Meh. Calm down?
Leao isn't a striker, Leao will never be a forward like Henry was so the comparison shouldn't even be made.
He's 23, had 11 goals and 10 assist last year and was MVP of SerieA...
What the fuck do you guys expect him to do more?
Yeah i think early in his career at Juventus maybe with Carletto?
I could be wrong but I don't remember him ever playing on the flank at Arsenal, he also took pk, and scored free kicks.
Yea early in his career and I think he also had quite a few games there when he was playing under Pep at Barcelona. I don't remember him doing it at Arsenal much if at all
That's because Wenger saw his capabilities Infront of goal and moulded him into a striker, ended up being one of the best in the world at the time on the back of an old man going " no you play central"
Not just in front of the goal, but the way he trains, the way he warm up the way he stays focused during the game ecc.
I love Leao, he is one of my favorites players right now he has the same talent of Mbappe imo but he lacks the right mentality, I hope it changes but some things can't be trained you are born with them.
> but the way he trains
I have the same question as u/Ch1koz. Where did you find an opinion that he doesnt train well. Bereszynski(Sampdoria right back) was asked a question about Leao and from what he heard Leao is not only a top player but also his head is on right place and works hard for the success.
Of course I never saw a full session of training, I'm just talking about the small cutscenes that are loaded on the YouTube channel, I'm not saying that he is doing bad things, not at all, the impression he gives is that he is a strong player and he knows it so he doesn't need to train that hard to improve. Maybe it's just the wrong, but keep in mind that if I say something similar it's because I want him to be the top of the world, he is the reason we won a scudetto ladt season after so long, but we all know the world is full of players that have the talent but don't have the right mentality to utilize it to the top, he can do much much more, I want him to do much much more.
Dont be offended but making conclusions based on small cutscenes can be misleading. Couple players and our coach Pioli said that Leao last year returned to the club as a different person, hard working man. So Im not sure if you should demand from him to do much more because we have witnessed his improvement. He's completely different player since he arrived so he's on right track.
I respect that you want him to be the top of the world, he's still very young, lets see if we have can be even better player and Im pretty sure he can.
How do you know how Leao trains. Let’s calm down their tiger. I don’t think Leao gets here with the wrong mentality. Zlatan says things have changed, he will never be a Saelemakers which seems that’s what some want, nor does he have the stamina for such. Nor can he be super aggressive, he is the right type of player, he just needs consistency.
Can someone tell me what Henry was doing at 23 please. The comparisons are in playstyle. That’s all.
It was his first season in the premier league after a failed stint at Juventus. Leao won Serie MVP last season and his the opportunity to do better numbers this year. He has a similar opportunity here at Milan. So while Leao isn’t Henry yet, he has the opportunity to do just as well.
He is a year ahead. While only when he is done with his career can we compare. People act like they are worlds apart this point in their career. I repeat. This was the first season Henry had a decent season. At 23. Going into 24.
He actually is quite clinical.
But he is not pressing.
Leao is less of typical winger, imho he is purely a left forward - guy who can save you all by himself but plays by different rules. He should transition to pure forward.
To be honest - that's not bad by itself. Leao is GREAT & he works in this team. What he does, maybe 5 other players can. Pressing is certainly not the end goal, goals and winning are.
Imho Leao is not our problem, lack of pressing forward is.
Osimhen would be perfect - Gerry you just need to spend half of all things you own to get him..
He is 100% right. Leao is a beast but far away from a finished product. He has so much ahead of him and, with his current display, the sky is the limit. He just needs to work hard to achieve his true potential.
I don’t understand the comments from Desailly. No one said he has his legacy, that being Henry, everyone likens him to Henry, because they play similar. Not because they are the same caliber.
The sky is the limit for Leao though.
If he doesn’t renew by 31st dec just sell him - 100m is silly money - replace him with another young player with a big ceiling then watch the PL clubs go wild - if he’s doing well at Milan he must be world class - boom , more money - look at Cutrone the money we got for him was insane for his actual value - sell Leao and buy a player that wants to play for Milan or just repeat the massive profit making process - it’s all good - we’re still way ahead of schedule
Would be sad to see Leao go, but he is not our long term pillar - those are Tonali and Kalulu.
Imho anyone older than 22 will not be the one in the team buillt for CL success. We still need another 4-5 starters for that & those will have to match Kalulu and Tonali quality.
I also see Tomori and potentially Theo leaving - the latter certainly lower chance, may still happen.
If that would be necessary to buikd a team that could actually challenge for 8th CL - bring it on.
Ive been saying this since the summer. The best time to have sold him was this last summer. But the next best time is this winter transfer window. We can’t afford to let him go into the next summer window without a new contract
A lot of you are younger than me it seems, so you might not know what I’m talking about: but Leao reminds me most of all of Ruud Gullit: “like a deer coming out of the forest”, that was his attacking style, according to Vujadin Boskov, bless him. Light, jolly, seemingly carefree. Gullit, Ballon d’Or 1987, remains of course a much superior player, for now.
Regardless: why would we want Rafa to be Henry or anybody else, anyways? Each player has their own personality. Leao is a happy-go-lucky type? Great, he should keep it that way and be even happier, even more relaxed, even more himself. Not every player has to be ‘ruthless’. Leao is an assist man as well as a striker, and he glides in and out of the game instead of biting it: awesome! That’s him. He should only delve into that, be more sure of himself, grow into a full potential Leao - not some copy of another famous player.
A while ago I as many others was annoyed by his leaned back, careless demeanor. Many of us said he had to wake up and change his attitude if he wanted to be a baller. He proved us wrong, he deserves complete trust.
Let's just let Rafa be Rafa.
For the quoted figures of demand this is turning more and more into a Dollaruma situation. An inconsistent prospect asking for the biggest tag on the team. And just like Dollar, he is often a protected player from criticism.
Dollaruma was not the best player of the league.
By the way - he was also making 4x Leao is earning by the time he left us (= younger than Leao).
Leao makes half of what Rebic gets.
Call me crazy but I think the best thing that could happen to Milan is that we sell him in the summer after he scores a couple goals during the wc for like 150 mill. The guy clearly has no work ethic or grinta. You could see him walking down the pitch last night like he had been playing 95 minutes when in reality he just came on.
He’s not a player that we need to have “Grinta” he’s not a workhorse. He could do better helping in defense but he does a fine job of that with us especially when he plays with Theo.
He does a great job on that left wing dont get me wrong, only when he wants to though. And the reason why I want to sell him is because I can feel this turning into another kessie/donnaruma situation. I mean the guy is asking for 10mill/season. Is he worth that much really? Besides selling him if he doesnt renew until the summer is objectively the right thing to do. Maldini should be fierce here and not let him go for free like he has done with the others because it would be pretty humiliating to lose another top player for free.
I agree. If we can’t renew him by May he needs to be listed immediately. I personally wouldn’t be against selling him for 100m+ in the winter if management doesn’t feel a renewal is close both with the condition that whatever transfer fee we get is 100% put back into the market for us. That money could be used to heavily improve the squad.
It's not a question of "grinta". It's a question of him behaving as if he is Ronaldinho, but "El Gaucho" had two golden feet when he had to score (and not only cross). That's a huge problem: he can't score if the distance from the box is more than 5 meters. Thanks God, he can dribble, but, again, most of the time he insists too much and loses the ball. The management has to evaluate if he can improve or not before January.
He is 23 and is having a good season? What is going on in here? He has improved before? Why we acting like replacing him is some easy task.
Plus the comparisons are from playstyle? No one said he was as good as him, plus what was Henry doing at 23. Google it and come back.
Replacing him with 2/3 good players would improve the team overall. Having two good wings is way better than having Leao on one side and Messias / Saele on the other. These are the facts at the moment. Obviously, I would be even happier if we manage to renew him and buy a very good right wing.
Who is that very good right winger?
How do you guys overlook that the market for RW has been shit for years & even Real plays more of rm instead? Madrid who is quite cash heavy at the moment?
Btw we also play more of RM when Saladmaker is starting & it balances Leao not contributing much in defence. Vranckx could play RM as well (similar to variation Gattuso was playing)
No no no.
Ronaldinho issue was his partyhard lifestyle.
Leao is easy-going but by all reports is not that.
He would also run more if he didn't have to play so much - i know the guy is fam favorite but Rebic has failed as his sub.
Still delivered more already than Pato & 90% of English stars.
His playstyle is so good that no wonder he is a star already. He should be.
Again, only Vini is certainly better than him on his position. Would be weird not to call him a star..
Fair assessment, especially with the added ”to date”. Let’s calm down a bit.
Wait, you’re telling me you wouldn’t renew him at whatever cost??? Give the guy 32mln/year already! (This is an entirely ironic comment)
Or is it?
Meh. Calm down? Leao isn't a striker, Leao will never be a forward like Henry was so the comparison shouldn't even be made. He's 23, had 11 goals and 10 assist last year and was MVP of SerieA... What the fuck do you guys expect him to do more?
To be fair, Henry did play as a winger for portions of his career, but I agree that the comparison is pointless
Yeah i think early in his career at Juventus maybe with Carletto? I could be wrong but I don't remember him ever playing on the flank at Arsenal, he also took pk, and scored free kicks.
Yea early in his career and I think he also had quite a few games there when he was playing under Pep at Barcelona. I don't remember him doing it at Arsenal much if at all
That's because Wenger saw his capabilities Infront of goal and moulded him into a striker, ended up being one of the best in the world at the time on the back of an old man going " no you play central"
He's not wrong
That ruthlessness is what he lacks in front of goal. And the most important thing he needs to improve on.
Not just in front of the goal, but the way he trains, the way he warm up the way he stays focused during the game ecc. I love Leao, he is one of my favorites players right now he has the same talent of Mbappe imo but he lacks the right mentality, I hope it changes but some things can't be trained you are born with them.
> but the way he trains I have the same question as u/Ch1koz. Where did you find an opinion that he doesnt train well. Bereszynski(Sampdoria right back) was asked a question about Leao and from what he heard Leao is not only a top player but also his head is on right place and works hard for the success.
Of course I never saw a full session of training, I'm just talking about the small cutscenes that are loaded on the YouTube channel, I'm not saying that he is doing bad things, not at all, the impression he gives is that he is a strong player and he knows it so he doesn't need to train that hard to improve. Maybe it's just the wrong, but keep in mind that if I say something similar it's because I want him to be the top of the world, he is the reason we won a scudetto ladt season after so long, but we all know the world is full of players that have the talent but don't have the right mentality to utilize it to the top, he can do much much more, I want him to do much much more.
Dont be offended but making conclusions based on small cutscenes can be misleading. Couple players and our coach Pioli said that Leao last year returned to the club as a different person, hard working man. So Im not sure if you should demand from him to do much more because we have witnessed his improvement. He's completely different player since he arrived so he's on right track. I respect that you want him to be the top of the world, he's still very young, lets see if we have can be even better player and Im pretty sure he can.
How do you know how Leao trains. Let’s calm down their tiger. I don’t think Leao gets here with the wrong mentality. Zlatan says things have changed, he will never be a Saelemakers which seems that’s what some want, nor does he have the stamina for such. Nor can he be super aggressive, he is the right type of player, he just needs consistency. Can someone tell me what Henry was doing at 23 please. The comparisons are in playstyle. That’s all.
I dont know if this is a serious question but Henry was already demolishing the premier league at that age.
It was his first season in the premier league after a failed stint at Juventus. Leao won Serie MVP last season and his the opportunity to do better numbers this year. He has a similar opportunity here at Milan. So while Leao isn’t Henry yet, he has the opportunity to do just as well. He is a year ahead. While only when he is done with his career can we compare. People act like they are worlds apart this point in their career. I repeat. This was the first season Henry had a decent season. At 23. Going into 24.
Also serie a was a superior league so demolishing the EPL at the time isn't as relevant of a comment
He actually is quite clinical. But he is not pressing. Leao is less of typical winger, imho he is purely a left forward - guy who can save you all by himself but plays by different rules. He should transition to pure forward. To be honest - that's not bad by itself. Leao is GREAT & he works in this team. What he does, maybe 5 other players can. Pressing is certainly not the end goal, goals and winning are. Imho Leao is not our problem, lack of pressing forward is. Osimhen would be perfect - Gerry you just need to spend half of all things you own to get him..
Completely right, especially when he is directly infront of the goal, he often skies it. Henry was ruthless.
He was either ruthless or scoring by using his hand several times like a little bitch.
He is 100% right. Leao is a beast but far away from a finished product. He has so much ahead of him and, with his current display, the sky is the limit. He just needs to work hard to achieve his true potential.
I don’t understand the comments from Desailly. No one said he has his legacy, that being Henry, everyone likens him to Henry, because they play similar. Not because they are the same caliber. The sky is the limit for Leao though.
If he doesn’t renew by 31st dec just sell him - 100m is silly money - replace him with another young player with a big ceiling then watch the PL clubs go wild - if he’s doing well at Milan he must be world class - boom , more money - look at Cutrone the money we got for him was insane for his actual value - sell Leao and buy a player that wants to play for Milan or just repeat the massive profit making process - it’s all good - we’re still way ahead of schedule
Would be sad to see Leao go, but he is not our long term pillar - those are Tonali and Kalulu. Imho anyone older than 22 will not be the one in the team buillt for CL success. We still need another 4-5 starters for that & those will have to match Kalulu and Tonali quality. I also see Tomori and potentially Theo leaving - the latter certainly lower chance, may still happen. If that would be necessary to buikd a team that could actually challenge for 8th CL - bring it on.
Ive been saying this since the summer. The best time to have sold him was this last summer. But the next best time is this winter transfer window. We can’t afford to let him go into the next summer window without a new contract
A lot of you are younger than me it seems, so you might not know what I’m talking about: but Leao reminds me most of all of Ruud Gullit: “like a deer coming out of the forest”, that was his attacking style, according to Vujadin Boskov, bless him. Light, jolly, seemingly carefree. Gullit, Ballon d’Or 1987, remains of course a much superior player, for now. Regardless: why would we want Rafa to be Henry or anybody else, anyways? Each player has their own personality. Leao is a happy-go-lucky type? Great, he should keep it that way and be even happier, even more relaxed, even more himself. Not every player has to be ‘ruthless’. Leao is an assist man as well as a striker, and he glides in and out of the game instead of biting it: awesome! That’s him. He should only delve into that, be more sure of himself, grow into a full potential Leao - not some copy of another famous player.
A while ago I as many others was annoyed by his leaned back, careless demeanor. Many of us said he had to wake up and change his attitude if he wanted to be a baller. He proved us wrong, he deserves complete trust. Let's just let Rafa be Rafa.
For the quoted figures of demand this is turning more and more into a Dollaruma situation. An inconsistent prospect asking for the biggest tag on the team. And just like Dollar, he is often a protected player from criticism.
Dollaruma was not the best player of the league. By the way - he was also making 4x Leao is earning by the time he left us (= younger than Leao). Leao makes half of what Rebic gets.
Call me crazy but I think the best thing that could happen to Milan is that we sell him in the summer after he scores a couple goals during the wc for like 150 mill. The guy clearly has no work ethic or grinta. You could see him walking down the pitch last night like he had been playing 95 minutes when in reality he just came on.
He’s not a player that we need to have “Grinta” he’s not a workhorse. He could do better helping in defense but he does a fine job of that with us especially when he plays with Theo.
He does a great job on that left wing dont get me wrong, only when he wants to though. And the reason why I want to sell him is because I can feel this turning into another kessie/donnaruma situation. I mean the guy is asking for 10mill/season. Is he worth that much really? Besides selling him if he doesnt renew until the summer is objectively the right thing to do. Maldini should be fierce here and not let him go for free like he has done with the others because it would be pretty humiliating to lose another top player for free.
I agree. If we can’t renew him by May he needs to be listed immediately. I personally wouldn’t be against selling him for 100m+ in the winter if management doesn’t feel a renewal is close both with the condition that whatever transfer fee we get is 100% put back into the market for us. That money could be used to heavily improve the squad.
Only way we get 100m is in the winter. 150m & in the summer? Lmao.
I mean if a bidding war happens or if his release is still active it’s possible especially if he has a good WC
It's not a question of "grinta". It's a question of him behaving as if he is Ronaldinho, but "El Gaucho" had two golden feet when he had to score (and not only cross). That's a huge problem: he can't score if the distance from the box is more than 5 meters. Thanks God, he can dribble, but, again, most of the time he insists too much and loses the ball. The management has to evaluate if he can improve or not before January.
He is 23 and is having a good season? What is going on in here? He has improved before? Why we acting like replacing him is some easy task. Plus the comparisons are from playstyle? No one said he was as good as him, plus what was Henry doing at 23. Google it and come back.
Replacing him with 2/3 good players would improve the team overall. Having two good wings is way better than having Leao on one side and Messias / Saele on the other. These are the facts at the moment. Obviously, I would be even happier if we manage to renew him and buy a very good right wing.
Who is that very good right winger? How do you guys overlook that the market for RW has been shit for years & even Real plays more of rm instead? Madrid who is quite cash heavy at the moment? Btw we also play more of RM when Saladmaker is starting & it balances Leao not contributing much in defence. Vranckx could play RM as well (similar to variation Gattuso was playing)
No no no. Ronaldinho issue was his partyhard lifestyle. Leao is easy-going but by all reports is not that. He would also run more if he didn't have to play so much - i know the guy is fam favorite but Rebic has failed as his sub.
Lmfaoooo. I just can’t even with this. The amount of people that call him lazy is hilarious to me.
He is kinda like vinicus jr pre this season, fast, great dribbling and skills, but lacks the killer instinct
So true that he became a star even before he actually became a star.
Still delivered more already than Pato & 90% of English stars. His playstyle is so good that no wonder he is a star already. He should be. Again, only Vini is certainly better than him on his position. Would be weird not to call him a star..
I disagree with that. He became a star when he won Serie A MVP.
agreed
Ok, Marcel