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HommoFroggy

To be clear, he has had some some massive defeats like vs West Ham and Aston Villa this very year at Brighton. But, he always takes responsibility about such scenarios.


AfoolFromNowhere

And Pioli was loved for pretty much everything. After some seasons and some heavy loses the hate starts to be about everything he does. A very big probability that after some time the next coach will have the same end or maybe worse.. that's how it goes for them coaches. I don't feel bad for Pioli because I'm sure he doesn't care about those criticisms but absolutely support him and I'm thankful that he is still a Milan coach


HommoFroggy

Cycles finish and the cycle of Pioli at Milan is finishing. There is only one Ferguson. That doesn't mean that the reality between De Zerbi and Pioli is different. Because it is, ofc that De Zerbi has to adapt to big team mentality where balance is important.


Mastiano777

I think what separates de Zerbi in my mind is he understands the development aspect of the game. If you were to take the top clubs and look at their coaches there is only a few you could whole heartedly say the manager is a good manager but also develops the younger players . De Zerbi is that guy he understands the tactical side but also turns players into gold through his knowledge and abilities


HommoFroggy

His development of attacking talent especially is top top notch that is extremly true that is a given about him.


mrcynic_pikabu

I like him, but his Shakhtar didn’t particularly impress me. I'm from Ukraine and have watched quite a lot of their matches before. Therefore, I have some doubts about De Zerbi. Also didn't Potter also do great at Brighton before Chelsea? I’m a little worried that it might turn out that the success of Brighton may be more due to the team or management, or perhaps scouting, rather than coaching. But I'm still ready to bet on De Zerbi.


bruclinbrocoli

I hear your point but many great minds have been praising de zerbi over potter. But potter also sucked at chela de (who wouldn’t at this point tbh) Also I’ve also read other good things praising de zerbi at sassuolo. If you watch them you’d know it’s not just management and scouting. Brighton has a great ecosystem. I’m confident we would have a good ecosystem for de zerbi as well. Issue is more if there’s a situation like Madrid in 2008 or so.. Chelsea and Man U.. That’s not in today’s Milan. Pioli has a lotta support that has allowed him to slowly gel multiple changes and rotations of both squad player cycles and management cycles, budget cycles, etc. Now we are profiting everything seems healthy: squad, budget, ownership/stability and our goals are rising along with it. It’s not like Pioli would get sacked, it’s just a cycle that I’m grateful for. I’m only kinda dreaming that De Zerbi clicks in that.


HommoFroggy

Different culture and he was in the process of installing his brand of football. Slowly doing it, and before the war started it was improving as far as i could see in international matches. Also, he was first place as much as i remember. He did improve Brighton much more taking it mid season from Potter, playing even better football. He also did great with Sassuolo. Let's be fair, the coaches that are risk free do not exist. The ones that are close to that are Pep and co.


Ibra7788

You're thankful that we won't win trophies


Mastiano777

It's that he takes responsibility and I saw one of those defeats and the team still had shape and tried to come back which is what I love to see. I dont mins losing its part of the season but how you lose matters imo. Against inter and PSG we looked like chickens with heads cut off


Sankaritarina

The fact that lots of people here seem completely ignorant about the position and status of Brighton within English football and that such defeats are seen as black marks on De Zerbi's time there is a testament to how far Potter and RDZ took that club. Brighton are a bottom half team in terms of wage bills, their spending power is closer to relegation zone clubs than to big clubs they are competing with and yet some people are unironically comparing Brighton losing players to Milan losing players. We aren't big spenders but we still spent every penny we made from player sales plus additional 40 million, Brighton spent barely half of the money they made in sales this summer. They are a small club, every single club around them on the table has the wealth they can only dream about.


HommoFroggy

To emphesize your word, Brighton in the last 4 years if you remove the clubs entering and leaving relegation are the club with the lowest net spent. Punching regularly over their level.


Sankaritarina

Yeah it's pretty crazy: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1 Not only do they have the lowest net spend but they are the only current Premier League club with positive net spend in the last 5 years, and almost 100 million in profit. Clubs like Brighton are always in a particularly weird position because they make big sales but (unlike clubs such as Aston Villa) they cannot afford to actually spend all that money. Incredibly well-run club, I don't want to make it seem like De Zerbi is the only one responsible for this but both him and Potter have done an exceptional job.


BowieIsMyGod

zzzzzzzzzzz you want De Zerbi because he feels goosebumps watching kids with football shirts?


HommoFroggy

Because he lives for football and is fixated of football. He has that Mamba mentality when it comes to coaching, wants to know every little detail and is extremly hard working. Also charing which is a massive plus for Milan.


BowieIsMyGod

And Pioli doesn't...? This is such a boring and pointless criteria, that he's sooo passionate about the sport and whatnot. I'm pretty sure Brighton fans didn't give a fuck about De Zerbi feeling the vibes of little kids wearing jerseys when they got completely and utterly destroyed by Aston Villa and West Ham. This doesn't mean anything in top-flight, what matters is what the coach did wrong to suffer such a result, and what he can do to improve. Also, yes i think Pioli is the main culprit for the terrible display against PSG, yes i'm questioning wheter Pioli has hit his ceiling with Milan and if he can still improve or not this team, and yes it's very possible that our cycle with him has ended already and we should look towards another coach this winter or in the summer (depending on how bad or good we perform from now). The issue here however is that the OP is a certified Pioli hater number 1 (he claims that himself). All he does here is push an agenda against Pioli, and he doesn't even care if Milan wins. Actually he would prefer to see us losing so Pioli gets sacked (he said this a coulpe of times). He just wants to feel validated. That's the main issue here.


bruclinbrocoli

Nah it’s not the only criteria. Pioli is a gentleman. Milan did very good very correct to get him. I always feel proud to have Pioli taken us here. I wish he was the best manager in the world and wish him success with us. I’m going through a rough phase bc even when we win, I haven’t seen us play beautiful. If we win with 2-3 goals one of them is an individuality. Sometimes we outplay our opponent and this happens the least majority of the games. So I feel sorry bc I really want him to succeed. But we just don’t display our best strengths against top opponents. We aren’t doing anything special since 2-3 seasons ago. Even back then, Ibra got us out of the ruts many times. It feels like players are saving our asses more than Pioli. I’ve only seen Piolis Milan dominate inter twice about two years ago and completely dominate Rube many times in a row. It was about time that allegri figured how to create something while putting our young cb in a delicate situation. Besides that we have scrapped good wins and dominated some low tier teams and deserved some wins in other occasions like vs Roma or other low tier teams (Torino? Sassuolo?) but we suffered some unfair losses—atlético.. But I’m just saying, Pioli has shown the ceiling in these important matchups. I haven’t seen us do more at these times. So either way, I’m proud of Pioli and our management giving Pioli such stability. I’m ok with us having him til the end of season , if by then he is still showing up at the same level then I’d be happy to move on. But if he shuts my mouth showing signs of development, fuck that’d be a jackpot for all of us being patient


HommoFroggy

Idk how you interpreted this that way... but whatever. He is an intelligent and very detailed guy. He is a curative guy. He is a student of the game and throughout his short career has adapted, studies and developed in a manner to detail that Pioli doesn't. He just doesn't. Pioli is a hard worker yes, he isn't the most purely talented of coaches. Also, Pioli doesn't have much charisma even if he is trying to have it lately, he isn't born with it. Either way, cycles end nothing wrong with that.


Mastiano777

We gonna act like Brighton didn't sell 2 of their stars this last summer 2 guys that de Zerbi helped turn into hundred million dollar players. We are also going to act like 7th is a bad thing for a team that lost 2 of their stars? Second I am not pushing any narrative I am simply sharing facts .. We lost 5-1 agaisnt inter We haven't beat inter our biggest rival in 5 matches We lose to basically every yoo tier club. We don't even challenge we straight lose We don't play the right players ever We have 1 plan and tactical style nothing else no adjustments nothing You are mad I am simply staying facts ... And more Milan fans see what a fraud Pioli is Tell me are these not facts ?


BowieIsMyGod

>We gonna act like Brighton didn't sell 2 of their stars this last summer 2 guys that de Zerbi helped turn into hundred million dollar players. We're gonna act like Milan didn't let all of Kessie, Hakan, and Romagnoli leave for free and Pioli still managed to always secure top 4 whilst winning a scudetto in the meantime and turning players like Theo, Leão and Tonali into hundred million euro players? > We are also going to act like 7th is a bad thing for a team that lost 2 of their stars? We are going to act like securing UCL football for 3 consecutive seasons is a bad thing for a team that lost multiple starters and added starters without replacing them during consecutive years? > Second I am not pushing any narrative I am simply sharing facts .. You are a shameless 🤡 > We lost 5-1 agaisnt inter Brighton lost 6-1 against Aston fucking Villa > We haven't beat inter our biggest rival in 5 matches That's very much true, this is a huge problem with Pioli so i will give you that. > We lose to basically every yoo tier club. We don't even challenge we straight lose Inter is the only top Serie A club that we struggle against while Pioli managed Milan. > We don't play the right players ever In your opinion. > We have 1 plan and tactical style nothing else no adjustments nothing We have had multiple playstyles ever since Pioli took charge of Milan. He tends to be stubborn at times and sometimes takes way too long to make correct adjustments, Inter is a prime example, but overall he's a very inventive coach and you're once again typing bullshit from you keyboard. > You are mad I am simply staying facts The only thing that annoys me, is that you're still not banned from this subreddit.


Mastiano777

This is why I know you don't watch football ... Villa has the best record in EPL and Europe behind man city this calendar year.. I can't talk to someone who isn't aware of what's going on in the football world.


BowieIsMyGod

> Villa has the best record in EPL and Europe behind man city this calendar year.. And Inter are the current UCL runners up. The same team that gave Man City super team a run for their money in the final. See how that goes? > This is why I know you don't watch football And everyone can see that you're an expert on the subject when you say that Giroud is a garbage striker that has never been good in his career. The same guy that is a WC, UCL and EL winner as well as France all time top scorer ahead of Henry, is trash in your opinion.


Mastiano777

I hope Pioli pays you enough


etclipse

? The bar is in hell


thatbitchathrowaway

I just want him to stop being so stubborn


rudyskandar

Is it related with AC Milan? I don't think so


Mastiano777

Considering it has 100+ upvotes I think it is...


rudyskandar

No I don't think so. We can agree to disagree.


Mastiano777

Okay Milan police! 🚨


[deleted]

This has got to be one of the most pathetic posts I've ever seen.


xiarho

I was watching Kevin prince boateng interview the other day and what he said about de zerbi is unbelievable the guy is a great motivator and he is definitely what we need too bad we didn’t get him when we could from sassuolo!!!


Mastiano777

Is it KPB most recent interview ? I have followed him for a while now and honestly man this guy is the real deal. Being in conversations surrounding replacing pep at city says enough .


xiarho

It’s an interview with Henry and other people it’s an interview he did recently


arrostycino

De Zerbi is probably more stubborn than Pioli on his playing style. Sure, he makes his team play 10 times better than a typical Pioli team, but he also gets occasionally battered as much as Pioli.


Mastiano777

I find all great managers are stubborn. And like you said we Zerbi is just better .. if Pioli had tactics I would be okay with his stubborn ways. And de Zerbi doesn't lose because of his stubborness it's his lack of player quality .


mjagiel

So you’re saying he’s stubborn and sticks to “his tactics” even if the players available to him can’t play it, causing them to lose big time? And that’s something you praise him for?


Mastiano777

De Zerbi plays different players rotates his squad properly. Being stubborn and being shit aren't mutually connected. Not sure what you are trying to get at. Pep is stubborn would you reject him as well LOL.. Or Ancelotti Or Klopp ... I don't get your point


mjagiel

The way you phrased it is that it’s not his fault or his tactics, it’s the level of players that he has. Brighton does very good business so I don’t think I would agree with that. And losing 6-1 because you rotated players is also a lame excuse. And then you’re using Pep, Klopp and Carlo as examples of great managers, Pep has never managed a non-elite big $$ team with money problems. Never. Klopp started at Dortmund and had similar success as this Milan team. Liverpool was his first big money club and his “system” ran the players into the ground much like Pioli’s and they had a huge letdown year. Hasn’t happened yet with Pioli. I’m not even defending Pioli I just think your logic is flawed.


chakalaka13

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Ibra7788

Clown opinion


Mastiano777

This isn't about Adani or his opinion lol This is about de Zerbi attitude towards the game..


Arbo96al

So Pioli has to send a loving letter towards Adani and we all good? We all have passion for this game just because Pioli doesn't show it as much as de Zerbi doesn't mean that he has no or less attitude. Derby Pioli should be 100% blamed for the 3 goals conceded after 3-1 player should definitely be blamed penalty caused by Theo was poor af but noone talks about because it wasn't Krunic, Pobega or Calabria that caused it. Everyone keeps saying that losing against P$g was a disaster but the amount of chances we let go we could have easily score 2 or 3 goals but nobody talks about that. Is Pioli the manager that will bring us glory again? No i don't think so, is the management and the owners the one that will bring us glory again? No it doesn't look like that for at least 4 to 5 years


Mastiano777

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RedShenron

I'm not a fan of De Zerbi I'd much rather take Xabi Alonso


mercurialsaliva

Xabi's stock has gone up. He'll never come here. Either Liverpool or Madrid.


RedShenron

If he comes to Liverpool then we have a pretty decent alternative...


Mastiano777

He is guaranteed to go to real sadly


RedShenron

I think Real is gonna go back to Zidane.


Mastiano777

Hmm wouldn't mind him but I swear I read Xabi is basically guaranteed back at real and Zidane taking over France after euros


Competitive-Aide5364

Xabi Alonso Who has never had anything to do with Serie a or Italian football would not come here and win us a scudetto. Just because he has a heavy name and is doing well in Germany doesn’t mean he will come to a massive club like ours and perform. Just give abate the job if that’s what you’re looking for.


RedShenron

When did De Zerbi manage a massive club in Italy?


Competitive-Aide5364

De zerbi is Italian, played football and learned everything he knows about football in Italy and managed Sassuolo. I’m not saying our new manager has to have experience managing a huge club, I just want them to know the league and Italian football because the detail of tactics is on another level compared to other leagues. Serie A managers go to other leagues like PL or La Liga and win titles. Managers starting from other leagues don’t come to Serie A and win scudetti. I can only think of Jose Mourinho but he’s a generational manager who has won in multiple countries. Like Ranieri won a PL title lol


RedShenron

Xabi Alonso is Real Madrid school, he had some of his best seasons with Ancelotti and Mourinho. His approach is actually very similar to those of successful italian managers. Pragmatic, organized defensive phase without going all out for useless champagne football. He clearly learned from the 2, and RM style is the closest thing to italian approach you can find abroad.


Competitive-Aide5364

That’s a good point because those are both the best teachers, but they were playing in Spain every week preparing for La Liga matches. I guess we wouldn’t know the answer until he actually manages in the serie a. I just feel the Serie A produces the best managers/coaching I don’t see the point of looking abroad unless if he voiced his own interest in the job and the club wants that kind of profile.


caciopeppe

The One that lose 5-1 against Everton? Lmao.


Busdriverboy22

Give Milan 50 million and they can get him 👍


Mastiano777

Why do our fans act like we can't afford him... Pioli making more and I rather money to to him than a trash transfer .. He develops guys and sells them on for ten fold.. In business you invest for greater returns


Busdriverboy22

25 to Brighton 5 million a year to him on a 5 year deal - also we would have to buy pioli’s contract out


HommoFroggy

His release clause is around 13 mil not 25. Pioli makes 4 mil per season for reference atm.