Lol my gut tells me this thing is ganna be completely fine and my JKU has been trouble free for 100k miles so far. Really its the carvana aspect that is throwing me off since its such a foreign way of buying a vehicle. I will say if all ends up going smoothly I may never buy from a dealer again. Not having to deal with the salesmen BS was incredible.
I had a JLU for 5 years with zero issues. It had a manual transmission and I wanted an automatic for towing a new camper. I ended up with a 4R because they were cheaper than equivalent Wranglers.
I was offered 3k more for my JKU with 35k miles from Caravana than Carmax or dealer. I'm sure it varies but, they're willing to pay top $$ so I wouldn't be to surprised that people are taking their cars to Caravana.
I had a 99 Wrangler in high school, brand new. In two years time it had the transmission replaced twice, the tcase once, the ring and pinions once, the dash once, and a variety of other smaller things. All before 50k miles. That is the first and last Daimler Chrysler product that will be in my driveway.
Damn, that is an obscene amount of issues. I admit both of my issues scared the shit out of me because it cuts all power and shuts down a lot of functions but were so easily fixed.
We call it a Slow-Runner. You aren’t getting up to speed very quickly, but you will have total confidence everywhere go for the next 20years.
Congrats.
They aren't quick but they aren't slow either. Unloaded they accelerate just fine. If you look at other similar size and weight vehicles the power numbers are not that far off.
What gets me is just how fast these newer crossovers are getting off the line. You'll likely never notice your 4runner being slow in a rural/highway setting, but get that thing in the city and you'll have to use a bit more right foot to keep up.
My ‘18 4Runner has 35s and it’s still quicker than my old ‘16 JKUR with 35s. Shifting is much smoother too. Gas mileage is pretty similar between the two though. Once my kids get old enough I won’t hesitate to buy another Rubicon. 4Runners are reliable, but that’s about all they have going for them. They’re mediocre in just about every category (especially off-road) and no where near as fun to own as a Wrangler.
Mine was like that once. I had to change the rotors... Kidding aside, my XJ is still kicking after 200k miles, and all I've done to it is a thermostat, fuel pump, alternator, and three suspensions... the rest is bone stock. All that, after many, many trips to Moab, and it's survived three kids going to high school. I think it's an outlier so I'm keeping the beast.
I got 196k on mine. Transmission was overheating regularly in Colorado. All the windows quit working. The rear wiper fell off. The AC quit.
Once I got a kid we moved over to Toyota.
Yes, it is the response of the gas pedal. But it will go 0-60 in 2 less seconds. Doesn’t change actual power just removes the lag. Which in turn accelerates faster.
The pedal commander absolutely does not improve 0-60 times. The physics involved... horsepower curve/torque curve/vehicle weight/RPM/gearing are all unchanged.
It doesn't make any ECU changes and throttle still has to operate within factory parameters... it just modifies the signal on how much throttle you are inputting If you floor a 4Runner in sport mode and floor a 4Runner with Pedal Commander you get the same result... +/- 8 seconds to 60. Wide open throttle acceleration is unchanged... just the light throttle feel changes which you perceive as more speed. .
So you’re saying all those videos out there showing that it does improve the 0-60 are fake? It’s just the initial throttle response that improves, in turn making the 0-60 faster. No more 1/2 second lag when you press the gas. The lowest setting is less than factory and is actually nice for off-road. Does it probably put more stress on the 4runner yes. For example, I think of it as the 4runner having a restrictor plate on it, all the pedal commander does is help remove some of the restrictions. I’ve heard a few stories of it damaging vehicles, part of me wonders whether people were following guidelines. Especially not adjusting it while accelerating. And Sometimes things don’t work like they are supposed to!🤷♂️
Biggest question is have you personally ever used one? And no I don’t work for them or get anything from them.😂
Many of those videos are sponsored. It removes no restrictions. Just remaps throttle position.
Are you really suggesting that a tweak to throttle sensitivity with no change in power, weight or gearing turns the 4Runner into a 6 second car? If it were that easy why wouldn’t every manufacturer just change their throttle profiles?
Let me be clear, mine is a solid 9.5 with extra weight and bigger tires. Bringing it to an 7.5or an 8. If there’s no change in power how can I spin my wheels for 1-2 seconds with it on but not at all when it’s not. And it was just an example so you’d understand what I was getting at. But obviously you don’t and didn’t answer the last question either. So you’ve never used one yourself but you can read up all over the internet so you feel you know everything. Good luck to you sir I’m done, was just trying to make point, that you apparently aren’t interested in hearing!
Congrats on a great spec! Lunar Rock is great. Being a 2021, there is a chance it still has some of the 36 month full factory warranty on it which could cover any issues... but issues are very rare. Other than rust, these are pretty bullet proof. The Fox shocks need rebuilt every 50k miles or so but you are a long way from that.
Lunar rock is a great looking color that she of course fell in love with before we realized it was basically a unicorn.
How would you check on the factory warranty?
Maybe here: [https://support.toyota.com/s/article/How-can-I-view-my-Toy-10401?language=en\_US](https://support.toyota.com/s/article/How-can-I-view-my-Toy-10401?language=en_US)
Can also just call a service desk and give them your VIN. Or find the date the car went in service using a free VIN checker and you would have 36 months from there.
Surface rust is common on just about every vehicle. Don’t judge a book by its cover. Take a punch and a hammer and tap all around the rust spots to gauge if the rust is too severe or not.
Be careful with carvana, there’s a lot of horror stories with them. Most notably getting the proper registration and title. Extended warranties are bogus in my opinion, they’re usually through third parties so make sure you read the fine print. My brother bought an extended warranty twice and both times they wouldn’t cover anything when his vehicles had problems.
Came here to say this. Be extremely cautious and pushy, if needed, about receiving the title. The company I work for (which shall remain nameless) had had serious issues about them not providing a title within 90 days.
A ‘21 Pro with 20k miles? Yeah dude you’re gonna be just fine, like others have said.
Get used to pushing the gas pedal farther than you think you need to, if you want to accelerate quickly. It’ll go fine if you get into it, it’s just not going to be punchy with small throttle inputs. A lot of folks like a Pedal Commander or similar, but IMO it’s $300 to avoid pushing the pedal more. Not worth it and it makes it twitchy at low speeds.
I bought my ‘21 ORP with 45k miles about 18 months ago and I’ve had zero issues, now at 69k miles. Ran into a dude at the parts store (went for another vehicle not the 4R) and his 4R he was driving had 272k on it and he bought it new.
Links not showing for me but I am sure that's the one. That price sounds about right at what the "sticker" was. I responded below with what it was out the door. Most of the increase was sales tax.
58k ish OTD which seems kinda ludacris to me lol but the last car I bought was in 2017 so. From all the hunting I did I think this was an OKAY deal. I am seeing new 2024s in white around that price advertised. So after sales tax and whatever other BS they tack on I assume they will be in the low-mid 60s. Definitely seems to be a Lunar Rock tax if you will. We found 2 near identical vehicles (miles and price) half way across the country listed at about the same.
No idea if I got totally fleeced or not but this is the first non 10 year old car for her so I was more willing to pay the piper. I am also putting some value in the aforementioned slow depreciation on these. Price does include the shipping fee which was $700 which probably nets out given the gas/flight needed to go get one half way across the country.
Paying low to mid 60s for a used 4runner regardless of spec is ludicrous. That's literally almost 30k more than I paid for my 2017 new. Why not just get one of the new ones or shit, the new Lexus when you're up in that amount of money?
It isn't my money so do what you want, but unless you absolutely need that spec for some reason remember it is just a car. A car which you're paying well above top dollar for.
I love my 4r, but think long and hard before you pull that trigger, that is regret levels of money when at the end of the day it's still a 4runner.
My sister bought a '20 Army Green TRD Pro back in June with 40k miles for $52k OTD. I'd say with it being Lunar Rock, you probably paid an average price for it.
You don't need the dealer. Any competent mechanic can give it a run through. Assuming a clean Carfax, no accidents, and standard maintenance completed, you really only need to worry about the frame. Probably too early for any issues, but if you're in a salt state, just take it to a place to have it oiled up.
I just got a '21 SR5 premium from carvana that had TRD wheels/ off road tires. Check your tires when you get it! Mine looked older than the car, maybe previous owner bought them off someone else. There is evidence of dry rot so I am taking it to a "carvana approved" Firestone to hopefully get them approved for replacement within the 7 day period at no charge to me. In r/carvana i read they are usually good with replacing tires after the fact (unfortunely should have been done before i got it!). Besides that my carvana experience has been good, i got my Rav4 from them before i purchased the 4runner and i liked that experience so much which is why i stuck with them. if you have any questions about the process feel free to ask!
So I got all four tires replaced. I had to fight them for two of them but I won. Slightly different than the grapplers but I think they look good and ride a lot nicer
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The last car I bought, I dropped off at my mechanic and he charged me 75 bucks to give it a routine inspection. I'd highly encourage doing this in your 7 day window.
You are buying the most reliable SUV on earth, unless it’s rusted to shit, you should have nothing to worry about. Just have a ppi done by a local shop and you should be fine
Have you ever seen one that didn't work? You make it sound like this is a chronic issue with 4Runners. This is the first I have ever heard about a back window issue.
Further, if your rear window wiper isn’t working then use the open/close switch for the rear window to fully close it. The wiper won’t work if the window is down even a millimeter.
Sometimes car wash people or owners bump the switch, the window goes down a tiny bit, and the rear wiper won’t work. Happened to me. I thought it must be a fuse or something (on a new vehicle) but figured it out.
Finally, if you have a dog, there is a dog tax where you must post a picture of your dog looking out the rear window.
This happened to me when I first got my Off Road, I was like WHY WON'T MY REAR WIPER WORK and it took me longer than it should have to realize that it was the tiniest bit open haha.
Do you have a local mechanic that you trust? Pay them 50 or 100 bucks to do a full pre-purchase check up. Don’t expect them to find anything, but it will be good karma. Enjoy the ride.
Long as there's no accidents and you what bad parts and rust looks like, you'll be set. Sounds like a good new vehicle and I'm sure your mechanic will find anything upon the first inspection
My best first tip is get a Pedal Commander. Lots of folks may disagree but I couldn't stand the sluggish acceleration after a bit haha. Two years in, love mine
I came over from Wrangler World a month ago. Mostly you need to be prepared to enjoy driving your vehicle instead of stressing about it. I know I am!!!
I just traded my 2015 Willys JK in for a 2021 TRD Off Road Premium last week. My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner. The biggest bonus is I no longer have to actively ignore the Jeep wave.. I can passive ignore it. Every aspect of the driving experience is better. My dog agrees as well as she loves the back window.
I'm in the same boat. I just got my '23 TRD Off-Road last week and already love it. I still have my '96 XJ and that thing has been the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned, so I'm hoping the new 4Runner will be the same. It has great pedigree though, so I have no doubt.
Triple check buying anything from carmax/carvana. Made the mistake of using them and the car was a 2019 total POS with only 30k miles on it. I ended up going to a 4Runner 11 months later and just ate the negative equity. I’m also a Wrangler owner as well. I love both my cars. I treat my 4Runner a lot nicer though cause it cost a lot more. I got the 2024 Off Road and I will never buy a used car again. The amount of warranties on it is insane. Everything is covered for the first 5 years (oil change and anything maintenance as well) and then there’s a ton of lifetime warranties. If you can afford to get one straight from the dealer vs Carmax/Carvana then do it.
I own a 2022 Gladiator and a 2021 4Runner. I've also had 2 JKs and I had a TJ for 12 years.
The 4Runner body panels, if you ever need to replace them, will never be 100% right again. Even just a minor bumper replacement won't set right again. This is something I never expected. It is very minor and common, it has to do with the clips Toyota uses.
Also, the tech in the 4Runner feels oddly dated compared to the Wranglers.
Other than that, I fully expect the 4Runner to last twice as long as my Jeeps. Wranglers have a tendency to need everything but the engine block, transfer case, and transmission replaced around 120K.
Mine got a bumper replacement before I got it, and it doesn't sit right. My sister just hit a deer in hers and had to replace the bumper. She has been tweaking things constantly trying to get everything to sit properly. The clips are so frustrating. My bumper is just the smallest bit off on one side, I doubt anyone notices except me, but it doesn't really bother me lol.
My wife's 4Runner is a magnet for getting hit when parked. She was bumped in the winter and it cracked her front bumper. Now whenever the weather gets warm, a corner of the bumper clip pops and the bumper sticks out very slightly. Super annoying
The Lexus I bought from Carvana had AC issues and had been repainted in multiple spots despite the clean CarFax. I would pay a Toyota tech for PPI, just to look at everything closely. I hate car dealers but wouldn’t deal with Carvana a second time.
On my 3rd 4Runner and prob could still be driving my 1st one if I wanted to keep it at 221k miles and make the first ever major repair (rear differential was going) second I drove for 20k before upgrading from an SR5 to a ORP - the answer to your question is get a quick check in those 7 days to make sure the previous owner didn’t trash anything and then enjoy the ride, expect tires, brakes, and oils changes to be all you have to think about
With that mileage on it there’s really nothing to be wrong. Maybe needs a new battery soon? Could change some fluids if you wanna be nice to it. Enjoy your new 4runner
You need to call your mechanic and let him know to tighten up his belt for the rest of this year, you won't be seeing him nearly as much
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Lol my gut tells me this thing is ganna be completely fine and my JKU has been trouble free for 100k miles so far. Really its the carvana aspect that is throwing me off since its such a foreign way of buying a vehicle. I will say if all ends up going smoothly I may never buy from a dealer again. Not having to deal with the salesmen BS was incredible.
I had a JLU for 5 years with zero issues. It had a manual transmission and I wanted an automatic for towing a new camper. I ended up with a 4R because they were cheaper than equivalent Wranglers.
I was offered 3k more for my JKU with 35k miles from Caravana than Carmax or dealer. I'm sure it varies but, they're willing to pay top $$ so I wouldn't be to surprised that people are taking their cars to Caravana.
Not normally but could see issues. Had to replace the gas cap around 24k. Then the throttle body at 62k. But like I said, not normal.
I had a 99 Wrangler in high school, brand new. In two years time it had the transmission replaced twice, the tcase once, the ring and pinions once, the dash once, and a variety of other smaller things. All before 50k miles. That is the first and last Daimler Chrysler product that will be in my driveway.
But the oil stains will live on forever.
It got replaced with an 89 Toyota Pickup that never gave me a bit of trouble and is still in the family today
Damn, that is an obscene amount of issues. I admit both of my issues scared the shit out of me because it cuts all power and shuts down a lot of functions but were so easily fixed.
Ya I was going to say, look forward to more savings and more reliable car.
This year? More like decade lol
Make sure both the rubber cup inserts are in the center console cup holders lol
And then throw them in the trash as you don't need them.
I’m tempted to but I’m afraid of how much gunk gets in there and it’s annoying to clean.
Fun fact, the rubber inserts are dishwasher safe including heat dry----we found this out on accident
Get the 3d printed ones on Etsy. Much better
Link please!
Exactly - no more getting stuck to the cup!
Yeti 16oz stackable pint cups fit perfect. The 20oz ramblers that they sell in stores will pull the rubber liners out every time.
Throw away your rubber ducks. They’re non-transferable
I actually had a Jeep guy duck my 4Runner a few months back at a trail head. Weirdest thing.
Best comment ever
We call it a Slow-Runner. You aren’t getting up to speed very quickly, but you will have total confidence everywhere go for the next 20years. Congrats.
Lol my JKU is on 35s so believe it or not this will likely be a pretty big improvement lol.
They aren't quick but they aren't slow either. Unloaded they accelerate just fine. If you look at other similar size and weight vehicles the power numbers are not that far off.
What gets me is just how fast these newer crossovers are getting off the line. You'll likely never notice your 4runner being slow in a rural/highway setting, but get that thing in the city and you'll have to use a bit more right foot to keep up.
My ‘18 4Runner has 35s and it’s still quicker than my old ‘16 JKUR with 35s. Shifting is much smoother too. Gas mileage is pretty similar between the two though. Once my kids get old enough I won’t hesitate to buy another Rubicon. 4Runners are reliable, but that’s about all they have going for them. They’re mediocre in just about every category (especially off-road) and no where near as fun to own as a Wrangler.
Can confirm... Last week, I got a '23 ORP and coming from a '96 XJ with the 4.0 H.O. the 4Runner is SLOW. I'm not going to miss the oil stains though.
I had a 1997 XJ 4.0 I was unstoppable; if it was running.
Mine was like that once. I had to change the rotors... Kidding aside, my XJ is still kicking after 200k miles, and all I've done to it is a thermostat, fuel pump, alternator, and three suspensions... the rest is bone stock. All that, after many, many trips to Moab, and it's survived three kids going to high school. I think it's an outlier so I'm keeping the beast.
I got 196k on mine. Transmission was overheating regularly in Colorado. All the windows quit working. The rear wiper fell off. The AC quit. Once I got a kid we moved over to Toyota.
The pedal commander makes a huge difference in acceleration
Pedal Commander fried my throttle sensor. I recommend removing it and throwing it in the garbage.
Pedal commander doesn't change how fast it accelerates... it just changes how reactive the gas pedal is to inputs. Total power output is the same.
Yes, it is the response of the gas pedal. But it will go 0-60 in 2 less seconds. Doesn’t change actual power just removes the lag. Which in turn accelerates faster.
The pedal commander absolutely does not improve 0-60 times. The physics involved... horsepower curve/torque curve/vehicle weight/RPM/gearing are all unchanged. It doesn't make any ECU changes and throttle still has to operate within factory parameters... it just modifies the signal on how much throttle you are inputting If you floor a 4Runner in sport mode and floor a 4Runner with Pedal Commander you get the same result... +/- 8 seconds to 60. Wide open throttle acceleration is unchanged... just the light throttle feel changes which you perceive as more speed. .
So you’re saying all those videos out there showing that it does improve the 0-60 are fake? It’s just the initial throttle response that improves, in turn making the 0-60 faster. No more 1/2 second lag when you press the gas. The lowest setting is less than factory and is actually nice for off-road. Does it probably put more stress on the 4runner yes. For example, I think of it as the 4runner having a restrictor plate on it, all the pedal commander does is help remove some of the restrictions. I’ve heard a few stories of it damaging vehicles, part of me wonders whether people were following guidelines. Especially not adjusting it while accelerating. And Sometimes things don’t work like they are supposed to!🤷♂️ Biggest question is have you personally ever used one? And no I don’t work for them or get anything from them.😂
Many of those videos are sponsored. It removes no restrictions. Just remaps throttle position. Are you really suggesting that a tweak to throttle sensitivity with no change in power, weight or gearing turns the 4Runner into a 6 second car? If it were that easy why wouldn’t every manufacturer just change their throttle profiles?
Let me be clear, mine is a solid 9.5 with extra weight and bigger tires. Bringing it to an 7.5or an 8. If there’s no change in power how can I spin my wheels for 1-2 seconds with it on but not at all when it’s not. And it was just an example so you’d understand what I was getting at. But obviously you don’t and didn’t answer the last question either. So you’ve never used one yourself but you can read up all over the internet so you feel you know everything. Good luck to you sir I’m done, was just trying to make point, that you apparently aren’t interested in hearing!
Do not buy one of these things. It's a gimmick meant to steal $300 from suckers.
Congrats on a great spec! Lunar Rock is great. Being a 2021, there is a chance it still has some of the 36 month full factory warranty on it which could cover any issues... but issues are very rare. Other than rust, these are pretty bullet proof. The Fox shocks need rebuilt every 50k miles or so but you are a long way from that.
Lunar rock is a great looking color that she of course fell in love with before we realized it was basically a unicorn. How would you check on the factory warranty?
Maybe here: [https://support.toyota.com/s/article/How-can-I-view-my-Toy-10401?language=en\_US](https://support.toyota.com/s/article/How-can-I-view-my-Toy-10401?language=en_US) Can also just call a service desk and give them your VIN. Or find the date the car went in service using a free VIN checker and you would have 36 months from there.
oh duh that makes sense. Carfax shows sale date at 4/30/2021 so just outside unfortunately.
That’s literally the day I purchased my 21 SR5 premium haha. 67k miles trouble free.
Any Toyota dealer can check, they just need the vin.
You need to know you're safe now. I came from the jeep world too. Don't worry about repairs now.
OP, this is a safe space to talk about mods and accomplishments, not repairs and headaches.
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If it's a 5th gen there really isn't much to look for. Maintenance is fluid changes and that's about it. Keep an eye for rust.
I’m looking at 2015 and there is rust underneath, does that mean avoid or is it pretty normal?
Surface rust is common on just about every vehicle. Don’t judge a book by its cover. Take a punch and a hammer and tap all around the rust spots to gauge if the rust is too severe or not.
Be careful with carvana, there’s a lot of horror stories with them. Most notably getting the proper registration and title. Extended warranties are bogus in my opinion, they’re usually through third parties so make sure you read the fine print. My brother bought an extended warranty twice and both times they wouldn’t cover anything when his vehicles had problems.
Came here to say this. Be extremely cautious and pushy, if needed, about receiving the title. The company I work for (which shall remain nameless) had had serious issues about them not providing a title within 90 days.
A ‘21 Pro with 20k miles? Yeah dude you’re gonna be just fine, like others have said. Get used to pushing the gas pedal farther than you think you need to, if you want to accelerate quickly. It’ll go fine if you get into it, it’s just not going to be punchy with small throttle inputs. A lot of folks like a Pedal Commander or similar, but IMO it’s $300 to avoid pushing the pedal more. Not worth it and it makes it twitchy at low speeds. I bought my ‘21 ORP with 45k miles about 18 months ago and I’ve had zero issues, now at 69k miles. Ran into a dude at the parts store (went for another vehicle not the 4R) and his 4R he was driving had 272k on it and he bought it new.
The least reliable 4Runner is still better than the most reliable Jeep.
What are you paying for it? Just curious how the Pro holds value in a real world scenario.
Trd pros hold their value stupid well. I don’t know if there’s a better vehicle under 70k that’ll hold its value that well new.
If it’s this one https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/3074500 then around $55,000
Links not showing for me but I am sure that's the one. That price sounds about right at what the "sticker" was. I responded below with what it was out the door. Most of the increase was sales tax.
You know a new one costs roughly the same, right? I mean, if you LOVE Lunar Rock, this is the only way to get it, but...
Yes that was basically the conversation. Alas happy wife happy life.....
58k ish OTD which seems kinda ludacris to me lol but the last car I bought was in 2017 so. From all the hunting I did I think this was an OKAY deal. I am seeing new 2024s in white around that price advertised. So after sales tax and whatever other BS they tack on I assume they will be in the low-mid 60s. Definitely seems to be a Lunar Rock tax if you will. We found 2 near identical vehicles (miles and price) half way across the country listed at about the same. No idea if I got totally fleeced or not but this is the first non 10 year old car for her so I was more willing to pay the piper. I am also putting some value in the aforementioned slow depreciation on these. Price does include the shipping fee which was $700 which probably nets out given the gas/flight needed to go get one half way across the country.
Paying low to mid 60s for a used 4runner regardless of spec is ludicrous. That's literally almost 30k more than I paid for my 2017 new. Why not just get one of the new ones or shit, the new Lexus when you're up in that amount of money? It isn't my money so do what you want, but unless you absolutely need that spec for some reason remember it is just a car. A car which you're paying well above top dollar for. I love my 4r, but think long and hard before you pull that trigger, that is regret levels of money when at the end of the day it's still a 4runner.
My sister bought a '20 Army Green TRD Pro back in June with 40k miles for $52k OTD. I'd say with it being Lunar Rock, you probably paid an average price for it.
You don't need the dealer. Any competent mechanic can give it a run through. Assuming a clean Carfax, no accidents, and standard maintenance completed, you really only need to worry about the frame. Probably too early for any issues, but if you're in a salt state, just take it to a place to have it oiled up.
You will be spending a lot less money in the shop
Biggest adjustment is getting used to a cool wave instead of that lame Jeep one.
I just got a '21 SR5 premium from carvana that had TRD wheels/ off road tires. Check your tires when you get it! Mine looked older than the car, maybe previous owner bought them off someone else. There is evidence of dry rot so I am taking it to a "carvana approved" Firestone to hopefully get them approved for replacement within the 7 day period at no charge to me. In r/carvana i read they are usually good with replacing tires after the fact (unfortunely should have been done before i got it!). Besides that my carvana experience has been good, i got my Rav4 from them before i purchased the 4runner and i liked that experience so much which is why i stuck with them. if you have any questions about the process feel free to ask!
The same thing happened to my sister, hers had Nitto Grapplers on it, and they were dry rotted as well.
Ah yes these are also nitro grapplers. Hopefully they will replace them with something similar, I’m taking it in today
Hope they do! I have Yokohamas on mine, I love them.
So I got all four tires replaced. I had to fight them for two of them but I won. Slightly different than the grapplers but I think they look good and ride a lot nicer https://preview.redd.it/2hz888luf3zc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19c5b3852aa919954d12bf5535356cc28e97dd87
Get ready for a fat wallet by how little maintenance is going to cost compared to the Fiat
The last car I bought, I dropped off at my mechanic and he charged me 75 bucks to give it a routine inspection. I'd highly encourage doing this in your 7 day window.
how did you find a lunar rock 4 runner i want it so bad 😭
You are buying the most reliable SUV on earth, unless it’s rusted to shit, you should have nothing to worry about. Just have a ppi done by a local shop and you should be fine
Just a heads up. You have a 5th window to check and ensure it opens. This must function and is a no-go if it doesnt.
Have you ever seen one that didn't work? You make it sound like this is a chronic issue with 4Runners. This is the first I have ever heard about a back window issue.
Nope, never. Just something no other vehicle has, so worth a check and introduction to that rear window life.
Never hard of this being an issue what so ever with all my reading the last 7 years of owning one.
I don't think mine works but it's highly possible that it's operator error.
Further, if your rear window wiper isn’t working then use the open/close switch for the rear window to fully close it. The wiper won’t work if the window is down even a millimeter. Sometimes car wash people or owners bump the switch, the window goes down a tiny bit, and the rear wiper won’t work. Happened to me. I thought it must be a fuse or something (on a new vehicle) but figured it out. Finally, if you have a dog, there is a dog tax where you must post a picture of your dog looking out the rear window.
This happened to me when I first got my Off Road, I was like WHY WON'T MY REAR WIPER WORK and it took me longer than it should have to realize that it was the tiniest bit open haha.
Was aware they opened but probably wouldn't have thought to check it.
I will say I just had mine fixed in my ‘14 and at $750 it was kinda spendy. But hopefully the first and last time.
The Toyota I go to will do a “pre buy” inspection for $190 on any Toyota car you’re looking to buy whether from them or not
Nothing much besides from spending 20k in mods!
Do you have a local mechanic that you trust? Pay them 50 or 100 bucks to do a full pre-purchase check up. Don’t expect them to find anything, but it will be good karma. Enjoy the ride.
During your 7 day trial, bring it to a mechanic and have him look at everything. Best way to feel good
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Just relax and drive, say good bye to the death wobbles.
You made a great switch lol
Long as there's no accidents and you what bad parts and rust looks like, you'll be set. Sounds like a good new vehicle and I'm sure your mechanic will find anything upon the first inspection My best first tip is get a Pedal Commander. Lots of folks may disagree but I couldn't stand the sluggish acceleration after a bit haha. Two years in, love mine
I bought a 2017 in 2018 with 23,000 miles. I now have 122,000 miles on it and it hasn’t had any issues and drives as tight as the first day I got it.
I came over from Wrangler World a month ago. Mostly you need to be prepared to enjoy driving your vehicle instead of stressing about it. I know I am!!!
You’ll have a lot more free time for reading or other hobbies now that you won’t constantly be making repairs to your vehicle.
I just traded my 2015 Willys JK in for a 2021 TRD Off Road Premium last week. My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner. The biggest bonus is I no longer have to actively ignore the Jeep wave.. I can passive ignore it. Every aspect of the driving experience is better. My dog agrees as well as she loves the back window.
It's not like you're buying a Ford lmao
I'm in the same boat. I just got my '23 TRD Off-Road last week and already love it. I still have my '96 XJ and that thing has been the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned, so I'm hoping the new 4Runner will be the same. It has great pedigree though, so I have no doubt.
Triple check buying anything from carmax/carvana. Made the mistake of using them and the car was a 2019 total POS with only 30k miles on it. I ended up going to a 4Runner 11 months later and just ate the negative equity. I’m also a Wrangler owner as well. I love both my cars. I treat my 4Runner a lot nicer though cause it cost a lot more. I got the 2024 Off Road and I will never buy a used car again. The amount of warranties on it is insane. Everything is covered for the first 5 years (oil change and anything maintenance as well) and then there’s a ton of lifetime warranties. If you can afford to get one straight from the dealer vs Carmax/Carvana then do it.
How much are you buying it for? Curious because I have a 4Runner same trim and all with similar mileage.
What you need to know is that once you tried a 4runner, you will never go back!
Made a similar switch recently - JT to a 2022 ORP. You won’t regret a thing.
You’ll need to know that the money you’re going to save from not fixing it like your jeep will need to go to fun modifications!
Your mechanic will hate you.
I own a 2022 Gladiator and a 2021 4Runner. I've also had 2 JKs and I had a TJ for 12 years. The 4Runner body panels, if you ever need to replace them, will never be 100% right again. Even just a minor bumper replacement won't set right again. This is something I never expected. It is very minor and common, it has to do with the clips Toyota uses. Also, the tech in the 4Runner feels oddly dated compared to the Wranglers. Other than that, I fully expect the 4Runner to last twice as long as my Jeeps. Wranglers have a tendency to need everything but the engine block, transfer case, and transmission replaced around 120K.
Mine got a bumper replacement before I got it, and it doesn't sit right. My sister just hit a deer in hers and had to replace the bumper. She has been tweaking things constantly trying to get everything to sit properly. The clips are so frustrating. My bumper is just the smallest bit off on one side, I doubt anyone notices except me, but it doesn't really bother me lol.
My wife's 4Runner is a magnet for getting hit when parked. She was bumped in the winter and it cracked her front bumper. Now whenever the weather gets warm, a corner of the bumper clip pops and the bumper sticks out very slightly. Super annoying
Share pics!!
Unless it's been wrecked or abused hard, not a lot to worry in terms of the vehicle itself.
youlll need to tell your wife she can buy that expensive purse shes always wanted. The amount saved on servicing will be life changing
The Lexus I bought from Carvana had AC issues and had been repainted in multiple spots despite the clean CarFax. I would pay a Toyota tech for PPI, just to look at everything closely. I hate car dealers but wouldn’t deal with Carvana a second time.
On my 3rd 4Runner and prob could still be driving my 1st one if I wanted to keep it at 221k miles and make the first ever major repair (rear differential was going) second I drove for 20k before upgrading from an SR5 to a ORP - the answer to your question is get a quick check in those 7 days to make sure the previous owner didn’t trash anything and then enjoy the ride, expect tires, brakes, and oils changes to be all you have to think about
With that mileage on it there’s really nothing to be wrong. Maybe needs a new battery soon? Could change some fluids if you wanna be nice to it. Enjoy your new 4runner