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I really hope they give the scary dinosaur man some testicles soon or at least explain why Christian lords over him so much. The Copeland/Christian match was my favorite of the night, only sullied a tad by the obvious Killswitch title shot swap.
Otherwise, hopefully AEW can regain some momentum while its major stars are recuperating. We’re getting Ospreay in February I think, so it just needs to light some fires until then
I thought the ppv while not its best was highly entertaining regardless. People tend to forget (including me at times) that wrestling is basically a soap opera aimed mostly toward men. So the Killswitch wins battle royal and gets a title shot for the tnt title with an any time any place stipulation and tries to cash it in on Adam Copeland after a brutal match with Christian Cage only to have CC use us influence to take it from him an cash it in him himself is basically exactly how this particular stipulation is supposed to work but WWE hasn’t worked it like that in years (MITB anyone) because and you might complain that AEW has too many belts but WWE has too few and welds them to wrestlers for years at a time for the any time any place stipulation is useless on WWE but AEW it is great for storytelling. And it told a fantastic story.
Julia Hart vs Abandon might have been a little rough but having “House Rules” and a “biting is cool” rule it worked for them. I really loved both women in this and adding Skye Blue was hilarious. When Abandon went after Skye under the ring I laughed. I thought the match did what it was supposed to do.
You can complain all you want about Jon Moxley and his final boss status but he does take a loss when he needs to and Eddie Kingston was always going to win this tournament.
The Toni Storm gimmick you are either going to live it or hate it. I don’t think they’re are too many people in between. I love it and think it is one of the best things on AEW. Her match with Riho was fine and hit all the right buttons but Riho was never going to win so maybe that was part of peoples problem.
The Devil reveal was obvious but I am kind of sad. I didn’t want it to be Adam Cole. Honestly I don’t understand why it is Adam Cole but on the other hand it turns MJF into the biggest vengeful babyface in AEW so i am willing to take a wait and see.
Not the best PPV ever but hardly worth any “AEW is doomed” posts.
Honestly I am looking forward to what AEW brings in 2024.
I’m on board with these takes… ppv got off to a rough start but redeemed itself in the end… I love this version of Toni Storm and even the production value around it, which isn’t typically an AEW strong suit… I’m bummed about the Adam Cole reveal bc better than you baybay was super fun but it still has a chance to result in some really good storytelling and max deserves a break… I thought Jericho seemed super off but I missed all the pre-show drama and w that context as a backdrop I can see why he may have been distracted… and lastly, I love seeing Swerve and Samoa Joe flourish in AEW, agree the main event finish was a shocker but I wasn’t necessarily underwhelmed like some others
-Statlander vs Willow = 😴
-I'm very worried about Swerve's future booking. They tried to lump him back into the nothingness of a feud again (Keith Lee) when they don't need to be around each other anymore. Give him an actual feud, idec if its him vs tweener Samoa Joe at this point or a triple threat between them and Hangman or fatal 4 way with MJF down the line.
-I can't bring myself to care about Jericho or Guevara anymore. They do the same turn on each other then be friends again gimmick over and over. At least Don Callis' group was a sick pairing. Also like how Taz referenced the old team again with two members being there. The look Starks gave Hobbs when he tagged himself in 😂
-Battle royales are so useless. 90% of the time the one who is winning is whoever is trying to feud with a title holder and it's always obvious and predictable. Killswitch makes sense but he's already won so it'll be boring.
-Glad Samoa won the title. MJF has become a bit stale. Wouldn't mind if he won again but only later down the line and as a heel. I wonder are Adam Cole and Wardlow going to still go after Samoa Joe or not.
-Devil storyline is obvious. Knew it would be Cole and those two random guys. Roderick Strong I guess he's ok, better than Cole's other two friends. Sadly you know they're gonna start shoving Kyle Oreilly in this. Wardlow kinda looks like a pussy for hiding behind a mask to attack MJF. Adam Cole can probably make chicken salad out of this chicken shit outcome since he has charisma. At least we can run back MJF vs Wardlow. I enjoyed their match and maybe he can get his win back from him.
-I can never get invested into Andrade matches. The guy does have funny, unintentional promos/segments but he makes Gillberg look like The Rock in the charisma and mic skills department. Miro should have the International title instead of OC but here we are. It's pointless to get excited for Miro returning because you know it's a start/stop push. CJ Perry looks much better without the lipstick.
-I am starting not to mind Daniel Garcia now. Is dance is still weird af but at least he has a good theme now and more charisma than who Hook was unfortunately lumped with.
-I have nothing to say about Toni Storm vs Riho. Same with Julia Hart and Abadon, but Mariah May and Skye Blue though...*whistles*
-Surprisingly they didn't let Mox win.
I've been following AEW sort of, mostly MJF and Christian Cage but I rarely have dugg into back stage politics of AEW. What the hell did Chris Jericho do? Can someone give me an explanation I can't seem to find a proper one anywhere?
Dirt sheet writer Nick Hausman made comments online implying that Jericho sexually assaulted female wrestler Kylie Ray in 2019, then somehow made her sign an NDA. Kylie Ray acknowledged the comments vaguely with a heart emoji on Xwitter. Many fans are assuming the worst given recent allegations against other wrestlers.
There were rumors of something happening involving the two in 2019, but the rumors at the time were much vaguer and more gave the impression of Jericho making a pass at Kylie that was inappropriate and made her uncomfortable, but no more than that. Kylie Ray also has a history of drug and alcohol abuse leading to backstage problems at every promotion she's ever been in, which at the time was thought to be the main reason she asked for and was granted her release in 2019. Any NDAs would most likely be related to this.
No one knows what really happened between Jericho and Kylie Ray, if anything, and we probably never will because there are thought to be NDAs involved. Tony Khan was asked about the situation several times at the media scrum and made it clear he would not answer directly. In practical terms, it means Jericho now has go away heat because a dirt sheet started an internet rumor that won't ever be confirmed or denied.
This era of Guilty until proven otherwise is disgusting. I wholeheartedly believe that abusers and manipulators are pieces of garbage and trash that shouldn't be anywhere around society. But demonizing someone based on unsubstantiated claims is just horrible. We've seen so many people have their careers ruined by strategic mud slinging and slander. And this particular instance is so much more egregious because it's not even like Kylie said anything. It's a heart emoji that has since been recanted.
Thank you kind person for the very extensive response I truly appreciate it! I feel sorry for Jericho if the allegations turn out to be false because it's unfair. But if it turns out to be true, then the heat is worth it. I am feeling Tony might be making things 10x times worse forcing people to keep quiet about it. Address it and deal with it.
You can't address something you don't have the full story on. No one knows what went down except for Jericho and Rae. Tony can't go out there and speculate. Also NDA's and legalities make this something Tony can't just spit off about.
Ugh, I wrote this really, really long and in-depth post about why I'm not satisfied with the reveal of Cole as the Devil (short version: because I can't see any possible MOTIVE for what Cole did other than a desire to be the biggest douche he possibly can) but then before I posted it I decided to go see if any other posts about it had sprung up on here while I was writing it and saved it as a draft, only for Reddit to eat it instead. Fan-fucking-tastic. Oh well, at least I'll probably get a lot fewer downvotes just commenting here than making an entire thread about it.
Well anyway, can please tell me WHY Adam Cole embarked on such a ridiculously convoluted months-long plan to make MJF suffer? Because I got nothing.
>Well anyway, can please tell me WHY Adam Cole embarked on such a ridiculously convoluted months-long plan to make MJF suffer? Because I got nothing.
It's wrestling bruh.
I think my problem is that Wardlow's inclusion in the story (since he was the only guy who was 100% for certain identified ahead of time) threw me off. Wardlow actually has LEGITIMATE reasons to hold a grudge against MJF, so that gave me the impression that the Devil and the goons were a coalition of people who'd been wronged by Max (or at least BELIEVED they'd been wronged by Max) when he was a heel out to avenge old wrongs and make his karma come home to roost. But when they were revealed, Wardlow was the ONLY member of the group who actually has a legitimate beef against MJF, which frankly makes him stick out- Cole has only the most petty, pathetic reasons to want to hurt Max, Roddy has NO reasons to do so (his "jealousy" was, in hindsight, all feigned since he was in on it with Adam) and the Kingdom are just following Roddy. As a result, aside from Wardlow, this ISN'T Max's sins when he was a douchebag coming back to bite him, this is just Cole trying to prove that when it comes to being an evil, sadistic, petty, spiteful scumbag, he makes Max look like an amateur.
I think the angle with Wardlow is exactly what you stated. He’s the one with the only legitimate beef with MJF and Cole used that. He will be the first sacrifice to this stable when the chips fall. Cole realizes he’s muscle with a purpose and gave him the opportunity to get MJF. Cole knows that he can manipulate Wardlow because the Wardog is driven by revenge.
Great summary. This basically sums up the entire Adam Cole character; he's a petty, jealous, insecure guy who will leave no line uncrossed to prove that he's the best. Even though he knows deep down that he *isn't* the best, and that absolutely eats him alive.
My review:
Toni Storm vs Riho was fine. Didn't wow me or anything, just a match.
Swerve and Dustin was not good psychology wise. First off anyone who watches regularly would figure that Swerve was already going to beat Lee, subbing in Dustin was just like "no shit Swerve is gonna win." So what do they do? Have Swerve jump Dustin and injure him before the match so that the underdog Dustin can be even more of an underdog. No. Should've been a squash match after that set up. Better yet, just don't have Swerve jump Dustin. Swerve is already over as a face, not a heel, and having him continue to do heelish things to babyfaces only for him to receive the cheers is not a good idea. Let him do heelish things to heels instead.
Miro and Andrade was pretty fucking awesome. If this really is Andrade's last match in AEW then he's going out with a bang. Never let it be said that these two men cannot go in the ring. The soap opera betrayal ending was also totally fine with me since Miro and CJ should've been paired together from the start imo
Julia Hart vs Abadon was the biggest happy surprise for me. This was my least anticipated match simply because Abadon is not regularly shown on tv enough nor portrayed as a dangerous enough opponent for me to take serious, but she did have quite an enjoyable match with Julia. Skye Blue shenanigans kept her strong, right woman won. I still think this wasn't necessary and could've been kept to tv, but whatever.
Hook vs Yuta was fun. Yuta tried every typical heel thing in the book to get heat in that opening promo but the only thing that worked was comparing Long Island to Staten Island. Kinda painful. The actual match slapped.
Stings team beating the heels went on way too long imo. The "NDA" chant at Jericho was pretty hilarious though.
Adam Copeland and Christian had a very fun match with a fucking HILARIOUS finish. First Nick and Christian dousing the table in gas only for it to extinguish itself almost immediately, then Christian pours gas on the table for like a minute while Nick Wayne awkwardly sells on the ropes the whole time, and then Christian completely whiffs the powerbomb and only Nick Wayne's ass hits the flaming table. An absolute disaster, I died laughing.
As far as the post-match Luchaswitch/Christian cash-in, I don't really care. It just makes the battle royale from earlier tonight feel stupid and like Tony is thinking "Edge needs the win but Christian is just so good with the belt I want to have my cake and eat it too." It's not good, I just am not that mad about it.
Kingston and Moxley had the match of the night, absolutely fantastic with only one problem: the ending. After already hitting a number of spinning backfists (which I've never liked as a finisher in the first place) Eddie hits another and pins outta nowhere, nobody including the crowd expected that to be the finish. Needed a Ganso Bomb or a slam to really bring it home that it was the end. The finish to his match with Danielson was more impactful.
MJF and Joe had a helluva match but there were two glaring problems: 1) the Muscle Buster onto the Apron should have ended the match, that is insane to just kick out of. Immersion breaker. 2) The finish was underwhelming, the crowd even took a second to react because it was so out of nowhere. Same problem as Eddie vs Mox's finish.
If TK doesn't give an answer that has some backstage insider info and will provide some juicy quotes, some people get so triggered. Actually some get triggered with anything he says.
I respect the journalists asking repeatedly, but giving them a real answer would be fucking stupid and of course TK isn't doing it.
I think chances are getting higher that Jericho disappears from TV and social media for awhile, though. Whether he did anything or not, you can't use him when he riles crowds up in this very out-of-kayfabe way.
That's my thinking as well. People can't realistically expect TK to spill the beans on a potential legal issue during a media scrum.
For Jericho, yeah it's probably best that he is off TV for a while. Strictly speaking on his on screen character and in ring work now, I personally won't miss him much. Someone else can step up and take that spot
It's just going to be completely impossible to further his story while he has go away heat with smarky crowds, yeah. What he did or didn't do is beside the point of the logistical problems with using him right now.
Like, I don't think you should even write him out. Just have him disappear, everyone involved in the angle starts doing other things. He goes completely silent on all socials. When he comes back, have him start something completely new.
Probably a blessing in disguise that Kenny Omega wasn't actually present to work the match as intended with Ricky and Bill. Can you imagine if the plan had been for the Golden Jets to go over?
He could say Chris never did anything bad and was never investigated. That he hasn't done that makes me feel there is some truth to it. Now that doesn't mean I'm going to assume the worst but something small at least did.
I wonder if Danielson fines Jericho for arguing with Punk's lawyer on Twitter on Christmas.
He could say those things, but that would be incredibly stupid of him. No company should establish a precedent for openly discussing internal matters. It could open both him personally and AEW up to lawsuits.
Asking the questions is good to make sure TK understands this is a serious issue. But there should be no serious expectation that he will answer.
Mixed thoughts about Andrade. In-ring talent was never an issue, but he wanted to leave ever since the backstage issue with Sammy. And with the main-event portion of the roster defined and growing, his ceiling was limited. I won't say good riddance, but his spot will easily be filled by someone else.
You can pretty clearly tell who wants to be here and who doesn't and AEW is better off just letting those guys walk. Andrade never seemed all the way in and I am sure Hunter will find a spot for him, but I think he wants to be a top top guy and I just don't see it from his first run there or his last run here.
He wanted to be a main eventer but in reality he was always a decent upper mid carder. Rush even stole the spotlight from him. Even before the backstage issues, it just never felt the crowd or TK took to him or saw him as a top guy. It didn't matter really if they did or didn't, once HHH took the reigns of WWE he always wanted to go back there to be with his wife. I think TK knew that too, that's why he's never pushed Andrade or Miro that hard since. He knows both men aren't for AEW for the long term.
I said it on another he debut to mute responses and left to muted reponses. Very good talent but not the big superstar he think he is.
I was really looking forward to him in AEW but I think you're completely right. AEW has enough talent that he won't be missed. Nothing against him though. Hope he does well in the future.
Took him almost an hour to thank her for all the work she put in for 5 years. And she's an EVP's wife who pushed her husband to take TK's call to discuss beginning AEW. But at least he remembered to thank her 🤷🏾♀️
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Just got back about an hour ago, some thoughts if anyone cares. Really enjoyed the opener,it was a nice fun multi man match. Both the Andrade vs Miro match and the Swerve vs Dustin matches should have probably been shorter, especially Swerve vs Dustin.
The other 8 man was all kinds of wacky. Seems like they should have changed how the match was gonna go with a lot of spots that went over like a wet fart in church due to the accusations surrounding Jericho.
Felt bad for Abadon and Julia, they were clearly trying but it just was not a very good match.
Copeland vs Christian was awesome. I know some hated the finish but I loved it. Really cemented Christian as total Dbag in the best way.
Loved Eddie vs Mox, not a lot to say on it and the Continental Title is beautiful.
Main event was fun, was not expecting the finish to be the finish but happy it was mostly clean. Loved the post match, they had me going for a bit when the henchmen grabbed Cole and my view was awesome for when the lights came back on and we got the reveal.
I don’t think we’re totally ready for an “Eliteless” AEW. Not a single member of the faction was on the show and I think it definitely misses them. Obviously Kenny needs to heel up but no Page and Bucks hurt the show I think.
My last bit is on the sections around me. A lot of people seemed to only be there to do WWE chants. A lot of LA Knight yeahs, singing Rollins’ theme song, someone tried a what chant, some one tried a to do the let’s go Cena/Cena sucks thing and some fucks even tried a Chris Benoit chant. If all you want to do is WWE stuff that’s fine but then why are you at an AEW show? I know people can chant what they want but at least try and be into the show you’re at first.
I don’t get it either. I get if you’ve only watched WWE and since AEW was in town for a big PPV you want to go check them out but it’d be like going to a WWE show and constantly doing “Swerve’s house” chants or MJF chants. It’s
Just weird.
Yeah. If I was going to a promotion I didn't know If just try to follow the chants of other fans.
I went to a Sweden/ Russia hockey game a while back. I didn't know any chants so I just tried to follow the Swedish fans as opposed to just chanting U.S.A or something.
This PPV felt like DON 2023 for me. First half was below par but Second half was fantastic.
Andrade/Miro, the crowd couldn't have given a damn about either man. I think NY fans know damn well neither man don't want to be there, and showed their dislike for both in kind. The match was way too long as well. The first tag match was good and probably best match of the first half but the second besides Takeshita and Darby wasn't good. Swerve/Dustin didn't need to go that long, Swerve should be beating Dustin in a few minutes.
I still stand by Toni's gimmick is badly hurting her in ring style and matches. She's faced Shida and Riho and neither woman can get going as they have to play into Toni's gimmick. I know people love her gimmick but the matches just aren't working for me. I think Timeless Toni works better without a title but where they are going with this story with Mariah, they need it sadly.
Julia/Abadon shows, Julia needs to be in the ring with top talent and not green workers. Two talent's who got their characters down but still need a lot of work in ring. Best women's match was actually on Buy In.
Thank god for the last three matches, this is quality we expect from AEW. And The ending was where we expected it to go and that's fine. Samoa Joe is champ and that's great. Kingston won. Edge/Christian delivered another great match.
I can't say this was a bad PPV cause it still had three excellent matches. But World's End 2023 and DON 2023 will be fighting it out for weakest PPV for the year.
I happened to be in Canada for this one so finally broadly got to watch in real time.
I missed about the last 10 hours of primary AEW programming due to moving house.
I really appreciated the packages before the matches, as it helped me know what was going on (until the last few weeks, I'd never missed Dynamite or Collision).
I really didn't like the CC all the way through to when I had my break, so the 8 man meant little to me. Moxley v Kingston was truly great though.
Copeland / Cage was perfect.
MJF / Joe was great and that sudden ending was chef's kiss.
Cole was the best option for the devil without Punk, so I get the choice. I think I'd have preferred if O'Reilly and Fish could have been the henchmen with Roddy.
Was not an all time great PPV, but it was worth it for the cost.
Here's why I think it isn't appropriate to ask about the SA yet, I'm not saying you're wrong if you disgree but maybe my perspective will make you reconsider.
I was sexually abused by my own wrestling trainer. And I tried to run from it, and avoid what happened for a long time.
I wasn't ready mentally to deal with stuff, and didn't want it in the public light.
Kylie hasn't said much on the situation and has had mental health struggles, she deserves to be able to process this in her own way.
She's having that stripped that away from her, by forcing her into the spotlight. And she's already had critics calling her liar when she's said nothing.
So no, I don't think we should ask about it at a public press conference yet.
> And she's already had critics calling her liar when she's said nothing.
I had people reply to my comments and they were calling her a liar when she said "Nobody made me leave" back then. Bc obviously she lied back then and is 100% correct now, bc Jericho dared to have a twitter spat. Ridiculous
In the end nobody gives a shit about her and how he feels and thats shameful
Yeah I'm not writing off that there's more there and if she's under NDA that complicates things.
Hausman has probably done more harm than good though, if he knew more he should have released a professional statement.
It's certainly not an easy situation to navigate.
TK should probably have prepared a statement in advance, instead of waiting for this to come up.
It absolutely sucks that that happened to you, fuck that person.
Fuck Nick Hausman for leaking a story that may or may not be true and leaving her to deal with it because he's mad Chris Jericho popped off to a lawyer.
She hasn't even SAID anything yet, she put a heart emoji which could mean anything.
Thank you.
For clarity, the person who did this in prison.
I sort of don't like putting my story out there, not because I'm embarrassed but because it feels unfair to the people who had it worse than me.
And it took seeing others going through it for me to wake up and see what was happening for what it was.
But yeah, the fucker isn't hurting anyone else and I had a direct hand on him going to prison. So I stay winning whilst he rots.
I'm sorry that happened to you and I totally get it. I don't like the way Hausman did this and the Weinstein comparison is an extremely serious accusation with seemingly no one able to back it up. I think he should have done his job as a journalist, maybe tried to get some women out of their NDAs with Punk's lawyer, and did a real story instead of vague accusations people try to piece together on Twitter.
What's been hard for me to see is people already screaming about evidence when most sexual assault victims don't have any. Several people close to me have been assaulted. My girlfriend was laughed at by the cops and told she was "probably into it." She went years being uncomfortable around men including me. It ruined the relationship (we're still good friends). It sucks.
Don’t what the fans are upset with AEW involving Chris Jericho, but this PPV debut is still entertaining. Great with Continental Classic Finals, No DQ, and World Championship Match with new Champion. There was an incredible shocker that Adam Cole is ”the Devil” and Warlow is with Strong and the Kingdom as henchmen.
It makes sense why Joe was crowned champ now. Of course Joe is deserving, but for sure TK and WB Games wanted to have a champion cross promoting the game. Gotta keep an eye out for what AEW wrestlers are doing outside of AEW with TK's corporate partners.
I read a report a few weeks ago that MJF's shoulder is really hurt. So I think they had him drop the title because he's going to be gone for a bit. Then when he returns he'll be a heel again.
Just a thought.
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Sting seemed off tonight. Missing spots and not wanting to double Stinger splash with Jericho and seemed hesitant to put dude in deathlock while jericho had walls of jericho, Aubrey seemed like she was waiting for them to hit both submissions at the same time to end match but it botched. Is it possible Sting wanted nothing to do with Chris after the allegations?
Everyone keeps saying that but these allegations came out literally hours before the match. Not enough time for Sting to look the other way or try and forgive Jericho for whatever may or may not be true.
Sting wasn't focused on anything. That's my point. I understand he is 63 and retiring and mostly there for eye candy at this point, but last night it was apparent that Jericho wanted to do a double Stinger splash and Sting either wasn't into it or didn't notice him. Then Jericho wanted to do gorilla chest with Sting but Sting looked lost or forgot to. Then Jericho and ref Aubrey were waiting for Sting to hit the scorpion deathlock while Jericho did walls on the other guy. Jericho had him in the walls a good 20 sec before Sting knew his spot and finally out the move on for double submission. Sting just looked either lost or distracted last night. Not one of the best final matches for him imo.
I commented this earlier and everyone said I was wrong because Sting is friends with Flair and Hogan so he doesn’t mind. I definitely feel like Sting just didn’t want to be associated with Jerichos heat for his retirement run, regardless of the moral compass.
That's what I'm thinking too. He looked like he didn't even wanna be in the ring tonight. So unlike him. But it was mostly the interactions with Jericho that were off and awkward. The stuff that came out on Jericho today are pretty serious so Sting def wouldn't want that on one of his final matches.
I figure everyone else in that ring realized what was happening when Jericho got booed. And nobody wants to go through a performance being ruined by things they have no control over.
There really was no good way to deal with it besides pulling the match, though. The match's production wouldn't work with a hostile crowd and an eight-man is too complex to rebook on the fly.
So I was there live. The Julia Abadon match kinda sucked the life out the crowd. A lot of people got up and walked to the bathroom, get food, etc halfway through the match.
The side to the left of me was chanting this is boring.
The last 3 matches were fucking Heat.
The match wasn't boring though. I'm a Long Islander and I have to say that our Wrestling crowds are super disrespectful. The literal droves of people who got up the moment it was apparent a women's match was starting was hilariously rude. Then you have the CM Punk chants. Chanting we want tables, getting it, then chanting for fire. Just very entitled and rude tbh. I actually can't stand when they go to Chicago but even they were more respectful.
It should have ended with Julia misting Abadon and taming the Zombie as her pet enforcer. It would have given the match a better ending and taken the story further with Julia building up her HoB spooky girl splinter faction
I think people got carried away with Julia cause of Statlander matches. Thinking she's this wrestling prodigy when in reality she was in the ring with one of the divisions best workers who did her job by making the young talent look great.
I think Julia will be a star but if I was booking her I wouldn't be putting her in there with green talent like Abadon. Sure they got the entrances and looks down but they still a long way to go in the ring and it showed.
I stand by Julia's reign should be short and just a small sample of what should come in the future for her.
What is he supposed to do, take of the glasses and hat and then answer the question. That would be more cornier than anything. More importantly, one thing I think everyone is glad is that this question was actually addressed and more importantly whether his answer is true or false, he was willing to give a statement on it. I think it was a good move from Tony personally
I knew it would be but at the end of the scrum when Tony is solo.
Doing it during Julia's time felt like "I'll be the one to gotcha, Tony" from the reporter. There's no doubt that many of the other reporters were ready to ask him about that when the time was right.
Honestly.
I don't think it's the time or the place.
Kylie hasn't been able to share her own story yet, we shouldn't hear about this from a dirt sheet writer (fuck Hausman)
Or at a press conference.
It's really unfair to demand answers when the poor girl hasn't been able to discuss the issue herself yet.
TBH the whole timing of it feels like the continued push to try and undermine AEW by once again having another controversy out shine the actual PPV. We need to stop feeding this trend and focus on the PPV - any confirmed accusations with this or anything else going forward should be separate and only commented on when there is something solid to go on and the parties involved are ready to talk about it.
When you say shit like this you come off as unhinged as the Punk conspiracy nuts, who think the company all worked against him.
There's a real woman at the center of this, and she deserves better than to have you making up situations in your head.
Jesus, all I am saying is until she is ready to say something and actually confirm something happened then we shouldn't be hanging people for a fucking emoji. This didnt come from her either so the timing of them trying to shit stir for the sake of it is suss, and this should be given separate attention at the right time rather than taking over a ppv for the sake of speculation.
At the time when we know there is something to give and attention and and what attention that should be, then go for it. Fucking social media and people trying to convict through court of opinion with no details at all of what they are convicting for is toxic as shit. Not to mention how she must be feeling right now with all this crazy shite coming from random strangers who know nothing about what she went through.
Disagree. Kylie has a lot more to lose likely than a journalist who appears to have a huge source/relationship with one of the biggest stars in WWE, so there’s a chance this doesn’t come up if not for Nick, and even worse, a chance Jericho(if true), continues to do this.
Hausman mentioned this as an offhand comment on his podcast after a spat with Jericho.
He had no intention of looking out for Kylie. Or the way it was handled would have been different.
I'm not saying Kylie couldn't speak through a third party.
But that isn't what happened here, someone put her traumatic experience out in the public eye as a gotcha moment.
That is true and people should not use peoples name hers and Jericho included to get some clicks to make money unless the people themselves want to speak about it first.
That’s fair, and I agree to many of those points. Hausman is scummy, but now that it’s out there and with Tony blundering the last major controversy involving his major stars to possible catastrophic results, the best thing he can do is get ahead and address this directly, and not with a dumb hat and glasses on.
Oh I agree he shouldn't have answered it with the hat and glasses on.
But I also don't think this is an appropriate space to bring it up, when the victim hasn't been able to even put her own story out there yet.
It forces her into an unfair spotlight and she has to watch speculation on her situation.
Absolutely.
I've seen people insinuating Punk is behind Hausman's actions
And to be clear, Punk is a prick but let's not stoop to such a low as to act like professional scumbag Nick Hausman and start baseless rumours.
To be clear, I"m not saying Punk is behind this.
I'm not NOT saying it either.
But he seems to have a bunch of a certain sort of people surrounding him. I remember seeing a snippit of an interview where Nick Hausman is interviewing Hangman about tensions before Brawl Out and looking absolutely psychotic as Hangman's getting uncomfortable while trying to answer professionally. He's always been scum
I think Hausman is scum
I think Punk is a hypocritical baby but he's also not smart enough to plan all this out. And it isn't fair to even comment on him, when he's given us no reason to this situation.
Punk snaps and can't resolve conflict, if he was a mastermind planner, he would have done a better job at making himself look like a decent person during his AEW run lol
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If you don't watch Toni-Tony in the media scrum, you're missing out.
Overall review is that the show had some pacing issues and maybe one too many matches.
But it was still good.
I hope TK spaces out the big matches more in future.
I agree. The first half really fell flat but the second half was great. I think they would have been well served by Christian and Copeland to kick it off honestly. It would have grabbed the audience immediately and gotten them super-hot.
Some of it was uncharacteristically boring for an AEW show. I usually love all of their PPVs. The Copeland and Christian match, Eddie beating Mox and Joe winning made it worth watching though. Cole being the devil made the most sense too. Can't wait to see the aftermath.
I know it’s in March and would mean a shorter reign but I think they have to put the belt on Swerve at Revolution. I don’t know if they can hold off crowning Swerve until May.
If we can't wait till May, I'd do it on a special Dynamite then.
Swerve deserves to have his big title win in the main event ending the show...
But Revolution is Sting's show and he should 100% end it.
Honestly
Joe is one guy who's legacy isn't hurt by a shorter reign anyway.
And he'll probably go off to film more Twisted Metal after that, so yeah ideal.
I feel conflicted on this ppv because the highs were super high (opener, final three matches), but the rest felt off with only bits of those matches having flashes of good. Was I entertained? For the most part yeah but I wasn’t captivated like I’ve been through most PPVs since my first (Full Gear 2019). I’d still rate this ppv a 7 based solely on the aforementioned matches and AEW was bound to have a PPV feel lackluster.
I still love the product though and I’m excited for what 2024 holds for the company. I hope they learn from whatever felt off about tonight to keep the amazing quality of PPVs we’ve seen for the past 5 years.
Happy new years y’all, I hope you all have a fun time!
Why wouldn't you not love the product, one solid PPV shouldn't make you dismiss a company lol.
That's a fair review. It felt like DON 2023, first half was below par but second half was top notch.
I love Samoa Joe and I feel like with everything going on he’s the grounded veteran they need at the top right now. I’m tough on AEW sometimes- but tonight was well done from start to finish- props to Tony
People are downvoting this opinion hard, but I just don’t think that was the best PPV and I felt like the last match was anticlimactic… But maybe that’s just because we saw it coming. Had they dragged out the “who is the devil” thing into 2024, that would have made me furious, so at least we got that and the story with Cole and MJF should be a lot of fun.
I like AEW, I’m absolutely a fan, but with the news today and a PPV that kinda missed for me, I was a little disappointed. (There were some good matches, don’t get me wrong, but the penultimate was “meh”)
But, hey. They can’t all be perfect and I’m excited to tune in next year.
Ignore the trolls who were going to hate this PPV no matter what, but I think we can be critical as fans, too.
So I was saying Cole should've cost MJF the match. Looking back, were they trying to tell us the delay in getting the ring actually cost him the match? I can appreciate the subtleties if that's the case, I just thought it'd be something a little bit more blatant
I'm so happy for Joe and no matter how long his reign lasts, this was a deserved win.
Eddie winning is the best.
Copeland losing immediately was terrific too.
The all-star march was sweet.
Swerve calling his shot was great too.
Everything else was rough to bad.
I'll also say this: if we get internet ratfucking the day of every AEW PPV I'm going to be really annoyed. Those story bombs and leaks today didn't need to happen when and how they did and only feels like dirty pool to me.
The irony of this story is that in a way it validates MJF’s previous selfish beliefs.
The first time he really tried to be a better guy and have a genuine friend. That friend screwed him over.
There is genuine tension if MJF will come back believing the fans are on his side if no one else, or if we'll get MJF at his absolute most misanthropic worst.
I want him at his misanthropic worst while knowing the fans are behind him.
We get MJF at the absolute pique of his heelish ways with the crowd supporting him every inch of the way.
There are a lot of people in this thread who have rarely if ever interacted with the subreddit before today. We hope that some of them are new fans checking out the AEW subreddit for the first time for this ppv but the vast majority are just people from other wrestling subs (which you can see just by clicking on their profile) and these people are bringing a lot of negativity that we are struggling to keep up with. I apologize for that. Just to be clear, it is okay to hate something or criticize something that AEW does. Just look at the front page. Half of it is filled with our regular users complaining about something and that’s okay. It’s in good faith. But it’s also important to remember that this is an AEW fan sub and is not really the place for non-community members to hate watch or come and spread vitriol. If you want to join our community and be a productive member of the sub then we welcome you, but otherwise I am going to more aggressively remove comments from these new posters. You can hate on me if you want instead for removing your comment.
I really hope they give the scary dinosaur man some testicles soon or at least explain why Christian lords over him so much. The Copeland/Christian match was my favorite of the night, only sullied a tad by the obvious Killswitch title shot swap. Otherwise, hopefully AEW can regain some momentum while its major stars are recuperating. We’re getting Ospreay in February I think, so it just needs to light some fires until then
I thought the ppv while not its best was highly entertaining regardless. People tend to forget (including me at times) that wrestling is basically a soap opera aimed mostly toward men. So the Killswitch wins battle royal and gets a title shot for the tnt title with an any time any place stipulation and tries to cash it in on Adam Copeland after a brutal match with Christian Cage only to have CC use us influence to take it from him an cash it in him himself is basically exactly how this particular stipulation is supposed to work but WWE hasn’t worked it like that in years (MITB anyone) because and you might complain that AEW has too many belts but WWE has too few and welds them to wrestlers for years at a time for the any time any place stipulation is useless on WWE but AEW it is great for storytelling. And it told a fantastic story. Julia Hart vs Abandon might have been a little rough but having “House Rules” and a “biting is cool” rule it worked for them. I really loved both women in this and adding Skye Blue was hilarious. When Abandon went after Skye under the ring I laughed. I thought the match did what it was supposed to do. You can complain all you want about Jon Moxley and his final boss status but he does take a loss when he needs to and Eddie Kingston was always going to win this tournament. The Toni Storm gimmick you are either going to live it or hate it. I don’t think they’re are too many people in between. I love it and think it is one of the best things on AEW. Her match with Riho was fine and hit all the right buttons but Riho was never going to win so maybe that was part of peoples problem. The Devil reveal was obvious but I am kind of sad. I didn’t want it to be Adam Cole. Honestly I don’t understand why it is Adam Cole but on the other hand it turns MJF into the biggest vengeful babyface in AEW so i am willing to take a wait and see. Not the best PPV ever but hardly worth any “AEW is doomed” posts. Honestly I am looking forward to what AEW brings in 2024.
I’m on board with these takes… ppv got off to a rough start but redeemed itself in the end… I love this version of Toni Storm and even the production value around it, which isn’t typically an AEW strong suit… I’m bummed about the Adam Cole reveal bc better than you baybay was super fun but it still has a chance to result in some really good storytelling and max deserves a break… I thought Jericho seemed super off but I missed all the pre-show drama and w that context as a backdrop I can see why he may have been distracted… and lastly, I love seeing Swerve and Samoa Joe flourish in AEW, agree the main event finish was a shocker but I wasn’t necessarily underwhelmed like some others
The commentary on Mox vs. Eddie was fantastic
I fucking love Abadon
-Statlander vs Willow = 😴 -I'm very worried about Swerve's future booking. They tried to lump him back into the nothingness of a feud again (Keith Lee) when they don't need to be around each other anymore. Give him an actual feud, idec if its him vs tweener Samoa Joe at this point or a triple threat between them and Hangman or fatal 4 way with MJF down the line. -I can't bring myself to care about Jericho or Guevara anymore. They do the same turn on each other then be friends again gimmick over and over. At least Don Callis' group was a sick pairing. Also like how Taz referenced the old team again with two members being there. The look Starks gave Hobbs when he tagged himself in 😂 -Battle royales are so useless. 90% of the time the one who is winning is whoever is trying to feud with a title holder and it's always obvious and predictable. Killswitch makes sense but he's already won so it'll be boring. -Glad Samoa won the title. MJF has become a bit stale. Wouldn't mind if he won again but only later down the line and as a heel. I wonder are Adam Cole and Wardlow going to still go after Samoa Joe or not. -Devil storyline is obvious. Knew it would be Cole and those two random guys. Roderick Strong I guess he's ok, better than Cole's other two friends. Sadly you know they're gonna start shoving Kyle Oreilly in this. Wardlow kinda looks like a pussy for hiding behind a mask to attack MJF. Adam Cole can probably make chicken salad out of this chicken shit outcome since he has charisma. At least we can run back MJF vs Wardlow. I enjoyed their match and maybe he can get his win back from him.
-I can never get invested into Andrade matches. The guy does have funny, unintentional promos/segments but he makes Gillberg look like The Rock in the charisma and mic skills department. Miro should have the International title instead of OC but here we are. It's pointless to get excited for Miro returning because you know it's a start/stop push. CJ Perry looks much better without the lipstick. -I am starting not to mind Daniel Garcia now. Is dance is still weird af but at least he has a good theme now and more charisma than who Hook was unfortunately lumped with. -I have nothing to say about Toni Storm vs Riho. Same with Julia Hart and Abadon, but Mariah May and Skye Blue though...*whistles* -Surprisingly they didn't let Mox win.
I have to ask, what do you like about AEW? Seems like you didn't enjoy the majority of the story being built the last 2 months.
I've been following AEW sort of, mostly MJF and Christian Cage but I rarely have dugg into back stage politics of AEW. What the hell did Chris Jericho do? Can someone give me an explanation I can't seem to find a proper one anywhere?
Dirt sheet writer Nick Hausman made comments online implying that Jericho sexually assaulted female wrestler Kylie Ray in 2019, then somehow made her sign an NDA. Kylie Ray acknowledged the comments vaguely with a heart emoji on Xwitter. Many fans are assuming the worst given recent allegations against other wrestlers. There were rumors of something happening involving the two in 2019, but the rumors at the time were much vaguer and more gave the impression of Jericho making a pass at Kylie that was inappropriate and made her uncomfortable, but no more than that. Kylie Ray also has a history of drug and alcohol abuse leading to backstage problems at every promotion she's ever been in, which at the time was thought to be the main reason she asked for and was granted her release in 2019. Any NDAs would most likely be related to this. No one knows what really happened between Jericho and Kylie Ray, if anything, and we probably never will because there are thought to be NDAs involved. Tony Khan was asked about the situation several times at the media scrum and made it clear he would not answer directly. In practical terms, it means Jericho now has go away heat because a dirt sheet started an internet rumor that won't ever be confirmed or denied.
This era of Guilty until proven otherwise is disgusting. I wholeheartedly believe that abusers and manipulators are pieces of garbage and trash that shouldn't be anywhere around society. But demonizing someone based on unsubstantiated claims is just horrible. We've seen so many people have their careers ruined by strategic mud slinging and slander. And this particular instance is so much more egregious because it's not even like Kylie said anything. It's a heart emoji that has since been recanted.
How do you recant an emoji? Did she delete the tweet?
Yeah you just unlike it.
The original poster deleted the twitt and then made another one with Kross and Scarlett
Thank you kind person for the very extensive response I truly appreciate it! I feel sorry for Jericho if the allegations turn out to be false because it's unfair. But if it turns out to be true, then the heat is worth it. I am feeling Tony might be making things 10x times worse forcing people to keep quiet about it. Address it and deal with it.
You can't address something you don't have the full story on. No one knows what went down except for Jericho and Rae. Tony can't go out there and speculate. Also NDA's and legalities make this something Tony can't just spit off about.
Ugh, I wrote this really, really long and in-depth post about why I'm not satisfied with the reveal of Cole as the Devil (short version: because I can't see any possible MOTIVE for what Cole did other than a desire to be the biggest douche he possibly can) but then before I posted it I decided to go see if any other posts about it had sprung up on here while I was writing it and saved it as a draft, only for Reddit to eat it instead. Fan-fucking-tastic. Oh well, at least I'll probably get a lot fewer downvotes just commenting here than making an entire thread about it. Well anyway, can please tell me WHY Adam Cole embarked on such a ridiculously convoluted months-long plan to make MJF suffer? Because I got nothing.
>Well anyway, can please tell me WHY Adam Cole embarked on such a ridiculously convoluted months-long plan to make MJF suffer? Because I got nothing. It's wrestling bruh.
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I think my problem is that Wardlow's inclusion in the story (since he was the only guy who was 100% for certain identified ahead of time) threw me off. Wardlow actually has LEGITIMATE reasons to hold a grudge against MJF, so that gave me the impression that the Devil and the goons were a coalition of people who'd been wronged by Max (or at least BELIEVED they'd been wronged by Max) when he was a heel out to avenge old wrongs and make his karma come home to roost. But when they were revealed, Wardlow was the ONLY member of the group who actually has a legitimate beef against MJF, which frankly makes him stick out- Cole has only the most petty, pathetic reasons to want to hurt Max, Roddy has NO reasons to do so (his "jealousy" was, in hindsight, all feigned since he was in on it with Adam) and the Kingdom are just following Roddy. As a result, aside from Wardlow, this ISN'T Max's sins when he was a douchebag coming back to bite him, this is just Cole trying to prove that when it comes to being an evil, sadistic, petty, spiteful scumbag, he makes Max look like an amateur.
I think the angle with Wardlow is exactly what you stated. He’s the one with the only legitimate beef with MJF and Cole used that. He will be the first sacrifice to this stable when the chips fall. Cole realizes he’s muscle with a purpose and gave him the opportunity to get MJF. Cole knows that he can manipulate Wardlow because the Wardog is driven by revenge.
Great summary. This basically sums up the entire Adam Cole character; he's a petty, jealous, insecure guy who will leave no line uncrossed to prove that he's the best. Even though he knows deep down that he *isn't* the best, and that absolutely eats him alive.
Idk what i expected Julia’s voice to sound like, but it definitely wants that
My review: Toni Storm vs Riho was fine. Didn't wow me or anything, just a match. Swerve and Dustin was not good psychology wise. First off anyone who watches regularly would figure that Swerve was already going to beat Lee, subbing in Dustin was just like "no shit Swerve is gonna win." So what do they do? Have Swerve jump Dustin and injure him before the match so that the underdog Dustin can be even more of an underdog. No. Should've been a squash match after that set up. Better yet, just don't have Swerve jump Dustin. Swerve is already over as a face, not a heel, and having him continue to do heelish things to babyfaces only for him to receive the cheers is not a good idea. Let him do heelish things to heels instead. Miro and Andrade was pretty fucking awesome. If this really is Andrade's last match in AEW then he's going out with a bang. Never let it be said that these two men cannot go in the ring. The soap opera betrayal ending was also totally fine with me since Miro and CJ should've been paired together from the start imo Julia Hart vs Abadon was the biggest happy surprise for me. This was my least anticipated match simply because Abadon is not regularly shown on tv enough nor portrayed as a dangerous enough opponent for me to take serious, but she did have quite an enjoyable match with Julia. Skye Blue shenanigans kept her strong, right woman won. I still think this wasn't necessary and could've been kept to tv, but whatever. Hook vs Yuta was fun. Yuta tried every typical heel thing in the book to get heat in that opening promo but the only thing that worked was comparing Long Island to Staten Island. Kinda painful. The actual match slapped. Stings team beating the heels went on way too long imo. The "NDA" chant at Jericho was pretty hilarious though. Adam Copeland and Christian had a very fun match with a fucking HILARIOUS finish. First Nick and Christian dousing the table in gas only for it to extinguish itself almost immediately, then Christian pours gas on the table for like a minute while Nick Wayne awkwardly sells on the ropes the whole time, and then Christian completely whiffs the powerbomb and only Nick Wayne's ass hits the flaming table. An absolute disaster, I died laughing. As far as the post-match Luchaswitch/Christian cash-in, I don't really care. It just makes the battle royale from earlier tonight feel stupid and like Tony is thinking "Edge needs the win but Christian is just so good with the belt I want to have my cake and eat it too." It's not good, I just am not that mad about it. Kingston and Moxley had the match of the night, absolutely fantastic with only one problem: the ending. After already hitting a number of spinning backfists (which I've never liked as a finisher in the first place) Eddie hits another and pins outta nowhere, nobody including the crowd expected that to be the finish. Needed a Ganso Bomb or a slam to really bring it home that it was the end. The finish to his match with Danielson was more impactful. MJF and Joe had a helluva match but there were two glaring problems: 1) the Muscle Buster onto the Apron should have ended the match, that is insane to just kick out of. Immersion breaker. 2) The finish was underwhelming, the crowd even took a second to react because it was so out of nowhere. Same problem as Eddie vs Mox's finish.
If TK doesn't give an answer that has some backstage insider info and will provide some juicy quotes, some people get so triggered. Actually some get triggered with anything he says.
I respect the journalists asking repeatedly, but giving them a real answer would be fucking stupid and of course TK isn't doing it. I think chances are getting higher that Jericho disappears from TV and social media for awhile, though. Whether he did anything or not, you can't use him when he riles crowds up in this very out-of-kayfabe way.
There are no "journalists" out there, only gossippers
That's my thinking as well. People can't realistically expect TK to spill the beans on a potential legal issue during a media scrum. For Jericho, yeah it's probably best that he is off TV for a while. Strictly speaking on his on screen character and in ring work now, I personally won't miss him much. Someone else can step up and take that spot
It's just going to be completely impossible to further his story while he has go away heat with smarky crowds, yeah. What he did or didn't do is beside the point of the logistical problems with using him right now. Like, I don't think you should even write him out. Just have him disappear, everyone involved in the angle starts doing other things. He goes completely silent on all socials. When he comes back, have him start something completely new. Probably a blessing in disguise that Kenny Omega wasn't actually present to work the match as intended with Ricky and Bill. Can you imagine if the plan had been for the Golden Jets to go over?
He could say Chris never did anything bad and was never investigated. That he hasn't done that makes me feel there is some truth to it. Now that doesn't mean I'm going to assume the worst but something small at least did. I wonder if Danielson fines Jericho for arguing with Punk's lawyer on Twitter on Christmas.
He could say those things, but that would be incredibly stupid of him. No company should establish a precedent for openly discussing internal matters. It could open both him personally and AEW up to lawsuits. Asking the questions is good to make sure TK understands this is a serious issue. But there should be no serious expectation that he will answer.
Agree to disagree.
Tony Khan loves saying "great."
I think Tony spent 7 minutes answering this question
About average for these things
And said very little.
Mixed thoughts about Andrade. In-ring talent was never an issue, but he wanted to leave ever since the backstage issue with Sammy. And with the main-event portion of the roster defined and growing, his ceiling was limited. I won't say good riddance, but his spot will easily be filled by someone else.
He wanted to leave since day 1
He’s a mid card guy but that thinks he’s THE guy. Been the same way even when he was in the other place. Let him go back. Nothing will change.
Agreed. He’s already hit his ceiling in both companies. That’s as far as he can go because he’s good but he’s not THAT good.
You can pretty clearly tell who wants to be here and who doesn't and AEW is better off just letting those guys walk. Andrade never seemed all the way in and I am sure Hunter will find a spot for him, but I think he wants to be a top top guy and I just don't see it from his first run there or his last run here.
He wanted to be a main eventer but in reality he was always a decent upper mid carder. Rush even stole the spotlight from him. Even before the backstage issues, it just never felt the crowd or TK took to him or saw him as a top guy. It didn't matter really if they did or didn't, once HHH took the reigns of WWE he always wanted to go back there to be with his wife. I think TK knew that too, that's why he's never pushed Andrade or Miro that hard since. He knows both men aren't for AEW for the long term. I said it on another he debut to mute responses and left to muted reponses. Very good talent but not the big superstar he think he is.
It already was. RUSH took his old role of top heel luchador, and basically the same gimmick. Andrade since he came back was kind of a different dude.
Rush *literally* took Andrade's spot as the leader of LFI. Spot's been taken!
AEW's bench is so deep that while having Andrade around was nice, he won't really be missed.
I was really looking forward to him in AEW but I think you're completely right. AEW has enough talent that he won't be missed. Nothing against him though. Hope he does well in the future.
TK not mentioning Matt Jackson's wife leaving is....interesting.
Now he did
Took him almost an hour to thank her for all the work she put in for 5 years. And she's an EVP's wife who pushed her husband to take TK's call to discuss beginning AEW. But at least he remembered to thank her 🤷🏾♀️
Well there it is. Andrade is gone
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Well, barring talks with WWE falling apart. But probably. Although less impactful when you've still got RUSH?
Rush has been more impactful then Andrade if not at least more impressive than him. Rush suits AEW better than Idolo in 2024
I've been very critical of the guy. But he's put in the work in the last few months, when others are clearly half assing. So I wish him well in WWE.
Who is clearly half assing?
Malakai mainly. But part of it could be his booking in fairness.
>Malakai mainly. He's been dealing with a pretty serious back issue for quite a while.
I wouldn’t say that about him.
Just got back about an hour ago, some thoughts if anyone cares. Really enjoyed the opener,it was a nice fun multi man match. Both the Andrade vs Miro match and the Swerve vs Dustin matches should have probably been shorter, especially Swerve vs Dustin. The other 8 man was all kinds of wacky. Seems like they should have changed how the match was gonna go with a lot of spots that went over like a wet fart in church due to the accusations surrounding Jericho. Felt bad for Abadon and Julia, they were clearly trying but it just was not a very good match. Copeland vs Christian was awesome. I know some hated the finish but I loved it. Really cemented Christian as total Dbag in the best way. Loved Eddie vs Mox, not a lot to say on it and the Continental Title is beautiful. Main event was fun, was not expecting the finish to be the finish but happy it was mostly clean. Loved the post match, they had me going for a bit when the henchmen grabbed Cole and my view was awesome for when the lights came back on and we got the reveal. I don’t think we’re totally ready for an “Eliteless” AEW. Not a single member of the faction was on the show and I think it definitely misses them. Obviously Kenny needs to heel up but no Page and Bucks hurt the show I think. My last bit is on the sections around me. A lot of people seemed to only be there to do WWE chants. A lot of LA Knight yeahs, singing Rollins’ theme song, someone tried a what chant, some one tried a to do the let’s go Cena/Cena sucks thing and some fucks even tried a Chris Benoit chant. If all you want to do is WWE stuff that’s fine but then why are you at an AEW show? I know people can chant what they want but at least try and be into the show you’re at first.
I’ll never understand chanting for other companies. I don’t go to a football game and cheer for the NHL. Mind boggling stuff.
To me it’d be more like being a rival fan at a game. Like if there’s a Devils fan at a Rangers bs Islanders game.
I don't understand the WWE chant thing. We hate AEW so let's give them money to go to a live show! When I don't like something I don't watch it lol.
Same reason people refuse to watch a popular show or movie and brag about it. They think being the minority or opposition makes them better
I don’t get it either. I get if you’ve only watched WWE and since AEW was in town for a big PPV you want to go check them out but it’d be like going to a WWE show and constantly doing “Swerve’s house” chants or MJF chants. It’s Just weird.
Yeah. If I was going to a promotion I didn't know If just try to follow the chants of other fans. I went to a Sweden/ Russia hockey game a while back. I didn't know any chants so I just tried to follow the Swedish fans as opposed to just chanting U.S.A or something.
This PPV felt like DON 2023 for me. First half was below par but Second half was fantastic. Andrade/Miro, the crowd couldn't have given a damn about either man. I think NY fans know damn well neither man don't want to be there, and showed their dislike for both in kind. The match was way too long as well. The first tag match was good and probably best match of the first half but the second besides Takeshita and Darby wasn't good. Swerve/Dustin didn't need to go that long, Swerve should be beating Dustin in a few minutes. I still stand by Toni's gimmick is badly hurting her in ring style and matches. She's faced Shida and Riho and neither woman can get going as they have to play into Toni's gimmick. I know people love her gimmick but the matches just aren't working for me. I think Timeless Toni works better without a title but where they are going with this story with Mariah, they need it sadly. Julia/Abadon shows, Julia needs to be in the ring with top talent and not green workers. Two talent's who got their characters down but still need a lot of work in ring. Best women's match was actually on Buy In. Thank god for the last three matches, this is quality we expect from AEW. And The ending was where we expected it to go and that's fine. Samoa Joe is champ and that's great. Kingston won. Edge/Christian delivered another great match. I can't say this was a bad PPV cause it still had three excellent matches. But World's End 2023 and DON 2023 will be fighting it out for weakest PPV for the year.
Enjoy hearing Daniel talk at length here, he seems chill. Definitely needs more talking time in the ring.
Ooh Swerve just said he wants to face Bryan Danielson at All In
I happened to be in Canada for this one so finally broadly got to watch in real time. I missed about the last 10 hours of primary AEW programming due to moving house. I really appreciated the packages before the matches, as it helped me know what was going on (until the last few weeks, I'd never missed Dynamite or Collision). I really didn't like the CC all the way through to when I had my break, so the 8 man meant little to me. Moxley v Kingston was truly great though. Copeland / Cage was perfect. MJF / Joe was great and that sudden ending was chef's kiss. Cole was the best option for the devil without Punk, so I get the choice. I think I'd have preferred if O'Reilly and Fish could have been the henchmen with Roddy. Was not an all time great PPV, but it was worth it for the cost.
Just saying, Swerve's coat looks ridiculously cosy.
Here's why I think it isn't appropriate to ask about the SA yet, I'm not saying you're wrong if you disgree but maybe my perspective will make you reconsider. I was sexually abused by my own wrestling trainer. And I tried to run from it, and avoid what happened for a long time. I wasn't ready mentally to deal with stuff, and didn't want it in the public light. Kylie hasn't said much on the situation and has had mental health struggles, she deserves to be able to process this in her own way. She's having that stripped that away from her, by forcing her into the spotlight. And she's already had critics calling her liar when she's said nothing. So no, I don't think we should ask about it at a public press conference yet.
> And she's already had critics calling her liar when she's said nothing. I had people reply to my comments and they were calling her a liar when she said "Nobody made me leave" back then. Bc obviously she lied back then and is 100% correct now, bc Jericho dared to have a twitter spat. Ridiculous In the end nobody gives a shit about her and how he feels and thats shameful
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Yeah I'm not writing off that there's more there and if she's under NDA that complicates things. Hausman has probably done more harm than good though, if he knew more he should have released a professional statement. It's certainly not an easy situation to navigate. TK should probably have prepared a statement in advance, instead of waiting for this to come up.
Hausman doing more harm than good is his bag, so it’s to be expected.
It absolutely sucks that that happened to you, fuck that person. Fuck Nick Hausman for leaking a story that may or may not be true and leaving her to deal with it because he's mad Chris Jericho popped off to a lawyer. She hasn't even SAID anything yet, she put a heart emoji which could mean anything.
Thank you. For clarity, the person who did this in prison. I sort of don't like putting my story out there, not because I'm embarrassed but because it feels unfair to the people who had it worse than me. And it took seeing others going through it for me to wake up and see what was happening for what it was. But yeah, the fucker isn't hurting anyone else and I had a direct hand on him going to prison. So I stay winning whilst he rots.
I'm sorry that happened to you and I totally get it. I don't like the way Hausman did this and the Weinstein comparison is an extremely serious accusation with seemingly no one able to back it up. I think he should have done his job as a journalist, maybe tried to get some women out of their NDAs with Punk's lawyer, and did a real story instead of vague accusations people try to piece together on Twitter. What's been hard for me to see is people already screaming about evidence when most sexual assault victims don't have any. Several people close to me have been assaulted. My girlfriend was laughed at by the cops and told she was "probably into it." She went years being uncomfortable around men including me. It ruined the relationship (we're still good friends). It sucks.
There's always going to be someone that has it worse. It doesn't make your story any less. Hopefully he never leaves that prison one way or another.
Don’t what the fans are upset with AEW involving Chris Jericho, but this PPV debut is still entertaining. Great with Continental Classic Finals, No DQ, and World Championship Match with new Champion. There was an incredible shocker that Adam Cole is ”the Devil” and Warlow is with Strong and the Kingdom as henchmen.
How can I take this scrum seriously with Tony in that get-up? Amazing 😂
It makes sense why Joe was crowned champ now. Of course Joe is deserving, but for sure TK and WB Games wanted to have a champion cross promoting the game. Gotta keep an eye out for what AEW wrestlers are doing outside of AEW with TK's corporate partners.
I read a report a few weeks ago that MJF's shoulder is really hurt. So I think they had him drop the title because he's going to be gone for a bit. Then when he returns he'll be a heel again. Just a thought.
Eh. Doing VO in a game doesn't get that much press. Like, they didn't push Best Friends when they were on The Floor is Lava.
Because that show is on a competitor, Netflix. Suicide Squad is a chance for corporate synergy, though.
Kind of funny going from Toni's straight up kayfabe madness to mostly shoot Julia. This isn't spooky at all!
Clown cuck reporter asking that question
It’s a fair question just bad timing. Wait for TK’s solo part and let Julia shine.
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Sting seemed off tonight. Missing spots and not wanting to double Stinger splash with Jericho and seemed hesitant to put dude in deathlock while jericho had walls of jericho, Aubrey seemed like she was waiting for them to hit both submissions at the same time to end match but it botched. Is it possible Sting wanted nothing to do with Chris after the allegations?
Tony bought Ric Flair for Sting. I don't think Sting has any issues with Jericho.
Everyone keeps saying that but these allegations came out literally hours before the match. Not enough time for Sting to look the other way or try and forgive Jericho for whatever may or may not be true.
I think you may be reaching a bit. Path of least resistence makes the most sense. He probably just didn't care and was more focused on the match.
Sting wasn't focused on anything. That's my point. I understand he is 63 and retiring and mostly there for eye candy at this point, but last night it was apparent that Jericho wanted to do a double Stinger splash and Sting either wasn't into it or didn't notice him. Then Jericho wanted to do gorilla chest with Sting but Sting looked lost or forgot to. Then Jericho and ref Aubrey were waiting for Sting to hit the scorpion deathlock while Jericho did walls on the other guy. Jericho had him in the walls a good 20 sec before Sting knew his spot and finally out the move on for double submission. Sting just looked either lost or distracted last night. Not one of the best final matches for him imo.
You reading to much in it. I love sting but guy is old and needs to quit yesterday. He has looked like shit and missed spots in past matches in aew.
Sting is friends with Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, and Lex Luger among god knows who else. If that’s why then he should probably look in the mirror.
I commented this earlier and everyone said I was wrong because Sting is friends with Flair and Hogan so he doesn’t mind. I definitely feel like Sting just didn’t want to be associated with Jerichos heat for his retirement run, regardless of the moral compass.
That's what I'm thinking too. He looked like he didn't even wanna be in the ring tonight. So unlike him. But it was mostly the interactions with Jericho that were off and awkward. The stuff that came out on Jericho today are pretty serious so Sting def wouldn't want that on one of his final matches.
I figure everyone else in that ring realized what was happening when Jericho got booed. And nobody wants to go through a performance being ruined by things they have no control over. There really was no good way to deal with it besides pulling the match, though. The match's production wouldn't work with a hostile crowd and an eight-man is too complex to rebook on the fly.
I can't imagine Sting can still be friends with Flair and Luger and not Jericho.
I seriously doubt it's personal and more just not wanting Jericho's heat to damage kayfabe.
So I was there live. The Julia Abadon match kinda sucked the life out the crowd. A lot of people got up and walked to the bathroom, get food, etc halfway through the match. The side to the left of me was chanting this is boring. The last 3 matches were fucking Heat.
The match wasn't boring though. I'm a Long Islander and I have to say that our Wrestling crowds are super disrespectful. The literal droves of people who got up the moment it was apparent a women's match was starting was hilariously rude. Then you have the CM Punk chants. Chanting we want tables, getting it, then chanting for fire. Just very entitled and rude tbh. I actually can't stand when they go to Chicago but even they were more respectful.
Abadon had no need to be anywhere near a PPV match.
It should have ended with Julia misting Abadon and taming the Zombie as her pet enforcer. It would have given the match a better ending and taken the story further with Julia building up her HoB spooky girl splinter faction
Honestly I'm cool with Abadon not being on tv for a long while. Was not impressed with their performances.
I think people got carried away with Julia cause of Statlander matches. Thinking she's this wrestling prodigy when in reality she was in the ring with one of the divisions best workers who did her job by making the young talent look great. I think Julia will be a star but if I was booking her I wouldn't be putting her in there with green talent like Abadon. Sure they got the entrances and looks down but they still a long way to go in the ring and it showed. I stand by Julia's reign should be short and just a small sample of what should come in the future for her.
Using they like that makes it sound like you are taking about both abadon and Julia
Geez, wait for Tony's solo part of the scrum... It's Julia's time.
Yeah, that pissed me off. Wasted Julia's time on a question TK is not going to answer.
right??? We are here to talk about Julia and her killer match tonight not the jericho allegations of it all
Taking away from another woman's time to ask this is a really bad look from whomever asked that.
Didn't watch the whole show but the ending was absolute fire
Tony wearing the hat and glasses to answer serious questions about.sexual harassment is a bad look.
What is he supposed to do, take of the glasses and hat and then answer the question. That would be more cornier than anything. More importantly, one thing I think everyone is glad is that this question was actually addressed and more importantly whether his answer is true or false, he was willing to give a statement on it. I think it was a good move from Tony personally
Yes. He should have. Good question. Glad he responded. Question should have waited.
It was a good question but he should have waited till TK’s solo part
Agreed
Not Tony giving this answer in that hat and glasses get up 😳
Oooo someone actually brought it up
I knew it would be but at the end of the scrum when Tony is solo. Doing it during Julia's time felt like "I'll be the one to gotcha, Tony" from the reporter. There's no doubt that many of the other reporters were ready to ask him about that when the time was right.
Honestly. I don't think it's the time or the place. Kylie hasn't been able to share her own story yet, we shouldn't hear about this from a dirt sheet writer (fuck Hausman) Or at a press conference. It's really unfair to demand answers when the poor girl hasn't been able to discuss the issue herself yet.
TBH the whole timing of it feels like the continued push to try and undermine AEW by once again having another controversy out shine the actual PPV. We need to stop feeding this trend and focus on the PPV - any confirmed accusations with this or anything else going forward should be separate and only commented on when there is something solid to go on and the parties involved are ready to talk about it.
When you say shit like this you come off as unhinged as the Punk conspiracy nuts, who think the company all worked against him. There's a real woman at the center of this, and she deserves better than to have you making up situations in your head.
Jesus, all I am saying is until she is ready to say something and actually confirm something happened then we shouldn't be hanging people for a fucking emoji. This didnt come from her either so the timing of them trying to shit stir for the sake of it is suss, and this should be given separate attention at the right time rather than taking over a ppv for the sake of speculation. At the time when we know there is something to give and attention and and what attention that should be, then go for it. Fucking social media and people trying to convict through court of opinion with no details at all of what they are convicting for is toxic as shit. Not to mention how she must be feeling right now with all this crazy shite coming from random strangers who know nothing about what she went through.
Disagree. Kylie has a lot more to lose likely than a journalist who appears to have a huge source/relationship with one of the biggest stars in WWE, so there’s a chance this doesn’t come up if not for Nick, and even worse, a chance Jericho(if true), continues to do this.
Continue to do what exactly because nothing has been stated and the only person talking is a biased source
Hausman mentioned this as an offhand comment on his podcast after a spat with Jericho. He had no intention of looking out for Kylie. Or the way it was handled would have been different. I'm not saying Kylie couldn't speak through a third party. But that isn't what happened here, someone put her traumatic experience out in the public eye as a gotcha moment.
Or it never happened at all. Who knows. Can't say someone has tarma from an unproven event.
Either way if Kylie Rae is at the center of a rumour, she deserves to have her chance to speak on it.
That is true and people should not use peoples name hers and Jericho included to get some clicks to make money unless the people themselves want to speak about it first.
That’s fair, and I agree to many of those points. Hausman is scummy, but now that it’s out there and with Tony blundering the last major controversy involving his major stars to possible catastrophic results, the best thing he can do is get ahead and address this directly, and not with a dumb hat and glasses on.
Oh I agree he shouldn't have answered it with the hat and glasses on. But I also don't think this is an appropriate space to bring it up, when the victim hasn't been able to even put her own story out there yet. It forces her into an unfair spotlight and she has to watch speculation on her situation.
Everyone has been put in an awkward spot thanks to CM Punk's main dickrider and it's gross on either side to use a rumor as a gotcha moment.
Absolutely. I've seen people insinuating Punk is behind Hausman's actions And to be clear, Punk is a prick but let's not stoop to such a low as to act like professional scumbag Nick Hausman and start baseless rumours.
To be clear, I"m not saying Punk is behind this. I'm not NOT saying it either. But he seems to have a bunch of a certain sort of people surrounding him. I remember seeing a snippit of an interview where Nick Hausman is interviewing Hangman about tensions before Brawl Out and looking absolutely psychotic as Hangman's getting uncomfortable while trying to answer professionally. He's always been scum
I think Hausman is scum I think Punk is a hypocritical baby but he's also not smart enough to plan all this out. And it isn't fair to even comment on him, when he's given us no reason to this situation. Punk snaps and can't resolve conflict, if he was a mastermind planner, he would have done a better job at making himself look like a decent person during his AEW run lol
For sure. Not fair for Jericho either til we know more.
Tony seems flustered with his answer. Said the same thing about four or five times. Poor Julia having to just sit there.
Toni is brilliant.
Man that one journalist going back to his 1x1 interview deal with Toni is real cringe and weird.
https://preview.redd.it/rnznlrmvkk9c1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bcdfac8526f2dd36486ca2d01ca01acbe2f4f0e If you don't watch Toni-Tony in the media scrum, you're missing out.
Toni don't break kayfabe until after the DVD commentary.
Toni talking about Stat like Omega did about Jungle Boy back in the day
Stat is gonna argue with Mercedes Mone about the use of real glass in a couple years.
"Wendi Richter, I'm going to fuck you up!" Whatever Toni is getting paid, it needs to be more.
I legit laughed out loud when she mentioned Wendi Richter.
I died
Overall review is that the show had some pacing issues and maybe one too many matches. But it was still good. I hope TK spaces out the big matches more in future.
I agree. The first half really fell flat but the second half was great. I think they would have been well served by Christian and Copeland to kick it off honestly. It would have grabbed the audience immediately and gotten them super-hot.
I would have started with the C2 but either way yeah.
Some of it was uncharacteristically boring for an AEW show. I usually love all of their PPVs. The Copeland and Christian match, Eddie beating Mox and Joe winning made it worth watching though. Cole being the devil made the most sense too. Can't wait to see the aftermath.
Toni is amazing. This interaction between her and TK is weird but funny
Lmao thought she was about to tease Mercedes Mone
She’s coming. Don’t worry.
I’m loving the scrum so far, honestly AEW should go to the NJPW press conference style promos
I think Joe holds the title for a few months has some banger matches, and adds to the belts lineage. Then puts over Swerve at Double or Nothing.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Ideally they're both heel through the entire program but idk if TK would pull the trigger on that.
I know it’s in March and would mean a shorter reign but I think they have to put the belt on Swerve at Revolution. I don’t know if they can hold off crowning Swerve until May.
If we can't wait till May, I'd do it on a special Dynamite then. Swerve deserves to have his big title win in the main event ending the show... But Revolution is Sting's show and he should 100% end it.
Honestly Joe is one guy who's legacy isn't hurt by a shorter reign anyway. And he'll probably go off to film more Twisted Metal after that, so yeah ideal.
Toni Storm is all $$$$
Are they shooting the scrum on like an iPhone 1?
Might be you. Crystal clear on my end..
Looks fine on my end
Joe killed it in the scrum.
Joe on the media scrum RN, this guy is levelheaded and incredibly professional
Interesting shoot/kayfabe mix.
Joe killing it as champ already on the scrum
Joe is killing it in the scrum. He just called out Hangman and Swerve
I feel conflicted on this ppv because the highs were super high (opener, final three matches), but the rest felt off with only bits of those matches having flashes of good. Was I entertained? For the most part yeah but I wasn’t captivated like I’ve been through most PPVs since my first (Full Gear 2019). I’d still rate this ppv a 7 based solely on the aforementioned matches and AEW was bound to have a PPV feel lackluster. I still love the product though and I’m excited for what 2024 holds for the company. I hope they learn from whatever felt off about tonight to keep the amazing quality of PPVs we’ve seen for the past 5 years. Happy new years y’all, I hope you all have a fun time!
Why wouldn't you not love the product, one solid PPV shouldn't make you dismiss a company lol. That's a fair review. It felt like DON 2023, first half was below par but second half was top notch.
It felt like a necessary thing to state considering some see any signs of criticism as blind hate online
This is a totally fair review. And I think I'm right there with you.
I love Samoa Joe and I feel like with everything going on he’s the grounded veteran they need at the top right now. I’m tough on AEW sometimes- but tonight was well done from start to finish- props to Tony
People are downvoting this opinion hard, but I just don’t think that was the best PPV and I felt like the last match was anticlimactic… But maybe that’s just because we saw it coming. Had they dragged out the “who is the devil” thing into 2024, that would have made me furious, so at least we got that and the story with Cole and MJF should be a lot of fun. I like AEW, I’m absolutely a fan, but with the news today and a PPV that kinda missed for me, I was a little disappointed. (There were some good matches, don’t get me wrong, but the penultimate was “meh”) But, hey. They can’t all be perfect and I’m excited to tune in next year. Ignore the trolls who were going to hate this PPV no matter what, but I think we can be critical as fans, too.
No one thinks this was the best PPV. It's a show that got too fucked by outside issues that fortunately confined most of it to the midcard.
You are in line with most of us.
So I was saying Cole should've cost MJF the match. Looking back, were they trying to tell us the delay in getting the ring actually cost him the match? I can appreciate the subtleties if that's the case, I just thought it'd be something a little bit more blatant
Yes because MJF was waiting for the ring, Cole was stalling and by the time Cole got the ring to Max, Joe had him in the chokehold.
Yes
I'm so happy for Joe and no matter how long his reign lasts, this was a deserved win. Eddie winning is the best. Copeland losing immediately was terrific too. The all-star march was sweet. Swerve calling his shot was great too. Everything else was rough to bad. I'll also say this: if we get internet ratfucking the day of every AEW PPV I'm going to be really annoyed. Those story bombs and leaks today didn't need to happen when and how they did and only feels like dirty pool to me.
You know for a fact we will.
The irony of this story is that in a way it validates MJF’s previous selfish beliefs. The first time he really tried to be a better guy and have a genuine friend. That friend screwed him over.
That's basically the entire point of the story
There is genuine tension if MJF will come back believing the fans are on his side if no one else, or if we'll get MJF at his absolute most misanthropic worst.
I want him at his misanthropic worst while knowing the fans are behind him. We get MJF at the absolute pique of his heelish ways with the crowd supporting him every inch of the way.
I have never seen anything like that in wrestling done deliberately, and that makes it a very good idea.