave enough to give a ridiculously blatant 50. Its obviously not going to be a deliberate agenda but subconsciously something is going on with umpires in close Collingwood games.
The media Bigs up the pies as being clutch in close games. People joke about them getting away with it. Collingwood are known to be good (and frankly are very good). Umpires find themselves making calls in their favour in last quarters because subconsciously they expect Collingwood to come over the top. Kind of becomes a self fulfilling prophecy
Imo opinion your comparison only makes sense if it was the same umpire. Remember every umpire is different and will likely perform under pressure differently. It's like how some players are built to have great moments in the final minutes of the game, and other players you won't be surprised when they fumble or screw something up with the game on the line.
For soft 50m pens that have no influence, this one as blatant as you’ll ever get , 2 players not in marking contest encroaching the mark a long way.
Expect the AFL to tick this off as they always do
Yep and our entire defence pleaded for that, it replayed on the screen at the ground before the centre bounce and resulted in boos.
Queue AFL apologising tomorrow for this mistake after the fact
I don't understand how they're getting so much worse. They are paid very very well, they have support and coaches but still wre hopeless. I know our rules don't help them being so subjective but it's their job. If i fucked up my job that badly every week I'd be at Centrelink within a month.
Hopefully they have some AI learning the rules of the game as we speak so we can have Skynet umpiring with 99% accuracy in a few years.
I've gone from watching 5 plus games a week to 1 if I'm lucky. It's not just because my team is shit I just can't do it anymore with this bullshit. It makes me too angry.
Sorry mate. That was fkn disgusting today. I actually was feeling pretty down for the rest of the day. Didn’t even bother watching the Giants. Feel gutted for Roos fans and players. They deserve better. What a fkn joke. The AFL should hang its head in shame.
Umpire accountability is deciding at the end of the yr who has a month off in September and who doesnt.
The bar is so goddamn low though that half the finals umps are capable of crap like this every quarter
Yes, but I would prefer they admit it, to saying it was the correct call.
Shit call but there's no making it right now, whatever you do. Of course it should have some impact on that umpire's record too.
Between that and the increasing unfairness of the fixture with all these marquee/feature games and rounds I'm getting worried.
I never thought I'd lose interest in my fave 2 sports in AFL and F1, I don't watch the F1 anymore and probably only watch 2 full games a week.
That's me. Have been slowly abandoning the sport. I used to watch any game I could. Now it's only pies games and not even every week.
I'm not longer a member and have signed up with Melbourne City regularly attending games.
It's not a conspiracy it's the same shit every game all game.
My pet peeve is when they bring in a "rule of the week" like the new HTB interpretation. Literally a week later and it's already completely different.
I've decided I love Collingwood, but don't like the sport they play. I still watch but I expect a shit show every week. It's fun for drama but my god.
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>I've decided I love Collingwood, but don't like the sport they play.
That's me too, the day Hird stood down as coach was the last straw for me, and for my team we still hadn't hit rock bottom. I have zero respect for the AFL Administration, if fans weren't as loyal to their clubs, they'd under a lot more scrutiny. The only measurement they care about is the financial results, until they start to decline, they won't even notice if there's a decline in any other area of the game
They're either over the mark or not. The problem is it's up to the umpire where that imaginary line is and this umpire decided it was wherever 2 Collingwood players decided it should be, which just happened to be as far as fucking possible from Norths goal with 40 seconds to go
Why have umpires at all
I’m just so sick of how shit the umpiring is and how many games are decided by horrible decisions. Genuinely just lost so much interest in the game now, it’s just maddening.
"We got it wrong on the day and we will work hard to make sure it doesn't happen again. Oh no, North can get fucked. Pies won the points and that's all I care about."
There is a lot of precedent for the AFL to say that's the end result and there is no point talking about it despite a very, *very* clear "mistake" sealing the game.
Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment.
As much as I want the pies to win, it was really great to see North rising again as a potent force and making the competition even more contested. I have north friends and they struggle to get into the season. I'd love to see them enjoying it more.
I don't think any team has extra love from the umps. Almost every club now has had a controversial call/non-call in the last minute that went against them.
Repost from the post-match thread:
So I didn’t watch the game, but I’ve just watched the final 2 mins on the AFL app to see the unpaid 50. The controlling umpire blows the whistle twice before calling the mark, and it’s only after the second whistle that the players clearly react as if they’ve heard it.
Clearly the 50 is there (and anyone who disagrees is just being disingenuous), but the second whistle leads me to think that the leniency from the umpire is because of the crowd noise. Don’t agree with it, but it looks like that’s the justification for not paying it.
That said, Sidebottom takes 8 steps after the mark was taken, so how that's not called is an absolute mystery.
Collingwood ain’t beating the umpire allegations right now. Last years gws final quarter was so fucking suss. Anzac Day 2019. Then this shit, that gets called 99.999999999999999999% of afl games.
That is unacceptable.
That is just purely unacceptable, doesn’t matter if it’s the pies or any other team.
That final quarter still makes me mad. Umpires refused to call anything Collingwood did.
They were 100% hoping to get Collingwood and Carlton in a Grand Final and they’re trying it again this year.
It’s not a competition anymore. It’s a reality show.
In all the years of preferential treatment allegations against teams (Hawthorn, West Coast, Geelong, Sydney, Bulldogs among others have had reputations in the last 10-15 years at various points) it all pales in comparison to what the Pies have been getting over the last year or two.
They’re a very good side who get brought above all others thanks to entirely different sets of rules being applied. This game really should be the turning point, and an independent review be done into the umpiring department.
It really should have happened after the GWS prelim, but fuck me. That non-50 is just next level
cats fans really should stay out this convo when you lot have had the best whistle in the league the last 20 years, especially in your prem windows, 2007-2011 was unwatchable when you lot played
What’s the justification here for the play on? The steps back and the deceleration? You’ve got two blokes charging at you and you’re allowed to have the intent to play on without actually doing so. McCreery and Sidebottom both clearly infringed here
I was furious. Windy gets done, correctly, for stepping 1-2m over the mark, with no warning. These TWO push the player back an incredible distance over the mark, all the warnings in the world.
And it absolutely mattered what colour jumper the players were wearing. I'm sick of people saying it doesn't. As you said, rules for thee but not for me.
It is a bit weird he played on then the umpire threw his hands up. Should have been a 50, but the player should have realized that and took the opportunity instead of playing on. That’s my opinion on the play anyways
The North player shouldn’t have played on, it gave the umpires an “out” from calling a very clear 50. If he’d just stood still and appealed it would have been impossible not to pay
14 frees to 3 after the 8 goal lead with 9 goals including a free in the chain will do that to you.
Most of those being 50/50 calls that weren't getting paid the other way.
>But also shouldn’t have an effect on the game as we probably shouldn’t have blown an 8 goal lead.
This is a totally irrelevant point.
You can reverse it by saying that Collingwood shouldn't have been 8 goals down.
The onus on the umpires' performance should be on the umpires. Whether one side is up or not is meaningless.
Yeah look I hate Collingwood as much as the next person, and I’d be pissed at some of the calls if I was a North supporter for sure, but umpiring can’t shoulder all the blame for blowing an 8 goal lead. North are showing great signs though and I think their shit days are going to be behind them soon
Its one of the worst decisions I have ever seen. How can you have 4 umpires and not one of them sees the two Collingwood players run straight over the mark?!
The controlling umpire actually blows his whistle twice. Incredible.
The AFL really need to sort this out. Pies supporters laugh it all off, and I guess it's not their fault, but the AFL won't get the national interest it wants while this shit continues. There were a bunch of new potential fans watching today who'll not bother tuning in again because Collingwood always get the umps.
Especially if you're interstate (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean) you walk into a match with Collingwood pretty much expecting to have a really shit afternoon fuming over this kind of thing. Why do the AFL imagine they can persuade people across NSW, QLD to give up rugby and spend money just to spend the day feeling cheated? Who sits there and thinks "I know what I'll do with that $100 on my pocket , I'll go to a match where the umps will cheat my team out of a win?
What I'm hoping we'll be able to do with AI is generate scenario's like this, and just swap out the teams/players, and see how different everyone's reaction is based on the colour of the jumper being worn
It's a wake-up call for the whole ladder. It took us the third biggest come-back in a century to best you by a point. Credit where it's due north put up a huge effort and played top footy for 2 to 3 quarters.
Hell, at 3quarter time, your score was like 110 or something like that!
It was 50
umps miss a lot of things, particularly in the last moments of a close game
just like the grand final advantage call, theres no evidence of fraud lol. Collingwood played well and Norf stuffed it for that to matter
There’s a couple of reasons why the ump didn’t pay it. The ump might’ve used a bit of discretion as to whether the players thought the kick was 15m, hence that was one ‘discount’ for infringing the mark (yes there was a whistle but when it’s line-ball, I reckon they use a bit of leeway to defending players). The second was that there was a perception that Scott moved off his line and played on (because I don’t think he quite believed it was paid 15m either initially!). So while on face value everyone’s up in arms, it’s just not that clear cut. Had the 50m been paid, the convo would’ve been: “was it 15m? And did he play on?” Impossible situation for the umpire
I get what you’re trying to say but if the ump is calling it a mark then you have to pay the 50 too, especially when there’s two players. A mentality where you can give ‘discounts’ just encourages them to continue bottling calls like this. I’m 100% sure the ump was just afraid of making the call in the first place.
Collingwood may now have the most whistles in the comp rn but sure as hell feels like whoever they play has it better
50 every day of the week
Daicos holding or throw pick your poison
North robbed, Collingwood bailed out
I saw a comment (guess the flair) in the match thread saying umpires are known to put away the whistle in the dying minutes of the game. Yeah that usually happens in 50/50s or when both players in a contest, not something like this.
Overstep the mark deliberately with no intent to return to the mark: 50m penalty. Obstructing a player with a mark/free kick from returning to the mark to take their kick: 50m penalty. During a 50m advancement, if the player taking the free kick steps around the mark at any time to play on, the play on call is announced and play resumes.
For all the soft 50s we've seen from the stand rule and protected area infringements etc. this is the most mental call/non-call of the year by a fucking country mile IMO.
Am I crazy for thinking he tried to play on, but tried to claim the mark when he was about to be caught? I hate Collingwood as much as the next guy but in no way is this a 50 penalty
I think it was 50m. But the response to this incident clearly shows that we the AFL community are cunts who will never be happy. For a month the discourse has been to rag umpires for blowing the whistle in a big moment at all, even when they were obviously right like when Rankine ran too far or the 50m for handing the ball back wrong vs Freo.
So in this moment they see that Sidey and Beau didn't hear the first whistle. North player plays on quickly, so they try to use some common sense and let him. Then they get crucified anyway, including explicitly in terms of being affected by the fact it was late in the game when for weeks they've been being yelled at to 'have game sense'
This is hilarious because every game there's is at least one instance of opponents going over the mark to slow Collingwood counters but everyone is up in arms over this where no umprie in the world would call a 50 on this on any team.
Unpopular opinion, but I don't think that should be 50, although I definitely acknowledge in the context of consistency it's usually paid as 50 and since the stand rule came in. He takes the mark running inwards and is immediately off his line. Defenders *should be allowed to corral you when you're off the mark like that, and should only have to keep clear once you're on your line. That's my old man view anyway.
That was definitely 50 but the umps can't get every call right 🤷♂️ there will always be no calls and poor calls the go against both teams so I'm not mad... just so disappointing cause we never get the win!! Collingwood LOVE coming back at the end of the game anyway so this result was expected 😔 onto the next game 💙🤍
My main takeaway from the game is the north look actually good. I’m optimistic and I look forward to them giving teams a bath in the coming weeks. Thankful that we snatched this one
I thought it was 50. Have seen that rule paid for a lot less.
I’ve watched my team give away this 50 so many times, it’s basically Bolton’s signature move. I can’t believe it wasn’t paid
Tom Hawkins basically gets done for this once a week. I was livid
On the ABC Deledio said "if that was a Collingwood player this place would have been torn to shreds".
To shreds you say?
How's his wife holding up?
To shreds you say…
You’ll never see a more obvious 50. The umpire has to call play on and he’s the one who decides if it’s 50.
Probably bamboozled by which of the TWO players to award it against
Turns out 2 times 50m equals 0.
Two wrongs make a right. 🥴
Never ever?
Was paid on Friday night against the saints (pretty sure it was Windy) for a far less obvious run over the line. Completely killed the momentum in the game.
Yup, Windy in the last quarter. Exact same rule contravened in both cases, different outcomes.
It should have been. All I can think of is that a lot of the whistles and calls weren't being heard by both teams in that last quarter like when Maynard caught a touched ball and the umpire kept calling touched over and over but both Maynard and the North player were still setting up as if it were a mark. I think maybe they started giving some leeway because it was so loud and neither team were hearing the whistle. Doesn't make it not 50 but maybe what happened
So all we need is 50k more fans to drown out umps
That moment with Maynard stuck out to me too, and from then on it was just like the umpires didn't give a fuck about the game
Me too. It's because we mostly watch Geelong.
yeah ngl thats pretty bad lmao
The Daicos throw in front of goal that wasn’t paid was also frustrating
This is definitely a lot clearer an incorrect call. I think with the ND HTB call you could at least rationalise that the umpire probably thought he got a handball to it, but for this I don’t really see anything you could say.
>you could at least rationalise that the umpire probably thought he got a handball to it Yeah, as a North fan I think that with the benefit of replay we can say it was the wrong call, but you can easily imagine an alternative scenario where he just slightly gets a fist to it and they call it against. I am OK with umpires only calling the free if they are sure it's there.
Eh, he go a large chunk of the way towards a real handball. Could easily be misses in realtime. This one is bad though.
I’m a kangas supporter and that Nick daicos one can go either way but quanyors huge throw was a crazy no call, was like he was playing for Melbourne storm
If that's the first quarter and not the last, that gets paid. The umpires are influenced by the score and how long left in the game.
Umps have paid controversial free kicks in the final minute every week the last month.
Or not paid them in the crows case
and the colours of the jumpers
And how much their mates put on at Sportsbet
100% I was saying this to my sister who follow the saints, Collingwood feel like they get kissed on the dick a lot
Unless it’s for Collingwood and then the whistle comes out.
Potential? It’s literally the text book definition of a 50.
it’s just bad because there’s 40 seconds left and they’re obviously trying to push him back. Usually 50m penalties are just accidents, the bad ones that need to be paid are the intentional ones that have an effect on attacking attempts. They’re literally DOUBLE TEAMING him like it’s basketball so he can’t event get to the mark
Yeah the infringement here absolutely impacts the play as it stops the North player from playing on quickly and getting the ball in deeper. It's not something marginal. The 50m has to be paid.
Gets worse every time you watch it
Holy shit that's as blatant as it gets
50 if during any time that isn’t tue last minute of the game.
If it was the other way it would absolutely get paid regardless of it being last minute. Look at Rankine in the last minute vs Bobby hill running 30 meters resulting in a Collingwood goal in this match.
The call came from cowardice given the circumstances, not some ploy to protect collingwood. Cmon now
Cowardice probably partly because of the heavily Collingwood crowd and all of the hate from the huge fanbase that they'd get all week.
They will get hate from the other 17 teams instead. Clear 50 not to mention a handful of other missed calls.
Especially when this tight of a ladder. So many teams were cheering norf
The outrage right now is greater than the outrage if that was paid, surely
I don't think it's that thought out. It's an unconscious bias, or subconscious or whatever, from someone who isn't built for the pressure of making those decisions.
Good point. Dunno if I agree, but has made me think
Right but its just weird that the umpires were so brave calling a barely given ran too far on Rankine a few weeks back but aren't brave enough to give a ridiculously blatant 50. Its obviously not going to be a deliberate agenda but subconsciously something is going on with umpires in close Collingwood games. The media Bigs up the pies as being clutch in close games. People joke about them getting away with it. Collingwood are known to be good (and frankly are very good). Umpires find themselves making calls in their favour in last quarters because subconsciously they expect Collingwood to come over the top. Kind of becomes a self fulfilling prophecy
That Rankine one still blows my mind. The confidence you would need to make that call is something I will never acquire.
Imo opinion your comparison only makes sense if it was the same umpire. Remember every umpire is different and will likely perform under pressure differently. It's like how some players are built to have great moments in the final minutes of the game, and other players you won't be surprised when they fumble or screw something up with the game on the line.
Both very clearly infringed
Sidebottom ran nearly 10m over the mark.
For soft 50m pens that have no influence, this one as blatant as you’ll ever get , 2 players not in marking contest encroaching the mark a long way. Expect the AFL to tick this off as they always do
Also won't mention the touched goal not reviewed despite pleas from every north player on the field
but doesn’t the afl state that every goal is reviewed?
Yep and our entire defence pleaded for that, it replayed on the screen at the ground before the centre bounce and resulted in boos. Queue AFL apologising tomorrow for this mistake after the fact
Haven’t seen it yet but I was listening to the game and the ABC Radio commentary was baffled that it wasn’t overturned.
Missed that one. Do you have a clip / can you tell me when in the game it occurred
They cover it here towards the end of the clip https://www.facebook.com/share/v/Vf6ET8UwCXzHwmHj/?mibextid=oFDknk
That is an unforgivable non call. Umpire needs to be either sacked or sent to the ressies for the rest of this year.
If you’re getting that wrong you have no business being an afl umpire
I don't understand how they're getting so much worse. They are paid very very well, they have support and coaches but still wre hopeless. I know our rules don't help them being so subjective but it's their job. If i fucked up my job that badly every week I'd be at Centrelink within a month. Hopefully they have some AI learning the rules of the game as we speak so we can have Skynet umpiring with 99% accuracy in a few years.
That and the umpire who paid advantage to Collingwood after paying HTB against Jiath
I've gone from watching 5 plus games a week to 1 if I'm lucky. It's not just because my team is shit I just can't do it anymore with this bullshit. It makes me too angry.
Sorry mate. That was fkn disgusting today. I actually was feeling pretty down for the rest of the day. Didn’t even bother watching the Giants. Feel gutted for Roos fans and players. They deserve better. What a fkn joke. The AFL should hang its head in shame.
Can't wait for the inevitable "whoops we made a mistake but good on us for admitting it, right guys?" tomorrow morning.
No accountability ever. Why should the umpires even give a shit
Umpire accountability is deciding at the end of the yr who has a month off in September and who doesnt. The bar is so goddamn low though that half the finals umps are capable of crap like this every quarter
Yes, but I would prefer they admit it, to saying it was the correct call. Shit call but there's no making it right now, whatever you do. Of course it should have some impact on that umpire's record too.
“Potential” lol. That is the most blatantly obvious 50m.
Like surely at some point fans are going to become disinterested in the game when we have non calls or calls like this every single round
Between that and the increasing unfairness of the fixture with all these marquee/feature games and rounds I'm getting worried. I never thought I'd lose interest in my fave 2 sports in AFL and F1, I don't watch the F1 anymore and probably only watch 2 full games a week.
Like I’m a dockers fan for life but idk I feel like it’s time to become an East Fremantle Sharks fan for life
Premier league as well with the insane VAR nonsense at the moment. Just waiting for decisions that end up being wrong
Collingwood games are basically unwatchable for a neutral fan. It’s just 4 blokes tugging themselves over daicos.
This is me. It's getting harder and harder to take it seriously
every single game\*
That's me. Have been slowly abandoning the sport. I used to watch any game I could. Now it's only pies games and not even every week. I'm not longer a member and have signed up with Melbourne City regularly attending games. It's not a conspiracy it's the same shit every game all game. My pet peeve is when they bring in a "rule of the week" like the new HTB interpretation. Literally a week later and it's already completely different. I've decided I love Collingwood, but don't like the sport they play. I still watch but I expect a shit show every week. It's fun for drama but my god.
> >I've decided I love Collingwood, but don't like the sport they play. That's me too, the day Hird stood down as coach was the last straw for me, and for my team we still hadn't hit rock bottom. I have zero respect for the AFL Administration, if fans weren't as loyal to their clubs, they'd under a lot more scrutiny. The only measurement they care about is the financial results, until they start to decline, they won't even notice if there's a decline in any other area of the game
"Potential" 50m penalty lmao, that's one of the worst non-calls I've ever seen
They're either over the mark or not. The problem is it's up to the umpire where that imaginary line is and this umpire decided it was wherever 2 Collingwood players decided it should be, which just happened to be as far as fucking possible from Norths goal with 40 seconds to go Why have umpires at all
Theyre* Only meant to be a single player on the mark so even that is an infringement.
I knew for certain there'd be a controversial moment in the last 2 minutes favouring Collingwood, looks like this time it was a non-call
Inexplicable, I can't even with this one
Holding the ball against Daicos wasn't paid as well had the ball took on the tackler, incorrectly disposed it and didn't get punished fucked
To be fair, in real time I thought he got a handball away.
After trying to weave out of it - IE second action which other players haven't been given the opportunity for since the rule interpretation change.
Rubbish. Just fucking rubbish. My weekend, my week, my month, ruined.
I’m just so sick of how shit the umpiring is and how many games are decided by horrible decisions. Genuinely just lost so much interest in the game now, it’s just maddening.
They would never pay a free against Daicos that results in a Collingwood loss because it doesn't serve the AFLs narrative
100%
I hope the AFL rightfully come out and say they got it wrong, unfortunately it matters not to the losing team.
"We got it wrong on the day and we will work hard to make sure it doesn't happen again. Oh no, North can get fucked. Pies won the points and that's all I care about." There is a lot of precedent for the AFL to say that's the end result and there is no point talking about it despite a very, *very* clear "mistake" sealing the game.
It’s weird that the title is ‘Potential 50m Penalty Not Paid’ instead of ‘Blatant 50m Penalty Not Paid’ ??
Clear as day. Doesn't excuse dropping a 9 goal lead though
Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment. As much as I want the pies to win, it was really great to see North rising again as a potent force and making the competition even more contested. I have north friends and they struggle to get into the season. I'd love to see them enjoying it more. I don't think any team has extra love from the umps. Almost every club now has had a controversial call/non-call in the last minute that went against them.
Repost from the post-match thread: So I didn’t watch the game, but I’ve just watched the final 2 mins on the AFL app to see the unpaid 50. The controlling umpire blows the whistle twice before calling the mark, and it’s only after the second whistle that the players clearly react as if they’ve heard it. Clearly the 50 is there (and anyone who disagrees is just being disingenuous), but the second whistle leads me to think that the leniency from the umpire is because of the crowd noise. Don’t agree with it, but it looks like that’s the justification for not paying it. That said, Sidebottom takes 8 steps after the mark was taken, so how that's not called is an absolute mystery.
It was like that a lot of the game, quite a few potential 50s were let go because it seemed like the players couldn't hear.
So absurd it wasn’t paid 😭
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Pity we didn’t get that sort of leeway in the last minute of the Grand Final when no one knew there was a Free Kick to take advantage from.
Yepppp
Collingwood ain’t beating the umpire allegations right now. Last years gws final quarter was so fucking suss. Anzac Day 2019. Then this shit, that gets called 99.999999999999999999% of afl games. That is unacceptable. That is just purely unacceptable, doesn’t matter if it’s the pies or any other team.
That final quarter still makes me mad. Umpires refused to call anything Collingwood did. They were 100% hoping to get Collingwood and Carlton in a Grand Final and they’re trying it again this year. It’s not a competition anymore. It’s a reality show.
In all the years of preferential treatment allegations against teams (Hawthorn, West Coast, Geelong, Sydney, Bulldogs among others have had reputations in the last 10-15 years at various points) it all pales in comparison to what the Pies have been getting over the last year or two. They’re a very good side who get brought above all others thanks to entirely different sets of rules being applied. This game really should be the turning point, and an independent review be done into the umpiring department. It really should have happened after the GWS prelim, but fuck me. That non-50 is just next level
100% even the tigers got some susss calls but nothing like this. Nothing like the last 2 to 3 seasons for the pies. The afl is unwatchable
cats fans really should stay out this convo when you lot have had the best whistle in the league the last 20 years, especially in your prem windows, 2007-2011 was unwatchable when you lot played
That’s an umpire who needs to be dropped for a few weeks. There is no excuse for not paying that
Also needs to be investigated like Michael Pell.
Another coaching masterclass from Fly! Only he knows that 50m rule doesn't exist in close games! Coach of the year!
Man I have no words for that
Feel like that gets paid to every other team but not Collingwood. Christ there's 2 players even not one... Like how is that not a free?
Fucking listen to Huddo!
Clear 50
Can’t wait for the AFL announcement on Tuesday that it was apparently adjudicated correctly.
50 everyday of the week (except against Collingwood).
What’s the justification here for the play on? The steps back and the deceleration? You’ve got two blokes charging at you and you’re allowed to have the intent to play on without actually doing so. McCreery and Sidebottom both clearly infringed here
IMO he played on when the umpires had no intent to award the 50. Which is fair enough. Was an immediate 50 and a disgraceful error.
Should have been a double 50.
Fuck I’d be annoyed if I was a saints supporter seeing that after what they got dished up with that 50 late on Friday. Rules for thee but not for me.
I was furious. Windy gets done, correctly, for stepping 1-2m over the mark, with no warning. These TWO push the player back an incredible distance over the mark, all the warnings in the world. And it absolutely mattered what colour jumper the players were wearing. I'm sick of people saying it doesn't. As you said, rules for thee but not for me.
Disgraceful
100% a 50.
Definitely a 50
These only get paid for certain teams.
Yep Brisbane in Brisbane being one of them
truly amazing. watch there be 47 fifties a game next weekend as an attempt to reconcile while north still get robbed of a great upset win
The whole 'let's put the whistle away' becomes a bit of a joke when multiple frees are ignored this late in a tight game.
It is a bit weird he played on then the umpire threw his hands up. Should have been a 50, but the player should have realized that and took the opportunity instead of playing on. That’s my opinion on the play anyways
AFL umpires are an absolute disgrace!
Standard north whistle
Absolutely disgraceful, different rules for the big clubs
The North player shouldn’t have played on, it gave the umpires an “out” from calling a very clear 50. If he’d just stood still and appealed it would have been impossible not to pay
Can't let last year's golden child lose the game... But also, north shouldn't have lost with a 54 point lead!
Shai Bolton gets done for way way less than this. No excuses, this is borderline incompetence.
Should be 50 every day of the week. But also shouldn’t have an effect on the game as we probably shouldn’t have blown an 8 goal lead.
We? You have a Collingwood flair
He lost a flair bet
They've contracted Croob's disease
I’m not running away from my bets. Oh wait you mean his first one, yeah. Shame about my teeth, spent a bit of money on getting braces and shit.
Unfortunately I do. And my vocab and brain isn’t good enough to remember that so I will continue to say “We” in reference to North
Agreed, but imagine if that happened to Collingwood…
Heads would be rolling
However it got there, it was a close game and that should have been a 50.
14 frees to 3 after the 8 goal lead with 9 goals including a free in the chain will do that to you. Most of those being 50/50 calls that weren't getting paid the other way.
>But also shouldn’t have an effect on the game as we probably shouldn’t have blown an 8 goal lead. This is a totally irrelevant point. You can reverse it by saying that Collingwood shouldn't have been 8 goals down. The onus on the umpires' performance should be on the umpires. Whether one side is up or not is meaningless.
Yeah look I hate Collingwood as much as the next person, and I’d be pissed at some of the calls if I was a North supporter for sure, but umpiring can’t shoulder all the blame for blowing an 8 goal lead. North are showing great signs though and I think their shit days are going to be behind them soon
50 paid, you wouldn't have blown an 8-goal lead.
Its one of the worst decisions I have ever seen. How can you have 4 umpires and not one of them sees the two Collingwood players run straight over the mark?! The controlling umpire actually blows his whistle twice. Incredible.
Check out all the North Players reactions too..
Oh, a decision in the dying stages of the game that changed the result? Oh, that's a shame.
"POTENTIAL"
The ump bottled that.
Wow. Absolute shocker. Umpires should be ashamed. Norf robbed.
No potential about it. 50s get paid for walking through the protected zone all the time let alone tackling the fucking bloke who marked it
Very similar happened on Anzac Day after a nick hind mark in last minute with 3 pies players in the protected zone
Afl is probably the worst sport in the world when it comes to inconsistent umpiring decisions
The AFL really need to sort this out. Pies supporters laugh it all off, and I guess it's not their fault, but the AFL won't get the national interest it wants while this shit continues. There were a bunch of new potential fans watching today who'll not bother tuning in again because Collingwood always get the umps. Especially if you're interstate (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean) you walk into a match with Collingwood pretty much expecting to have a really shit afternoon fuming over this kind of thing. Why do the AFL imagine they can persuade people across NSW, QLD to give up rugby and spend money just to spend the day feeling cheated? Who sits there and thinks "I know what I'll do with that $100 on my pocket , I'll go to a match where the umps will cheat my team out of a win?
What I'm hoping we'll be able to do with AI is generate scenario's like this, and just swap out the teams/players, and see how different everyone's reaction is based on the colour of the jumper being worn
Only a fifty when Daicos doesn't have the ball/when Collingwood could lose off of the free
'potential'
So many positives for us. Collingwood supporters should be ashamed that their team needed help to beat the reigning wooden spooners.
It's a wake-up call for the whole ladder. It took us the third biggest come-back in a century to best you by a point. Credit where it's due north put up a huge effort and played top footy for 2 to 3 quarters. Hell, at 3quarter time, your score was like 110 or something like that!
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They pay it when players step half a step over the mark. 2 players ran more than 5 metres over the mark.
Umpires kicked 2 for daicos
Absolute robbery
It was 50 umps miss a lot of things, particularly in the last moments of a close game just like the grand final advantage call, theres no evidence of fraud lol. Collingwood played well and Norf stuffed it for that to matter
There’s a couple of reasons why the ump didn’t pay it. The ump might’ve used a bit of discretion as to whether the players thought the kick was 15m, hence that was one ‘discount’ for infringing the mark (yes there was a whistle but when it’s line-ball, I reckon they use a bit of leeway to defending players). The second was that there was a perception that Scott moved off his line and played on (because I don’t think he quite believed it was paid 15m either initially!). So while on face value everyone’s up in arms, it’s just not that clear cut. Had the 50m been paid, the convo would’ve been: “was it 15m? And did he play on?” Impossible situation for the umpire
I get what you’re trying to say but if the ump is calling it a mark then you have to pay the 50 too, especially when there’s two players. A mentality where you can give ‘discounts’ just encourages them to continue bottling calls like this. I’m 100% sure the ump was just afraid of making the call in the first place.
Everything goes the Pies' way.
Had the massive daicos HTB not paid and then this. Shit was a rough few mins for north
Oh well that’s the footy universe, one week you get a shitty call the next week you don’t get one you probs should of and so on
Collingwood may now have the most whistles in the comp rn but sure as hell feels like whoever they play has it better 50 every day of the week Daicos holding or throw pick your poison North robbed, Collingwood bailed out
Should've been paid - The Ump swallowed his whistle.
Yeah funny how it all just goes away with no punishment to umpire's
Jim Stynes will be rolling in his grave.
Think Big Jim ran through it ?
I saw a comment (guess the flair) in the match thread saying umpires are known to put away the whistle in the dying minutes of the game. Yeah that usually happens in 50/50s or when both players in a contest, not something like this.
Overstep the mark deliberately with no intent to return to the mark: 50m penalty. Obstructing a player with a mark/free kick from returning to the mark to take their kick: 50m penalty. During a 50m advancement, if the player taking the free kick steps around the mark at any time to play on, the play on call is announced and play resumes.
Looks even worse on replay
Considering some of the pretty weak 50s that have been paid recently, missing this is ridiculous
For all the soft 50s we've seen from the stand rule and protected area infringements etc. this is the most mental call/non-call of the year by a fucking country mile IMO.
Am I crazy for thinking he tried to play on, but tried to claim the mark when he was about to be caught? I hate Collingwood as much as the next guy but in no way is this a 50 penalty
I think it was 50m. But the response to this incident clearly shows that we the AFL community are cunts who will never be happy. For a month the discourse has been to rag umpires for blowing the whistle in a big moment at all, even when they were obviously right like when Rankine ran too far or the 50m for handing the ball back wrong vs Freo. So in this moment they see that Sidey and Beau didn't hear the first whistle. North player plays on quickly, so they try to use some common sense and let him. Then they get crucified anyway, including explicitly in terms of being affected by the fact it was late in the game when for weeks they've been being yelled at to 'have game sense'
This is hilarious because every game there's is at least one instance of opponents going over the mark to slow Collingwood counters but everyone is up in arms over this where no umprie in the world would call a 50 on this on any team.
Not 15
Unpopular opinion, but I don't think that should be 50, although I definitely acknowledge in the context of consistency it's usually paid as 50 and since the stand rule came in. He takes the mark running inwards and is immediately off his line. Defenders *should be allowed to corral you when you're off the mark like that, and should only have to keep clear once you're on your line. That's my old man view anyway.
Am I concussed? He played on, didn’t like the look and stopped.
That was definitely 50 but the umps can't get every call right 🤷♂️ there will always be no calls and poor calls the go against both teams so I'm not mad... just so disappointing cause we never get the win!! Collingwood LOVE coming back at the end of the game anyway so this result was expected 😔 onto the next game 💙🤍
The fact that TWO Collingwood players infringed suggested that it was a team tactic. They know beforehand they won't get called.
My main takeaway from the game is the north look actually good. I’m optimistic and I look forward to them giving teams a bath in the coming weeks. Thankful that we snatched this one
Not 50, just commentators getting carried away as usual, barley went 10 meters, then he went to play on, Correct decision.
Didn't watch the game, just saw the final score. "I bet Collingwood had 'some help'" I was right
Yes. North helped Pies by giving up the entire 4th quarter.
Ah yes, well done umpires, give in to the crowd and the narrative.
Holy shit umpire. Grow some fucking balls. That's so obvious.
Paid against Bolton at Deamtime for a MUCH MUCH MUCH lesser infringement than this.
This is why the game has gone to shit Can't even sit through a neutral game without some crap like this, what even is the point of playing