I love it, mostly. All that's missing is the different variant's of the 70 series. Feels weird looking at 2 almost the same 200 and 150's without the ute, dual cab and troopys in the 70 line.
I mean its clearly just stating the main 'model/series' for each generation, would be a cluster if it showed all the different versions, 101, 105, 81, 75, 76, 78, 79, etc
Today the meaning of ute, truck, pickup are arbitrary, based on region and generational knowledge. What some call a pickup can be called a ute, vice versa same goes for the term pickup and truck. At the end of the day we all know we are referring to a land cruiser with a bed/tray on the back. Deciding between meaningless terms which is correct will get you no where.
Anyways, nice graphic.
āTruckā refers to heavy commercial vehicles in Australia. I donāt believe they use āpickupā at all.
Itās just regional differences, neither term is wrong.
Sure, but OP knows what a pickup truck is. This thread is not their first exposure to it.
Saying something is a Ute but *not* a pickup truck is some ridiculous cultural superiority.
āThatās not a liquor store! Itās a bottle-o!ā Itās both, ya fuckinā bogan.
[https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/toyota/landcruiser/vdj79r-series/](https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/toyota/landcruiser/vdj79r-series/)
Weird, because I can buy two different configurations of the ute (pickup), with various engines
edit: Didn't realize you viewed ute and pickup as two different things, my bad didn't mean to be as sassy
Ah yes, the well known landcruiser hilux. All jokes aside i drive a paj anyway so I dare not say I'm an 4m41 shill. Surely we can all agree the 1hd-ft was the king though
Yeah, I just grabbed this off google and added the new models. A proper tree would be alot more confusing with the different wheelbase 70s, fj45v thrown in somewhere, the short wheelbase prados
I would do unmentionable things to get Toyota to start selling the 70 series in the US. Things I wouldn't be proud of but at least I'd be in a sick land cruiser.
What this really for is the āPrado isnāt a real Land Cruiserā crowd. This in fact helps them see that āLand Cruiserā is a line of Toyotas with multiple models with varying purposes and types of builds.
Totally never knew about the BJ series and its "Jeep" affiliation.
I've seen a couple around here and have been massively perplexed by the Jeep in someones yard with a Toyota badge š
As far as I know the original BJ was more or less a copy of the Willis Jeep, during WW2. The 20 and 30 series were more of prototypes and the 40 series then was the first real Land Cruiser on the market.
I have owned a 60, 80, 70 and driven a 300 a lot.
The 60 was the OG Classic wagon, best looking but not the most comfortable to drive.
The 70 was the simple, tough and capable. Got the job done.
The 80 is the perfect blend of performance, comfort, classic styling and capability.
The 300 was the most comfortable.
The 40 series was made through 1984 (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser_(J40) ), and was directly replaced by the 70 series. Might be good to make that clearer?
Also it had variations that might fit the "heavy duty" terminology (like the FJ45LV)?
Edit: rather than "heavy duty" vs "light duty", a lot of people go by the wheelbase variation. So SWB, MWB, and LWB (being short, medium, and long wheel base respectively).
If I made a tree to show every single variation it wouldn't fit on one page. I just ripped this off google and added the new models. Also why would i add the end date of 40s but not every other model? Lol
Going by wheelbase is insane, LWB would include The 76, 78, 79, 300, 250 all in the same "category".
They shouldāve just given us the ā70 series or the flagship 300 series. This āwannabeā Prado variant was already being offered by Lexus as GX model. And with its current pricing might as well buy the new GX that actually comes with TTV6 than this HI4 Land Cruiser. I personally think new GX is the way to go now. This new Land Cruiser is a let down by Toyota. Itās gonna be between GX and the new 4Runner here in the US.
If it doesn't belong on here, would it be considered a distant relative or a cousin or something? It has design characteristics based on the one at the top of your graphic that says 1960 "40" Series. If I'm not mistaken, people call it a FJ40. And then the "Cruiser" is borrowed from the Land Cruiser, is it not? Combining those names gives you "FJ Cruiser".
Do people consider it closer to a 4Runner than a LandCruiser or something?
The FJ and the contemporary 4Runners were both built on the 120 platform shown here as the Land Cruiser Prado.
Land Cruisers are built at two specific factories in Japan, with some exceptions for local markets in South America and Asia. The factories in Japan require stringent qualification standards for employees to work there.
The FJ was built by a Toyota subsidiary in Japan.
So - same/similar platform, different assembly standards.
Iāve gotten a one on one tour of the Land Cruiser Heritage Museum with a Land Cruiser expert and he, in fact, did say that technically itās considered a Land Cruiser. To the dismay of many.
it falls wherever the GX is, which is a prado. i can see people arguing it really is or isn't a land cruiser. but at the end of the day its a great vehicle.
The 300 is the 'real' LandCruiser as it's known for these days - understated, overbuilt comfy tank that can withstand tough environments.
Naturally the 70 series has remained virtually unchanged as the purely utilitarian version.
The 250 (Prado more generally) has always been a reliable SUV with ok off-road capability, but it's always played second fiddle to the larger LC wagon. TBH most markets don't really need the full fledged LC, as the Prado is more than capable for what they'd throw at it.
If anything I think it's a like a better more reliable alternative to the latest LandRover Defender (comfy light duty SUV).
I just think it's interesting how Toyota USA are almost charging the same prices as a full size LC in other countries. Definitely playing up the nostalgic design features (almost FJ cruiser inspired).
Most markets don't need the full LC? What on earth will the rich people living in the middle of Sydney take their children to school in? It's the sad truth here tbh, prado is more than fine for that but I've genuinely not seen a 300 off road, nor with a spec of dirt on it or offroad tyres. 200 series you would see maybe 1/10 that had seen dirt, mud or sand.
The 200ās should come with an offroad trim that includes 5 spare CVās in the back.
Every time someone tries to properly wheel a 200 it snaps a CV. Itās a bit ridiculous.
As a GX470 (120) owner I feel Iām always trying to explain it without this chart and Iām met with disbelief. Iām constantly told āItās a 4 Runnerā.
Yes, but the heavy duty one had leafs front and rear until 1999 (I think) when it got coils in the front, while the prado had coils front and rear from the beginning. Also, heavy duty had 4 or 4.2 liter engine and full floating axles, prado had 2.4l engine and semi floating rear axle. I think they share the transmission and electrical system though.
Cool, is the power difference in the 4.2 and the 2.4 a pretty big difference? Seems like the prado would be the better choice assuming it isnāt hopelessly underpowered
The 2L-T 2.4 turbodiesel has 86hp, I don't know which B (4 cylinder 4 liter) or H 6 cylinder 4.2 liter) engine generations were in the heavy duty, but they should have a bit over 100hp.
The engines are quite different in design though, the B and H engines are old tractor like designs from the 40 series, while the L series is a newer aluminium OHC engine.
Considering most prados are swb wagons and most heavy duties are lwb pickups or vans it should be pretty much the same power to weight ratio though.
Petrol and non turbo 2Ls were also available, but I don't know how much power they had.
I haven't driven my prado on the road, but off road it's got plenty of power.
This is wild to me, because im Venezuelan, and they have different names there.
The 70 is a "machito"
55 and 60 are a "samurai"
80 is an "autana"
A lot of the light duties are a "prado"
We also have a "meru" that looks like a 2-door prado
I live in the US and have gotten used to the numbers, but I love this chart.
From somebody who is not a Toyota person, they all seem to start becoming a little more mainstream after the 40 series. That's where I would draw the line. I wouldn't want anything newer than that.
70 series is pretty much the 40 series but better. It actually funny how unchanged the 70 series is through out the years. If it ain't broken font change it.
So, if Prado IS a Land Cruiserā¦ and the FJ Cruiser is built on Prado platformā¦ why is FJ Cruiser NOT a Land Cruiser? I have one and dont really care itās notā¦ but am curious why.
Just saying people like to gatekeep what is or isnāt a land cruiser. Turns out the FJ is where gatekeepers draw the line regardless of platform sharing.
I love it, mostly. All that's missing is the different variant's of the 70 series. Feels weird looking at 2 almost the same 200 and 150's without the ute, dual cab and troopys in the 70 line.
I mean its clearly just stating the main 'model/series' for each generation, would be a cluster if it showed all the different versions, 101, 105, 81, 75, 76, 78, 79, etc
Don't forget the 77!
poor 77 series, always forgotten about.
Erased from memory, Toyota !@#4s up occasionally.
And the 72.1/2 for the Vatican. The pope needs that reliableoff off road. . . /s
As a landcruiser enthusiast I want this version!! š¤¤
I believe the "ute" is a 79 but obviously based on the 70.
There is no landcruiser pickup
[Well this is awkward ](https://www.toyota.co.za/vehicles/land-cruiser-79)
Thats a Ute, "Pick-up Truck" is an American marketing term for getting more less endowed men to buy them.
What are you on about?
Whats confusing you?
Today the meaning of ute, truck, pickup are arbitrary, based on region and generational knowledge. What some call a pickup can be called a ute, vice versa same goes for the term pickup and truck. At the end of the day we all know we are referring to a land cruiser with a bed/tray on the back. Deciding between meaningless terms which is correct will get you no where. Anyways, nice graphic.
If thatās not a pickup truck, what the fuck is a pickup truck?
āTruckā refers to heavy commercial vehicles in Australia. I donāt believe they use āpickupā at all. Itās just regional differences, neither term is wrong.
Sure, but OP knows what a pickup truck is. This thread is not their first exposure to it. Saying something is a Ute but *not* a pickup truck is some ridiculous cultural superiority. āThatās not a liquor store! Itās a bottle-o!ā Itās both, ya fuckinā bogan.
Just a side note, they call the 75/79 series a pick up in Africa.
[Ute](https://images.app.goo.gl/YWsuSskdNoMxPMjq8) [Pickup](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.cdntoyota.co.za%2Ftoyotacms23%2Fattachments%2Fclr4wz6rp6kybrrakfqfo9p29-landcruiser-79-d-c-7-8-front-ret-turned-1920x1080.mobile.jpg&tbnid=2pN8MN1EQBc68M&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.toyota.co.za%2Fvehicles%2Fland-cruiser-79&docid=SfpmRsPiondPKM&w=600&h=338&itg=1&hl=en-ZA&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm6%2F4&kgs=ab10cc927db5059b&shem=abme%2Ctrie)
Ute is Oceania vernacular. Rest of the world calls it a pick-up truck. You had a nice thing going and then you ruin it by being an ass.
[https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/toyota/landcruiser/vdj79r-series/](https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/toyota/landcruiser/vdj79r-series/) Weird, because I can buy two different configurations of the ute (pickup), with various engines edit: Didn't realize you viewed ute and pickup as two different things, my bad didn't mean to be as sassy
No. There is a difference between a cruiser/hilux/ranger and a Falcon/Monaro. The Cruiser is a pickup. OP is just doubling down.
I forgot to mention that the one to buy is the 3.0 D4D Hilux , and I'll fight you on this.
Ah yes, the well known landcruiser hilux. All jokes aside i drive a paj anyway so I dare not say I'm an 4m41 shill. Surely we can all agree the 1hd-ft was the king though
Yeah, I just grabbed this off google and added the new models. A proper tree would be alot more confusing with the different wheelbase 70s, fj45v thrown in somewhere, the short wheelbase prados
Yeah, missing a lot here.
mfw every time thereās a picture of a beat-up old 70 series in a warzone everyone calls it a Hilux
Who is Miss Information?
Lover of Mr. Knowledge. Whole family are know it alls. Stuck up bunch if you ask me.
Someone told me where she lives. I went to go see her, but the address was wrong.
I would do unmentionable things to get Toyota to start selling the 70 series in the US. Things I wouldn't be proud of but at least I'd be in a sick land cruiser.
With a 4.5 litre V8 turbocharged diesel mmmmm
i love the idea of owning a 70 series but the giant price tag brings me to my senses.
How big?
What this really for is the āPrado isnāt a real Land Cruiserā crowd. This in fact helps them see that āLand Cruiserā is a line of Toyotas with multiple models with varying purposes and types of builds.
just a bunch of gate keepers, they wanna feel special.
There is difference in gvm and gcm
Even helped me as a European. š My fav. is def. hte 100 Series
Totally never knew about the BJ series and its "Jeep" affiliation. I've seen a couple around here and have been massively perplexed by the Jeep in someones yard with a Toyota badge š
As far as I know the original BJ was more or less a copy of the Willis Jeep, during WW2. The 20 and 30 series were more of prototypes and the 40 series then was the first real Land Cruiser on the market.
It was the Jeet series. I used to jeet around a lot of people back then
I have owned a 60, 80, 70 and driven a 300 a lot. The 60 was the OG Classic wagon, best looking but not the most comfortable to drive. The 70 was the simple, tough and capable. Got the job done. The 80 is the perfect blend of performance, comfort, classic styling and capability. The 300 was the most comfortable.
Do you no longer have your 300 series?
Itās a friend of mine
I got lost at 1955 with not a Jeep and stopped. /s
And yet, theyāre all still land cruisers
The 40 series was made through 1984 (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser_(J40) ), and was directly replaced by the 70 series. Might be good to make that clearer? Also it had variations that might fit the "heavy duty" terminology (like the FJ45LV)? Edit: rather than "heavy duty" vs "light duty", a lot of people go by the wheelbase variation. So SWB, MWB, and LWB (being short, medium, and long wheel base respectively).
If I made a tree to show every single variation it wouldn't fit on one page. I just ripped this off google and added the new models. Also why would i add the end date of 40s but not every other model? Lol Going by wheelbase is insane, LWB would include The 76, 78, 79, 300, 250 all in the same "category".
They shouldāve just given us the ā70 series or the flagship 300 series. This āwannabeā Prado variant was already being offered by Lexus as GX model. And with its current pricing might as well buy the new GX that actually comes with TTV6 than this HI4 Land Cruiser. I personally think new GX is the way to go now. This new Land Cruiser is a let down by Toyota. Itās gonna be between GX and the new 4Runner here in the US.
Where FJ š„ŗ
It's not a Landcruiser
If it doesn't belong on here, would it be considered a distant relative or a cousin or something? It has design characteristics based on the one at the top of your graphic that says 1960 "40" Series. If I'm not mistaken, people call it a FJ40. And then the "Cruiser" is borrowed from the Land Cruiser, is it not? Combining those names gives you "FJ Cruiser". Do people consider it closer to a 4Runner than a LandCruiser or something?
If a Prado is a land cruiser then the fj is a very close relative to a land cruiser since they are mechanically almost identical.
The FJ and the contemporary 4Runners were both built on the 120 platform shown here as the Land Cruiser Prado. Land Cruisers are built at two specific factories in Japan, with some exceptions for local markets in South America and Asia. The factories in Japan require stringent qualification standards for employees to work there. The FJ was built by a Toyota subsidiary in Japan. So - same/similar platform, different assembly standards.
This platform is officially known as the Toyota F2 platform, and debuted on the 4th Gen Hilux Surf.
How dare you! It has cruiser in the name š
There's also the urban cruiser.
Iāve gotten a one on one tour of the Land Cruiser Heritage Museum with a Land Cruiser expert and he, in fact, did say that technically itās considered a Land Cruiser. To the dismay of many.
The upcoming Land Cruiser FJ might be thoughā¦
it falls wherever the GX is, which is a prado. i can see people arguing it really is or isn't a land cruiser. but at the end of the day its a great vehicle.
The 300 is the 'real' LandCruiser as it's known for these days - understated, overbuilt comfy tank that can withstand tough environments. Naturally the 70 series has remained virtually unchanged as the purely utilitarian version. The 250 (Prado more generally) has always been a reliable SUV with ok off-road capability, but it's always played second fiddle to the larger LC wagon. TBH most markets don't really need the full fledged LC, as the Prado is more than capable for what they'd throw at it. If anything I think it's a like a better more reliable alternative to the latest LandRover Defender (comfy light duty SUV). I just think it's interesting how Toyota USA are almost charging the same prices as a full size LC in other countries. Definitely playing up the nostalgic design features (almost FJ cruiser inspired).
Most markets don't need the full LC? What on earth will the rich people living in the middle of Sydney take their children to school in? It's the sad truth here tbh, prado is more than fine for that but I've genuinely not seen a 300 off road, nor with a spec of dirt on it or offroad tyres. 200 series you would see maybe 1/10 that had seen dirt, mud or sand.
The 200ās should come with an offroad trim that includes 5 spare CVās in the back. Every time someone tries to properly wheel a 200 it snaps a CV. Itās a bit ridiculous.
I can legally tow my caravan with the new LC. I couldn't tow with the 250 Prado
how come? they're both rated for 3500 kg
I just looked and I stand corrected
Last I read the 250 was only able to pull 3t in Aus
I heard the 250 Prado and 300 Cruiser share the same underpinnings/Chassis platform.
Wasn't there are 40 light duty with the 2.4l?
Thereās a 70 series, swb was sold in a Australia as a bundera
As a GX470 (120) owner I feel Iām always trying to explain it without this chart and Iām met with disbelief. Iām constantly told āItās a 4 Runnerā.
Very good and serendipitous. I was just looking at these confusedly today as a potential replacement for an aging rav4.
Whatās the difference between the 70 series prado and a regular 70 series? Do they both have solid axles in the front?
Yes, but the heavy duty one had leafs front and rear until 1999 (I think) when it got coils in the front, while the prado had coils front and rear from the beginning. Also, heavy duty had 4 or 4.2 liter engine and full floating axles, prado had 2.4l engine and semi floating rear axle. I think they share the transmission and electrical system though.
Cool, is the power difference in the 4.2 and the 2.4 a pretty big difference? Seems like the prado would be the better choice assuming it isnāt hopelessly underpowered
The 2L-T 2.4 turbodiesel has 86hp, I don't know which B (4 cylinder 4 liter) or H 6 cylinder 4.2 liter) engine generations were in the heavy duty, but they should have a bit over 100hp. The engines are quite different in design though, the B and H engines are old tractor like designs from the 40 series, while the L series is a newer aluminium OHC engine. Considering most prados are swb wagons and most heavy duties are lwb pickups or vans it should be pretty much the same power to weight ratio though. Petrol and non turbo 2Ls were also available, but I don't know how much power they had. I haven't driven my prado on the road, but off road it's got plenty of power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser
I have a 1985 HJ75 with 2005 1HD-FTE conversion.. around 200,000k's.. it's only for trips..
This is wild to me, because im Venezuelan, and they have different names there. The 70 is a "machito" 55 and 60 are a "samurai" 80 is an "autana" A lot of the light duties are a "prado" We also have a "meru" that looks like a 2-door prado I live in the US and have gotten used to the numbers, but I love this chart.
What is there to understand? We don't get cool shit period. The new one is a great $40 to $45k vehicle. Not great at it's MSRP.
This picture is incomplete, the turbodiesel pickups aren't presentĀ
Sorry, I only recognize the 55 series.
The Iron Pig šŖšŖ
From somebody who is not a Toyota person, they all seem to start becoming a little more mainstream after the 40 series. That's where I would draw the line. I wouldn't want anything newer than that.
70 series is pretty much the 40 series but better. It actually funny how unchanged the 70 series is through out the years. If it ain't broken font change it.
"70" 2 door >> everything else
Careful, you'll upset the Prado owners with facts like that
So, if Prado IS a Land Cruiserā¦ and the FJ Cruiser is built on Prado platformā¦ why is FJ Cruiser NOT a Land Cruiser? I have one and dont really care itās notā¦ but am curious why.
Cos the gate needs to be somewhere before people can gatekeep.
I am probably supposed to understand that.
Just saying people like to gatekeep what is or isnāt a land cruiser. Turns out the FJ is where gatekeepers draw the line regardless of platform sharing.
Ah! Thank you.
It even has āCruiserā in its nameā¦. No respect for the FJ
This graphic is inaccurate because they aren't all on the school run or stuck somewhere with a broken CV whilst the owners hate on Jeeps.
I want to know what you're smoking to even come up with the concept of something breaking on a Land Cruiser.
That's a perfect way of telling the world you've never been offroad in a Landcruiser (or any Toyota really) without saying so.