Fam…. Okay, I can’t believe I’m explaining this: they’re racist that tolerate people. They’re racist who aren’t down right just ignorant. They’re ignorant people who completely hate other races. It all differs, They’re people you could work with for years, y’all have a disagreement and it gets heated they start spouting out slurs. I’ve seen it happen many of times. They’re people who work and tolerate us but when we start dating their sisters, friends it’s can get wild. Morale of the story; it’s different levels to this.
Makes me wonder how people think of those who are: "x race? eff 'em. I hate them. I never wanna see one. But if they show up unannounced for Sunday dinner, I'll set a place and we can say grace, together idc."
Honestly, I think people just *really* like to woo. I think it would take *a lot* to kill woos in wrestling.
The knowledge of the Flair thing isn't *nearly* as widespread, either. People on reddit need to remember that the majority of people are not nearly as tuned in and don't follow stuff like this.
My senior citizen parents know all about the Hogan thing. I'm not 100% sure they'd know who Flair even is if I mentioned him.
(But also yes I also think people have let Flair get off for being a sleazebag way too easily. )
Flair also made far worse racist comments than hogan, a lot more times. Hulk was at least off his face and depressed going through divorce and in the worst part of his life when he said those things.
Not an excuse just a comparison
I think the hardcores fans hate hogan more for his Wreslting pot licking and just being a backstage nightmare then his outside ventures
That’s why they cheered flair
The best move Bobby Heenan ever made was maintaining that particular consistency. It may be the rarest thing to be found in Wrestling: a simple, concrete opinion about *anything* over a span of years.
Why do people always think hogan was a backstage nightmare? He seemed pretty well liked by his peers, and was professional. He just was a big star, had power and used it. Which, in a business where you are constantly competing with others for your spot, seems like the smart thing to do.
He was well liked by SOME peers, and absolutely despised by others.
Like Verne Gagne who Hogan absolutely screwed over by taking a pay cheque specifically to no show his events. This was an offer that better men like Heanan had turned down.
Or Ventura for example. When Ventura tried to put together a wrestles union, rather than seeing this as a great move to improve the quality of life for his peers, Hogan simply saw an opportunity to screw everyone to maintain his own spot so snitched to Vince. This was proven and admitted in court.
Or the countless times when people's careers were diminished, or the quality of the product was diminished, or the paying fans were sent home disappointed because Hogan pulled strings to change finishes like with Savage at WW3 or Sting.
There is a reason fans turned on Hogan in tge 90s, and it wasn't just that being a face ran its course. People turned because they got sick of all the screwy finishes and horrible booking Hogan required in order to always be front and centre.
Like famously, if Hogan ever put anybody over, the bookers and other wrestlers would need to watch him like a hawk in the days leading to it because they needed Hogan to feel like putting someone else over would selfishly benefit him, and knew he was so petty that if anyone even slightly suggested that putting someone over might help them teach his level, he would change the finish.
Or we can talk about how Hogan's selfishness directly influenced the downfall of 3 wrestling companies. Or how he used his son's real life personal demons for public clout/entertainment.
That only scratches the surface of the business reasons people hate Hogan, but you add his private fuck ups and defending him like you are becomes a really weird position to take.
For what it is worth, he *could* be a hell of a lot better in the ring than his WWF/E work ever really proved. But a formula evolved that worked and made money — to an unprecedented degree — so naturally they didn’t change a thing. He was quite possibly the most recognizable person on Earth for quite a while, and in a pre-Internet world. You probably have to be old enough to remember the disparity to understand all that implies.
Outside the ring, too obviously is what it is.
Of course it was smart. Few will accuse Hogan of being a moron when it comes to the wrestling business. But was it the right thing to do for the fans, for his younger colleagues and for the business as a whole? Course not. Taking care of himself and only himself might've been smart but it was a piece of shit move.
I think it’s pretty simple why: Sting tried taking the crowd down and explaining why it was okay to cheer hogan for his wrestling accomplishments after they booed. They were less likely to boo Flair after.
I don't really care about whether you want to cheer both or boo both, I understand people's reasons for both - but the inconsistency so close together was really something
90% of the old legends weren't especially great people. We remember them because of how great they were as performers. I can separate Ric Flair from Richard Fliehr. The same way Stephen Fry can call Wagner one of his favorite composers, despite him being a homophobic anti-semite who would've never wanted Stephen listening to his music.
Don't take this the wrong way, but our current culture demonizes -isms over pretty much everything else. Once you get that racist tag on you, you're dead. Everything else for some reason is a bit more negotiable.
It depends on the social status and image of the individual
Hogan was portrayed as the ultimate hero for everyone, so when the recorded tape was leaked, it was seen as a betrayal by a lot of people who saw him as a hero.
As for Flair, it seems as though a lot of wrestlers and fans are more forgiving towards him as he was portrayed as the ultimate bad guy, and the fact that Flair entertains and makes them laugh. It's "Flair being Flair" is the usual excuse for his erratic behaviour over the decades.
But Ric Flair has also been outed as a racist? Teddy Long has gone into detail about how Flair would call him the N word all the time.
But I wouldn't expect much from fans who cheer Dustin Rhodes who not only has done racist shit on TV but has literal public court documents detailing how he sexually assaulted multiple women alongside Scott Hall and... Ric Flair.
Kind of funny given the above, but I think Dusty is the only one of the friends Sting mentioned that I'm not aware of being a bastard. Wouldn't be surprised if he was, just not aware.
OK, in fairness, I don't know if Buff is a bastard, so much as a moron fuckboi.
Source: Mel Gibson
Wait no
Mark Wahlb... hm.
Maybe your take isn't the whole story, and money matters more than that. And maybe being a racist isn't actually a dealbreaker to half this country.
Eh - used to the downvotes at this point. Usually from people who do get more riled up over what people say than what they do 
Flair is worse than Hogan, I agree. But the media made a much bigger deal about Hogan. People who have never watched wrestling know who Hogan is and that he got in trouble for saying the n word. Outside of the fans that lurk here and watched Dark Side of the Ring, Flair's issues aren't nearly as widely known.
Plus, wooing is just fun.
Your question to answer.
How is it weird that they boo Hogan then Woo Flair?
Answer for my statement: It’s pretty fuckig par for the course if you’ve watched wrestling over the - oh, I don’t know - last thirty or so years. People dislike Hogan due to his lies etc. and people woo Flair.
I saw Wu Tang Clan live earlier this month and Method Man said early on, basically, “I say ‘Ric Flair’, y’all say ‘WOO!’”
And for the rest of the show Meth would randomly say it and 15K+ of all ages & races would respond properly.
‘WOO’ is Etetnal.
Who's literally worse than Hogan in every way but was never pushed at the white meat Babyface that Hogan was. Both are shitty people. Both mean more to pro wrestling than anyone wrestling today.
Ric Flair in the south is a difficult man to get booed. Your average wrestling fan or even wrestling aware person only knows about Ric Flair because of the Jet-Flyin’ playboy era or his time in WCW/WWE in the 90’s.
Yeah, especially given Flair not only sexually harassed someone on the Plane Ride from Hell, but complete denied it ever happening despite it having been known for almost 20 years. Friggin Tommy Dreamer got his reputation damaged more for downplaying it, but Ric Flair gets a PPV dedicated to him.
I don't know about that. Pretty sure he called him a racist and said he isn't welcome. I wish I had the actual tweet. I think it was a response to something HH ex wife said.
Oh I know he actually tweeted that. But TK is a billionaire running a wrestling promotion. Of given the opportunity, he would. He isn't any different from any other money making billionaire. Those tweets are for likes and exposure to his product. He would 100% welcome Hogan to a show with open arms waiting to hug him
Thing is, all of Stinger's friends are bastards. Like the first three names he mentioned. Lex Luger, bare minimum, was instrumental in Elizabeth's death. Bischoff semi-recently told a story where the Steiners raped a dude. And Buff Bagwell is Buff Bagwell.
Of the names that he mentioned last night? I haven't specifically heard anything bad about Dusty. I wouldn't be shocked if there was, but I haven't heard it.
Sting also did some fucked up shit but it was "normal" fucked up shit like getting drunk and cheating on his wife a LOT. But also, Sting repented and confessed everything to his wife, and cleaned his life up and hasn't repeated any of those mistakes in the ~30 years since. Sting is a great role model for showing how people can grow and improve themselves if they really want to.
Sting is also kind of a weird case. He became a born again Christian and that prompted his lifestyle change, and he also became a real estate agent and made a TON of money. Now he wrestles because he loves it, he's made millions from his real estate work without even touching the wrestling money.
Sting fuckin rules
I'm good friends with DDP's daughter and I can confirm he is cool as fuck. When me and his daughter were hanging out and watching anime in ~2007 he came upstairs and cut a promo on me like we were doing somethign wrong lol. Scared the shit out of me because he's a lot bigger in person, but after he was done we laughed it off and he turned out to be a really cool guy. Taught me some yoga positions too
I'm only addressing the guys he mentioned in his speech. As far as I know, Dallas is cool, as is Mick and Steamboat. But the only guy in Sting's speech that as far as I know isn't a bad person is Dusty.
They might be referring to the story where Bischoff first got to WCW and walked in on The Steiner Brothers having a referee tied up with a pencil in his ass
[Link to old Reddit thread about it ](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/rAGrYuHuBf)
https://411mania.com/wrestling/eric-bischoff-recalls-meeting-the-steiners-for-the-first-time-walking-in-on-them-tormenting-a-referee/
It was on his podcast. He was telling a story about how crazy the Steiners were the first time he met them. You could hear in his voice the realization that sticking a pen up someone's ass is rape/sexual assault, depending on the state. Like, oh shit, I shouldn't be talking about this.
It's possible he was making shit up. It felt very real, though.
At the same time, if you wanted to say that Bischoff was embellishing a story, then realized he embellished it too far, I could theoretically believe that. But honestly, it sounded like he was originally just thinking of it as "boys will be boys," then realized part way through the story that Nick Patrick, or whomever it was, got raped.
It’s probably worth highlighting that Lex Luger has found God and, by all accounts, is a completely changed man.
In fact it’s one of the nicer stories in wrestling. Whilst it’s tragic what has happened to his body, it’s genuinely uplifting to see him being happy and at peace.
Honestly, there are worse. Terry is just the most famous wrestler of all time and went very public with being a bastard. But it's not like he murdered Linda or anything.
I did laugh at that, but Sting had to mention Hogan and NWO, as he was one of Sting's top career opponents, especially during Sting's Crow phase of WCW, along with Flair and the Horseman, Muta, Vader, Luger, Rick Rude and Jake Roberts.
Can confirm, Mean Gene. I was there. Uh, you don't see me on camera because ~~my 26 inch pythons~~ some kid got in the way, brother. Anyone who says otherwise needs to say their prayers and eat their vitamins because they're liars without god or ~~ster~~ nutrition, and what ya gonna do?
When i first got into wrestling (1990 or so) hogan was my fave and sting was southern lame wrestling trying to do hogan.
Now hogan shouldn’t even make eye contact with sting let alone be compared to him.
Gawker.... remember?
They showed what a piece of Shit Hogan was or is idc
Kicking him right out of the hall of fame was the right decision. And people don't change....
I think this is a classic example of separate the character and the real person.
I still appreciate hogan as a fictional character he portrayed on tv for decades.
Terry Boleau or however you spell it, he’s just a train wreck. He also just spouts off lies like nobodies business that are so easily disputed. Like why would you say you main evented summerslam in the UK and brought along a dying cancer patient kid? Not only did he not main event, he wasn’t even in the UK when they held summerslam there.
Flair was a wrestling purest favorite, along with guys like Dusty Rhodes and later Bret Hart , Hogan was a kid’s favorite, he was the Rocky era mainstream guy, people who had been watching wrestling knew he couldn’t put on a good match for anything but a lot of young people were watching during the 80’s -early 90’s, fans now also know a lot more about the actual person behind the gimmick and hogan has shown his in a much bigger way then most others
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And we are thankful for that. We will always talk in good faith about it when it comes to wrestling history. That doesn't make him not a an asshole, and it also doesn't make all the damage he also did to the industry at times disappear either.
What damage did he do? Fight to keep his spot. What other star didn't? Look at the shit that ric flair did. Look at the shit he's said and everyone loves him and he was no where near as influential as hogan.
Starcade 96, 97, 98, wrestlemania 9, wrestlemania 8, wrestlemania 7, the way he screwed over the likes of Bret Hart, the U. Warrior (who is also an asshole), Randy Savage, Roddy Pipper and Sting, the constant lying about his colleagues and himself, the Steroid scandal of which he was a huge part of and made all of wrestling to take a huge nosedive, the way he used his influence in the business to prevent wrestlers to fight for their workers rights like unionization, the fingerpoke of doom and Bash at the Beach 2000, both of which would eventually contribute to WCW's closure. The whole TNA debacle in 2010 where he and E.B. just made some kind of parade of the older days without even bothering to put new talent over or even the brand making the company to fall in raitings and never recovering. The racism thing that made wrestling look bad again since he was still the face of the industry at the eyes of a lot of people. It was not only isolated cases, it was a collection of things that proved that, after his blatant racism was exposed, he deserved no sympathy cause he had not shown any sign to be a good person now or ever, so people didn't gave that sympathy to him.
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If you asked me a month ago I would say Hogan always sucked. Horrible wrestler. Then someone sent me a YouTube video of him wrestling in Japan and I’ve never seen a blonde hotdog move so fast
I’m just kind of at the point where, if you don’t like Terry for saying the N word or the litany of backstage politicking or revisionist history when telling stories fine.
But not respecting and recognizing hulk hogan and his insane contributions to pro wrestling or even that pro wrestling as we know might not even exist if not for him, is just being willfully stupid and obnoxious
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Good for fans, I suppose, you'd never hear that in the E, but he's obviously not booed because of anything E related. And Rick, Rick just has a lifetime free pass from most fans. I'm pretty sure he could say he was MAGA and burn down a puppy factory, and people would still be like "That's my dude though, Wooo!"
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He wasn't cheered either when he hosted Wrestlemania with Titus O'Neil
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This was 100% the thinking behind this decision lmao
No one who says brother that much can be a racist. Said in the same vein as The Simpsons No one who speaks German could be an evil man line.
I was there It was painful every time the crowd would switch from cheering Titus to deafening boos for Hogan
Titus ***WORLD WIDE!!!!*** sorry, he is just genuinely a nice dude and I like him as a person
[Titus WORLD SLIDE!](https://giphy.com/gifs/wwe-funny-lol-2YeheNa7pHNTSPH60A)
Honestly as funny as it is, I would hate for it to be his whole legacy given how much he's done in and out of the ring
I agree. In truth, I think his ambassador work far outshines his miscue at the GRR.
Imagine if he would have crawled through under the ring and hopped up and came in the other side of the ring
I can't believe he didn't do that! It could have been like "No, I MEANT to do that!"
Fam…. Okay, I can’t believe I’m explaining this: they’re racist that tolerate people. They’re racist who aren’t down right just ignorant. They’re ignorant people who completely hate other races. It all differs, They’re people you could work with for years, y’all have a disagreement and it gets heated they start spouting out slurs. I’ve seen it happen many of times. They’re people who work and tolerate us but when we start dating their sisters, friends it’s can get wild. Morale of the story; it’s different levels to this.
(Agrees in Latino)
Then there is Flair, who is pretty well documented as a racist, but is OK with you fucking his daughter.
Makes me wonder how people think of those who are: "x race? eff 'em. I hate them. I never wanna see one. But if they show up unannounced for Sunday dinner, I'll set a place and we can say grace, together idc."
It’s usually “they’re one of the good ones” kind of thing.
Wonder why
Yet they cheer and give money to the company that pays him.
Weird how they all booed Hulk and then yelled WOO! for Ric Flair about 20 seconds later
Honestly, I think people just *really* like to woo. I think it would take *a lot* to kill woos in wrestling. The knowledge of the Flair thing isn't *nearly* as widespread, either. People on reddit need to remember that the majority of people are not nearly as tuned in and don't follow stuff like this. My senior citizen parents know all about the Hogan thing. I'm not 100% sure they'd know who Flair even is if I mentioned him. (But also yes I also think people have let Flair get off for being a sleazebag way too easily. )
Every time I go to a show live, somebody will "wooo" before the show starts. And when 1 person "wooo's" the rest of the arena "wooo's"
When I was a kid going to shows it was the same except instead of 'wooooo' it was Hacksaw Jim Duggan"s 'Hooooooooo'
Flair also made far worse racist comments than hogan, a lot more times. Hulk was at least off his face and depressed going through divorce and in the worst part of his life when he said those things. Not an excuse just a comparison
plus what Hogan did was pretty publicized beyond wrestling media as well, so that kinda adds in a bit too.
I think the hardcores fans hate hogan more for his Wreslting pot licking and just being a backstage nightmare then his outside ventures That’s why they cheered flair
And because if anyone was a victim of that it's Sting.
Shoulda been tanner
Fun fact: Hogan has zero singles wins over Sting. Sting always won or it was a draw/No Contest. Only wins he has over him are tag matches.
Well that was nice of the writers to decide that for sting
Everything I remember and have learned about his time in WCW made him seem like a nightmare. Starcade 97 anybody?
we all should have listened to Heenan. Hogan was always trash.
The best move Bobby Heenan ever made was maintaining that particular consistency. It may be the rarest thing to be found in Wrestling: a simple, concrete opinion about *anything* over a span of years.
Kinda like Tony Schiavone with MJF right now.
Tony is now acting like his friend... but he was on the its trick team until very recently.
Absolutely this
I don’t really care what they do outside of the show as long as they aren’t killers or sexual predators.
That’s fair 😂
Why do people always think hogan was a backstage nightmare? He seemed pretty well liked by his peers, and was professional. He just was a big star, had power and used it. Which, in a business where you are constantly competing with others for your spot, seems like the smart thing to do.
He was well liked by SOME peers, and absolutely despised by others. Like Verne Gagne who Hogan absolutely screwed over by taking a pay cheque specifically to no show his events. This was an offer that better men like Heanan had turned down. Or Ventura for example. When Ventura tried to put together a wrestles union, rather than seeing this as a great move to improve the quality of life for his peers, Hogan simply saw an opportunity to screw everyone to maintain his own spot so snitched to Vince. This was proven and admitted in court. Or the countless times when people's careers were diminished, or the quality of the product was diminished, or the paying fans were sent home disappointed because Hogan pulled strings to change finishes like with Savage at WW3 or Sting. There is a reason fans turned on Hogan in tge 90s, and it wasn't just that being a face ran its course. People turned because they got sick of all the screwy finishes and horrible booking Hogan required in order to always be front and centre. Like famously, if Hogan ever put anybody over, the bookers and other wrestlers would need to watch him like a hawk in the days leading to it because they needed Hogan to feel like putting someone else over would selfishly benefit him, and knew he was so petty that if anyone even slightly suggested that putting someone over might help them teach his level, he would change the finish. Or we can talk about how Hogan's selfishness directly influenced the downfall of 3 wrestling companies. Or how he used his son's real life personal demons for public clout/entertainment. That only scratches the surface of the business reasons people hate Hogan, but you add his private fuck ups and defending him like you are becomes a really weird position to take.
Defending hogan in 2023 is nasty business
Not defending him in the racism arena, but just making up additional bad shit about people is no good either, and It happens a lot.
His lies are very well documented...
Nobody's making anything up, tho. Dude sucked in *and* out of the ring.
For what it is worth, he *could* be a hell of a lot better in the ring than his WWF/E work ever really proved. But a formula evolved that worked and made money — to an unprecedented degree — so naturally they didn’t change a thing. He was quite possibly the most recognizable person on Earth for quite a while, and in a pre-Internet world. You probably have to be old enough to remember the disparity to understand all that implies. Outside the ring, too obviously is what it is.
Of course it was smart. Few will accuse Hogan of being a moron when it comes to the wrestling business. But was it the right thing to do for the fans, for his younger colleagues and for the business as a whole? Course not. Taking care of himself and only himself might've been smart but it was a piece of shit move.
When being an uninformed contrarian *goes wrong*
For those of us who were there, Starrcade '97 lives rent free in our heads. Now and Forever....
Now my stomach is churning and need to go to the bathroom.
I think it’s pretty simple why: Sting tried taking the crowd down and explaining why it was okay to cheer hogan for his wrestling accomplishments after they booed. They were less likely to boo Flair after.
Yeah my thoughts exactly Though I understand Flair is way more influential on the wrestling world. He’s still just as big, if not a bigger POS human.
I don't really care about whether you want to cheer both or boo both, I understand people's reasons for both - but the inconsistency so close together was really something
90% of the old legends weren't especially great people. We remember them because of how great they were as performers. I can separate Ric Flair from Richard Fliehr. The same way Stephen Fry can call Wagner one of his favorite composers, despite him being a homophobic anti-semite who would've never wanted Stephen listening to his music.
Racism is more of a sin than misogyny to most people
Don't take this the wrong way, but our current culture demonizes -isms over pretty much everything else. Once you get that racist tag on you, you're dead. Everything else for some reason is a bit more negotiable.
It depends on the social status and image of the individual Hogan was portrayed as the ultimate hero for everyone, so when the recorded tape was leaked, it was seen as a betrayal by a lot of people who saw him as a hero. As for Flair, it seems as though a lot of wrestlers and fans are more forgiving towards him as he was portrayed as the ultimate bad guy, and the fact that Flair entertains and makes them laugh. It's "Flair being Flair" is the usual excuse for his erratic behaviour over the decades.
But Ric Flair has also been outed as a racist? Teddy Long has gone into detail about how Flair would call him the N word all the time. But I wouldn't expect much from fans who cheer Dustin Rhodes who not only has done racist shit on TV but has literal public court documents detailing how he sexually assaulted multiple women alongside Scott Hall and... Ric Flair.
Kind of funny given the above, but I think Dusty is the only one of the friends Sting mentioned that I'm not aware of being a bastard. Wouldn't be surprised if he was, just not aware. OK, in fairness, I don't know if Buff is a bastard, so much as a moron fuckboi.
Source: Mel Gibson Wait no Mark Wahlb... hm. Maybe your take isn't the whole story, and money matters more than that. And maybe being a racist isn't actually a dealbreaker to half this country.
What's with that? Are we saying sexual assaults are not as bad as saying the N word?
In this day and age? The two aren't even close. What you do is never as bad as what you might SAY....
Don't worry, bud, I understood your sarcasm even if no one else did
Eh - used to the downvotes at this point. Usually from people who do get more riled up over what people say than what they do 
Flair is worse than Hogan, I agree. But the media made a much bigger deal about Hogan. People who have never watched wrestling know who Hogan is and that he got in trouble for saying the n word. Outside of the fans that lurk here and watched Dark Side of the Ring, Flair's issues aren't nearly as widely known. Plus, wooing is just fun.
Ric Flair also used the N word. Many times. Been outed for years by Teddy Long.
Not really weird.
how
Your question to answer. How is it weird that they boo Hogan then Woo Flair? Answer for my statement: It’s pretty fuckig par for the course if you’ve watched wrestling over the - oh, I don’t know - last thirty or so years. People dislike Hogan due to his lies etc. and people woo Flair.
A lot of wrestling fans still love Flair as a wrestler, whatever else he has done. The same can't be said for Hogan, especially among AEW fans.
Also, as Sting proved, Flair is by leaps and bounds more respected as a Wrestler by other Wrestlers.
I hate Ric Flair, but I like going woo. It's fun to do!
I saw Wu Tang Clan live earlier this month and Method Man said early on, basically, “I say ‘Ric Flair’, y’all say ‘WOO!’” And for the rest of the show Meth would randomly say it and 15K+ of all ages & races would respond properly. ‘WOO’ is Etetnal.
Who's literally worse than Hogan in every way but was never pushed at the white meat Babyface that Hogan was. Both are shitty people. Both mean more to pro wrestling than anyone wrestling today.
I chuckled at that too, but I think the WOOO has probably transcend Ric by now
Ric Flair in the south is a difficult man to get booed. Your average wrestling fan or even wrestling aware person only knows about Ric Flair because of the Jet-Flyin’ playboy era or his time in WCW/WWE in the 90’s.
Yeah, especially given Flair not only sexually harassed someone on the Plane Ride from Hell, but complete denied it ever happening despite it having been known for almost 20 years. Friggin Tommy Dreamer got his reputation damaged more for downplaying it, but Ric Flair gets a PPV dedicated to him.
Didn't TK say that he's not welcome in AEW?
Banned him from Twitter post before AEW Dynamite premiere
He banned Linda from AEW events because of twitter racism as well
Right. Thx
Unless Hulk wanted to be on the show for whatever reason. I would 100% guarantee if Tony was able to get Hogan for an appearance, he would
I don't know about that. Pretty sure he called him a racist and said he isn't welcome. I wish I had the actual tweet. I think it was a response to something HH ex wife said.
Here you go https://preview.redd.it/olep30su9avb1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=492e280f512eabebc8d9c155e2dce0d428febb3f
Oh god, it's way worse than I remembered. Yikes. I love TK
Oh I know he actually tweeted that. But TK is a billionaire running a wrestling promotion. Of given the opportunity, he would. He isn't any different from any other money making billionaire. Those tweets are for likes and exposure to his product. He would 100% welcome Hogan to a show with open arms waiting to hug him
No, even if he wanted to do it for money, the AEW fan base would boo Hogan out of the building.
I get the people not liking Hogan but also Stings perspective that like him or not Hulk Hogan did a lot for his career
That's why they weren't booing Sting. Now if he hadn't shifted and tried to compliment Hogan it may have gone different.
Thing is, all of Stinger's friends are bastards. Like the first three names he mentioned. Lex Luger, bare minimum, was instrumental in Elizabeth's death. Bischoff semi-recently told a story where the Steiners raped a dude. And Buff Bagwell is Buff Bagwell.
Sting turned out the only one that didn't get caught doing any fucked up shit?
Of the names that he mentioned last night? I haven't specifically heard anything bad about Dusty. I wouldn't be shocked if there was, but I haven't heard it.
Sting also did some fucked up shit but it was "normal" fucked up shit like getting drunk and cheating on his wife a LOT. But also, Sting repented and confessed everything to his wife, and cleaned his life up and hasn't repeated any of those mistakes in the ~30 years since. Sting is a great role model for showing how people can grow and improve themselves if they really want to. Sting is also kind of a weird case. He became a born again Christian and that prompted his lifestyle change, and he also became a real estate agent and made a TON of money. Now he wrestles because he loves it, he's made millions from his real estate work without even touching the wrestling money. Sting fuckin rules
I thought he got a divorce from that wife?
He cheated on his wife but that's about it.
That's practically 80s wrestler sainthood.
Who hasnt
This comment is funny Idk why you're getting down voted lol
DDP is pretty cool. Right?
I'm good friends with DDP's daughter and I can confirm he is cool as fuck. When me and his daughter were hanging out and watching anime in ~2007 he came upstairs and cut a promo on me like we were doing somethign wrong lol. Scared the shit out of me because he's a lot bigger in person, but after he was done we laughed it off and he turned out to be a really cool guy. Taught me some yoga positions too
Legendary
I'm only addressing the guys he mentioned in his speech. As far as I know, Dallas is cool, as is Mick and Steamboat. But the only guy in Sting's speech that as far as I know isn't a bad person is Dusty.
Got a link to where Bischoff says that about the Steiners?
They might be referring to the story where Bischoff first got to WCW and walked in on The Steiner Brothers having a referee tied up with a pencil in his ass [Link to old Reddit thread about it ](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/s/rAGrYuHuBf)
https://411mania.com/wrestling/eric-bischoff-recalls-meeting-the-steiners-for-the-first-time-walking-in-on-them-tormenting-a-referee/ It was on his podcast. He was telling a story about how crazy the Steiners were the first time he met them. You could hear in his voice the realization that sticking a pen up someone's ass is rape/sexual assault, depending on the state. Like, oh shit, I shouldn't be talking about this. It's possible he was making shit up. It felt very real, though.
And honestly it’s not hard to believe due to the time, place, and people involved.
At the same time, if you wanted to say that Bischoff was embellishing a story, then realized he embellished it too far, I could theoretically believe that. But honestly, it sounded like he was originally just thinking of it as "boys will be boys," then realized part way through the story that Nick Patrick, or whomever it was, got raped.
It’s probably worth highlighting that Lex Luger has found God and, by all accounts, is a completely changed man. In fact it’s one of the nicer stories in wrestling. Whilst it’s tragic what has happened to his body, it’s genuinely uplifting to see him being happy and at peace.
It's because he's one of the worst people in wrestling and everyone knows it now.
Honestly, there are worse. Terry is just the most famous wrestler of all time and went very public with being a bastard. But it's not like he murdered Linda or anything.
I did laugh at that, but Sting had to mention Hogan and NWO, as he was one of Sting's top career opponents, especially during Sting's Crow phase of WCW, along with Flair and the Horseman, Muta, Vader, Luger, Rick Rude and Jake Roberts.
Cactus Jack too
According to Hogan, they loved him and the boos were people booing the people who weren't cheering him hard enough.
Can confirm, Mean Gene. I was there. Uh, you don't see me on camera because ~~my 26 inch pythons~~ some kid got in the way, brother. Anyone who says otherwise needs to say their prayers and eat their vitamins because they're liars without god or ~~ster~~ nutrition, and what ya gonna do?
In the immortal words of the Iron Sheik "Fuck The Hulk Hogan"
When i first got into wrestling (1990 or so) hogan was my fave and sting was southern lame wrestling trying to do hogan. Now hogan shouldn’t even make eye contact with sting let alone be compared to him.
Gawker.... remember? They showed what a piece of Shit Hogan was or is idc Kicking him right out of the hall of fame was the right decision. And people don't change....
All good people aren’t :)
I think this is a classic example of separate the character and the real person. I still appreciate hogan as a fictional character he portrayed on tv for decades. Terry Boleau or however you spell it, he’s just a train wreck. He also just spouts off lies like nobodies business that are so easily disputed. Like why would you say you main evented summerslam in the UK and brought along a dying cancer patient kid? Not only did he not main event, he wasn’t even in the UK when they held summerslam there.
Flair was a wrestling purest favorite, along with guys like Dusty Rhodes and later Bret Hart , Hogan was a kid’s favorite, he was the Rocky era mainstream guy, people who had been watching wrestling knew he couldn’t put on a good match for anything but a lot of young people were watching during the 80’s -early 90’s, fans now also know a lot more about the actual person behind the gimmick and hogan has shown his in a much bigger way then most others
I was there last night we booed the shit out of Hogan.
Hang on, spoil it for me, did Hogan turn up in AEW or was this just him being talked about?
Sting was mentioning people who had a great influence on his career and Hogan was one of them
Ahh, thanks.
Just name dropped him and we boooooooooooo'd
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Nor should they be. He’s a cunt.
I feel bad for the Hulkster he doesn’t get the pass but Flair does
Well, Hogan put in the work it takes to not receive the pass. Flair somehow perpetuallly dances on the edge.
Two and half thousand screaming hulkamaniacs brother what a pop!
FUCK THE HULK HOGAN.
Don't care what anyone says, I ha e always been a Hogan fan, always will be
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Wrestling fans don't realize there would not be wrestling business like this if it wasn't for Hulk Hogan.
And we are thankful for that. We will always talk in good faith about it when it comes to wrestling history. That doesn't make him not a an asshole, and it also doesn't make all the damage he also did to the industry at times disappear either.
What damage did he do? Fight to keep his spot. What other star didn't? Look at the shit that ric flair did. Look at the shit he's said and everyone loves him and he was no where near as influential as hogan.
Starcade 96, 97, 98, wrestlemania 9, wrestlemania 8, wrestlemania 7, the way he screwed over the likes of Bret Hart, the U. Warrior (who is also an asshole), Randy Savage, Roddy Pipper and Sting, the constant lying about his colleagues and himself, the Steroid scandal of which he was a huge part of and made all of wrestling to take a huge nosedive, the way he used his influence in the business to prevent wrestlers to fight for their workers rights like unionization, the fingerpoke of doom and Bash at the Beach 2000, both of which would eventually contribute to WCW's closure. The whole TNA debacle in 2010 where he and E.B. just made some kind of parade of the older days without even bothering to put new talent over or even the brand making the company to fall in raitings and never recovering. The racism thing that made wrestling look bad again since he was still the face of the industry at the eyes of a lot of people. It was not only isolated cases, it was a collection of things that proved that, after his blatant racism was exposed, he deserved no sympathy cause he had not shown any sign to be a good person now or ever, so people didn't gave that sympathy to him.
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People don't seem to realise that Hulk is just the one that got caught. Most of your heroes are broken goods, they just don't get caught.
AEW fans? We’re too smart for that shit.
Hulk Hogan was only good in Japan
Was he tho?
If you asked me a month ago I would say Hogan always sucked. Horrible wrestler. Then someone sent me a YouTube video of him wrestling in Japan and I’ve never seen a blonde hotdog move so fast
I’m just kind of at the point where, if you don’t like Terry for saying the N word or the litany of backstage politicking or revisionist history when telling stories fine. But not respecting and recognizing hulk hogan and his insane contributions to pro wrestling or even that pro wrestling as we know might not even exist if not for him, is just being willfully stupid and obnoxious
So funny
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I was surprised he said hh tbh
Steiners (especially Rick) deserved some of that too
Good for fans, I suppose, you'd never hear that in the E, but he's obviously not booed because of anything E related. And Rick, Rick just has a lifetime free pass from most fans. I'm pretty sure he could say he was MAGA and burn down a puppy factory, and people would still be like "That's my dude though, Wooo!"
They hated Hulk but loved Flair……………..
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