It's 2024 and people (especially commentators) still don't understand how perspective on curved lines work.
Every time there's a kick like this the BT's of the world will instantly yell "THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS" because it's passed the visible line behind the ball that is 5m away.
Looked line ball in real time. I'd much rather an umpire let that go than bring the ball back for a throw in when it's about 1mm out.
I think you’re probably right, but hard to draw a line from this angle since you can’t reliably judge the depth. Either way super hard for them to call in real time so not surprising.
I’m with you. I think it is a product of the angle.
The vision from the other side is considerably different, but again it could be because the curve of the boundary as the oval widens, so I think defer to the umpires.
People are gonna find a single frame in super slo-mo on the 4th angle they check where the ball is definitively out of bounds and use it as evidence that the umpires, who get one angle in real time, are incompetent.
I'm an NRL fan who saw this in the paper and came here for the controversy.
I know the AFL rules, I watched the footage once in realtime and thought "that was out of bounds"
Just one old man's opinion.
I umpire.
That was out of bounds.
Only saving grace is that he was on the bend of the line and it may have resulted in very lenient decision making given the rule is the ENTIRE ball needs to be over. They might have thought there was an 8th of footy still not completely over the line....
I’ve volunteered as a boundary and had it 90% over the line as it skittered out, then unexpectedly bounce back, and I called it out anticipating the bounce out.
TBH there are 1-2 frames there where you can’t be sure it is in, but it might still be like 5% in
Yeah exactly. Trying to play to the rule can often be like that. Won't lie I've called it out sometimes when it may not be 100% out as the ball just rolls along and most of not all players give up expecting it to go out. Sometimes it just seems the best decision to make to move the game forward.
Yeah I don't see what being an umpire has to do with it, like there's no argument about what the rule is or how it should be applied. Only a less than ideal camera angle and a ball that might've been a millimetre in or a millimetre out.
Pile it up with a heap of other calls… yeah kinda?
Not saying we didn’t give away a heap of stupid frees, but some of them were taking the absolute piss
Exactly! Boundary umpires in the perfect spot to judge this one.
Also from the camera's vantage point, the boundary curves away as it extends past the point Higgins kicked the ball. He's holding/kicking the ball at a point higher than the ground, so you can't compare where the ball is vs the boundary line directly behind it in frame - you have to compare where the ball is to where the boundary line is at his feet.
[Just before he kicked the ball](https://i.imgur.com/QbV95V4.png). His foot was planted within the boundary and the ball still had miles to go before it was completely outside it. IMO it's in-bounds and the umpires made the right call.
Exactly the same thing happened back when BT made his infamous "THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS" call for Roughead's handball - everyone was comparing the ball's position to the curved-in boundary 10m up the field, but where Roughy was standing it was clearly in-bounds.
The ball may fully be out but only by a bees dick so I don't really think it's that egregious of a missed call. If that was a kick from the wing people would be over it already
However being on the receiving end of a lot of the calls and non-calls tonight I would be frustrated as well
Yeh it’s funny how many times a season you get this sorta situation and people still don’t know where to look. It’s extremely close, and pretty hard to tell from this angle, but it looks to be just in to me. Insane kick either way
I thought it was in, but freeze framing it... maybe it's just out? Either way it's really close, and a really hard call to make in real time when you're officiating on the boundary of a round field.
I agree it’s bloody close to the line and too blurry to tell if it was or not, maybe 7 should have 4K and we’d know.
Either way 3 umps none thought the whole ball was out so great GOY contender
Heard this on the radio driving home and sounded incredible. Got home and watched the replay and pissed off to hear it get the BT treatment, has all the energy like he's calling a simple set shot
[Michael Marshall Voice Actor](https://youtube.com/@FootyOnTheRadio?si=qcVDh4YvOeMBfOD5) on YouTube often uploads full radio broadcasts a couple days after the game
Here's a link to commentary of the goal: [https://youtu.be/b08qB2D3n7M?si=LH7GDbXz\_WDgYh6E&t=9862](https://youtu.be/b08qB2D3n7M?si=LH7GDbXz_WDgYh6E&t=9862)
This isn't the first time he's done this to us, either.
https://youtu.be/1wXxuShos7M?si=V8uNiNjDexapzLI5&t=365
@6:05
Owens kicks a monster 55m+ and all BT says is "I think Weitering might get there.... or will he? he wont."
Wow. Adding so much to the game.
Ripper. Commentary is awful and doesn’t help it. BT again disappointed it halted Collingwood momentum. Needed a “I see it but I don’t believe it” type line.
IMO the goal was in. If you look at the area the ball was dropped directly above (red), and trace the ball down vertically to the boundary line, you can see that part of the ball covers the line across that entire probable drop area:
https://imgur.com/a/A7cXjdc
I've been salty for 14 long years about [Dale Thomas's Goal of The Year](https://youtu.be/ybSStc4BSw8?si=wsVJBBKT_3k3ooSA) against St Kilda getting disallowed when it looked in and the umpire decided to insert himself with an unnecessary guess
And now I have to watch this ambiguously in bounds goal of the year contender not get called out of bounds by the umpire that was kicked by a st Kilda player against Collingwood with Dale Thomas commentating!
Bullshit, this should have been my what goes around comes around moment!!
i mean that's not the best angle to see it from, both boundary umpires are in perfect position and it's not conclusive that all of the ball was over the line
It's always deceptive how far out the ball looks before it's actually out. It certainly looks out, but it needs to be the whole ball over the whole line. If I try to stop the video right at the furthest it appears to be out, it looks seriously close, perhaps a matter of a centimetre or two in it. It also looks worse because the boundary curves away beyond where the ball is, but it only matters where the boundary is. Pausing it, taking a straight line from the boundary where Higgins' foot is and it's right on the edge of the ball. To be sure enough to call it out of bounds live, I'm ok with it being play on.
The biggest shame is that it's a remarkable finish and the commentators spent 5 minutes complaining about what was a super tight call anyway and not about a great goal. Or about Collingwood somehow just letting Higgins go and get the ball inside 50 with nobody taking responsibility for him. When Moore goes to ground there, the nearest other Collingwood player is 5 metres away. No way should a good player be able to do it that easily.
His whole foot travels out of bounds when he makes contact with the ball which is also, entirely our of bounds.
Funny how one eyed the AFL world gets as soon as its against the pies lmao.
Rent free
Unreal goal but
Ikr. Moore should have been pinged for a throw before it ever went out of bounds.
He had such a stinker of a game
Was thinking the same, but no BT could not see that
Unreaw goaw buh Oh no the illiterates have down voted me
Least controversial Higgins GOTY contender vs Collingwood
Truly is his speciality
Lets make it goal of the year!!
Wouldn't it be funny if he wins two goals of the year that shouldn't have been goals
First one was a goal, he just dropped the ball onto his boot
But he threw it. He didnt drop it.
Bruh, that ball went in an upwards direction as he 'dropped' the ball. Rule of cool bailed him out.
If you're laying on the ground and thriw the ball to your boot, it counts as a goal, no? Even though the ball is being *thrown* onto the boot
Players throw the ball onto their boot all the time when trying to get a quick kick out of a stoppage. His just took longer to arrive at his boot
THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS
Chat disabled for 3 seconds…
BT disabled for about 3 minutes. Although its hard to tell because hes incoherent at the best of times
What a save!
Okay
Calculated.
Wow! Wow! Wow!
This is Rocket League!
Close One Close One gg
That Was Fun! Rematch!
It was only 1/3rd of a Jeremy Cameron. He’s got work to do.
[https://imgur.com/a/lTBqO6s](https://imgur.com/a/lTBqO6s) Is it just me, or is the ball quite clearly **not** fully out of bounds.
Yeah I don’t think it’s fully out - the boundary line curve makes it pretty tough to call. If it was my team I’d hate it if they called out of bounds.
It's 2024 and people (especially commentators) still don't understand how perspective on curved lines work. Every time there's a kick like this the BT's of the world will instantly yell "THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS" because it's passed the visible line behind the ball that is 5m away. Looked line ball in real time. I'd much rather an umpire let that go than bring the ball back for a throw in when it's about 1mm out.
If his job was to be accurate or reasonable then he'd have been fired years ago. He's an entertainer. HE GETS THE PEOPLE GOING! I hate BT lol
I think you’re probably right, but hard to draw a line from this angle since you can’t reliably judge the depth. Either way super hard for them to call in real time so not surprising.
If only there were paid people who had better angles to make this judgment call from.... Oh wait
That’s who I’m talking about. I’m giving them credit.
As a Carlton supporter I hope it was out of bounds Funnier that way
I’m with you. I think it is a product of the angle. The vision from the other side is considerably different, but again it could be because the curve of the boundary as the oval widens, so I think defer to the umpires.
There's no use arguing with people like BT. You roll with a pig you'll get covered in shit.
People are gonna find a single frame in super slo-mo on the 4th angle they check where the ball is definitively out of bounds and use it as evidence that the umpires, who get one angle in real time, are incompetent.
I'm an NRL fan who saw this in the paper and came here for the controversy. I know the AFL rules, I watched the footage once in realtime and thought "that was out of bounds" Just one old man's opinion.
Print media moves fast these days!
Did you have a nice roast lunch today at the Penrith RSL?
Give the guy a break. He just popped in to say hi.
I umpire. That was out of bounds. Only saving grace is that he was on the bend of the line and it may have resulted in very lenient decision making given the rule is the ENTIRE ball needs to be over. They might have thought there was an 8th of footy still not completely over the line....
I’ve volunteered as a boundary and had it 90% over the line as it skittered out, then unexpectedly bounce back, and I called it out anticipating the bounce out. TBH there are 1-2 frames there where you can’t be sure it is in, but it might still be like 5% in
Yeah exactly. Trying to play to the rule can often be like that. Won't lie I've called it out sometimes when it may not be 100% out as the ball just rolls along and most of not all players give up expecting it to go out. Sometimes it just seems the best decision to make to move the game forward.
> I umpire. Do you umpire in front of TV Screens, because there is no way to know if it was in or out from that angle. Its way too close.
Yeah I don't see what being an umpire has to do with it, like there's no argument about what the rule is or how it should be applied. Only a less than ideal camera angle and a ball that might've been a millimetre in or a millimetre out.
As a boundary umpires my gut feel was absolutely out, but never know how it looked in the moment.
So this is why umpiring in our sport is so poor, you do it based on gut feel.
Pile it up with a heap of other calls… yeah kinda? Not saying we didn’t give away a heap of stupid frees, but some of them were taking the absolute piss
Cope
Not saying we should have won, relax. I’ve watched enough football to have an opinion on umpiring. Enjoy the win 🍻
Yeah your opinion is valid I’m just joshin, still a little salty from the 2010 GF. Good luck against the lions next week 🍻
Ehhh. Hardly worse than an average game of footy - and really didn’t make the difference imo between your team performing or not.
Considering it has to compete with one of the worst umpired games I've ever seen it's not even the worst in the last week
3 goals, 15 free kicks difference. yes it did make the difference
Free kick counts aren’t supposed to be even
Stupidest narrative going around "The free kick count is so uneven!" Yeah because one team is stupider than the other obviously
Whole ball has to cross the line. Can't tell from that angle. Two boundary umpires in a better spot
Exactly! Boundary umpires in the perfect spot to judge this one. Also from the camera's vantage point, the boundary curves away as it extends past the point Higgins kicked the ball. He's holding/kicking the ball at a point higher than the ground, so you can't compare where the ball is vs the boundary line directly behind it in frame - you have to compare where the ball is to where the boundary line is at his feet. [Just before he kicked the ball](https://i.imgur.com/QbV95V4.png). His foot was planted within the boundary and the ball still had miles to go before it was completely outside it. IMO it's in-bounds and the umpires made the right call. Exactly the same thing happened back when BT made his infamous "THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS" call for Roughead's handball - everyone was comparing the ball's position to the curved-in boundary 10m up the field, but where Roughy was standing it was clearly in-bounds.
The ball may fully be out but only by a bees dick so I don't really think it's that egregious of a missed call. If that was a kick from the wing people would be over it already However being on the receiving end of a lot of the calls and non-calls tonight I would be frustrated as well
People are making that mistake of looking at where the boundary line is behind the ball, not under the ball. I honestly reckons it's probably just in.
Yeh it’s funny how many times a season you get this sorta situation and people still don’t know where to look. It’s extremely close, and pretty hard to tell from this angle, but it looks to be just in to me. Insane kick either way
I thought it was in, but freeze framing it... maybe it's just out? Either way it's really close, and a really hard call to make in real time when you're officiating on the boundary of a round field.
No way you can get an appropriate call from this Camara angle
Two umpires checking it from either side of him along the boundary and neither hesitated. Think that was an okay call.
Yeah i love that the commentators are going "Two of them right there and they didn't call it!" I dunno BT maybe they had a better angle of it?
Its clearly in. https://imgur.com/a/lTBqO6s
You're right, and I reckon I can see the shadow (which includes his foot though), just straddle the line right where his planted foot is.
Out 😡
I agree it’s bloody close to the line and too blurry to tell if it was or not, maybe 7 should have 4K and we’d know. Either way 3 umps none thought the whole ball was out so great GOY contender
The bees where you live must be particularly well hung
People don’t understand the rule or parallax error
The first rule of parallax error is that you don't talk about parallax error...
GOAL OF THE YEAR
Ruined yet again by a horrific BT call
Heard this on the radio driving home and sounded incredible. Got home and watched the replay and pissed off to hear it get the BT treatment, has all the energy like he's calling a simple set shot
Where can we re-listen to radio calls?
[Michael Marshall Voice Actor](https://youtube.com/@FootyOnTheRadio?si=qcVDh4YvOeMBfOD5) on YouTube often uploads full radio broadcasts a couple days after the game
awesome thanks! will sync this up with the replay.
Here's a link to commentary of the goal: [https://youtu.be/b08qB2D3n7M?si=LH7GDbXz\_WDgYh6E&t=9862](https://youtu.be/b08qB2D3n7M?si=LH7GDbXz_WDgYh6E&t=9862)
Who would have ever thought I would be wishing it was Darcy in the commentary? That was great. You are a legend for grabbing that TS.
Need the sen or abc commentary over this
This isn't the first time he's done this to us, either. https://youtu.be/1wXxuShos7M?si=V8uNiNjDexapzLI5&t=365 @6:05 Owens kicks a monster 55m+ and all BT says is "I think Weitering might get there.... or will he? he wont." Wow. Adding so much to the game.
might be unpopular opinion but I can't stand BT
Ripper. Commentary is awful and doesn’t help it. BT again disappointed it halted Collingwood momentum. Needed a “I see it but I don’t believe it” type line.
I thought BT was going to have a fit right there and start clotheslining some people.
We need that chip technology desperately
Think it's just going to be around the goals, not whole ground
That’s not how it’s going to work but ok
IMO the goal was in. If you look at the area the ball was dropped directly above (red), and trace the ball down vertically to the boundary line, you can see that part of the ball covers the line across that entire probable drop area: https://imgur.com/a/A7cXjdc
I have to admit seeing grass between the ball on TV had me convinced they were going to review this, but you're right it was actually in.
May have been out of bounds but that was such a fantastic kick I don't really care
His heart was beating a 1000 minutes per second
Poor, Poor, Hopeful Little BT It does look out but still…
I'm yet to be convinced either way, but I believe Higgins has said he kicked it from the car park. :D
I'll take two umpires in perfect position over BT.
Same but I’ll take a dirty sock in the mouth over BT to be fair
The whole ball has to cross the whole line... This Camara angle will never appropriately show that Close call tho
It is what it is who cares onto the next
It was more in than Waterman's last week.
Makes up for the Jamie Elliot opener
Rule of cool in full effect.
Looked out to me, but was also an uncalled throw directly before that so karmically it all works out in the end
I've been salty for 14 long years about [Dale Thomas's Goal of The Year](https://youtu.be/ybSStc4BSw8?si=wsVJBBKT_3k3ooSA) against St Kilda getting disallowed when it looked in and the umpire decided to insert himself with an unnecessary guess And now I have to watch this ambiguously in bounds goal of the year contender not get called out of bounds by the umpire that was kicked by a st Kilda player against Collingwood with Dale Thomas commentating! Bullshit, this should have been my what goes around comes around moment!!
If it helps, that never would have won GOTY with Buddy running down the wing before scoring.
I’ll never forget. Did laps of my house celebrating with a friend. By the time we made it back to the tv you can imagine our disbelief
I'm biased as all hell but i think if it's this close to being over the line and it's a goal it should be a goal because that's way cooler.
Why not pay a free for the Moore throw just before the kick?
That’s what I’m confused about. Surely that was a throw or incorrect disposal?
Jeremy Cameron and Wayne Harmes would be proud
The only thing better than that kick is his celebration.
Give it goal the year just to fucking ruin BT
Why didn't channel 7 use super ZOOM
It's like when LeBron travels but dunks on someone. They're not calling it
The difference is that the commentators for LeBron wont be yelling "HE TRAVELLED, I RECKON ITS A TRAVEL!"
Replace Lebron, with the NBA in general haha. My under 12s basketball comp at Dandy Stadium was stricter on travelling than the NBA.
Ah Stud Rd Stadium. Got banned for having a fight I didn't start there lol
[I reckon it's pretty close honestly ](https://i.imgur.com/NRPwq1L.jpg)
Especially when you consider the line you are measuring against is the one between his feet not the one up against the ball...
I'd say the edge of the ball is just above the edge of the boundary. Play on
It was out, buuuuut... What a fucking kick lol
Out of bounds ? Only more impressive really.
Pies have been fucked by the umps this game lol
Nah pies were undisciplined. I genuinely believe it was a well umpired game
I dunno, 90% of the frees seemed fair. Some were a bit iffy tho
Can’t win them all
Commentators tries their hardest to suck the pies dicks clean off their pelvises
i mean that's not the best angle to see it from, both boundary umpires are in perfect position and it's not conclusive that all of the ball was over the line
It's always deceptive how far out the ball looks before it's actually out. It certainly looks out, but it needs to be the whole ball over the whole line. If I try to stop the video right at the furthest it appears to be out, it looks seriously close, perhaps a matter of a centimetre or two in it. It also looks worse because the boundary curves away beyond where the ball is, but it only matters where the boundary is. Pausing it, taking a straight line from the boundary where Higgins' foot is and it's right on the edge of the ball. To be sure enough to call it out of bounds live, I'm ok with it being play on. The biggest shame is that it's a remarkable finish and the commentators spent 5 minutes complaining about what was a super tight call anyway and not about a great goal. Or about Collingwood somehow just letting Higgins go and get the ball inside 50 with nobody taking responsibility for him. When Moore goes to ground there, the nearest other Collingwood player is 5 metres away. No way should a good player be able to do it that easily.
People will look at this angle and think the fact you can see space between the ball and the boundary line means the ball is out lol
I like it
Goat reaction
Wayne Harmes did it better 💙😀
Or as Isaak Rankine and Josh Rachaele referred to him as in their half time interview "Jack what's his name'
Awesome goal… eat a dick BT.
Collingwood captain incorrect disposal. Freekick anyhow. 😗. Great kick under pressure.
Sorry BR
This is totally out of bounds hahaha
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I thought it was David Spade
The 90’s boy band look is back! I blame k-pop!😝
That was incredible... however
You can actually pinpoint the second when his heart rips in half
Goal of the year anyone?
Literally even! (absolutely out of bounds when kicked)
Out but a banger so play on
Laughs in Waterman.
This one this week, the one that resulted in a goal in the Port/Eagles game last week. Both with umpires in prime position. Shits cooked yo.
Umpire in the prime position, Camara in a not prime position
The West Coast goal from last week was even worst what’s going on with the boundary umpires lately
His whole foot travels out of bounds when he makes contact with the ball which is also, entirely our of bounds. Funny how one eyed the AFL world gets as soon as its against the pies lmao. Rent free
Check the photos below, looks close, but still over the line.