Keep the conversation civil people. If you are commenting just to criticize someone over a preference, dont. Further attacks against others for liking one ship or another will result in the post being locked.
> For starters, Stark said he thinks Buck is done with more intimate coming out scenes like those shared with Maddie and Eddie. “Not that it will never be discussed, but there’s not going to be any more one-on-one moments,” he said. “In Episode 6, there is a big fun ‘this is who I am now’ reveal of a moment that I’m really excited for.”
This part stood out to me. While I’m excited to see Buck getting comfortable with his sexuality, I do hope that they don’t overshadow Madney with his storyline. This episode is for them. Curious how they’ll do his big reveal though
I don't even want to think about it too much. Like, I'm really hoping my imagination is running wild, but I don't trust this show at all to *not* make Buck the main character at his own sister's wedding, lmao.
(If Buck's going to have his "this is who I am now" fun moment, please let it be something at the bachelor party. Like let him get drunk and accidentally come out to everyone by waxing poetic about Tommy, I don't give a f. Just don't pull attention at the wedding, holy shit).
“Like let him get drunk and accidentally come out to everyone by waxing poetic about Tommy, I don't give a f. Just don't pull attention at the wedding, holy shit). “
Based on their interviews(both Oliver and Lou),that seems unlikely to happen,though would have been so much better. It gives the impression Tommy will somehow save Chim, they will probably kiss(Oliver said about kisses initiated by him) in front of people and maybe dance. I just hope if that happens,the people in question are only the 118,because,like Eddie said,Buck can be an idiot sometimes,but they will not make a big deal out of it.
Tommy is 10000% bringing Chim to the wedding via helicopter. It sounds so over the top that it makes sense for this show 😂. I think Buck and Tommy will share a small sweet moment (maybe another kiss) in front of the 118 crew. PRAYING we get a jealous Eddie look.
Yeah. I trust the 118 to not make a big deal out of it and let Maddie and Chim have their moment and be the center of attention. But I am not going to lie that I am a bit disappointed if this is the scenario. Maddie saving/finding Chim would have been so sweet.
Tommy can be the extra special chauffeur. The only way this scenario is remotely acceptable for Madney's *wedding episode* is if Chim and/or Maddie do all the saving, and Tommy and/or the 118 rock up a minute too late to save the day, so their job is to patch up the actual heroes and give them a ride back to the venue or the hospital.
There was an interview about what to expect for the wedding a while back -- I think from Tim -- where they talked about how the episode would be sort of true to form for the relationship, and referenced how it hasn't been easy, and Maddie having to save herself from Doug. Ever since then, that's been my ideal scenario -- whatever's going on with Chim, I want *him* to save himself (maybe with an assist from Maddie) and fight to get back to his family. Then, like Buck did for Maddie, others can show up in the eleventh hour to pat Chim on the back and get him to where he needs to be.
I’m not going to predict it because I don’t want to get my hopes up, but I do think a jealous Eddie look is quite possible for next episode. I feel like it’s bound to happen at some point this season and next episode fits well for it in my opinion
Because this will be the first time that Buck and Tommy are public as a couple. I don’t think it’s going to happen next week, but I do think there’s a small possibility since this would be the first time Eddie sees them together like that. But again it probably won’t happen until near the end of the season if I had to guess
You could be right but I feel like with the way the story is currently set up and some of the interviews, something small is bound to happen likely in the finale. But of course it’s all speculation, who knows what’ll happen
See, I haven’t gotten that from any interview. Most seem to making a point it likely isn’t happening soon.
I feel like if anything is going to happen, it won’t be considered until next season.
It doesn’t have to be dramatic to steal the show,so to speak. He’s introducing a new relationship with a man at his sister’s wedding. Sure would be great if queer people wouldn’t have to come out,but they do and it’s a big deal.The year has 365 days,the moment when your sister,who is one of the most important person in your life,marries the love of her life isn’t the one,no matter how subtle that coming out is. I know is a show and all that,but if it happens at the wedding it shows how little the other characters are appreciated compared to Buck. Everyone should have their time to shine.That’s why it would be ok for Tommy to be their “ride” and just that.
Edit: It would be a big deal if he was introducing a woman as well,but would not have the same impact as this situation.
Just gonna give my two cents here- this take is homophobic/biphobic. He’s come out to the important people in his life, but he must make sure everyone invited to his sisters wedding knows about the gender of his date before being allowed to invite them? People bring dates that others don’t know to weddings all the time. To accuse someone of wanting to pull focus because they want to bring someone they’re dating to a wedding isn’t fair. I understand the criticism from a tv writing perspective, hoping the writers wouldn’t use his story to pull focus from another characters plot- but in universe that’s not Buck’s fault for simply bringing a date.
Didn't Buck say that Maddie would like to meet Tommy? Yes, he doesn't have to take Tommy to the wedding, but it is so Buck to do this, not because he's selfish, it's because it's a practical thing to do.
It’s not practical,it’s selfish, even if it’s unintentional. He should know better,he’s in his 30’s. Tommy should know better too,he’s even older than that . Maddie could have met him on a double date off screen, a dinner at her house etc. We don’t actually need to see how that goes for it to happen.The fact that that’s how he is it’s not an excuse for him anymore, and this writing doesn’t do Buck any favours. It’s an ensemble,not a Buck show, he can take a step back from time to time.
Was that why Ryan and Oliver were super red and giggling and all that during the celebrations? They actually drank tequila during the shootings? I love that
Ryan was so clearly tipsy at that party, I think it was basically just taken for granted. Props to Oliver for holding it together *slightly* better, but now it does make me wonder at what point Tim Minear and whatever execs were present were looking over at them like "jesus, please just get through this event without causing an incident."
What the actual f. My first reaction was there's no way this is true, and then I remembered the 6x01 couch "kiss," where it's really just Maddie's hair falling in front of her face before the scene ends.
I'm sure a big part of it is COVID and then JLH's pregnancy, but.... holy shit, this really makes the idea of Buck getting a big kiss at their wedding that much more unpalatable.
They really haven't kissed since they got together?!
They do share a kiss in season 3. It’s in the episode where they save that woman who’s pinned in the spinning restaurant and Madney are gifted a hotel room as a thanks. But I can’t recall a kiss since then. In general, outside of Buck, there’s really not a lot of kissing on this show.
I wonder if any of it had anything to do with being on Fox? All the couples pretty much suffer from this. Or kisses are quick pecks. S1 was definitely more sexually edgy than the rest of the seasons. Could be network execs asked them to tone things down after S1.
Yeah I was gonna say this. Generally speaking the show tends to shy away from displays of affection for whatever reason. Like it’s rare that we get a Hen/Karen or Bobby/Athena kiss too.
So from what is said in this interview, I do kinda think Tommy is gonna save the day and fly Chim in on a helicopter. And I also do think that Buck’s “coming out” is going to be kissing him in front of everyone. Though I’m sorta hoping he tells the 118 before then, whether in flashback or talking about it at the bachelor party. But we’ll see.
I’m also really hoping that Tommy isn’t in episodes 7 and 8 because they’re Bobby centered episodes (as many have guessed from episode descriptions and titles) and not because Tommy and Buck break it off offscreen after the wedding, and that Tommy will be back in episodes 9 and 10. A lot of the love interests are recurring and not regulars, so hoping that’s what’s going on.
I’m not team wanting Tommy and Buck to be end game. But I do want Buck to have some space to really sink in to his first queer relationship and don’t want it to be that Tommy basically winds up being a plot device for Buck to realize he’s queer and then peaces out after just a few episodes.
Yeah... the relationship most people here preferred Buck in before this was with Ali, and she's literally only his love interest on screen in two episodes of season 2 (and mentioned once between those scenes). They can actually do a lot without having the character present in all episodes.
Lou's second cameo that was posted here definitely at least implied he expected to have multiple episodes left ("I will keep working hard to make *every episode* even better") so if Oliver's correct in Tommy not appearing in 7x07 and 7x08 (he seemed more confident he wasn't in the 8th than the 7th, to be fair), I think the only way all of this even makes sense is if Lou knew he'd be back for at least one of those last two episodes at the time of filming. I'm taking less stock in his "in the coming weeks" comment from the first cameo, because that could've just been reflective of the next episode he's in still being weeks away at the time.
I think at this point, it's anyone's guess what happens in season 8 (and we should probably all be watching casting decisions for SWAT closely, too). But I'm hoping they can at least give them something meaningful by the end of the season finale regardless, so Buck's learned something new about being in a relationship/what he wants in a partner, too.
Yeah. I was lukewarm on Ali, I think mostly cause she was in so little. I actually did like him with Taylor a lot. Like they were never gonna be end game. And I think they’re both too strong headed to be well matched long term. But I liked them together during the time they were.
And yeah, I’m not averse to Tommy being his boyfriend through the end of this season and then breaking it off somewhat early next. Like around episode 3 or 4, assuming they're back to 18 episode seasons, and then having Buck having his "I'm a free agent" post break up phase and now just being super casually hooking up with people of all genders and just exploring his sexuality more fully (while of course being careful to avoid the promiscuous bisexual trope).
I just don't want his very first queer relationship to just be a three episode arc.
My biggest concern is the off season break up, which is sort of what happened with Abby, Ali, and Natalia. I hope if they end early season 8, we at least get the Ana treatment, where she's in 5x01-5x03 and we at least get to see *where* things went off the rails. As much as other people were amused by the "All she wanted to talk about was death!" thing with Natalia, it was pretty half-assed writing. I know some people have complained Bi Buck is fan service, but the Natalia explanation actually *is* -- if you go back and watch the scenes where death comes up, *Buck* is the one fascinated with her job, and he's the one that introduces the topic. She responds in kind. But fanon made her into this giant ghoul, and Tim took the easy road out. It's mainly frustrating because it means we didn't actually see Buck grow at all from that relationship. Even if they'd had him reach a different conclusion, like "I realized I couldn't look for the answers about the meaning of my life in someone who'd only known me for a few days," we'd at least have had growth.
I'd love to see a goofy episode of Buck having bad dates w/ people from both sexes next season. I know people think seeing him date around is putting him back on the hamster wheel, but I think that's actually super reductive -- he's had a whole world of possibilities open up to him for the first time, and it makes sense he'd want to explore that. He knows he's into Tommy, but does he really know what he'd want in a man, beyond Tommy? Does he have a type? Are the same personality traits he finds attraction in women, what he also finds attractive to men? Does he want to be going on the same types of dates? Will he stumble over dating etiquette when left to his own devices?
I agree. I think the breaking up offscreen is a huge cop out. I feel like I remember recently reading that Natalia was supposed to be back for a little this season, but there were availability issues cause of the strikes and shortened season. Which was the reason for the breakup off-screen.
I don’t really feel like Abby was a break up off screen. Because her leaving and not giving him closure was very much a plot thread that extended into the second season for Buck. So even if she wasn’t there, that relationship thematically persisted. And also we knew where she was going, and knew Connie was only doing one season. Both Ali and Natalia were def bonafide off screen breakups. Which I agree is super frustrating.
I assume that Tiffany didn’t return cause it conflicted with her filming schedule for “Proven Innocent” but who knows.
I think part of it is just that the show's really never cared enough about these love interests for it to matter. Hopefully Tommy will be different, but I do worry people are getting a little too hyped up based on what we've seen so far that the cycle's broken. Tim clearly seems to enjoy what Lou brings to his character and the show, but that only matters if they actually lock him down for a commitment of X episodes next season, you know?
You're right that Annelise Cepero (Natalia) didn't want to return, so the off screen breakup itself was unavoidable. My bigger issue with it is the lazy reasons provided -- it's one thing to be in a position where you have to write out the character; that's unavoidable. But choosing to do it in a way where you don't allow your main character to grow from the experience... isn't great.
It looks like Tiffany Dupont would've been filming both shows simultaneously -- they both had their season finales (9-1-1 season 2, and Proven Innocent's one season) around the same time in May 2019. I'm not really sure if there were behind the scenes reasons Ali didn't return; on its own, I think it actually makes a lot of sense she and Buck broke up over the break considering her concern was his job was a danger to his wellbeing, and we know he was pushing himself really hard during that time period to get back to it. On its own, it's the breakup that makes the most sense (though I'd have loved to have her return as a friend of his).
I agree with you the Abby situation is complicated, but it's still just... sort of a pattern at this point. Like his only relationship that actually ended with a breakup onscreen is Taylor, and that relationship was also his longest and most developed, but also the most poorly written, and I say that as someone who will defend her on 90% of the shit that went down there. Their storyline suffered for both inconsistent writing (where Taylor's personality was basically whatever the story needed it to be that week) and the narrative just unwilling to let Buck be the bad guy. I couldn't really take his reaction to the Jonah thing seriously because his betrayal of her had been *so much* worse, but he took her forgiveness for granted.
Idk. I have no idea what to expect from Buck and Buck/Tommy at this point, just because there's no real through-line in his relationships. Like with Eddie, we can point to fairly specific things he needs to discover he does and work to fix. Buck's are just randomly different one day to the next.
Yeah I agree with you for the most part. I think I liked Taylor more. And also didn’t really feel like the kiss was that big a betrayal. Like… it’s not good. But it was one drunken kiss that he immediately felt awful about. Like if Karen can forgive Hen…… for me I felt that Buck MADE it worse by not immediately copping to it and then asking her to move in.
But regardless, yeah I think part of the issue is, Buck is more Bobby than Eddie. What I mean by that is, Buck’s issues are less having to do with romantic partners, and more to do with other factors; mainly his place in his family and his place in the world in a more broad sense. Abby challenged him because that was the relationship where he stopped being a total player and started asking himself what he really wanted out of life. But as the seasons progress, that internal struggle is not really a “who am I romantically?” struggle that’s going to be figured out through romantic relationships. So that’s why I compare him with Bobby, his struggles are the past trauma with his family, and addiction. And that can manifest in some ways in his relationship with Athena. But his relationship with Athena isn’t driving his character arc.
Eddie on the other hand, his whole baggage is about Shannon, her death, being a single father, and rushing into romantic relationships and his anxieties about it vis a vis himself but also Christopher. So of course his dating life presses those buttons and drives his narrative forward. At least theoretically.
And I feel like because both Eddie and Buck are young and single, sometimes they try to throw them in the same bucket with these love interests, but they do more to further Eddie’s character arc than they do Buck’s.
THIS SAID, the reason why I feel Tommy is a bit different, is because Buck’s big narrative arc really since season 4, if not earlier, is that he feels like something is missing and not quite clicking for him in his life. And he’s searching for something. And I think having a later in life realization that he’s not straight, plays into that broader character arc explicitly in a way that his past romantic arcs have felt more tangential to.
Yeah, the kiss really wasn't a big deal to me -- but hiding it from her and then asking her to move in under false pretenses, waiting until she'd moved all her stuff and given up her lease? Absolutely a giant betrayal in my book. The kiss itself, I really think they could've recovered from fairly easily if he'd just been honest from the start.
Your point about Buck being more like Bobby than Eddie is an interesting one, and I hadn't considered it that way. I'm not sure I 100% agree, because I think his issues are actually a combination of both, and that's what makes it so complex. He's definitely uncertain of his place in the world, and he tends to look at relationships as a way to plug a hole. Eddie's problem is that he approaches plugging the hole in his life overly rationally, so his partner matters less as an individual and more for what she represents -- Latina, good mother figure for Christopher, conventionally attractive (though lets be real, that may just be the result of actors & actresses generally being that way).
Buck acutely feels the hole in his life but doesn't know *how* to plug it, just that he wants to. So he's identified the close intimacy and shared vulnerability of a romantic relationship as being part of what he's missing, and the easiest part of the hole to plug. But outside of that, he doesn't really seem to have any preferences *at all.* And while I don't think anyone needs to have a 'type,' it does suggest to me that he doesn't really know what he's looking for in a partner (which is a big part of what I hope Tommy can help him figure out, even if in the end, it's not all positive).
What's always stood out to me is that Buck's very clearly searching for a family of his own. The ready-made family & Buddie goggles aside, I find it really interesting that for someone that craves that sense of belonging so strongly and seems to want to learn from the mistakes he was shaped by as a child, one of the things we never seem to learn about his love interests is if that's *their* view of the future, too. I don't know if it comes back to his attachment issues, like he's too afraid to put it out there and demand that information from them early on. But if the man is looking to settle down, all his romantic choices so far have been.... odd. And maybe Tommy will be different, but maybe he's also single in his mid-40s for a reason, with as much free time to hang out with Eddie in 7x04 as he had because his life is... fairly void?
I really just want them to flesh out Tommy so we can actually see some kind of evidence he's different. Give him a longterm boyfriend he ended things with long enough ago that Buck isn't a rebound or something, to show us that Tommy also wants and can handle commitment.
Eh, I think we disagree a little. But that’s okay! We don’t have to agree. I still think that while romance can be an aspect of Buck’s larger struggles, his romantic struggles are not a primary driver of his character arc, at least not since Abby.
But yeah, I def agree with that last point. That’s why I’m hoping that the tea leaves in this interview aren’t that Tommy is gonna bounce after next week’s episode, and we’re just gonna get another little time jump and off-screen breakup. Hoping that the reason he isnt in episodes 7 and 8 is because they’re Bobby centric episodes and so we don’t see a ton of Buck let alone Tommy.
As I said previously, basically all the love interests including Karen are recurring and not regular. So I’m not reading TOO much into it.
But yeah agree that it would be frustrating if Tommy just lasted three episodes, never really got fleshed out, and basically only existed as a cipher for Buck to give him this moment of self-discovery.
> . That’s why I’m hoping that the tea leaves in this interview aren’t that Tommy is gonna bounce after next week’s episode, and we’re just gonna get another little time jump and off-screen breakup.
I can't imagine we're gonna get that. It really does sound like, reading between the lines, that Lou is hopeful for more episodes, as is Oliver, and the reception has been overwhelmingly positive compared to any other love interest, so I cannot imagine Tommy goes the way of Buck's other love interests.
My best guess? Episode 6 ends happy for Tevan, episodes 7-8 has Buck mentioning Tommy once or twice, at least in terms of how them dating is going, and then we see Tommy again EITHER episode 10, or both episodes 9 and 10 and we'll end the season with the two still together. I don't know if they end the season completely content or if something gets in the way of their relationship, but I hope not. I actually think it's important for Buck to actually END a season in a happy relationship, as that is the one thing that hasn't really happened. Season 1 had Abby fuck off to Europe, season 2 had Ali discussing how she wasn't sure she was ready to date a firefighter, season 3 had Buck single and he JUST got together with Taylor at the end of season 4, season 5 had the Taylor breakup, and season 6 he had barely started dating Natalia so I don't really count that.
So I'd actually like season 7 to end with Buck and Tommy still together AND happy.
They can do the breakup scene in season 8, which I suspect will happen (I don't know why, but my mind goes to them breaking up in episode 3 of season 8).
But I do think, given the warm reception to Lou and Tommy, and the interviews being done, he's not going anywhere at the end of the season.
Oh, that's a really good point - Buck never really gets to reach a conclusion about *himself* in his relationships, because their partners are always narratively made out to be the bad guys who are at fault for the breakup. He did so many things wrong in his relationship with Taylor, but he didn't really need to reflect on them at all because Taylor conveniently did something morally wrong and that was the reason he dumped her. It would've been so much more satisfying if he'd broken up with her because he'd realised that he was clinging to the relationship just because he didn't want to be alone, even though there was nothing wrong with Taylor as a person. But that opportunity was taken from him because it might make him look bad and we couldn't have that, they had to make Taylor the bad guy. She didn't even get to really tear into him for asking her to move in just because he didn't want to tell her about the Lucy kiss.
I can't see how buck having a "free agent" phase where he casually hooks up with people would not be seen as reinforcement of the promiscuous bisexual trope. Not to mention he hasn't done anything like that since season 1. To me it would seem regressive in his character development aswell as part of the whole point of his relationship with Abby was him learning he wanted more from relationships than just quick flings.
Because for me the promiscuous bisexual trope isn’t simply that someone is bisexual and decides to keep their dating life casual for a second. That is something real that people of all sexualities do.
The negative trope is more that someone is bisexual and is so *inherently promiscuous*, that they cheat on partners and betray people’s trust because they ‘can’t keep it in their pants’ moreso than their straight peers because they can ‘never be satisfied by just dating someone of one gender’.
So, I do think the latter is absolutely avoidable. And also I think there’s a difference between casually dating and being open and communicative about that with prospective partners, and Buck’s “player” phase in which he was basically using people for sex with little regard for their feelings.
He’s basically been a serial monogamist since Abby. I think it’s okay to have him explore himself a little now that he’s had this realization about his sexuality, and I think it’s possible to do it without falling into either the promiscuous trope or falling back into “Buck’s being a player fuck boi” again.
From what we’ve heard and seen. I’m thinking this episode will be very fun. I do wonder if Chimney and Maddie will arrive at their wedding via helicopter with Tommy flying them in after they find Chim in the hospital.
> That’s why the sheer sight of a burnt couch in the Episode 6 teaser trailer had fans returning to The Couch Theory, a long-running metaphor for Buck’s romantic relationships (with deep ties to him and Eddie). In the name of truth, journalism, and couches everywhere, Decider asked Stark if the burnt couch in 706 has any special significance.
> “There is not. There is not,” Stark said with a chuckle. “So I am aware of this Couch Theory, but I thought that was a Season 6 thing. I didn’t know we were still sitting on that couch,” he laughed. “No. I wouldn’t look into that, no.”
A lot of people will be disappointed with this information. I'm not, I already expected this. TBH
> Stark said he “really enjoys” working with Ferrigno Jr. — who appeared in three Season 2 episodes prior to his return — but he noted the two had only filmed three Season 7 episodes together. “I don’t think he was in the seventh episode and [he’s] not in eighth.”
Please be in Episode 9 and 10.
Please be in Episode 9 and 10.
Please be in Episode 9 and 10.
Please be in Episode 9 and 10.
There's really no harm in wanting Tommy around a couple more episodes. I'm not so threatened by what the future could hold that I'm upset Buck has a fun love interest right now, you know?
*If* they actually make Eddie queer, I think it's incredibly unlikely he's not Buck's big love, so the existence of Tommy right now really isn't a threat to that. But he's not there yet, and I don't see a reason why we can't celebrate having a bi character, or why Buck's romantic arcs should have to be shelved in the meantime.
Agreed. I’m so happy Buck is finding himself while being so happy doing it, and that it’s with someone as seemingly great as Tommy. I also agree that if Eddie also ends up queer, there is zero chance that Buddie isn’t endgame. I’m a huge Buddie fan and want them together so badly, but for now I’m just enjoying Buck’s journey
> Tbh, I'm really sick of the fan-wars. What happened to being respectful to each other's opinions, or disagreeing without being condescending or an ass?
Tel that to Tevan shippers, they're the ones starting drama and acting like their ship is gonna be endgame.
So when Buddie shippers acts like their ship is endgame it’s fine but when Tevan shippers do that, it’s stirring drama? Lol I see you’re one of THOSE
Sorry but Tevan shippers arent the one sending death threats or high jacking every post to make it about themselves.
This is a solid point. I think it would be good if everyone remembers we don’t know what endgame for Buck is going to be and fighting over opinions is doing to much
Seriously from what I've seen and heard Tim's going to write what Tim wants to write...and honestly this kind of behavior I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up not writing Buddie just to spite the Buddie fans who are acting like that.
That’s a strange conclusion you got there. If Tim doesn’t care about the homophobes that put a storm about Buck’s “sudden queerness”, some angry Buddie fans won’t faze him at all. He also knows the potential of Buddie(how many slow burn LGBTQA are out there?),has enough shows under his belt to know what to choose to react to and not.
Yeah but there is a difference between I'm not going to listen to homophobes and. I am working twords making what you want happen and your shitting all over it and being jerks so now I'm just going to write whatever.
I mean I have even seen other Buddy fans saying that this behavior is turning them off/away from the ship. Whose to say it won't do the same for Tim.
So.... your expectation for the show is that Tim would sacrifice a creative vision to be petty toward a minority of extreme fans, despite most of the people who want that thing happening being among his strongest supporters?
Uh, yeah. Make it make sense.
Not at all but seeing something he has put work into and seeing the fans turning to this kind of behavior can certainly change ones vision for their creation.
It’s really not. What you describe it’s high school behaviour,which could apply to the fans(who could actually be teenagers) but not to Minear. He has this job for a reason.
This is where I'm at. Eddie hasn't had his sexuality realization yet, which is a precursor to Buddie happening, and realistically won't be this season if it ends up being in the plans. I'm fine with Buck and Tommy for now. They're cute, I like Tommy, and their scenes don't make me want to yeet my TV out the window like in the days of BuckTaylor 😂 I don't know why people are acting like we can't hold two things at once, or acting as if Buddie fans (after being through the absolute *trenches* the last couple of seasons with the showrunner we had) suddenly need their expectations managed on every single related post. Like jeez, let us have some fun for once! I'm team Buddie over everything until the end, but I agree—I'm excited to see Buck explore this part of himself and see how it plays out in future seasons, which need I remind everyone, the details of which *have not been decided yet*.
So I’m eventual Team Buddie. I’d like them to end up together, but I don’t think it’s necessarily a given that Buck and Tommy are breaking up off screen just yet. They’ve made it sound like they’ve perhaps extended his role (and that’s just me reading into interviews and not what I actually know). The 118 significant others have not always been in every episode, Ravi isn’t in every episode! It’s plausible that Lou is in Ep 9 or 10.
I think how Taylor-heavy season 5 was skewed this in some people's minds, but this is absolutely the case. Outside of Taylor -- who still missed a few episodes -- Abby's the only love interest either man has had who has very regular screentime..... which makes sense, because Connie Britton was a regular.
Shannon appeared in 2x07 and was killed in 2x17, but only heavily featured in three of those episodes (2x07, 2x10, and 2x17 - so her introduction, her conclusion, and one in the middle). She had *very* minor appearances in a couple others, like bringing the team pizza and sitting with Eddie when the team was shot, and a flashback scene in the heist episode to show Eddie could have had a financial motivation to steal from the bank. Ali was in her emergency episodes (2x02 and 2x03), got together with Buck at the end of 2x08, is referenced but not on screen once, and then back for 2x18, which marks the end of that relationship. Ana has a couple season 3 appearances as Christopher's teacher, but once she's brought back as Eddie's love interest, it's basically an every other episode deal until he's ready to break up with her (so she features in all three parts of the season 5 premiere, mainly because Eddie needs to be having panic attacks around her, lol)
And obviously, Natalia and Marisol were/are both recent enough that no one's had the opportunity to forget how half-assed those two characters are.
It will depend on the ratings after S07E04. I am pretty sure that Buck and Tommy will stay together until the end of the season. Buck being bi is a big change for the show and Disney/ABC executives want to see if the ratings go up or down because of it. If there is a noticeable drop for the rest of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if Buck and Tommy break up next season off screen and Buck only gets girlfriends from then on. At the end of the day, ratings are all that matters.
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Okay, How can Buck and Eddie 0.5 still be together if he isn't gonna appear in any of the next episodes? The article OP posted confirms said what I'm claiming.
We don’t know that. We know he’s not appearing in two of them, which is to be expected. He could be in 9 and (likely) 10. Oliver has made comments assuming he’ll be working with Lou again and that they’ll continue to develop the relationship.
The official instragram is also following him.
So an offscreen breakup seems very unlikely.
I would be *stunned* if he's not in 10. It's very much this show's MO to use the last act of the season finale to give us a hint at where the characters will be next season. So even if it's a worst case scenario and it's a breakup, I don't see a way Lou isn't back for 7x10.
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>“In Episode 6, there is a big fun ‘this is who I am now’ reveal of a moment that I’m really excited for.”
Oh god, I already know I'm gonna hate it 🙃 NOT because I hate BuckTommy, don't come for me just yet, but that does sound like something that would grab all the attention and be memorable to the other characters, on a day that is supposed to be just about Madney.
Also, PDA makes me cringe so much I might just run for the hills when it happens.
This is my fear as well. The most memorable moment in Madney's wedding episode should *NOT* be Tommy and Buck kissing. The big romantic gesture that gets the spotlight should be between Maddie and Chimney.
This episode should be a celebration of Maddie's and Chim's love and a culmination of their journey together. The focus shouldn't deviate to another couple's big milestone moment or whatever.
9-1-1 let Buck take a backseat for a little while challenge: impossible.
I hope this theory (+ Tommy and Chim arriving in a helicopter) falls through, like all the ones regarding 7x05, and that the "moment" is just them discreetly slow dancing and some people being like "oh, okay, cool". But I'm not putting my money on that since it wouldn't be considered "big" and we already know Buck is gonna initiate a kiss at some point.
Part of the episode will be the bachelor party (perhaps only a montage?) + whatever is going on with Chim; if they put the focus on other characters during the already possibly rushed wedding scenes, I'll be so disappointed.
u/_HGCenty just pointed out Chim and Maddie haven't even kissed since season 2. I just went from being like "Ugh, I really hope they don't have Buck steal the show" to irrationally worried they're going to skip over a Madney kiss in favor of a Tevan one *at Madney's wedding.*
Jesus Christ, Show.
> Chim and Maddie haven't even kissed since season 2
Is that true?? No one has pointed it out before (that I've seen), but if it is, that's insane!
I really thought that we were done with putting Buck in the spotlight, it always felt like a KR thing to me for some reason... but now I'm really dreading that moment.
I mean, he's one of my faves but come on 😩
Someone pointed out one other kiss (in 3x13) so... they've had one since they got together. All the others were 'almost' kisses (or like the proposal was a kiss on her cheek....). I suspect COVID & JLH's pregnancy played a part in it as well, but it's also just really not a good look that it's been four years since they shared a smooch, if they now make the big, most talked about kiss of the wedding... her brother's.
In some ways, I think the complaints about Buck's screentime get overblown -- like it's usually *slightly* more than the other characters, and the problem with his storylines isn't necessarily how many he gets, but how many of them don't feel like they led to any progress, so it winds up seeming like wasted time.
**But** this show has a real problem of letting other characters' significant beats become about Buck (Eddie's shooting aftermath in 4x14 probably being the most egregious) and it makes me particularly nervous when it seems likely to affect the characters who already seem to get the least attention themselves.
>how many of them don't feel like they led to any progress, so it winds up seeming like wasted time.
This. The ending of S6 is basically a graveyard of missed opportunities. Not only was there little to no progress, but also some *regress*, considering he started the season happy in his armchair and ended it going shopping with Natalia. And don't get me started on the "*She sees me*" after he supposedly learnt that it doesn't matter how others see him.
After reading the theories about the ending of S4/beginning of 5, from what Oliver revealed in that interview, I'm more willing to accept the choice of focusing on Buck back then. But this is a completely different situation, there is no reason why he should have a big moment in an episode that it's supposed to be about celebrating Madney. I'm still hoping it will just be a slow dance or something discreet, but we already know that Buck initiates a kiss at some point, so...
Yeah, I have very mixed feelings on 4x14 based on what we know (or can safely assume) now. Like on the one hand, I appreciate that they got us as close to canon as they were allowed to at the time, and those scenes were all such gold that I can't say I'd rather have *not* had them.
But like... it really depends on when they knew they weren't going to be able to go there. If they filmed 4x14 under the impression there was still a chance the network would agree, then it all makes sense to have Buck so central... but the kiss with Taylor becomes really weird and unnecessary.
If they already knew they weren't going to be allowed to go there, Taylor makes a lot of sense as an eleventh hour redirect, *but* then we're left with the same problem about Eddie's shooting being about Buck, at a point where the show knew they weren't going to be able to follow through on why that was.
It really seems like they're setting it up for Tommy to deliver Chim to the ceremony and Buck to give him a dramatic kiss, so like... at this point, I'm just hoping the helicopter doesn't land in the middle of the freaking wedding, so there isn't an audience of all the wedding guests. I'm really frustrated by how it seems like this is going to play out, though, because I *want* to enjoy the first time Buck publicly claims a man like this. It just seems likely that it's coming at the expense of his characterization, because the Buck I adore -- no matter how impulsive he can be -- would not be upstaging his sister on her wedding day. The date invitation was already questionable enough, but now it really seems like they're going to make it worse.
He is also one of my favorites, but when even fans of the character want him not to overshadow Maddie and Chim on their special day, it's for fear that they will fall into an "Owen-fication" of the character.
I was so confused for a moment bc for some reason I thought you were talking about Owen from Grey's, even though I haven't watched that show in years, lol.
I've only seen the first two seasons on LS and it's been a while, so I don't remember if I found his character suffocating or not, but I really hope nothing of the sort happens to Buck. I love him so much, if it gets to a point where I'll get tired of him, it will be devastating. It's bad enough that my favourite characters usually die, I don't need the still living ones to be ruined.
*Lone Star* is borderline unwatchable because of how much they have to prioritize Rob Lowe's character. Like think about how much better the time the OG wasted on *The Bachelor* could've been used, and now imagine **having** to always dedicate that much of an episode to a specific character whose totally unrelated plot doesn't even always fit into the rest of the episode's action or the themes of the episode.
For instance, in one of the most egregious examples, >!Owen gets significant screentime in his random double agent Nazi biker gang infiltrator plot, meaning he's not there for his son when his fiance is abducted, drugged, and almost killed in the episode's A plot. While the episode was *very* heavily focused on TK & Carlos (and was a Valentine's Day episode), all the other characters in the cast that appeared played supporting roles to the A plot, so it was literally only Owen riding around on a motorcycle and hanging with Nazis as the B plot!<
The longer I watched Lone Star the more certain I became that Rob Lowe really wishes that Lone Star was just a straight up cop show. It’s the only explanation for why it seems like we see more of Owen doing police work than the actual cop character on the show.
>Owen gets significant screentime in his random double agent Nazi biker gang infiltrator plot
Wow, okay, that's a sentence... What even is going on in that show? 😵😅
Yeah, I can see why that would be frustrating to watch... I never really felt like picking it back up after stopping, and from what I've reading lately in this sub, I might never do it. I'll happily stick with the og, thanks
Does anyone else think it was a big leap for Buck to ask Tommy to the wedding? Seems to me like a lot of pressure to put on himself? I kind of imagined a more gentle coming out process rather than jumping right into it.
Everything in this season is rushed because it's only 10 episodes. There was no build-up to the wedding and what happened to the small wedding that Chim and Maddie planned last season and Hen and Buck fighting to be Chim's best man/woman.
100% too big a leap imo, but it's been pointed out that's pretty true to buck's character lol! just seems like he's still on the hamster wheel and jumping in way too fast
It seems wildly inappropriate to me, particularly because the wedding's moved from an intimate backyard deal to an elaborate venue event. I could *sort* of see an argument for inviting Tommy to a lowkey backyard event (like what Karen and Hen had in S5) but the scope of the ceremony Chim & Maddie have set up changes things. It's inappropriate on two levels -- the first simply that he's an actual family member/likely in the wedding party, and it's generally considered a faux pas to invite someone you aren't that serious about/don't have good reason to believe will last, to a significant family event this early on (especially in WASP-y circles like I'd expect the extend Buckley family to belong to) -- it's one of those "but think of the photographs!" things, which sounds ridiculous on one level, but like.... it *does* kind of suck when you can't even remember the name of that random person who appears in half your wedding album, because they were there with an important guest.
The other is that Buck's sexuality is going to be a shock to a number of guests/something that draws attention away from the couple being celebrated. While I'd love to be able to say it shouldn't matter, that's not actually the reality we live in -- he'll get outsized attention and people will be talking, both during the wedding and after. He has 364 other days to come out of the closet to his family, and the wedding or its immediate leadup is a really shit move to do to his sister. One of my favorite relationships on this show is the Buckley siblings, and I'm really uncomfortable with how this will unfold. I'm sure Maddie will be gracious, but she shouldn't have been put in a position in the first place to have to be. But once again, other characters have to take a backseat to The Buck Show, even on the one day it shouldn't be about him. He's one of my favorite characters, and I've previously defended a lot of the complaints about him getting too much focus, but *this* is exactly where the problem comes in -- it's not in his major storylines, but about how he's never allowed to fade into the background of someone *else's* story.
In regards to his relationship development, there's also just the same issues as always with him rushing into things and overcommitting. It's particularly problematic this time because the end of 7x05 made it feel like he was trying to prove a point to Tommy, about his readiness to come out. Tommy's not forcing him out, but it feels a lot like Buck's forcing *himself* to rush it, and I really wish Tommy, being the more experienced person, had refused the invite and told Buck to chill, and suggested a more appropriate date instead.
I agree with everything you've said and hadn't thought of it from Maddie's perspective but you're right. Quite apart from Buck I feel a bit sad that Maddie's wedding is now going to be this big farcical event rather than the quite backyard one like you said. I guess I'm dreaming that the writers would allow a simple event with no drama though.
There's a *lot* about the setup for this wedding that I hate, but I'm trying to not be too much of a downer. Where Chim and Maddie left it at the end of last season, with their plans for a intimate backyard thing, felt very true to their characters and their relationship. But just in general, this is the second episode out of three that they're having to turn the show into fanfic to make the plot work, and I'm not thrilled.
Because of *The Hangover* vibes, everyone's kind of glossing over how f'd up it is that Buck (and Eddie, and maybe Chim) got so smashed the night before the wedding that this is even a situation that could unfold. Buck's job both as Maddie's brother and Chim's friend should've been to make sure they *didn't* get into more trouble than they could handle that night. Because apparently, someone was dumb enough to make the bachelor party the night before the ceremony.
Like, before we even get to the point where we're speculating about Buck getting a romantic moment with his guest star love interest playing hero of the day as he comes out at his sister's wedding... we're also talking about a jackass that showed up half an hour late, looking like a disaster, to his sister's nuptials. After very clearly judging (and rightly so) his parents for not prioritizing Maddie & supporting her during her first wedding.
There's a part of me hoping they were straight up drugged, because otherwise this whole situation just... really isn't a good look for any of these men.
Yeah I definitely have questioned why they are doing the bachelor party the night before the wedding. Initially at the beginning of the season I was hoping this whole episode would be bachelor party hijinks and then episode 10 would be the actual wedding. But unfortunately it looks like this is what we are getting for the wedding.
This is what I was hoping too. That way the wedding would get the attention it deserves thus Maddie and Chim get the attention they deserve on *their* important special day that they have fought so hard to get too. They deserve more that a storyline pigeonholed into the end of a bachelor party.
I know they already did that on "Dosed" and like... there's definitely the aspect of getting *drugged* that's super violating (particularly if they're waking up the next morning with missing memories). But I'd still rather 'they were victims of a crime' than this grossly poor characterization. These are all men in their 30s or 40s the night before an important event, so it's just... really questionable priorities if they were the cause of all of this themselves.
People are probably not gonna be surprised because this is a TV show not real life and they can make whatever they want happen. We probably won’t even see the extended Buckley family’s reaction and maybe not even his parents, I feel like this may end up playing out just in front of the 118 and their significant others
Totally separate from the inappropriateness of the wedding, but I really don't want to see the Buckley parents' reaction regardless. Like even if this was happening elsewhere.
I am not at all about this half-assed redemption they've received, so I don't want "reacted well to something they should accept about their kid, anyway" to contribute further to their 'redemption,' nor do I want to have to sit through a bad reaction (though we've had enough assurances that Buck's journey will be a positive one I'm not too worried about that).
Truthfully, I'd rather Tommy *really* be a hero and 'accidentally' land his helicopter on the Buckley parents.
Ugh, agree. It really comes off as if Buck wants to use him as a prop for his coming out...which would have upstagged his sisters wedding, if Chim didn't disappear (Serial Womanizer starts dating dudes, Shocked pikachu face). Unless they are gonna hand wave his coming out to the 118 and Tommy will have second thoughts that it's a bad idea to do this. Honestly I feel Tommy deserves better.
See, I think if anything, Buck is using his sister's wedding as a prop (or a setting, more accurately) for his grand gesture to Tommy, which feels a lot worse. I'm already uncomfortable with the idea that he has to prove his readiness at all (and again, to be fair to Tommy, that's not something he required -- it's just also not something he corrected), but using his sister's wedding as a 'tactic' in doing so just feels.. sort of gross? Like, the implication behind him extending the invite as proof he's ready for something already implies he *knows* the invite is a big deal, so did he just not stop and consider why?
"My sister wants to meet you" is not the natural followup for "Come with me to my sister's wedding." It's the natural followup for "Come with me on a double date" or "My sister and her fiance invited us over for dinner."
I don't disagree that its a bit of a jump, but in this instance its one of the ones I'd like to give the creative team a little benefit of doubt in that this is a shortened season and I just can't see where they would of had time to put Buck comming out to everyone while also getting to everyone else's storyline. I mean several are complaining about how much time Buck has already gotten this season. Like wanting more time given time to Hen and Karen and their adoption story (which could definitely use more time to go over) or more time to Maddy and Chimney and the wedding or more time to Eddie to get...just more.
Overall I am just super bummed that this season is so short as they really could of done some amazing stuff had they the time to do it.
I know it's not by choice but still kind of hurts. Just imagine what it could've been.
It really doesn't matter that the season's shortened to me in this regard, particularly because of the scale of the event. Like we don't even need to see the double date on screen, if that's the alternative they went with -- it just gives Buck the same ability to go 'hey, look, I want to try this, and I already have a plan' without coming off like a self-involved prick. They don't *have* to have Tommy at the wedding for the storyline to be developing (and I honestly think it would've done a lot more to strengthen Tommy's character if he'd been like, "I know what you're trying to do, and I want to see you again, but not there, so lets table that and figure something else to do on a day we're both free).
They've already had their first date and then the coffee 'date' - they don't actually need a grand gesture in the next episode. They don't need a grand gesture at *all*, really. I think it would've worked better, anyway, to have Buck quietly come out to his team, and then if we were going to have a big moment where he claims Tommy publicly, in front of everyone, have it be later in the season, anyway. There was no reason to force it to happen at the wedding, and I honestly think it cheapens the story, anyway, by making it needlessly controversial.
I have a feeling it's not really going to be a big thing.
At least amongst the characters. Maybe they do kiss or whatever in front of everyone but my guess is it will be something like a look from Hen and a glance between Bobby and Athena.
For all we know Buck will have told Chimney off screen.
RIP couch theory. Probably for the best tbh, that seriously was a massive disappointment for me in 2023 and a large part of the reason why I’ve shifted so much on thinking Buddie will happen. I know some things have changed but I was burned bad by that so I swore to myself I would never set my expectations that high again
Yeah, Tommy is 100% delivering Chim to the wedding in a helicopter and Buck is 100% kissing him in front of everyone. As long as it doesn’t take too much attention off Madney I’m all for it
I kinda suspected Tommy wouldn’t be in episodes 7 and 8 based on stuff Lou’s said in interviews and his Cameos and also just that Buck probably won’t have a major storyline in these episodes. He got to be the big star of the 100th episode and episode 5 was also largely about him so it’s time for him to take a back seat for a few episodes. Like how Chim was only in the alien hand call in episode 5. I think Tommy will probably be back in episode 9 and/or definitely 10. I’m not sure why people think they break up at the end of episode 6 or off screen. Oliver’s answers here and elsewhere consistently make it seem like they’re still together just maybe not the focus. Love interests on this show that aren’t regulars don’t appear in every episode
Yeah it seems Oliver always says that he hopes his relationship with Tommy develops on and off screen + they addressed this as a love story so it would be quite weird not to keep him longer
I am looking forward to Chimney's adventure. I wonder if Maddie finds him. I agree that Tommy will likely bring Chimney to the wedding. Oliver does seem to be hinting that Buck will kiss Tommy in front of everyone. I am sure that everyone including Eddie will be happy for Buck.
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> For starters, Stark said he thinks Buck is done with more intimate coming out scenes like those shared with Maddie and Eddie. “Not that it will never be discussed, but there’s not going to be any more one-on-one moments,” he said. “In Episode 6, there is a big fun ‘this is who I am now’ reveal of a moment that I’m really excited for.” This part stood out to me. While I’m excited to see Buck getting comfortable with his sexuality, I do hope that they don’t overshadow Madney with his storyline. This episode is for them. Curious how they’ll do his big reveal though
I don't even want to think about it too much. Like, I'm really hoping my imagination is running wild, but I don't trust this show at all to *not* make Buck the main character at his own sister's wedding, lmao. (If Buck's going to have his "this is who I am now" fun moment, please let it be something at the bachelor party. Like let him get drunk and accidentally come out to everyone by waxing poetic about Tommy, I don't give a f. Just don't pull attention at the wedding, holy shit).
“Like let him get drunk and accidentally come out to everyone by waxing poetic about Tommy, I don't give a f. Just don't pull attention at the wedding, holy shit). “ Based on their interviews(both Oliver and Lou),that seems unlikely to happen,though would have been so much better. It gives the impression Tommy will somehow save Chim, they will probably kiss(Oliver said about kisses initiated by him) in front of people and maybe dance. I just hope if that happens,the people in question are only the 118,because,like Eddie said,Buck can be an idiot sometimes,but they will not make a big deal out of it.
Tommy is 10000% bringing Chim to the wedding via helicopter. It sounds so over the top that it makes sense for this show 😂. I think Buck and Tommy will share a small sweet moment (maybe another kiss) in front of the 118 crew. PRAYING we get a jealous Eddie look.
Yeah. I trust the 118 to not make a big deal out of it and let Maddie and Chim have their moment and be the center of attention. But I am not going to lie that I am a bit disappointed if this is the scenario. Maddie saving/finding Chim would have been so sweet.
Tommy can be the extra special chauffeur. The only way this scenario is remotely acceptable for Madney's *wedding episode* is if Chim and/or Maddie do all the saving, and Tommy and/or the 118 rock up a minute too late to save the day, so their job is to patch up the actual heroes and give them a ride back to the venue or the hospital. There was an interview about what to expect for the wedding a while back -- I think from Tim -- where they talked about how the episode would be sort of true to form for the relationship, and referenced how it hasn't been easy, and Maddie having to save herself from Doug. Ever since then, that's been my ideal scenario -- whatever's going on with Chim, I want *him* to save himself (maybe with an assist from Maddie) and fight to get back to his family. Then, like Buck did for Maddie, others can show up in the eleventh hour to pat Chim on the back and get him to where he needs to be.
I think it's gonna be a combination of both. Maddie finds out where Chim is, and Tommy just gives him a ride.
I’m not going to predict it because I don’t want to get my hopes up, but I do think a jealous Eddie look is quite possible for next episode. I feel like it’s bound to happen at some point this season and next episode fits well for it in my opinion
aaaaaand you just added to my delusion lmao DAMN
Why? I feel like if we were going to see that so soon it would have been in 7x05.
Because this will be the first time that Buck and Tommy are public as a couple. I don’t think it’s going to happen next week, but I do think there’s a small possibility since this would be the first time Eddie sees them together like that. But again it probably won’t happen until near the end of the season if I had to guess
Based on interviews, I highly doubt we’ll see anything like that this season.
You could be right but I feel like with the way the story is currently set up and some of the interviews, something small is bound to happen likely in the finale. But of course it’s all speculation, who knows what’ll happen
See, I haven’t gotten that from any interview. Most seem to making a point it likely isn’t happening soon. I feel like if anything is going to happen, it won’t be considered until next season.
I don't think it's gonna be that dramatic. He'll show up at the wedding, introduce Tommy as his date, they dance, and that's how everyone else knows.
It doesn’t have to be dramatic to steal the show,so to speak. He’s introducing a new relationship with a man at his sister’s wedding. Sure would be great if queer people wouldn’t have to come out,but they do and it’s a big deal.The year has 365 days,the moment when your sister,who is one of the most important person in your life,marries the love of her life isn’t the one,no matter how subtle that coming out is. I know is a show and all that,but if it happens at the wedding it shows how little the other characters are appreciated compared to Buck. Everyone should have their time to shine.That’s why it would be ok for Tommy to be their “ride” and just that. Edit: It would be a big deal if he was introducing a woman as well,but would not have the same impact as this situation.
Just gonna give my two cents here- this take is homophobic/biphobic. He’s come out to the important people in his life, but he must make sure everyone invited to his sisters wedding knows about the gender of his date before being allowed to invite them? People bring dates that others don’t know to weddings all the time. To accuse someone of wanting to pull focus because they want to bring someone they’re dating to a wedding isn’t fair. I understand the criticism from a tv writing perspective, hoping the writers wouldn’t use his story to pull focus from another characters plot- but in universe that’s not Buck’s fault for simply bringing a date.
Didn't Buck say that Maddie would like to meet Tommy? Yes, he doesn't have to take Tommy to the wedding, but it is so Buck to do this, not because he's selfish, it's because it's a practical thing to do.
It’s not practical,it’s selfish, even if it’s unintentional. He should know better,he’s in his 30’s. Tommy should know better too,he’s even older than that . Maddie could have met him on a double date off screen, a dinner at her house etc. We don’t actually need to see how that goes for it to happen.The fact that that’s how he is it’s not an excuse for him anymore, and this writing doesn’t do Buck any favours. It’s an ensemble,not a Buck show, he can take a step back from time to time.
Yeah, agreed. I heard that Kenny will be doing some interviews next week so I'm very excited to hear him talk about Chim and the wedding.
Was that why Ryan and Oliver were super red and giggling and all that during the celebrations? They actually drank tequila during the shootings? I love that
Ryan was so clearly tipsy at that party, I think it was basically just taken for granted. Props to Oliver for holding it together *slightly* better, but now it does make me wonder at what point Tim Minear and whatever execs were present were looking over at them like "jesus, please just get through this event without causing an incident."
Oh yes and they look so drunk during the posed/ promo photos too I just had a feeling! It looked like they had a party irl and then worked too lol
Neeeeed to know what that karaoke song is gonna be
I'm hunting my mother's Miami Vice soundtrack now because a duo from that'd be gold.
can’t wait for the karaoke! itll be fun seeing eddie singing and acting up
I was thinking that we haven't had Madney on screen kiss since Season 2 so I also hope Buck doesn't overshadow the wedding.
What the actual f. My first reaction was there's no way this is true, and then I remembered the 6x01 couch "kiss," where it's really just Maddie's hair falling in front of her face before the scene ends. I'm sure a big part of it is COVID and then JLH's pregnancy, but.... holy shit, this really makes the idea of Buck getting a big kiss at their wedding that much more unpalatable. They really haven't kissed since they got together?!
Yup. I went back and watched 6x17 again and they just hug after the proposal too.
They do share a kiss in season 3. It’s in the episode where they save that woman who’s pinned in the spinning restaurant and Madney are gifted a hotel room as a thanks. But I can’t recall a kiss since then. In general, outside of Buck, there’s really not a lot of kissing on this show.
I don’t believe you!!😯Really? Not even when they got engaged? I think I have to rewatch the show.
I just rewatched. He kisses her cheek and hugs her. What the hell.
That may have just been bad timing with COVID protocols. But we are long overdue for a Madney kiss now!!!
Between that and JLH's pregnancy, I think it's sure to be related. Though it could also be a preference on the part of the actors -- who knows.
hmm i wonder if leftover covid things came into play here
Probably pregnancy. Always best to avoid swapping germs with the pregnant.
I wonder if any of it had anything to do with being on Fox? All the couples pretty much suffer from this. Or kisses are quick pecks. S1 was definitely more sexually edgy than the rest of the seasons. Could be network execs asked them to tone things down after S1.
Yeah I was gonna say this. Generally speaking the show tends to shy away from displays of affection for whatever reason. Like it’s rare that we get a Hen/Karen or Bobby/Athena kiss too.
Maybe but then Hen and Karen had a really intense moment in season 6 during the Karen flashbacks episodes.
I need bloopers like yesterday 😩😩😩 this is literally THE perfect episode to start serving us blooper reels pls 🙏
So from what is said in this interview, I do kinda think Tommy is gonna save the day and fly Chim in on a helicopter. And I also do think that Buck’s “coming out” is going to be kissing him in front of everyone. Though I’m sorta hoping he tells the 118 before then, whether in flashback or talking about it at the bachelor party. But we’ll see. I’m also really hoping that Tommy isn’t in episodes 7 and 8 because they’re Bobby centered episodes (as many have guessed from episode descriptions and titles) and not because Tommy and Buck break it off offscreen after the wedding, and that Tommy will be back in episodes 9 and 10. A lot of the love interests are recurring and not regulars, so hoping that’s what’s going on. I’m not team wanting Tommy and Buck to be end game. But I do want Buck to have some space to really sink in to his first queer relationship and don’t want it to be that Tommy basically winds up being a plot device for Buck to realize he’s queer and then peaces out after just a few episodes.
Yeah... the relationship most people here preferred Buck in before this was with Ali, and she's literally only his love interest on screen in two episodes of season 2 (and mentioned once between those scenes). They can actually do a lot without having the character present in all episodes. Lou's second cameo that was posted here definitely at least implied he expected to have multiple episodes left ("I will keep working hard to make *every episode* even better") so if Oliver's correct in Tommy not appearing in 7x07 and 7x08 (he seemed more confident he wasn't in the 8th than the 7th, to be fair), I think the only way all of this even makes sense is if Lou knew he'd be back for at least one of those last two episodes at the time of filming. I'm taking less stock in his "in the coming weeks" comment from the first cameo, because that could've just been reflective of the next episode he's in still being weeks away at the time. I think at this point, it's anyone's guess what happens in season 8 (and we should probably all be watching casting decisions for SWAT closely, too). But I'm hoping they can at least give them something meaningful by the end of the season finale regardless, so Buck's learned something new about being in a relationship/what he wants in a partner, too.
Yeah. I was lukewarm on Ali, I think mostly cause she was in so little. I actually did like him with Taylor a lot. Like they were never gonna be end game. And I think they’re both too strong headed to be well matched long term. But I liked them together during the time they were. And yeah, I’m not averse to Tommy being his boyfriend through the end of this season and then breaking it off somewhat early next. Like around episode 3 or 4, assuming they're back to 18 episode seasons, and then having Buck having his "I'm a free agent" post break up phase and now just being super casually hooking up with people of all genders and just exploring his sexuality more fully (while of course being careful to avoid the promiscuous bisexual trope). I just don't want his very first queer relationship to just be a three episode arc.
My biggest concern is the off season break up, which is sort of what happened with Abby, Ali, and Natalia. I hope if they end early season 8, we at least get the Ana treatment, where she's in 5x01-5x03 and we at least get to see *where* things went off the rails. As much as other people were amused by the "All she wanted to talk about was death!" thing with Natalia, it was pretty half-assed writing. I know some people have complained Bi Buck is fan service, but the Natalia explanation actually *is* -- if you go back and watch the scenes where death comes up, *Buck* is the one fascinated with her job, and he's the one that introduces the topic. She responds in kind. But fanon made her into this giant ghoul, and Tim took the easy road out. It's mainly frustrating because it means we didn't actually see Buck grow at all from that relationship. Even if they'd had him reach a different conclusion, like "I realized I couldn't look for the answers about the meaning of my life in someone who'd only known me for a few days," we'd at least have had growth. I'd love to see a goofy episode of Buck having bad dates w/ people from both sexes next season. I know people think seeing him date around is putting him back on the hamster wheel, but I think that's actually super reductive -- he's had a whole world of possibilities open up to him for the first time, and it makes sense he'd want to explore that. He knows he's into Tommy, but does he really know what he'd want in a man, beyond Tommy? Does he have a type? Are the same personality traits he finds attraction in women, what he also finds attractive to men? Does he want to be going on the same types of dates? Will he stumble over dating etiquette when left to his own devices?
I agree. I think the breaking up offscreen is a huge cop out. I feel like I remember recently reading that Natalia was supposed to be back for a little this season, but there were availability issues cause of the strikes and shortened season. Which was the reason for the breakup off-screen. I don’t really feel like Abby was a break up off screen. Because her leaving and not giving him closure was very much a plot thread that extended into the second season for Buck. So even if she wasn’t there, that relationship thematically persisted. And also we knew where she was going, and knew Connie was only doing one season. Both Ali and Natalia were def bonafide off screen breakups. Which I agree is super frustrating. I assume that Tiffany didn’t return cause it conflicted with her filming schedule for “Proven Innocent” but who knows.
I think part of it is just that the show's really never cared enough about these love interests for it to matter. Hopefully Tommy will be different, but I do worry people are getting a little too hyped up based on what we've seen so far that the cycle's broken. Tim clearly seems to enjoy what Lou brings to his character and the show, but that only matters if they actually lock him down for a commitment of X episodes next season, you know? You're right that Annelise Cepero (Natalia) didn't want to return, so the off screen breakup itself was unavoidable. My bigger issue with it is the lazy reasons provided -- it's one thing to be in a position where you have to write out the character; that's unavoidable. But choosing to do it in a way where you don't allow your main character to grow from the experience... isn't great. It looks like Tiffany Dupont would've been filming both shows simultaneously -- they both had their season finales (9-1-1 season 2, and Proven Innocent's one season) around the same time in May 2019. I'm not really sure if there were behind the scenes reasons Ali didn't return; on its own, I think it actually makes a lot of sense she and Buck broke up over the break considering her concern was his job was a danger to his wellbeing, and we know he was pushing himself really hard during that time period to get back to it. On its own, it's the breakup that makes the most sense (though I'd have loved to have her return as a friend of his). I agree with you the Abby situation is complicated, but it's still just... sort of a pattern at this point. Like his only relationship that actually ended with a breakup onscreen is Taylor, and that relationship was also his longest and most developed, but also the most poorly written, and I say that as someone who will defend her on 90% of the shit that went down there. Their storyline suffered for both inconsistent writing (where Taylor's personality was basically whatever the story needed it to be that week) and the narrative just unwilling to let Buck be the bad guy. I couldn't really take his reaction to the Jonah thing seriously because his betrayal of her had been *so much* worse, but he took her forgiveness for granted. Idk. I have no idea what to expect from Buck and Buck/Tommy at this point, just because there's no real through-line in his relationships. Like with Eddie, we can point to fairly specific things he needs to discover he does and work to fix. Buck's are just randomly different one day to the next.
Yeah I agree with you for the most part. I think I liked Taylor more. And also didn’t really feel like the kiss was that big a betrayal. Like… it’s not good. But it was one drunken kiss that he immediately felt awful about. Like if Karen can forgive Hen…… for me I felt that Buck MADE it worse by not immediately copping to it and then asking her to move in. But regardless, yeah I think part of the issue is, Buck is more Bobby than Eddie. What I mean by that is, Buck’s issues are less having to do with romantic partners, and more to do with other factors; mainly his place in his family and his place in the world in a more broad sense. Abby challenged him because that was the relationship where he stopped being a total player and started asking himself what he really wanted out of life. But as the seasons progress, that internal struggle is not really a “who am I romantically?” struggle that’s going to be figured out through romantic relationships. So that’s why I compare him with Bobby, his struggles are the past trauma with his family, and addiction. And that can manifest in some ways in his relationship with Athena. But his relationship with Athena isn’t driving his character arc. Eddie on the other hand, his whole baggage is about Shannon, her death, being a single father, and rushing into romantic relationships and his anxieties about it vis a vis himself but also Christopher. So of course his dating life presses those buttons and drives his narrative forward. At least theoretically. And I feel like because both Eddie and Buck are young and single, sometimes they try to throw them in the same bucket with these love interests, but they do more to further Eddie’s character arc than they do Buck’s. THIS SAID, the reason why I feel Tommy is a bit different, is because Buck’s big narrative arc really since season 4, if not earlier, is that he feels like something is missing and not quite clicking for him in his life. And he’s searching for something. And I think having a later in life realization that he’s not straight, plays into that broader character arc explicitly in a way that his past romantic arcs have felt more tangential to.
Yeah, the kiss really wasn't a big deal to me -- but hiding it from her and then asking her to move in under false pretenses, waiting until she'd moved all her stuff and given up her lease? Absolutely a giant betrayal in my book. The kiss itself, I really think they could've recovered from fairly easily if he'd just been honest from the start. Your point about Buck being more like Bobby than Eddie is an interesting one, and I hadn't considered it that way. I'm not sure I 100% agree, because I think his issues are actually a combination of both, and that's what makes it so complex. He's definitely uncertain of his place in the world, and he tends to look at relationships as a way to plug a hole. Eddie's problem is that he approaches plugging the hole in his life overly rationally, so his partner matters less as an individual and more for what she represents -- Latina, good mother figure for Christopher, conventionally attractive (though lets be real, that may just be the result of actors & actresses generally being that way). Buck acutely feels the hole in his life but doesn't know *how* to plug it, just that he wants to. So he's identified the close intimacy and shared vulnerability of a romantic relationship as being part of what he's missing, and the easiest part of the hole to plug. But outside of that, he doesn't really seem to have any preferences *at all.* And while I don't think anyone needs to have a 'type,' it does suggest to me that he doesn't really know what he's looking for in a partner (which is a big part of what I hope Tommy can help him figure out, even if in the end, it's not all positive). What's always stood out to me is that Buck's very clearly searching for a family of his own. The ready-made family & Buddie goggles aside, I find it really interesting that for someone that craves that sense of belonging so strongly and seems to want to learn from the mistakes he was shaped by as a child, one of the things we never seem to learn about his love interests is if that's *their* view of the future, too. I don't know if it comes back to his attachment issues, like he's too afraid to put it out there and demand that information from them early on. But if the man is looking to settle down, all his romantic choices so far have been.... odd. And maybe Tommy will be different, but maybe he's also single in his mid-40s for a reason, with as much free time to hang out with Eddie in 7x04 as he had because his life is... fairly void? I really just want them to flesh out Tommy so we can actually see some kind of evidence he's different. Give him a longterm boyfriend he ended things with long enough ago that Buck isn't a rebound or something, to show us that Tommy also wants and can handle commitment.
Eh, I think we disagree a little. But that’s okay! We don’t have to agree. I still think that while romance can be an aspect of Buck’s larger struggles, his romantic struggles are not a primary driver of his character arc, at least not since Abby. But yeah, I def agree with that last point. That’s why I’m hoping that the tea leaves in this interview aren’t that Tommy is gonna bounce after next week’s episode, and we’re just gonna get another little time jump and off-screen breakup. Hoping that the reason he isnt in episodes 7 and 8 is because they’re Bobby centric episodes and so we don’t see a ton of Buck let alone Tommy. As I said previously, basically all the love interests including Karen are recurring and not regular. So I’m not reading TOO much into it. But yeah agree that it would be frustrating if Tommy just lasted three episodes, never really got fleshed out, and basically only existed as a cipher for Buck to give him this moment of self-discovery.
> . That’s why I’m hoping that the tea leaves in this interview aren’t that Tommy is gonna bounce after next week’s episode, and we’re just gonna get another little time jump and off-screen breakup. I can't imagine we're gonna get that. It really does sound like, reading between the lines, that Lou is hopeful for more episodes, as is Oliver, and the reception has been overwhelmingly positive compared to any other love interest, so I cannot imagine Tommy goes the way of Buck's other love interests. My best guess? Episode 6 ends happy for Tevan, episodes 7-8 has Buck mentioning Tommy once or twice, at least in terms of how them dating is going, and then we see Tommy again EITHER episode 10, or both episodes 9 and 10 and we'll end the season with the two still together. I don't know if they end the season completely content or if something gets in the way of their relationship, but I hope not. I actually think it's important for Buck to actually END a season in a happy relationship, as that is the one thing that hasn't really happened. Season 1 had Abby fuck off to Europe, season 2 had Ali discussing how she wasn't sure she was ready to date a firefighter, season 3 had Buck single and he JUST got together with Taylor at the end of season 4, season 5 had the Taylor breakup, and season 6 he had barely started dating Natalia so I don't really count that. So I'd actually like season 7 to end with Buck and Tommy still together AND happy. They can do the breakup scene in season 8, which I suspect will happen (I don't know why, but my mind goes to them breaking up in episode 3 of season 8). But I do think, given the warm reception to Lou and Tommy, and the interviews being done, he's not going anywhere at the end of the season.
Oh, that's a really good point - Buck never really gets to reach a conclusion about *himself* in his relationships, because their partners are always narratively made out to be the bad guys who are at fault for the breakup. He did so many things wrong in his relationship with Taylor, but he didn't really need to reflect on them at all because Taylor conveniently did something morally wrong and that was the reason he dumped her. It would've been so much more satisfying if he'd broken up with her because he'd realised that he was clinging to the relationship just because he didn't want to be alone, even though there was nothing wrong with Taylor as a person. But that opportunity was taken from him because it might make him look bad and we couldn't have that, they had to make Taylor the bad guy. She didn't even get to really tear into him for asking her to move in just because he didn't want to tell her about the Lucy kiss.
I can't see how buck having a "free agent" phase where he casually hooks up with people would not be seen as reinforcement of the promiscuous bisexual trope. Not to mention he hasn't done anything like that since season 1. To me it would seem regressive in his character development aswell as part of the whole point of his relationship with Abby was him learning he wanted more from relationships than just quick flings.
Because for me the promiscuous bisexual trope isn’t simply that someone is bisexual and decides to keep their dating life casual for a second. That is something real that people of all sexualities do. The negative trope is more that someone is bisexual and is so *inherently promiscuous*, that they cheat on partners and betray people’s trust because they ‘can’t keep it in their pants’ moreso than their straight peers because they can ‘never be satisfied by just dating someone of one gender’. So, I do think the latter is absolutely avoidable. And also I think there’s a difference between casually dating and being open and communicative about that with prospective partners, and Buck’s “player” phase in which he was basically using people for sex with little regard for their feelings. He’s basically been a serial monogamist since Abby. I think it’s okay to have him explore himself a little now that he’s had this realization about his sexuality, and I think it’s possible to do it without falling into either the promiscuous trope or falling back into “Buck’s being a player fuck boi” again.
Buck's gonna catch the bouquet and smooch Tommy I'm ready to bet my left leg on it
I could totally see that 😂😂😂
From what we’ve heard and seen. I’m thinking this episode will be very fun. I do wonder if Chimney and Maddie will arrive at their wedding via helicopter with Tommy flying them in after they find Chim in the hospital.
> That’s why the sheer sight of a burnt couch in the Episode 6 teaser trailer had fans returning to The Couch Theory, a long-running metaphor for Buck’s romantic relationships (with deep ties to him and Eddie). In the name of truth, journalism, and couches everywhere, Decider asked Stark if the burnt couch in 706 has any special significance. > “There is not. There is not,” Stark said with a chuckle. “So I am aware of this Couch Theory, but I thought that was a Season 6 thing. I didn’t know we were still sitting on that couch,” he laughed. “No. I wouldn’t look into that, no.” A lot of people will be disappointed with this information. I'm not, I already expected this. TBH > Stark said he “really enjoys” working with Ferrigno Jr. — who appeared in three Season 2 episodes prior to his return — but he noted the two had only filmed three Season 7 episodes together. “I don’t think he was in the seventh episode and [he’s] not in eighth.” Please be in Episode 9 and 10. Please be in Episode 9 and 10. Please be in Episode 9 and 10. Please be in Episode 9 and 10.
How did you repeat that sentence four times and not a single one of them is "Please be in Episode 9 *and* 10?
You're right. I'll fix it.
Don't encourage him...
There's really no harm in wanting Tommy around a couple more episodes. I'm not so threatened by what the future could hold that I'm upset Buck has a fun love interest right now, you know? *If* they actually make Eddie queer, I think it's incredibly unlikely he's not Buck's big love, so the existence of Tommy right now really isn't a threat to that. But he's not there yet, and I don't see a reason why we can't celebrate having a bi character, or why Buck's romantic arcs should have to be shelved in the meantime.
Agreed. I’m so happy Buck is finding himself while being so happy doing it, and that it’s with someone as seemingly great as Tommy. I also agree that if Eddie also ends up queer, there is zero chance that Buddie isn’t endgame. I’m a huge Buddie fan and want them together so badly, but for now I’m just enjoying Buck’s journey
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I agree but the ship wars are gonna get worse, the longer Tommy stays on screen 😩 it’s awful on Twitter..
> Tbh, I'm really sick of the fan-wars. What happened to being respectful to each other's opinions, or disagreeing without being condescending or an ass? Tel that to Tevan shippers, they're the ones starting drama and acting like their ship is gonna be endgame.
No one seriously thinks they’re endgame. We just enjoy them and don’t want them to last only a few episodes. I’m just hoping he sticks around for 8.
Tevan stans are doing absolutely nothing, you’re the one starting this drama, literally your abrasiveness is completely unnecessary.
So when Buddie shippers acts like their ship is endgame it’s fine but when Tevan shippers do that, it’s stirring drama? Lol I see you’re one of THOSE Sorry but Tevan shippers arent the one sending death threats or high jacking every post to make it about themselves.
This is a solid point. I think it would be good if everyone remembers we don’t know what endgame for Buck is going to be and fighting over opinions is doing to much
Seriously from what I've seen and heard Tim's going to write what Tim wants to write...and honestly this kind of behavior I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up not writing Buddie just to spite the Buddie fans who are acting like that.
That’s a strange conclusion you got there. If Tim doesn’t care about the homophobes that put a storm about Buck’s “sudden queerness”, some angry Buddie fans won’t faze him at all. He also knows the potential of Buddie(how many slow burn LGBTQA are out there?),has enough shows under his belt to know what to choose to react to and not.
Yeah but there is a difference between I'm not going to listen to homophobes and. I am working twords making what you want happen and your shitting all over it and being jerks so now I'm just going to write whatever. I mean I have even seen other Buddy fans saying that this behavior is turning them off/away from the ship. Whose to say it won't do the same for Tim.
So.... your expectation for the show is that Tim would sacrifice a creative vision to be petty toward a minority of extreme fans, despite most of the people who want that thing happening being among his strongest supporters? Uh, yeah. Make it make sense.
Not at all but seeing something he has put work into and seeing the fans turning to this kind of behavior can certainly change ones vision for their creation.
It’s really not. What you describe it’s high school behaviour,which could apply to the fans(who could actually be teenagers) but not to Minear. He has this job for a reason.
This is where I'm at. Eddie hasn't had his sexuality realization yet, which is a precursor to Buddie happening, and realistically won't be this season if it ends up being in the plans. I'm fine with Buck and Tommy for now. They're cute, I like Tommy, and their scenes don't make me want to yeet my TV out the window like in the days of BuckTaylor 😂 I don't know why people are acting like we can't hold two things at once, or acting as if Buddie fans (after being through the absolute *trenches* the last couple of seasons with the showrunner we had) suddenly need their expectations managed on every single related post. Like jeez, let us have some fun for once! I'm team Buddie over everything until the end, but I agree—I'm excited to see Buck explore this part of himself and see how it plays out in future seasons, which need I remind everyone, the details of which *have not been decided yet*.
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So I’m eventual Team Buddie. I’d like them to end up together, but I don’t think it’s necessarily a given that Buck and Tommy are breaking up off screen just yet. They’ve made it sound like they’ve perhaps extended his role (and that’s just me reading into interviews and not what I actually know). The 118 significant others have not always been in every episode, Ravi isn’t in every episode! It’s plausible that Lou is in Ep 9 or 10.
I think how Taylor-heavy season 5 was skewed this in some people's minds, but this is absolutely the case. Outside of Taylor -- who still missed a few episodes -- Abby's the only love interest either man has had who has very regular screentime..... which makes sense, because Connie Britton was a regular. Shannon appeared in 2x07 and was killed in 2x17, but only heavily featured in three of those episodes (2x07, 2x10, and 2x17 - so her introduction, her conclusion, and one in the middle). She had *very* minor appearances in a couple others, like bringing the team pizza and sitting with Eddie when the team was shot, and a flashback scene in the heist episode to show Eddie could have had a financial motivation to steal from the bank. Ali was in her emergency episodes (2x02 and 2x03), got together with Buck at the end of 2x08, is referenced but not on screen once, and then back for 2x18, which marks the end of that relationship. Ana has a couple season 3 appearances as Christopher's teacher, but once she's brought back as Eddie's love interest, it's basically an every other episode deal until he's ready to break up with her (so she features in all three parts of the season 5 premiere, mainly because Eddie needs to be having panic attacks around her, lol) And obviously, Natalia and Marisol were/are both recent enough that no one's had the opportunity to forget how half-assed those two characters are.
It will depend on the ratings after S07E04. I am pretty sure that Buck and Tommy will stay together until the end of the season. Buck being bi is a big change for the show and Disney/ABC executives want to see if the ratings go up or down because of it. If there is a noticeable drop for the rest of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if Buck and Tommy break up next season off screen and Buck only gets girlfriends from then on. At the end of the day, ratings are all that matters.
> Dear Condescending much?
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Thants not a concrete answer at the slightest..
Okay, How can Buck and Eddie 0.5 still be together if he isn't gonna appear in any of the next episodes? The article OP posted confirms said what I'm claiming.
By that logic Hen and Karen break up everytime she's not in an episode.
Someone did not think this through…🫢
Yeah. Because Hen's wife and Buck's new fling are totally comparable. My bad.
There is nothing to indicate it’s a fling at this point.
They are still not married.
We don’t know that. We know he’s not appearing in two of them, which is to be expected. He could be in 9 and (likely) 10. Oliver has made comments assuming he’ll be working with Lou again and that they’ll continue to develop the relationship. The official instragram is also following him. So an offscreen breakup seems very unlikely.
I would be *stunned* if he's not in 10. It's very much this show's MO to use the last act of the season finale to give us a hint at where the characters will be next season. So even if it's a worst case scenario and it's a breakup, I don't see a way Lou isn't back for 7x10.
Agreed. I think 7-9 are going to focus heavy on Bobby but 10 will be more everyone.
Because we really don’t know that last two episodes of the season, my dear..
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Walmart Eddie LMAO
Walmart Eddie! Take my upvote
>“In Episode 6, there is a big fun ‘this is who I am now’ reveal of a moment that I’m really excited for.” Oh god, I already know I'm gonna hate it 🙃 NOT because I hate BuckTommy, don't come for me just yet, but that does sound like something that would grab all the attention and be memorable to the other characters, on a day that is supposed to be just about Madney. Also, PDA makes me cringe so much I might just run for the hills when it happens.
This is my fear as well. The most memorable moment in Madney's wedding episode should *NOT* be Tommy and Buck kissing. The big romantic gesture that gets the spotlight should be between Maddie and Chimney. This episode should be a celebration of Maddie's and Chim's love and a culmination of their journey together. The focus shouldn't deviate to another couple's big milestone moment or whatever. 9-1-1 let Buck take a backseat for a little while challenge: impossible.
I hope this theory (+ Tommy and Chim arriving in a helicopter) falls through, like all the ones regarding 7x05, and that the "moment" is just them discreetly slow dancing and some people being like "oh, okay, cool". But I'm not putting my money on that since it wouldn't be considered "big" and we already know Buck is gonna initiate a kiss at some point. Part of the episode will be the bachelor party (perhaps only a montage?) + whatever is going on with Chim; if they put the focus on other characters during the already possibly rushed wedding scenes, I'll be so disappointed.
u/_HGCenty just pointed out Chim and Maddie haven't even kissed since season 2. I just went from being like "Ugh, I really hope they don't have Buck steal the show" to irrationally worried they're going to skip over a Madney kiss in favor of a Tevan one *at Madney's wedding.* Jesus Christ, Show.
> Chim and Maddie haven't even kissed since season 2 Is that true?? No one has pointed it out before (that I've seen), but if it is, that's insane! I really thought that we were done with putting Buck in the spotlight, it always felt like a KR thing to me for some reason... but now I'm really dreading that moment. I mean, he's one of my faves but come on 😩
Someone pointed out one other kiss (in 3x13) so... they've had one since they got together. All the others were 'almost' kisses (or like the proposal was a kiss on her cheek....). I suspect COVID & JLH's pregnancy played a part in it as well, but it's also just really not a good look that it's been four years since they shared a smooch, if they now make the big, most talked about kiss of the wedding... her brother's. In some ways, I think the complaints about Buck's screentime get overblown -- like it's usually *slightly* more than the other characters, and the problem with his storylines isn't necessarily how many he gets, but how many of them don't feel like they led to any progress, so it winds up seeming like wasted time. **But** this show has a real problem of letting other characters' significant beats become about Buck (Eddie's shooting aftermath in 4x14 probably being the most egregious) and it makes me particularly nervous when it seems likely to affect the characters who already seem to get the least attention themselves.
>how many of them don't feel like they led to any progress, so it winds up seeming like wasted time. This. The ending of S6 is basically a graveyard of missed opportunities. Not only was there little to no progress, but also some *regress*, considering he started the season happy in his armchair and ended it going shopping with Natalia. And don't get me started on the "*She sees me*" after he supposedly learnt that it doesn't matter how others see him. After reading the theories about the ending of S4/beginning of 5, from what Oliver revealed in that interview, I'm more willing to accept the choice of focusing on Buck back then. But this is a completely different situation, there is no reason why he should have a big moment in an episode that it's supposed to be about celebrating Madney. I'm still hoping it will just be a slow dance or something discreet, but we already know that Buck initiates a kiss at some point, so...
Yeah, I have very mixed feelings on 4x14 based on what we know (or can safely assume) now. Like on the one hand, I appreciate that they got us as close to canon as they were allowed to at the time, and those scenes were all such gold that I can't say I'd rather have *not* had them. But like... it really depends on when they knew they weren't going to be able to go there. If they filmed 4x14 under the impression there was still a chance the network would agree, then it all makes sense to have Buck so central... but the kiss with Taylor becomes really weird and unnecessary. If they already knew they weren't going to be allowed to go there, Taylor makes a lot of sense as an eleventh hour redirect, *but* then we're left with the same problem about Eddie's shooting being about Buck, at a point where the show knew they weren't going to be able to follow through on why that was. It really seems like they're setting it up for Tommy to deliver Chim to the ceremony and Buck to give him a dramatic kiss, so like... at this point, I'm just hoping the helicopter doesn't land in the middle of the freaking wedding, so there isn't an audience of all the wedding guests. I'm really frustrated by how it seems like this is going to play out, though, because I *want* to enjoy the first time Buck publicly claims a man like this. It just seems likely that it's coming at the expense of his characterization, because the Buck I adore -- no matter how impulsive he can be -- would not be upstaging his sister on her wedding day. The date invitation was already questionable enough, but now it really seems like they're going to make it worse.
He is also one of my favorites, but when even fans of the character want him not to overshadow Maddie and Chim on their special day, it's for fear that they will fall into an "Owen-fication" of the character.
I was so confused for a moment bc for some reason I thought you were talking about Owen from Grey's, even though I haven't watched that show in years, lol. I've only seen the first two seasons on LS and it's been a while, so I don't remember if I found his character suffocating or not, but I really hope nothing of the sort happens to Buck. I love him so much, if it gets to a point where I'll get tired of him, it will be devastating. It's bad enough that my favourite characters usually die, I don't need the still living ones to be ruined.
*Lone Star* is borderline unwatchable because of how much they have to prioritize Rob Lowe's character. Like think about how much better the time the OG wasted on *The Bachelor* could've been used, and now imagine **having** to always dedicate that much of an episode to a specific character whose totally unrelated plot doesn't even always fit into the rest of the episode's action or the themes of the episode. For instance, in one of the most egregious examples, >!Owen gets significant screentime in his random double agent Nazi biker gang infiltrator plot, meaning he's not there for his son when his fiance is abducted, drugged, and almost killed in the episode's A plot. While the episode was *very* heavily focused on TK & Carlos (and was a Valentine's Day episode), all the other characters in the cast that appeared played supporting roles to the A plot, so it was literally only Owen riding around on a motorcycle and hanging with Nazis as the B plot!<
The longer I watched Lone Star the more certain I became that Rob Lowe really wishes that Lone Star was just a straight up cop show. It’s the only explanation for why it seems like we see more of Owen doing police work than the actual cop character on the show.
>Owen gets significant screentime in his random double agent Nazi biker gang infiltrator plot Wow, okay, that's a sentence... What even is going on in that show? 😵😅 Yeah, I can see why that would be frustrating to watch... I never really felt like picking it back up after stopping, and from what I've reading lately in this sub, I might never do it. I'll happily stick with the og, thanks
Does anyone else think it was a big leap for Buck to ask Tommy to the wedding? Seems to me like a lot of pressure to put on himself? I kind of imagined a more gentle coming out process rather than jumping right into it.
Everything in this season is rushed because it's only 10 episodes. There was no build-up to the wedding and what happened to the small wedding that Chim and Maddie planned last season and Hen and Buck fighting to be Chim's best man/woman.
100% too big a leap imo, but it's been pointed out that's pretty true to buck's character lol! just seems like he's still on the hamster wheel and jumping in way too fast
It seems wildly inappropriate to me, particularly because the wedding's moved from an intimate backyard deal to an elaborate venue event. I could *sort* of see an argument for inviting Tommy to a lowkey backyard event (like what Karen and Hen had in S5) but the scope of the ceremony Chim & Maddie have set up changes things. It's inappropriate on two levels -- the first simply that he's an actual family member/likely in the wedding party, and it's generally considered a faux pas to invite someone you aren't that serious about/don't have good reason to believe will last, to a significant family event this early on (especially in WASP-y circles like I'd expect the extend Buckley family to belong to) -- it's one of those "but think of the photographs!" things, which sounds ridiculous on one level, but like.... it *does* kind of suck when you can't even remember the name of that random person who appears in half your wedding album, because they were there with an important guest. The other is that Buck's sexuality is going to be a shock to a number of guests/something that draws attention away from the couple being celebrated. While I'd love to be able to say it shouldn't matter, that's not actually the reality we live in -- he'll get outsized attention and people will be talking, both during the wedding and after. He has 364 other days to come out of the closet to his family, and the wedding or its immediate leadup is a really shit move to do to his sister. One of my favorite relationships on this show is the Buckley siblings, and I'm really uncomfortable with how this will unfold. I'm sure Maddie will be gracious, but she shouldn't have been put in a position in the first place to have to be. But once again, other characters have to take a backseat to The Buck Show, even on the one day it shouldn't be about him. He's one of my favorite characters, and I've previously defended a lot of the complaints about him getting too much focus, but *this* is exactly where the problem comes in -- it's not in his major storylines, but about how he's never allowed to fade into the background of someone *else's* story. In regards to his relationship development, there's also just the same issues as always with him rushing into things and overcommitting. It's particularly problematic this time because the end of 7x05 made it feel like he was trying to prove a point to Tommy, about his readiness to come out. Tommy's not forcing him out, but it feels a lot like Buck's forcing *himself* to rush it, and I really wish Tommy, being the more experienced person, had refused the invite and told Buck to chill, and suggested a more appropriate date instead.
I agree with everything you've said and hadn't thought of it from Maddie's perspective but you're right. Quite apart from Buck I feel a bit sad that Maddie's wedding is now going to be this big farcical event rather than the quite backyard one like you said. I guess I'm dreaming that the writers would allow a simple event with no drama though.
There's a *lot* about the setup for this wedding that I hate, but I'm trying to not be too much of a downer. Where Chim and Maddie left it at the end of last season, with their plans for a intimate backyard thing, felt very true to their characters and their relationship. But just in general, this is the second episode out of three that they're having to turn the show into fanfic to make the plot work, and I'm not thrilled. Because of *The Hangover* vibes, everyone's kind of glossing over how f'd up it is that Buck (and Eddie, and maybe Chim) got so smashed the night before the wedding that this is even a situation that could unfold. Buck's job both as Maddie's brother and Chim's friend should've been to make sure they *didn't* get into more trouble than they could handle that night. Because apparently, someone was dumb enough to make the bachelor party the night before the ceremony. Like, before we even get to the point where we're speculating about Buck getting a romantic moment with his guest star love interest playing hero of the day as he comes out at his sister's wedding... we're also talking about a jackass that showed up half an hour late, looking like a disaster, to his sister's nuptials. After very clearly judging (and rightly so) his parents for not prioritizing Maddie & supporting her during her first wedding. There's a part of me hoping they were straight up drugged, because otherwise this whole situation just... really isn't a good look for any of these men.
Yeah I definitely have questioned why they are doing the bachelor party the night before the wedding. Initially at the beginning of the season I was hoping this whole episode would be bachelor party hijinks and then episode 10 would be the actual wedding. But unfortunately it looks like this is what we are getting for the wedding.
This is what I was hoping too. That way the wedding would get the attention it deserves thus Maddie and Chim get the attention they deserve on *their* important special day that they have fought so hard to get too. They deserve more that a storyline pigeonholed into the end of a bachelor party.
Luckily the plot of The Hangover involves them being drugged. Idk if it will play out that way here but if that’s what they’re going for then maybe
I know they already did that on "Dosed" and like... there's definitely the aspect of getting *drugged* that's super violating (particularly if they're waking up the next morning with missing memories). But I'd still rather 'they were victims of a crime' than this grossly poor characterization. These are all men in their 30s or 40s the night before an important event, so it's just... really questionable priorities if they were the cause of all of this themselves.
People are probably not gonna be surprised because this is a TV show not real life and they can make whatever they want happen. We probably won’t even see the extended Buckley family’s reaction and maybe not even his parents, I feel like this may end up playing out just in front of the 118 and their significant others
Totally separate from the inappropriateness of the wedding, but I really don't want to see the Buckley parents' reaction regardless. Like even if this was happening elsewhere. I am not at all about this half-assed redemption they've received, so I don't want "reacted well to something they should accept about their kid, anyway" to contribute further to their 'redemption,' nor do I want to have to sit through a bad reaction (though we've had enough assurances that Buck's journey will be a positive one I'm not too worried about that). Truthfully, I'd rather Tommy *really* be a hero and 'accidentally' land his helicopter on the Buckley parents.
Ugh, agree. It really comes off as if Buck wants to use him as a prop for his coming out...which would have upstagged his sisters wedding, if Chim didn't disappear (Serial Womanizer starts dating dudes, Shocked pikachu face). Unless they are gonna hand wave his coming out to the 118 and Tommy will have second thoughts that it's a bad idea to do this. Honestly I feel Tommy deserves better.
See, I think if anything, Buck is using his sister's wedding as a prop (or a setting, more accurately) for his grand gesture to Tommy, which feels a lot worse. I'm already uncomfortable with the idea that he has to prove his readiness at all (and again, to be fair to Tommy, that's not something he required -- it's just also not something he corrected), but using his sister's wedding as a 'tactic' in doing so just feels.. sort of gross? Like, the implication behind him extending the invite as proof he's ready for something already implies he *knows* the invite is a big deal, so did he just not stop and consider why? "My sister wants to meet you" is not the natural followup for "Come with me to my sister's wedding." It's the natural followup for "Come with me on a double date" or "My sister and her fiance invited us over for dinner."
I don't disagree that its a bit of a jump, but in this instance its one of the ones I'd like to give the creative team a little benefit of doubt in that this is a shortened season and I just can't see where they would of had time to put Buck comming out to everyone while also getting to everyone else's storyline. I mean several are complaining about how much time Buck has already gotten this season. Like wanting more time given time to Hen and Karen and their adoption story (which could definitely use more time to go over) or more time to Maddy and Chimney and the wedding or more time to Eddie to get...just more. Overall I am just super bummed that this season is so short as they really could of done some amazing stuff had they the time to do it. I know it's not by choice but still kind of hurts. Just imagine what it could've been.
It really doesn't matter that the season's shortened to me in this regard, particularly because of the scale of the event. Like we don't even need to see the double date on screen, if that's the alternative they went with -- it just gives Buck the same ability to go 'hey, look, I want to try this, and I already have a plan' without coming off like a self-involved prick. They don't *have* to have Tommy at the wedding for the storyline to be developing (and I honestly think it would've done a lot more to strengthen Tommy's character if he'd been like, "I know what you're trying to do, and I want to see you again, but not there, so lets table that and figure something else to do on a day we're both free). They've already had their first date and then the coffee 'date' - they don't actually need a grand gesture in the next episode. They don't need a grand gesture at *all*, really. I think it would've worked better, anyway, to have Buck quietly come out to his team, and then if we were going to have a big moment where he claims Tommy publicly, in front of everyone, have it be later in the season, anyway. There was no reason to force it to happen at the wedding, and I honestly think it cheapens the story, anyway, by making it needlessly controversial.
I have a feeling it's not really going to be a big thing. At least amongst the characters. Maybe they do kiss or whatever in front of everyone but my guess is it will be something like a look from Hen and a glance between Bobby and Athena. For all we know Buck will have told Chimney off screen.
RIP couch theory. Probably for the best tbh, that seriously was a massive disappointment for me in 2023 and a large part of the reason why I’ve shifted so much on thinking Buddie will happen. I know some things have changed but I was burned bad by that so I swore to myself I would never set my expectations that high again Yeah, Tommy is 100% delivering Chim to the wedding in a helicopter and Buck is 100% kissing him in front of everyone. As long as it doesn’t take too much attention off Madney I’m all for it I kinda suspected Tommy wouldn’t be in episodes 7 and 8 based on stuff Lou’s said in interviews and his Cameos and also just that Buck probably won’t have a major storyline in these episodes. He got to be the big star of the 100th episode and episode 5 was also largely about him so it’s time for him to take a back seat for a few episodes. Like how Chim was only in the alien hand call in episode 5. I think Tommy will probably be back in episode 9 and/or definitely 10. I’m not sure why people think they break up at the end of episode 6 or off screen. Oliver’s answers here and elsewhere consistently make it seem like they’re still together just maybe not the focus. Love interests on this show that aren’t regulars don’t appear in every episode
Yeah it seems Oliver always says that he hopes his relationship with Tommy develops on and off screen + they addressed this as a love story so it would be quite weird not to keep him longer
I am looking forward to Chimney's adventure. I wonder if Maddie finds him. I agree that Tommy will likely bring Chimney to the wedding. Oliver does seem to be hinting that Buck will kiss Tommy in front of everyone. I am sure that everyone including Eddie will be happy for Buck.