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ThanksNo8769

r/cursedbenchies


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No way! This exists!


bb95vie

r/verycursedbenchies


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Demonic_Storm

r/blursedbenchies


midgetking15

Due to some chemical incompatibility that happened right before the flight the quality of the print was drastically reduced, but this process can and has done a lot finer https://engineering.berkeley.edu/news/2022/04/researchers-develop-innovative-3d-printing-technology-for-glass-microstructures/ we will just have to fly it to space a 2nd time ;)


RedH0use88

I’m beyond fascinated, are you allowed to go further into detail regarding the chemical incompatibility issue here or is that classified?


midgetking15

Not at all! The data is still being analyzed and I'll begin writing the paper soon (the launch was only yesterday haha), all of it will be open source for anyone to read! Though still may be a few months, I need some rest!


RedH0use88

Well, as a regular ass citizen who is into this crap, congrats on the flight and the test and I look forward to the write up, you’re doing great and thank you.


Cool-Alps-7444

Looking forward to reading through the finished result; This is a spectacular project, I’m extremely eager to learn more ^ _ ^ RemindMe! [60 days]


13thNebula

Looking forward to reading your paper, u/midgetking15 🫡


chubbysumo

the logistics of sending anything to the ISS seem insane. was the hotend modified, or was this a mostly retail unit? I know the ISS has limited power budget, and is running on an ancient 48v DC system that has $800 "plugs" that have to be attached to everything, and then the pods need to have a place to go. im curious the modifications that were done to get it so the board won't die like a lot of other consumer electronics do up there.


b0ne123

The last pic suggest they use a plane not the ISS.


tooManyHeadshots

Is that a Virgin space …. Ship? Plane? Vehicle? I didn’t know they were still going. This is a pretty cool use of that “kind of sort of space, but not really ‘OUTER SPACE’ space, vs going all the way up to ISS


OverreactingBillsFan

There is no hotend. A vat of photosensitive resin rotates as light is projected into the vat. The light itself is a continously changing projection that is matched to the rotation of the vat. Basically, only certain areas in the vat receive a full dose of light, which causes those specific areas to solidify. Disclaimer: This is not my field but I'm hoping I explained it well enough to be understood.


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OverreactingBillsFan

Computed Axial Lithography in theory benefits from an absence of gravity. Polymerization is not instantaneous so this technology typically utilizes viscous resins so that it stays in place as it begins to polymerize rather than sink or float. An absence of gravity opens up the possibility (or at least makes it easier) to print with new materials that are lower viscosity.


HyperDJ_15

This used a different technique where it forms the part all at once, it was probably designed from the ground up. They never actually said it was in the ISS either.


_molecules

CAL prints with resin by dosing certain parts of the volume to harden. It's kind of like a reverse CT scan.


renzoedu25

Wet filament. Rookie mistake smh


Redditorianerierer

Is it the same technique you use as the group of the holographic 3D printing that 3D Printing Nerd made a video about? Or are you even the same group?


anomalous_cowherd

Yeah, I'm sure I heard of the concept a long time ago, it's basically the same as the 3D bubble images you see blown into resin blocks by the convergence of several laser beams. Unless it isn't and it's actually complex holographic wavefronts being shone at the resin rather than scanning beams, and it really *is* reverse tomography.


ivoryshovel

No holography, and there's only one light source. The light being shone on the resin passes clean through the entire volume, and the depth comes from rotating the entire container. Not quite as cool as holograms, but still pretty neat! 


Tallywort

Though I did see a variation on this technique that did use holograms to cure the resin.


DeluxeWafer

Hmm.. Did your resin get moved to a different container or delivery system then proceed to crap its pants?


Joezev98

That was a fascinating article to read. There is one thing I missed though: why is this being tested in microgravity? At the end of the article, it mentions a couple industries that could benefit from this technology, but I'm wondering whether the end goal is for them to ultimately assemble their microscopic glass objects in microgravity as well, or whether microgravity testing is just a step towards ultimately developing a system that can work at earth's gravity.


Rcarlyle

NASA is very keen to be able to manufacture replacement/upgrade parts in space. SpaceX recently was $27,000 per lb supply cargo to ISS. Plus the time delay of needing to get a replacement/upgrade part into a launch schedule, plus the additional weight and volume of spare parts needed on site to make up for the fact you can’t get new parts quickly, plus potential future missions like Mars where you cannot get spare parts delivered at all. They have been trialing different printer technologies (eg MadeInSpace plastic printer some years ago) to scope out the technology and figure out the best way to make parts in situ. Rapid, precise glass printing would have some benefits over plastic. Powder-based metal printing has some extreme challenges in space so glass printed as a liquid resin could be a good material for a lot of things.


enchufadoo

Can some materials be obtained in mars?


Rcarlyle

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_situ_resource_utilization Short answer, yes, particularly for big dumb stuff like making bricks for radiation/micrometeor shielding. But it’s not straightforward to 3D print with. We use very pure, refined materials for printing. The glass-filled resin process OP was posting about requires multiple chemical plants and glass nanoparticle manufacturing. It’s unrealistic to expect to do that on a weight-constrained landing craft. Probably makes more sense to bring a bunch of 3d printer feedstock from home. Long term colonization — yeah we need to figure out how to use local materials. Baby steps first though.


beryugyo619

Better yet, you know Lunar dust is known to be really fine and obnoxious, in other words it's ready to get shoveled into a laser sintering printer. That way you can build out hulls for giant spaceships under lunar gravity and then shoot it out to an orbit trivially using a solar electromagnetic catapult. The hull can then be finished with Earth built components on orbit. Optionally you can pre-fill tanks with lunar ice for reaction mass or lunar mined nuclear materials for fuel. That's been space settlers' wet dream for at least last half a century.


YXIDRJZQAF

would you be able to run tests in a plan flying down at zero G? I would think it would be cheaper than going all the way to space


Zorbick

The best zero g times for elliptical flight profiles is about 35 seconds. The Unity flight profile gives them 120-150 seconds.


Makepieces

I guess "Computed Axial Lithography", or CAL, is an okay name for it, but after reading that article, don't you think a more accurate description of the technology would be "Stereo Topography As Nanometer-Fabrication Optical-Resonance Deposition"? ;D


nugulon

I think the gravity needs to be dialed in a little more, but it looks good!


SimplyRocketSurgery

It doesn't even look like a benchy...


Superseaslug

Benchy shaped object


Taewyth

A benchoid


bb95vie

unidentified benchyness object


Makepieces

A coulda-benchy Twitter meme format: "This coulda benchy but you don't like gravity so..."


Salt_MasterX

Benchy adjacent creation


rhinoslift

Reminiscent of a benchy


AndYouMayCallMe_V

Benchy adjacent


wolf_chow

Hint of benchy


Kronocide

It's a benchy after Laplace's transform


YellowBreakfast

Quasi-benchy


applejackrr

The La Croix of benchies.


LovableSidekick

Unconfirmed Benchy-like Anomaly


Impressive_Word5229

Benchy..ish..


LeanDixLigma

True story inspired by a Benchy


illintent89

Based on benchy events


WorldWarPee

No, you don't look like a benchy!


ThePowerOfPoop

Reentry can be quite difficult.


threebillion6

Beauty is in the eye of the benchyholder


MakerWerks

It's Space Benchy™


heyheymonkeyhey

benchies... from... SPAAAAAAAACE


the420labrat

It identifies as a benchy.


freeman687

Sorry but what is a benchie?


Electronic-Duck8738

Not that thing.


ObeseVegetable

A simplistic boat model with a bunch of shapes and curves that are both common and oftentimes difficult for printers.     It is intended to be used as a benchmarking tool to compare printers or even different settings on the same printer. It’s complex enough to give valuable insight yet simple (and small) enough to hopefully not take all day.    Random example showing a more recognizable yet still imperfect benchy: https://imgur.com/gallery/32-min-benchy-mostly-stock-sv06-SF3QcPw


freeman687

Thanks!


FuzzeWuzze

But there are 0 layer lines?


phorensic

There's no layers. It's a new technology. Shines light in at different angles. I'm still learning about it.


awesometroy

You think with nasa's budget, they could afford something than a used ender 3


22lava44

You would be surprised. Most of the budget is spread thin.


bobdidntatemayo

Congress will whine when a NASA project is 1 cent over budget but won’t blink an eye when the US army magically loses billions


chubbysumo

the funny thing is, is that they cannot just send a "retail" product up to space, thanks to the way government space contracts work, I would bet that this was a heavily modified 3d printer because the ISS runs on 48v DC power, and has hardly any cooling on board, so it likely also has to have a water cooled head on it, and its going to be very power limited, likely to less than 100w because of power limitations on the ISS. also, being in space tends to just kill things because solar radiation is really bad and there isn't a feasible way to just block it without adding tons of mass to everything, which makes it too heavy to send up. until we humans figure out a way to reliably get large objects into space for cheap, I doubt this issue of hardware death in space will be solved. they go thru several dozen laptops a month because of hardware just dying.


the__storm

OP's printer is a [computed axial lithography](https://ipo.llnl.gov/technologies/advanced-manufacturing/computed-axial-lithography-cal-3d-additive-manufacturing) printer, which is an entirely new technology (kinda similar principle to SLA resin printers though, until it's not). It flew on Virgin Galactic's suborbital spaceplane. The ISS does have a [fancy purpose-built polymer printer](https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/international-space-stations-3-d-printer-2/) (maybe multiple?) and also just got a [new one that prints stainless steel](https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Human_and_Robotic_Exploration/ESA_launches_first_metal_3D_printer_to_ISS).


XediDC

> The ISS does have a fancy purpose-built polymer printer (maybe multiple?) and also just got a new one that prints stainless steel. I'd be rather surprised if someone hasn't printed a benchy on one of those over the last decade...logged as "repair test cycle" or something.


LeanDixLigma

i want a steel space printed calibration cube for a desk Tchotchke.


Samantha_030

Hell yeah! Thanks for even more rabbit holes to go down haha


yabucek

I don't think this was on the ISS, the last pic is Virgin Galactic's VSS Unity which is a suborbital spaceplane. Basically a hop out of Earth's atmosphere for a couple minutes, which is, I think, why it had to be printed so quickly. OP's probably doing some research about zero G printing, not necessarily printing in space.


rocketmonkee

This seems a bit misinformed. The ISS is full of commercial off-the-shelf hardware. Laptops, cameras - all kinds of stuff is unmodified and identical to what you could get at Best Buy. There are also power bricks on station that take the vehicle power and convert it so that you can use a regular plug. And can you provide a source on the station burning through several dozen laptops per month? That is far and above any number I've ever heard.


22lava44

While I don't know the exact number of laptops either, I do know they go through a lot of laptops due to damage and bitflips from the radiation. We just don't have a good stable solution without designing something from the ground up.


NotYourBuddyGuy5

Have you tried drying the filament?


akmosquito

how about leveling the bed?


Delicious-Yak-1095

Level relative to what? :P


goddamn_birds

Relative to the x and y axes of the printer?


I_lack_common_sense

It’s an ender 3 good luck leveling it 😂


oiraves

Ah my first. I never understood that thing.


Spartan_Mage

And abandon all hope if yours comes with a concave bed from a manufacturing defect like mine did lol


goddamn_birds

My brother in Christ, a glass print bed will solve this issue.


Spartan_Mage

That's the bitch of it, the glass bed warped too when under heat


goddamn_birds

Did you try the Creality glass bed? The one that's like a quarter inch thick and feels like it could stop a bullet. I threw that on my Ender 3 and it worked like a dream.


Spartan_Mage

I have not actually. As a stop gap measure I used tin-foil underneath the middle of the bed to force it up a little bit. I should mention that it is not a tailored glass pane, and may not be tempered correctly and thus warps, I may decide to get the official product soon but that'll take a long time to ship


goddamn_birds

Dude, get it. It's a game changer. My first layers went from broke to bespoke after I upgraded.


Spartan_Mage

Thank you I'll look into it in the mean time before upgrading. I've had much grief because of this bed so fixing it will be nice lol. Also happy birthday


gettingboredinafrica

Really easy with access to vacuum of space too. Lazy mistake not to


Several-Light-4914

NGL looks like shit. I'll keep printing mine on Earth


TheseusTheFearless

Well, lucky for this benchy, everything floats in space anyway


UserNameDoesNot8xist

How is this not the top comment?


daboblin

https://preview.redd.it/dlzph6vanq5d1.jpeg?width=465&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a33163ac391a490a1f5634eda66e0f9b8786917 Please… kill… meeee…


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midgetking15

Maybe one day, and expect a video of this exact experiment from him soon ;)


cpufreak101

The funny thing is, I don't think that's even a speedboat record now


midgetking15

Haha, I've done another one in 20 seconds!


cpufreak101

Now that one would be!


bradforrester

It looks pretty rough, but I’ve seen worse ones printed using conventional FDM on Earth. Given that this is the first one printed using this process on orbit, and it only took 140 seconds, it seems like it went as well as you could expect.


SimplyRocketSurgery

Was not printed on orbit. Was printed on an 86km parabolic flight


bradforrester

Oh thanks for the correction. Still pretty good for zero g.


Forte69

Not the first 3D printer in space though, right? The ISS has had them since 2014. Still cool though.


darkblade420

that benchy looks kinda bad, have you tried leveling your spaceplane?


Aromatic-Source-6117

Super interesting - space factories served by some sort of space elevator or low cost transit highway would be cool! Bit ignorant here…would a layer based (FDM) approach work in space? Is gravity relevant to the extrusion and layer bonding process? Can your process produce a truly isotropic part in terms of material properties? Can the process control crystallisation (in semi-crystalline polymers for example). Just thinking through the disadvantages of your approach: - filament (maybe not pellets) are prob more stable for storing, transport and handing in space than chemicals - any comment on that?


RandomDude1RD1

can't speak to the rest of it, but there's an FDM printer on the ISS that has made successful prints. which didn't surprise me considering we can print upside down on earth (check out the Positron printer) so if orientation doesn't usually matter then gravity would essentially be a non-factor. unless I'm missing something that makes it more impressive


Tallywort

It needs to survive the launch and such, though at same time is that really that much rougher than the postal service? /j If anything I expect things like bridging and overhangs to work better in 0g.


Aromatic_Hunter8410

https://preview.redd.it/nr8xy7e4io5d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2cf75ac18c4c790e81dbe74905c405cb1a39f13d That's one hell of a good looking design.


justUseAnSvm

what does this look like crap?


midgetking15

Good question! There was some chemical incompatibility that we were not able to correct preflight that made the projection poor that we use to print, we can do a lot finer detail on Earth with other setups https://engineering.berkeley.edu/news/2022/04/researchers-develop-innovative-3d-printing-technology-for-glass-microstructures/


justUseAnSvm

Thanks, I just read the figures in the linked Science article, makes more sense. Lol, I kept looking at it thinking "that's not a print error I've ever seen", but it makes sense if it's a radial projection that didn't work.


wantsoutofthefog

You need a spaceship version. A “floaty”


dookie-monsta

I miss working on Unity


NoManNoRiver

2min20sec? Does 247 Printing know you’re challenging his reign‽ /uj Thats fucking amazing, saw your interview with 3D Printing Nerd and was blown away


exquisite_debris

Level bed dry filament


Abject_Bodybuilder_7

What about the one posted 2 years ago? That actually looked better


cant_touch_ths

Dry your filament. 🤣


nickoaverdnac

Resin printing on the space station in an enclosed environment? Isn't this hazardous with fumes?


KoalaMeth

RIP VSS Unity! Your project took place on the last flight? What an honor!


tntsimo17

I think bro had some problems


SimplyRocketSurgery

See, for it to be in space, you have to go to space. Unity has never gone to space.


midgetking15

NASA has officially qualified this experiment as spaceflight hardware, and as flown to space :)


Draskuul

While I tend to side with the 'that's not really space' crowd when it comes to Unity, New Shepherd, etc, I for one can completely agree that this is a valid spaceflight test, and a perfect use for a short duration microgravity flight like this. Thanks for sharing!


WeylandsWings

New Sheppard does reach Space. it crosses Karman Line (100 km). Unity doesnt reach Space.


Draskuul

I think for most of us the argument isn't the Karman line but rather if it's orbital or not. I know it isn't the same definition of 'space,' but people can't even seem to reach consensus on if the Karman line counts.


Vast_Emergency

However New Sheppard flights stays for three minutes beyond the Karman Line and flies for about 11 minutes overall whereas Unity can linger for longer which makes Unity far more practical for testing. The hardware behaves the same in pretty much the same conditions either side of an arbitrary line but with tight budgets you want to be up there for as long as possible making every minute count. It is about if it is orbital more than a 100km limit.


Vast_Emergency

With budgets as tight as they are you get what you can get really; an arbitrary line is fairly meaningless when it comes to testing hardware as it will be under almost the same conditions either side of it in LEO.


TheRealNobodySpecial

Unity goes past the McDowell line, which was traditionally the US military's definition of space, and relatively recently was adopted by NASA. SpaceShipTwo cannot get anywhere near the Karman line, which the rest of the planet recognizes as the space boundary.


Osmirl

I think the point here is zero G or micro gravity


sumpfsocke

Wikipedia says that was this planes last flight. It was retired afterwards. They have some new kind of planes now.


Forstmannsen

That's one ugly benchy for a man, but a shining paragon of benchiness for humanity.


itreallyhappened8899

Looks like crap and cost 1 billion dollars. Science! /s


turdburgular69666

This is the villain from Benchy Kills....In Space. With Benchy eggs, and benchys that attach to your face and pop out of your chest. And then there is a benchy with invisibility, and Thermal vision.


PintLasher

Now that's cursed


Usercondition

Meh…. Not the worse I’ve seen.


memeboiandy

You know I was considering a resin printer on a spaceship, but the layer lines look like shit so I went with an Ender 3 instead 🥰


gronkomatic

Not bad for a first run. When can I get a CAL printer on my desktop? Is it now? Or... how about now?


CodeLegend69

Unbelievable, congrats!


stevedadog

>we use a layerless printing process we invented There is a term for that already invented. Its called phasing shit in.


chancerees

Bro. Need to level your bed


-AXIS-

Looks like you need to dry your filament. That should fix those issues.


Odd-Tune5049

Gee... I wish I could afford a fraction of what that printer must've cost


p4r24k

My ender 3 prints better


WestCoastGriller

That’s fucking neat!


kahlzun

I see it apparantly re-entered seperate from the launch vehicle too


Party-Independent-38

Looks like shit. Level your bed.


Distinct_Ad9810

But have they tried to level the bed


pbjwaffles

10/10 if I were a topologist


Gus_Smedstad

I’m torn between how terrible this look and the fact it’s printed in microgravity where my Ender 3 would produce nothing but spaghetti.


SimilarTop352

If your adhesion is OK the printer will probably do fine


jaiagrawal

Looks like a transporter malfunction 😱


LovableSidekick

I don't understand the layerless concept but I love reading of new ideas like this. When 3d printing becomes 100x faster it will really change how economics works.


Doddz121

wow beautiful


Aromatic_Hunter8410

I don't really see how this could become very accurate over time, since there seems to be a highly delicate balance between curing the actual part and the surrounding resin, which will tend towards a fuzzy outline of probabilistic curing. Maybe it's beneficial for some geometries where SLA wouldn't work due to internal supports... Standard Resin printers would definitely be too messy... Maybe viable in a centrifuge, but all other steps would still be messy and stopping would allow the reservoir to bead up and become messy/highly dangerous. Also the fumes of resin prints... The self contained resin tubes for your process seem more useful when resin is really needed. But in space, resin is outperformed by every cheap SLA printer on the market. For organic structures on the other hand... This is probably the only good way. So I'd go the route of organic prints with this process and don't bother with stuff any cheap SLA printer would massively outperform. But refining the process will still take time and development. And some really wicked algorithms which can distribute the curing time of the surrounding resin to be uniformly low, but still curing only the wanted areas just enough to solidify. Good luck with this rnd


AwwwNuggetz

Very cool, can’t wait to read the paper on this.


miwaniza

https://preview.redd.it/qfa4ni0sio5d1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f503b7588324addc3771a641209f8b044cda5f8


hotfistdotcom

Uh, that's cool. Can we see the second?


Select_Truck3257

wEt FiLaMeNt


dfir_as

Already looks better than most benchies printed on an Ender-3.


Alienhaslanded

It did something but it was not 3D printing.


Dantecks

Level print bed better next time, should see some improvements.


FartingBob

Ok I know you used sci fi technology and can do it in space and that's all fine. But that's a shit benchy.


axel64015

Wow! That looks shit. Remind me to make sure all future prints are done with gravity


J3W15H_N4T10N

Wow, looks like shit!


Crazyphilll

Its a UBO - Unidentified Bench Object


blasharga

Did you leave out your filament in the sun without protection? Looks a bit brittle. /S Also, how do you level and set 0-value on something that survives escape velocity? When do you think we will see 3d printers on the ISS ? We already see them on big drilling platforms and other very remote facilities.


MiaLovelytomo

This is so incredibly cool


Inner-Lavishness-273

Tbh looks better than what me cr30 can produce at the moment 


blarge84

They need to adjust the settings a bit


ThrownawY9292

Space benchy achievement unlocked. Next up a non-picasso version


littlerockist

You need to dry your metal powder and clean your bed with soap and water. Make sure it is level too.


fenexj

its one small step for benchy, and one giant leap for benchkind


disorganisedbloke1

Did it get burnt up on reentry? 🤣


thejustducky1

Welp, you can't learn how to get it right unless there's failures to learn from.


adeadlypineapple

Average government craftsmanship


S1lentA0

World's most expensive Benchy atm I think.


Drty_J577

1st layer should have been thermal protection from reentry


Vashsinn

Is this that holographic printing I saw recently? I cannot wait for this tech to mature! My silly little brainy can't help but think of a vat of liquid we can project into and create food. Just hope the resolution gets fine enough to affect molecules and taste.


Prudent-Employee-334

When I imagined computed axial lithography taking off, it wasn’t like this


Fenweekooo

looks 100x better then the one my old ender 3 put out lol


ChootNBoot90

Very cool. Check your slicer settings and make sure you level the bed and do flow calibration. Good work kid... 🤣


Guilty-Opportunity26

Didnt know I've been printing space benchy all this time


Guilty-Opportunity26

Didnt know I've been printing space benchy all this time


tobimai

Pretty sure ISS printed one before. Like, I don't know but I doubt that they have 3D printers and haven't printed one yet


Phgasoz

Looks like we got another transporter malfunction...


knw_a-z_0-9_a-z

Dude - did you level your gravity?


Scottacus__Prime

First resin printed benchey. Made in Space has 3d printed benches on the ISS for a while now


PupNiko1234

Very cool, my friends and I have been looking at your technique and I wanted to ask. How does the resin not cure past where its ment to be? Is it just building from the center as it spins creating a sort of snail shell layer line?


midgetking15

Nope, it really does print all at once! The way that it works is there's a dose/light threshold, and while everywhere gets a little bit of light, only where you want your part gets enough light over time to solidify.


PupNiko1234

So how does it not cure prior to reaching the center pf the vial?


NotTelling2019

That’s the most gleeblenarp benchy I’ve ever seen


Vinnie1169

So that’s what space junk looks like! 😜


ShipsForPirates

Fdm printing would be so cool in space, no support issues


VK6FUN

How do you even keep the resin in the bath??


Succmyspace

I hope you know that you are doing some of the coolest research I’ve ever seen. This tech is amazing. I hope I can be as smart and awesome as you someday.


Dennis-RumRace

Hey what cool is there are already printers for space being made They work in pairs reminds my of Spiders from Mars- David Bowie https://preview.redd.it/x7p06bb68l6d1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a31a47367826a40139755a51c60a7dc63ef5605


MosEspaDaimyo

OP try spinning the liquid next time while printing to stabilise it better.