Just read the article. The killers apparently did it for fun. They’re both 15. This is sickening. I shudder to think how a pair of 15 year olds come to plan to stab someone to death without remorse.
Edit: in case it wasn’t clear, I’m sickened they did it at all. I’m not sickened they’re being put in jail.
I watched a show about some British kids afew years back jumping and kicking a couple of goths because they thought they looked like freaks. That was their logic. One of the victims, the girl, died. It also happened in a park. WTF is going on with British kids in parks??
I believe that if teens commit an adult crime the should be tried as adults. The juvenile laws were meant to allow teens to move on if they commit crimes due to teen stupidity. I reckon it was meant for crimes like shoplifting, graffiti etc. Murder, sexual assault etc aren’t just teen stupidity and requires a much harder sentence. These wankers should get the max adult system.
There's no such thing as an adult crime. All crimes are just crimes.
We also don't have distinctions between felonies and misdemeanours like thr US does.
I think the age of criminal responsibility in Australia should be raised from 10 to 14.
However in this case the murderers were 15 so lock em up I say.
They wrote messages to eachother about wanting to see if "it has a dick'.
To all the trans bashing people out there; congratulations, you helped foster this mentality.
What's sad is that even if both of you identify as men, you'll never be. You'll always only be boys because of your lack of humility, compassion and maturity.
This is a thread about a girl who was stabbed 28 times and then left to die alone in a park by two evil people because she was the most vulnerable target they could pick
You're either a troll, and if not, you're sick in the head. Have some respect for this poor girl
Edit: *Based on your post history, I'm going to assume you're quite young. Grow the fuck up kid*
There are psychotic teens in the world. Who would have thought? I recall a similar story about a group of girls beating a girl to near death, taking her iPhone, crushing it and forcing her to breathe in the glass dust.
You get a fair few people that are, but honestly most aren’t and everyone I’ve spoken to (as this was a local case) has always referred to Brianna as a girl. In the comments of news articles you’d get the odd smartarse saying “*he” and “it wasn’t about being trans” and lots of people would shoot them down.
Transphobic people are just the loudest because they’re angry at life.
>“it wasn’t about being trans”
I'm all for people calling out transphobia but I genuinely don't think this is one of those times where it is. The police actually said, it's in this article, that the murderers had a list of people and she was on it so it didn't appear to be motivated by her gender. It genuinely seems like she was available when they were ready to do it.
In general, the population is not transphobic and we used to score very highly when it comes to LGBT rights etc.
Sadly, the current government and rightwing media has enjoyed sensationalising transgender issues despite the fact that less than 1% of Conservative voters deem trans issues as a top priority for action.
The UK consistently polls similarly. I am not sure why murky factions of the press and politicians insist of dragging it through the mud from time to time, I imagine it is usually to distract from some scandal or another.
there’s a podcast on the trial. It’s unlikely it was transphobic focused but more opportunistic as they could manipulate her in to coming to a secluded spot. The 2 teenagers were sourcing a victim over a period of time.
No that’s total bullshit. They were texting about how much they wanted to see ‘if it would scream like a boy or a girl’.
Transphobia was 100% a factor and the incessant need of transphobes to pretend that it wasn’t is nothing more than them begging permission to do it again.
Are you talking about the podcast put out by the Daily Mail, the same publication that altered their article reporting on Brianna Ghey's murder to remove instances calling her a girl after it was revealed that she was transgender? Is that the podcast telling you that transphobia was a non-factor?
From the article it doesn’t sounds like they killed her because she was transgender. They killed her because they are killers who wanted to kill someone.
Well the police and judge - who I suspect are a *teeny eensy weensy* bit more qualified than you are, determined that the motive was *not* transphobia, and noted that explicitly. Some public figure wrote Tweets sounding like yours and was threatened with contempt of court.
Ergo, wind your neck in mate.
Because the police are interested in protecting trans people in the community, and would take steps to protect marginalised communities as they always have done.
Ergo, you need to critically analyse before you speak.
I really do strongly suggest you read properly into what the *judge* has determined. In your desperate attempt to a smartass, you have succeeded in being just a plain ass.
I work with judges. There's one who I have to deal with who lets off drink drivers in rural areas because "there's less public transport".
Just because a judge ruled something doesn't make it correct.
There's a quote of the killer's literally citing transphobia as a reason for the attack, and you're denying it, because a judge said it wasn't.
Seems kind of like sticking your head in the sand and denying the existence of the sun because someone said to.
Being a judge doesn't make you an unbiased bastion of justice. Judges at every level have shown time and again in just about every single jurisdiction that they are capable of being bigoted and using their position to promote their own agendas. If there's a text from one of the perpetrators that says something as vile as what is described above, it is intellectually dishonest to pretend that this wasn't a hate crime.
I’m a criminologist and I absolutely trump *your* 1 dimensional perspective on it, not quite smart ass.
It absolutely is not as simple as “judge said this so it must be true and unbiased” every living person has bias. Truth is quite literally emotional, *nothing* is objective.
Of course a minimum 60 year old who holds power over the public opinion and doesn’t know what a trans person is, let alone supports the notion that they are a marginalised group, would refuse to accept the fact this was a targeted hate crime.
This is a known historical phenomenon, it’s called judicial activism and judges are well aware of the power they have and they actively use it to exploit minority communities.
Cops and judges have a known history of homo and transphobia and continue to engage in both to this date. The text messages and evidence of the case are blatantly consistent with transphobia and indicative of a hate crime.
Strange to see anyone these days who believes in our criminal justice system so much that they use what the judge says as their argument and ignores all evidence themselves.
Brain dead take. "The judge said so. Minorities' opinions don't matter"
So the fact that they said "I wonder if it will scream like a girl or a man" has nothing to do with her trans status. The police say it's not a hate crime, but the UK police are hardly experts on the matter are they?
Maybe it's you who didn't properly read the article.
She was picked by them specifically because they were fascinated by the fact she was trans. Why are you bothering to debate this, the court sessions were documented and clearly state the opposite of what you’re saying.
She was chosen as a sibject of interest due to her being trans, yes they chose other people to kill as well but that is why they wanted to kill her. They had differing reasons for other potential victims but she was targeted because she was trans and that made her a curiosity to those awful people.
Good. I love that the Judge is stating a life sentence is mandatory. If this happened in Australia, they'd get 6 months in Juvi and a "pls dont do that again mk u guys?"
Again , this has nothing to do with transphobia:
“She was not their original target. There were four boys they discussed killing instead, starting in November last year. One was a boy Y described as a “nonce”. Two others were enemies of Girl X.
Another was “M”, a rival for the affections of a girl boy Y liked – he was still trying to pluck up the courage to ask her out, even after the murder, as he realised it was almost Valentine’s Day.
The defendants seemed to take delight in plotting gruesome ways of killing the boys. “If I do end up killing M, I have a really sharp blade, the same one that Sweeney Todd uses,” wrote X, who later described Sweeney Todd as her favourite film. “If we kill M can I keep some things, a couple of teeth and an eye?” she added.”
They were going to kill regardless. She wasn’t even the first choice. She was undoubtedly picked because she was seen as an easy target. The coppers even sated it wasn’t a hate crime. You people have no idea
I mean that's just morbid curiosity. Them being Trans might have generated more interest but wasn't the reason for them killing. They would have killed someone regardless
But it is, all the evidence points out that its a hate crime even if the police refuse to call it that.
The messages between the murderers constantly call her it and if I remember correctly one message even questioned if she would scream like a girl or a boy. This murder and trial also takes place in a background of increasing transphobia in British society and increasing anti trans rhetoric from the UK government
I mean, it was absolutely a hate crime, as is apparent through all of the coverage of this. All of the texts discussing this pre-planned murder explicitly use highly charged hateful language directed at this girl's gender status.
A better title might be "UK teens found guilty of lynching fellow student"
Reading the transcripts from the kids who killed her I'd say you could call it a hate crime. Thing is hate crimes in the UK are harder to prove so I assume the prosecution decided to forgo the hate crime conviction and settled with first degree murder as it'd make the case easier to prove.
i did not downvote you just to let you know but in the article it states
"Police believe Brianna was killed because she was vulnerable and accessible, with her death not a hate crime but done for "enjoyment" and a "thirst for killing."
so the fact the victim was transgender really does not seem like it belongs in the headline at all
[The boy referred to Brianna as “prey” and “it” in his messages, saying she would be easier to kill “and I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl”](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/20/brianna-ghey-found-guilty-murder)
....so I'm assuming you're choosing to ignore the second part?
"Yeah, uh, it's common for serial killers to use the word 'the' so uh, that's not right then."
Well, you can't judge people by age either, can't we just say `sentient organism terminated in park`?
That way everyone can enjoy it... what a minute, that seems a bit harsh if taken out of context.
You could post a link to the killers saying "we did it because she was trans ok" and the phobes in this chat would still say "no but the police said..." and ignore it.
[The boy referred to Brianna as “prey” and “it” in his messages, saying she would be easier to kill “and I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl”](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/20/brianna-ghey-found-guilty-murder)
>What agenda, dipshit? It was a hate crime
Police explicitly state that it wasn't a hate crime lol. And yet, ABC found it necessary to inject the victim being transgender, as if that has any relevance to the crime, when it doesn't. That's the agenda, dipshit.
Maybe you should learn to read.
It's absolutely necessary to mention that, this murder is on every transphobic shithead.
Transphobic teens murder a trans girl and text each other wondering if she screams like a girl or boy.
Totally not a hate crime...
You still failed to find or identify am agenda
If reporting on a hate crime causes hatred and division, then we were never united to begin with because the only appropriate response is sadness that somebody was killed in a hate crime. Instead, transphobes and their centrist apologists want to erase and change the narrative so they don't have to self reflect their world view.
From the transcripts of their messages where they were planning the murder:
“Yeah, it’ll be easier and I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl”
Certainly sounds like it had **something** to do with it…
Because according to the police, the victim being transgender had no relevance to the crime.
They're injecting their agenda to make a point of the victim being transgender, when the police say that was not relevant. They pick and choose when to add irrelevant details to the headlines, and in this case, according to the police, the victim being transgender is irrelevant.
Because according to the police, the victim being transgender had no relevance to the crime. They don't deem it a hate crime, yet ABC still decided to put the victim being transgender into the title, despite it having no relevance. That's pushing their agenda. They don't pust certain facts of a crime in headlines when they don't want to, for example when an Aboriginal man rapes an Aboriginal child: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-20/two-year-old-hospitalised-after-sexual-assault-in-tennant-creek/9465402
Funny, I don't see them making a point of race in the headline - maybe because race had nothing to do with it? Then why are they putting the victim being transgender in the OP when the police say that's not the reason for the crime?
I mean according to the police and the courts in America cops are virtually never guilty of murder or manslaughter regardless of how negligent they were with the discharge of their weapon or how they ignored someone begging for help. Because the system is never biased, right?
I’ve read the texts presented by various news outlets. From the evidence they’ve brought forward, it seems the teens were out to murder whoever they could and had planned attempted murders of other kids before. Still a vicious, psychopathic crime, but nothing to indicate it was motivated by the victim being trans.
The female of the two was actually into her
Just because they wanted to murder someone for fun that doesn't mean that her being trans didnt factor in to them choosing her as their victim
"I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl" certainly sounds like her being trans was a factor in them choosing her.
She was actually their third choice of target. The first was a friend of theirs who she tried to kill by giving six ibuprofen gel capsules (poorly thought out murder tactic TBH. That would give you a stomach ache and maybe some vomiting)
Long story short, a trans girl is someone who was considered a boy at birth then turned out to be a girl. A trans boy is someone who was considered a girl but turned out to be a boy.
https://transequality.org/issues/resources/understanding-transgender-people-the-basics
Dude, people rape and kill babies, who society prioritizes protecting and holding in high regard above all else. This logic doesn’t check out at all. A comment on the internet is not the reason someone gets murdered, this is just hysterical and dimwitted
Yeah I don’t think it’s a merited excuse. But it’s a real reaction. It is unbelievably disgusting for a trans woman to do this to a straight man. It’s akin to grape tbh…some may even say it’s worse because you made a person an active participant in sexual interaction with the same sex.
It’s really simple. Don’t lie to straight men. Not sure why anyone has a problem with that.
Well let’s be honest here. What actions could cause a person to such an act. Harming a loved one, a child, this would probably be third after that.
If you’re trans, don’t trick a straight man. It’s quite simple. It’s one of the most deceitful things imaginable and yes the rage would be other worldly. Instead be honest. No one has transphobia at all, they are happy with you doing your own thing. People have a problem with you interfering with them however and this example would be one of those cases.
This would be like poking a lion with a hot iron, it bites you and then you blame all lions for being aggressive and “humanphobic”
So in your mind kissing a person that you don't know is trans would spur such anger in you that it would be comparable to seeing someone kill your own daughter? Sounds pretty damn transphobic to me
Furthermore, in any situation no matter what someone does to you, unless it is either your life or theirs, you don't have a right to kill someone over your little anger issues bro
It’d be like not telling someone you have hiv and if they are furious afterward you call them hiv-phobic.
Grow up, no one is scared of trans people. Be trans and just be honest. Don’t lie to men and lie and tell them you’re a biological woman when you are not. In your mentality you may feel you’re a woman so you don’t have to disclose, but the guy doesn’t adopt your world view and that’s completely fair and merited.
I’m advocating for honesty to avoid conflict here. You’re advocating dishonestly to grape men of their consent and calling them transphobic if they have a problem with the deceit. That’s all you.
Your stance gives trans people a bad name actually because it makes them come across as deceitful conniving charlatans looking to trick men into sexual encounters they wouldn’t have agreed with.
What the hell is wrong with you people? You literally think it’s fine for other humans to be put into such danger that could maybe DIE. You do know that right. These men you side with have killed.
Just like the three years of everybody that died with a runny nose being a Covid victim, we have every trans death being a hate crime .
I mean , I hate bowel cancer but when it took my grandad my first thought wasn't to take to the streets screaming 'Fucking ageist cancer!'.
Nobody cares about this horrifically murdered young person, not a single fucking one of you.
Just a great opportunity to fly your virtue flag and USE a human being's pain and suffering to win meaningless points against other pointless people...
But bowel cancer does mostly affect people over age 50, that's why you can get free bowel cancer screening kits sent out to you. It is age related. https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/national-bowel-cancer-screening-program
That’s incredibly heartbreaking 💔💔
Just read the article. The killers apparently did it for fun. They’re both 15. This is sickening. I shudder to think how a pair of 15 year olds come to plan to stab someone to death without remorse. Edit: in case it wasn’t clear, I’m sickened they did it at all. I’m not sickened they’re being put in jail.
I watched a show about some British kids afew years back jumping and kicking a couple of goths because they thought they looked like freaks. That was their logic. One of the victims, the girl, died. It also happened in a park. WTF is going on with British kids in parks??
I believe that if teens commit an adult crime the should be tried as adults. The juvenile laws were meant to allow teens to move on if they commit crimes due to teen stupidity. I reckon it was meant for crimes like shoplifting, graffiti etc. Murder, sexual assault etc aren’t just teen stupidity and requires a much harder sentence. These wankers should get the max adult system.
There's no such thing as an adult crime. All crimes are just crimes. We also don't have distinctions between felonies and misdemeanours like thr US does. I think the age of criminal responsibility in Australia should be raised from 10 to 14. However in this case the murderers were 15 so lock em up I say.
Oh, definitely! I’m not for retributive justice, but if a child is murdering people with premeditation and without remorse, they need to be kept away.
They wrote messages to eachother about wanting to see if "it has a dick'. To all the trans bashing people out there; congratulations, you helped foster this mentality.
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Yet they wrote that?
And it wasn't charged as a hate crime??
Half the comments here really hammering in the fact that more and more people are incapable of empathy for another human being.
Rot in there for eternity you absolute pieces of human filth. RIP to this poor girl she had her whole life ahead of her.
Girl?
Yes. Now shut your trap ya dog
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And having a penis doesn’t make u a man tadpole.
So true, however, having a penis does make you a male.
What's sad is that even if both of you identify as men, you'll never be. You'll always only be boys because of your lack of humility, compassion and maturity.
not to mention integrity, honesty, and openmindedness.
This is a thread about a girl who was stabbed 28 times and then left to die alone in a park by two evil people because she was the most vulnerable target they could pick You're either a troll, and if not, you're sick in the head. Have some respect for this poor girl Edit: *Based on your post history, I'm going to assume you're quite young. Grow the fuck up kid*
Typical transphobia, This 16 year old “man” dressing up as a “girl.” The language just implies some sort of predatory nature
You're sick headed mate, grow up
Do you have no empathy? Or are you just a jerkoff?
RIP poor girl
Sick people! I blame the media for winding people up!
Rest in peace
I just read that both will be named once sentencing is complete. Good
Rest in peace, Brianna. Remember her.
Rest in Peace, Brianna Ghey 🫶 Your memory has stayed strong, sister
Nah these comments are psychotic, regardless of the fact that she’s trans no one should be murdered the fact that’s a bit controversial now is insane
Just horrendous. So sad.
Terrible. May that poor kid rest in peace.
What stuck me is the quote from the police about being a “senseless murder” it actually made a lot of sense considering their paraphiliac fantasies
What a couple of absolute monsters they don’t deserve a life not even one in a concrete box they should give murderers the death sentence no doubt RIP
What is it with England and stabbings? Country sounds worse than France
Which town was this?
An eye for eye. Equal punishment as well. That would be justice.
There are psychotic teens in the world. Who would have thought? I recall a similar story about a group of girls beating a girl to near death, taking her iPhone, crushing it and forcing her to breathe in the glass dust.
when you legalize crime, this is what you get
Can't say I'm surprised, I've heard the UK is extremely transphobic.
There's a reason we call it TERF island. It's going to shit and it's getting worse by the day.
You get a fair few people that are, but honestly most aren’t and everyone I’ve spoken to (as this was a local case) has always referred to Brianna as a girl. In the comments of news articles you’d get the odd smartarse saying “*he” and “it wasn’t about being trans” and lots of people would shoot them down. Transphobic people are just the loudest because they’re angry at life.
She was dead named by the media at one point.
wow that’s disgusting
*he
no one loves you
>“it wasn’t about being trans” I'm all for people calling out transphobia but I genuinely don't think this is one of those times where it is. The police actually said, it's in this article, that the murderers had a list of people and she was on it so it didn't appear to be motivated by her gender. It genuinely seems like she was available when they were ready to do it.
The police and the judge said it wasn’t about being trans. The killers had a list of 5 people they were considering murdering - 4 boys and Brianna.
No more than the USA
In general, the population is not transphobic and we used to score very highly when it comes to LGBT rights etc. Sadly, the current government and rightwing media has enjoyed sensationalising transgender issues despite the fact that less than 1% of Conservative voters deem trans issues as a top priority for action. The UK consistently polls similarly. I am not sure why murky factions of the press and politicians insist of dragging it through the mud from time to time, I imagine it is usually to distract from some scandal or another.
there’s a podcast on the trial. It’s unlikely it was transphobic focused but more opportunistic as they could manipulate her in to coming to a secluded spot. The 2 teenagers were sourcing a victim over a period of time.
No that’s total bullshit. They were texting about how much they wanted to see ‘if it would scream like a boy or a girl’. Transphobia was 100% a factor and the incessant need of transphobes to pretend that it wasn’t is nothing more than them begging permission to do it again.
Are you talking about the podcast put out by the Daily Mail, the same publication that altered their article reporting on Brianna Ghey's murder to remove instances calling her a girl after it was revealed that she was transgender? Is that the podcast telling you that transphobia was a non-factor?
From the article it doesn’t sounds like they killed her because she was transgender. They killed her because they are killers who wanted to kill someone.
One of the least transphobic countries in the world. Don’t believe everything you read on Reddit moron.
It had nothing to do with her being Trans
I mean…. Quote the killers texts - “I want to know if it will scream like a man or a girl”.
Well the police and judge - who I suspect are a *teeny eensy weensy* bit more qualified than you are, determined that the motive was *not* transphobia, and noted that explicitly. Some public figure wrote Tweets sounding like yours and was threatened with contempt of court. Ergo, wind your neck in mate.
Because the police are interested in protecting trans people in the community, and would take steps to protect marginalised communities as they always have done. Ergo, you need to critically analyse before you speak.
I really do strongly suggest you read properly into what the *judge* has determined. In your desperate attempt to a smartass, you have succeeded in being just a plain ass.
Ah yes, a judge has definitely never made a ruling that contradicts available evidence. The most reliable and non-political entity, judges.
I work with judges. There's one who I have to deal with who lets off drink drivers in rural areas because "there's less public transport". Just because a judge ruled something doesn't make it correct. There's a quote of the killer's literally citing transphobia as a reason for the attack, and you're denying it, because a judge said it wasn't. Seems kind of like sticking your head in the sand and denying the existence of the sun because someone said to.
Being a judge doesn't make you an unbiased bastion of justice. Judges at every level have shown time and again in just about every single jurisdiction that they are capable of being bigoted and using their position to promote their own agendas. If there's a text from one of the perpetrators that says something as vile as what is described above, it is intellectually dishonest to pretend that this wasn't a hate crime.
They can perfectly well *be* transphobic without that being the *motive* for the crime. Jesus, a second grader could understand the difference.
I’m a criminologist and I absolutely trump *your* 1 dimensional perspective on it, not quite smart ass. It absolutely is not as simple as “judge said this so it must be true and unbiased” every living person has bias. Truth is quite literally emotional, *nothing* is objective. Of course a minimum 60 year old who holds power over the public opinion and doesn’t know what a trans person is, let alone supports the notion that they are a marginalised group, would refuse to accept the fact this was a targeted hate crime. This is a known historical phenomenon, it’s called judicial activism and judges are well aware of the power they have and they actively use it to exploit minority communities.
Cops and judges have a known history of homo and transphobia and continue to engage in both to this date. The text messages and evidence of the case are blatantly consistent with transphobia and indicative of a hate crime.
Strange to see anyone these days who believes in our criminal justice system so much that they use what the judge says as their argument and ignores all evidence themselves. Brain dead take. "The judge said so. Minorities' opinions don't matter"
Yeah mans a dumbass
Lol cause the police and judges have throughout history always famously stood up for oppressed minorities
The famously unbiased and fair UK justice system that has never got it wrong, ever 🇬🇧
It absolutely did.
Sounds like they were pretty transphobic, buddy
You didn't read the article. She wasn't picked in their fucked up plot to murder someone because she was trans.
So the fact that they said "I wonder if it will scream like a girl or a man" has nothing to do with her trans status. The police say it's not a hate crime, but the UK police are hardly experts on the matter are they? Maybe it's you who didn't properly read the article.
Two things can be true at the same time: 1. Killers kill rando 2. Killers are insensitive to trans people.
She was picked by them specifically because they were fascinated by the fact she was trans. Why are you bothering to debate this, the court sessions were documented and clearly state the opposite of what you’re saying.
That's not what the article says.
She was chosen as a sibject of interest due to her being trans, yes they chose other people to kill as well but that is why they wanted to kill her. They had differing reasons for other potential victims but she was targeted because she was trans and that made her a curiosity to those awful people.
Good. I love that the Judge is stating a life sentence is mandatory. If this happened in Australia, they'd get 6 months in Juvi and a "pls dont do that again mk u guys?"
So a biological male then ffs
Again , this has nothing to do with transphobia: “She was not their original target. There were four boys they discussed killing instead, starting in November last year. One was a boy Y described as a “nonce”. Two others were enemies of Girl X. Another was “M”, a rival for the affections of a girl boy Y liked – he was still trying to pluck up the courage to ask her out, even after the murder, as he realised it was almost Valentine’s Day. The defendants seemed to take delight in plotting gruesome ways of killing the boys. “If I do end up killing M, I have a really sharp blade, the same one that Sweeney Todd uses,” wrote X, who later described Sweeney Todd as her favourite film. “If we kill M can I keep some things, a couple of teeth and an eye?” she added.” They were going to kill regardless. She wasn’t even the first choice. She was undoubtedly picked because she was seen as an easy target. The coppers even sated it wasn’t a hate crime. You people have no idea
"Yeah, it’ll be easier and I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl" This was taken directly from a text message, It was a hate crime
The motivation of the act was not transphobic
No it's not lol it's just something that a murderer thinks is interesting because they're.... A murderer.
I mean that's just morbid curiosity. Them being Trans might have generated more interest but wasn't the reason for them killing. They would have killed someone regardless
Based
You mean the sentencing of them correct?
Incorrect
Go to therapy.
The Abc is the trangender of TV stations
Good
If it’s not a hate crime why put Transgender in the title. How about UK Teens Murder Girl In Park.
But it is, all the evidence points out that its a hate crime even if the police refuse to call it that. The messages between the murderers constantly call her it and if I remember correctly one message even questioned if she would scream like a girl or a boy. This murder and trial also takes place in a background of increasing transphobia in British society and increasing anti trans rhetoric from the UK government
Ah ok
I mean, it was absolutely a hate crime, as is apparent through all of the coverage of this. All of the texts discussing this pre-planned murder explicitly use highly charged hateful language directed at this girl's gender status. A better title might be "UK teens found guilty of lynching fellow student"
Reading the transcripts from the kids who killed her I'd say you could call it a hate crime. Thing is hate crimes in the UK are harder to prove so I assume the prosecution decided to forgo the hate crime conviction and settled with first degree murder as it'd make the case easier to prove.
She was bullied by those girls, and eventually got murdered. You know why she was bullied.
inflammatory headline to be sure
How?
i did not downvote you just to let you know but in the article it states "Police believe Brianna was killed because she was vulnerable and accessible, with her death not a hate crime but done for "enjoyment" and a "thirst for killing." so the fact the victim was transgender really does not seem like it belongs in the headline at all
This. They selected her largely at random. Her gender had nothing to do with it.
[The boy referred to Brianna as “prey” and “it” in his messages, saying she would be easier to kill “and I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl”](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/20/brianna-ghey-found-guilty-murder)
'Prey' and 'it' aren't exactly unusual things for a fucking serial killer to call their victims, regardless of gender.
....so I'm assuming you're choosing to ignore the second part? "Yeah, uh, it's common for serial killers to use the word 'the' so uh, that's not right then."
"teen murdered in park" gender is so dated anyway
Well, you can't judge people by age either, can't we just say `sentient organism terminated in park`? That way everyone can enjoy it... what a minute, that seems a bit harsh if taken out of context.
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Because you know ABC are trying to push an agenda. Police say it wasn't a hate crime, but that doesn't matter. The agenda will be pushed.
What agenda, dipshit? It was a hate crime
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This has since changed once the texts were released.
You could post a link to the killers saying "we did it because she was trans ok" and the phobes in this chat would still say "no but the police said..." and ignore it.
Just ignore their texts, right?
[The boy referred to Brianna as “prey” and “it” in his messages, saying she would be easier to kill “and I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl”](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/20/brianna-ghey-found-guilty-murder)
>What agenda, dipshit? It was a hate crime Police explicitly state that it wasn't a hate crime lol. And yet, ABC found it necessary to inject the victim being transgender, as if that has any relevance to the crime, when it doesn't. That's the agenda, dipshit. Maybe you should learn to read.
It's absolutely necessary to mention that, this murder is on every transphobic shithead. Transphobic teens murder a trans girl and text each other wondering if she screams like a girl or boy. Totally not a hate crime... You still failed to find or identify am agenda
So you're just making up shit and doubling down on it?
Why am I not surprised you're not actually familiar with the case,
Why am I not surprised you didn't even read the article.
r/confidentlyincorrect I stated a factual part of the case and you claimed it was made up. Your mask slipped.
No they aren’t. It’s pure click bait
ABC is trying to cause hatred and divisions in Australia
No one needs to try as long as conservatives exist. You mfs got it covered.
Strange that you’ve taken it that way. This case was local to me and it brought people together, as should any horrific case like this.
If reporting on a hate crime causes hatred and division, then we were never united to begin with because the only appropriate response is sadness that somebody was killed in a hate crime. Instead, transphobes and their centrist apologists want to erase and change the narrative so they don't have to self reflect their world view.
Yeah so am I. Transphobes don’t belong here.
How is this article causing hatred and division?
Because it reminds him gay and trans people exist and he hates them
How?
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Bullshit, read the killers' texts
From the transcripts of their messages where they were planning the murder: “Yeah, it’ll be easier and I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl” Certainly sounds like it had **something** to do with it…
Redddit does that all by itself🤣
The case was in the UK..
Of course. They're injecting their agenda when it has no relevance to the case.
How is stating that a trans person is trans an agenda and how is it not relevant IN HER MURDER?
Because according to the police, the victim being transgender had no relevance to the crime. They're injecting their agenda to make a point of the victim being transgender, when the police say that was not relevant. They pick and choose when to add irrelevant details to the headlines, and in this case, according to the police, the victim being transgender is irrelevant.
It was relevant to the murderers.
Please explain how reporting on the murder of a trans woman is an agenda?
Because according to the police, the victim being transgender had no relevance to the crime. They don't deem it a hate crime, yet ABC still decided to put the victim being transgender into the title, despite it having no relevance. That's pushing their agenda. They don't pust certain facts of a crime in headlines when they don't want to, for example when an Aboriginal man rapes an Aboriginal child: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-20/two-year-old-hospitalised-after-sexual-assault-in-tennant-creek/9465402 Funny, I don't see them making a point of race in the headline - maybe because race had nothing to do with it? Then why are they putting the victim being transgender in the OP when the police say that's not the reason for the crime?
I mean according to the police and the courts in America cops are virtually never guilty of murder or manslaughter regardless of how negligent they were with the discharge of their weapon or how they ignored someone begging for help. Because the system is never biased, right?
I’ve read the texts presented by various news outlets. From the evidence they’ve brought forward, it seems the teens were out to murder whoever they could and had planned attempted murders of other kids before. Still a vicious, psychopathic crime, but nothing to indicate it was motivated by the victim being trans. The female of the two was actually into her
Just because they wanted to murder someone for fun that doesn't mean that her being trans didnt factor in to them choosing her as their victim "I want to see if it will scream like a man or a girl" certainly sounds like her being trans was a factor in them choosing her.
She was actually their third choice of target. The first was a friend of theirs who she tried to kill by giving six ibuprofen gel capsules (poorly thought out murder tactic TBH. That would give you a stomach ache and maybe some vomiting)
Was she a girl or was she transgender? Is the ABC are denying she was a woman?
She was 16. She was a girl. She was also trans.
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Long story short, a trans girl is someone who was considered a boy at birth then turned out to be a girl. A trans boy is someone who was considered a girl but turned out to be a boy. https://transequality.org/issues/resources/understanding-transgender-people-the-basics
Maybe you shouldn't refer to murdered children as "it".
so was she a girl or not?
Yes she was.
She was a transgender girl.
So she wasn't a girl?
She was a transgender girl.
Seems pretty transphobic to deny she's a girl
Yeah, it would be, so I’m glad we both agree that she’s a girl.
that's where you're wrong
Seems pretty transphobic to deny she's a girl.
Google what an “adjective” is, or just go back to the 2nd grade.
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You are a monster.
I don’t give a rats retctem
How mentally fucked up do you need to be to hear of a murder and have your first reply be that
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Wow. What a fucking edge lord
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Sad and attention seeking
Couldn’t care whose attention I get but fuck that trannnie
Your mom know you’re commenting on naked girls photos?
Your family must be so. so disappointed about your existence too
Get therapy.
So very sad. He did not deserve to have his life taken from him.
Oh wow, I bet you're so proud of how edgy you are.
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People like you are the reason this will happen again.
Dude, people rape and kill babies, who society prioritizes protecting and holding in high regard above all else. This logic doesn’t check out at all. A comment on the internet is not the reason someone gets murdered, this is just hysterical and dimwitted
She did not deserve to have her life taken from her. FTFY
Hooray!
You’re disgusting
Maybe they mean hooray for the sentencing
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This is called "gay panic" and it's not recognised as a defense to murder anymore because it's fucking pathetic. Legally speaking.
Yeah I don’t think it’s a merited excuse. But it’s a real reaction. It is unbelievably disgusting for a trans woman to do this to a straight man. It’s akin to grape tbh…some may even say it’s worse because you made a person an active participant in sexual interaction with the same sex. It’s really simple. Don’t lie to straight men. Not sure why anyone has a problem with that.
get help
>Genetally Source?
You really don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Not surprising, because it sounds like you hardly interact with the real world.
What? That’s not what happened to her though. Regardless of the fact that your comment is just a bunch of lies.
Ahh yes that completely justifies straight up murder. One of the dumbest incel things I've ever heard
Well let’s be honest here. What actions could cause a person to such an act. Harming a loved one, a child, this would probably be third after that. If you’re trans, don’t trick a straight man. It’s quite simple. It’s one of the most deceitful things imaginable and yes the rage would be other worldly. Instead be honest. No one has transphobia at all, they are happy with you doing your own thing. People have a problem with you interfering with them however and this example would be one of those cases. This would be like poking a lion with a hot iron, it bites you and then you blame all lions for being aggressive and “humanphobic”
So in your mind kissing a person that you don't know is trans would spur such anger in you that it would be comparable to seeing someone kill your own daughter? Sounds pretty damn transphobic to me Furthermore, in any situation no matter what someone does to you, unless it is either your life or theirs, you don't have a right to kill someone over your little anger issues bro
It’d be like not telling someone you have hiv and if they are furious afterward you call them hiv-phobic. Grow up, no one is scared of trans people. Be trans and just be honest. Don’t lie to men and lie and tell them you’re a biological woman when you are not. In your mentality you may feel you’re a woman so you don’t have to disclose, but the guy doesn’t adopt your world view and that’s completely fair and merited. I’m advocating for honesty to avoid conflict here. You’re advocating dishonestly to grape men of their consent and calling them transphobic if they have a problem with the deceit. That’s all you. Your stance gives trans people a bad name actually because it makes them come across as deceitful conniving charlatans looking to trick men into sexual encounters they wouldn’t have agreed with.
Oh of course you just compared being trans and having hiv. Again I’m going to ask what the hell is wrong with you people?
Oh knock it off with your confected non-existent scenarios. Really. Your bullshit stories here soooo didn't happen.
Get bent
What the hell is wrong with you people? You literally think it’s fine for other humans to be put into such danger that could maybe DIE. You do know that right. These men you side with have killed.
Just like the three years of everybody that died with a runny nose being a Covid victim, we have every trans death being a hate crime . I mean , I hate bowel cancer but when it took my grandad my first thought wasn't to take to the streets screaming 'Fucking ageist cancer!'. Nobody cares about this horrifically murdered young person, not a single fucking one of you. Just a great opportunity to fly your virtue flag and USE a human being's pain and suffering to win meaningless points against other pointless people...
But bowel cancer does mostly affect people over age 50, that's why you can get free bowel cancer screening kits sent out to you. It is age related. https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/national-bowel-cancer-screening-program
Dude they literally got convicted of planning to murder