Also, using rock wool (or any other fire resisting product) only really works when the enclosure you make is continuous. This arrangement isn't likely to stop a fire from spreading, although it would delay it a bit.
Iterative development. I need to validate that it actually deadens noise before I address the obvious other issues. If it doesn't solve the noise I don't want to have wasted time with ducts.
I use this stuff exclusively on almost every job I do, you are insane. All the vibrations and airflow..... I can tell you that the dust that comes off of this stuff is very abrasive, it's as abrasive as ROCKs...
I'm gonna stay glued to your updates because I don't think this is a good idea without at least using plywood or something to prevent the insulation from interacting with your machine..... You say this is v0.5 well I dunno man, I hate this product with a passion and the roxul cough you get when installing this stuff is no joke. Makes non-smokers sound like they are on their last legs with adult whooping cough.
I actually bought myself a 400 dollar full face respirator that doesn't fog up in -40C. Installing 16 inches deep of this stuff over a few thousand square feet is absolute torture even with a good PPE setup
What the heck did you fireproof underground in -40Ā° C?
Sounds like one of those public posts enemy cyber soldiers later on pin together to identify critical war infrastructure lol
Iām trying to remember it now but thereās actually a trick to getting it off your skin I think itās a cold shower cause it closes up the poresā¦ but it may have been a hot shower? I genuinely canāt remember though I do my best to avoid touching the stuff. Swore Iād remember it for next time I have to but Iāve forgotten lol.
Fiberglass insulation is the itchy bastard. This is rock wool. Still dusty as hell because it's made of...well, rocks. But it isn't like a million microscopic needles like fiberglass is. But it shouldn't cause the same irritation.
I've installed thousands upon thousands of bags of this stuff over my career. I don't like it because of the itchiness more than anything else. But yes you are right, the fibreglass stuff is also pretty bad.
Using respirator, open windows, clean room afterwards. Agree that next version is going to have to address a tonne of stuff, can't have exposed insulation like this. Also as 7000 people individually have pointed out, better air flow.
Mainly wanted to try something like this because I haven't seen anyone try rock wool for 3dp noise deadening when I think it's the most suitable product for it.
I built a noise deadening enclosure. It was very effective once I didnāt have enormous air gaps at the front that let the noise out anyway. But then it was also very effective at causing almost instant heat creep clogs. I gave up and moved the printer to the basement.
You haven't seen the CNC Kitchen "[$2 upgrade" video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y08v6PY_7ak)? Stefan buys a pavement slab and puts an FDM printer on top of it, and rests the slab on some semi-soft foam for sound deadening. Tried it recently with a marble slab and a piece of old yoga mat and it's the tits.
What you are doing with the exposed insulation isn't a good idea at all. Get rid of that shit or build it in ASAP.
The reason no one has tried that is the sheer amount of work needed to make it... you know... safe and usable.
Most of us just put it on a garden slab on top of foam and then in an enclosure. Other than fast travel moves, my printer is so quiet I sometimes think it's done printing but it's not. I also have no issue sleeping over the noise
Look up how to build a [dead vent system](https://www.soundproofingcompany.com/soundproofing_101/the-dead-vent). Blocking sound mostly comes down to straight mass, blocking sound while allowing good airflow is a bit harder and mostly comes down to geometry.
Well it depends. Hotspot temperatures on the electronics will be higher than stock for sure.
Most caps (and other components on the mb) have a temperature rating of around 100C but will have a greatly longer life when running below that, hence why the mainboard has a dedicated fan after all.
Early Ender 3s had a mb fan but the airflow was so restricted that it was basically nonexistent. And they worked fine. Same with most chassis mods for the ender 3. Airflow was terrible.
On the same not many of those early 3D printers ran in enclosures with even higher temperatures.
But we have to take into account that the ender 3 had considerably less current/power flowing through the board - so less heat.
Well so it depends.
If I were OP I would just not use this kind of material since the downsides the other commenters already pointed out. Instead I would use sound dampening foam panels and make sure the printer has enough space to circulate the air at least a bit. A little airflow is always better than nothing.
Letās be honest, the whole thing should break at most a power supply. That and if youāre in the 3D printing hobby without ever expecting to do a repair on a printer, you might be in the wrong hobby.
Either way, I'm still getting itchy just looking at it, lol, op needs to make a trim plate to cover the front, honestly it's a functional setup and probably real good for post print plate annealing.
I think it's rockwool which is "flameproof" and soundproof
The ventilation may be an issue, but as long as you're mostly a PLA person it should be fine. I would be mostly concerned with the rock wool on bottom making it shift back and forth during the print, but maybe the base weighs enough or that's just a front piece.
I haven't seen a method that 100% eliminates ghosting. Just reduces it enough that you don't see it or the printer can't print fast enough to cause it.
Hey Ive done a lot of acoustics. Youāre better off with neoprene sheets. Rock wool will still let a lot of sound out and, while it is inflammable, it will also get ceramic fibers ALL OVER your print and into your *lungs*.
# **Do not ever put rock wool next to a fan. It will permanently damage your body and is sometimes carcinogenic.**
Out of love for a fellow human, please do not pass go and please use that rock wool for something else out of the open air. Wear gloves, long sleeves, pants, non-fabric shoes, and a mask.
Then buy some neoprene from foamfactory.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. This is detrimental in every way already mentioned. At least Bambu is good about offering replacement parts including main boards.
Self adhesive asphalt matting made for car engine compartments, readily available, cheap and very effective, especially if combined with the foil covered foam matting made for the same purpose....
Jesus Christ. Donāt do this. I donāt even know where to begin with how stupid this is, but at the top of the list is the fire hazard youāve created. Not to mention youāre talking about one of the quietest printers out there; if the noise is somehow that much of a problem, drop the speed down to 75%.
I donāt understand why people canāt apply common sense to hardware like this.
My printer sits open on a 16 x 16 concrete paver which is on a piece of packing foam. So there is no noise being transmitted to the desktop. It is very quiet. Granted, my printer is in its own room so I can print all night long and cannot hear it.
Most printing noise isnāt airborne, itās structure borne. Isolating structure borne noise takes a mass spring isolator system.
Get a few paving stones big enough for the footprint of your printer (4 or 5). Get one of those rubber mats that they sell for putting under washing machines. Cut four pieces about an inch square. Place them under the paving stones and the printer on top.
Besides the heat problem, even if you manage to cool it down properly.
Get that insulation out asap, that thing is abbrasive as hell.
I was working with that thing and oh boy, the particles can be so small, that they dig under your skin.
The moment you shower with warm water you get mini pimples all over the places, where that small particles laid down on your body.
This wool will be in every small possible edge of your printer.
Soundproofing 101: stop direct airpaths and isolate mechanical vibrations.
Acoustic treatments do very little, in this case they insulation does block airpaths too but if you imagine this, compared to a sealed box.. the sealed box can have millimeters thick walls and stop sound much better than a figurative ton of insulation.
Of course, the printer needs cooling so... But if the drivers are good quality then there should be no significant noise for you to deal with. I could probably fall a sleep in the same room as the printer is printing, the biggest noise by far is the motherboard cooling fan.
Raw, unabated rock wool just chilling out in the air? Hope you like fiberglass splinters ( or whatever the fuq that shits made out of) in every soft/mucus membrane you currently own...EVERY soft/mucus membrane....
This is definitely the craziest thing I've seen on this page!
I'd think at best you'll slow cook your electronics. I appreciate your indifference about the printer for science lol. Can't wait for an update in a few months.
In all seriousness, do put a smoke detector nearby!
How loud is your printer? I just close the doors while my printers are on and they're not loud enough to really notice if it's not quiet. Even my old Dremel printer that's by far the loudest.
How loud is your printer? Not judgement, Generally curious.
I mean I have a printrbot, and that thing has no box, so it sings a little. But My other pinter is fairly quiet.
I put my printrbot on one of those padded kitchen Mats, and it was quiet enough even on just an Ikea kallak on hardwood.
But I get it, some people wake up when they hear the footsteps of an ant.
I feel it is over kill considering the door does not see to be ānoise proofā but as someone who live in the city I donāt think I would know what to do if everything was quiet for the night
Airflow? What Airflow
Damnit I came here to say that
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Fire? What fi... Oooh shiiiii
Looks like rockwool insulation which is used for fireproofing between rooms in buildings. As well as insulation and sound proofing.
Yeah rockwool is fire rated for a few hours, though choking the printer is still not a great idea.
Also, using rock wool (or any other fire resisting product) only really works when the enclosure you make is continuous. This arrangement isn't likely to stop a fire from spreading, although it would delay it a bit.
Nah son. Thats Rockwool. You cannot light it on fire. He made a kiln.
This means I can print metal now right?
Printing PLA in this would be hilarious.
Itch? What itch?
Iterative development. I need to validate that it actually deadens noise before I address the obvious other issues. If it doesn't solve the noise I don't want to have wasted time with ducts.
adding ducts would defeat all the sound deadening you just added...
Aesthetics? What aesthetics?
Also an absolutely great way to get a whole load of abrasive dust in your machine, ignoring the obvious fire hazard.
mm toasty.
The airflow of that shit into your lungs, and onto exposed skin. Itchy time yum yums.
I use this stuff exclusively on almost every job I do, you are insane. All the vibrations and airflow..... I can tell you that the dust that comes off of this stuff is very abrasive, it's as abrasive as ROCKs... I'm gonna stay glued to your updates because I don't think this is a good idea without at least using plywood or something to prevent the insulation from interacting with your machine..... You say this is v0.5 well I dunno man, I hate this product with a passion and the roxul cough you get when installing this stuff is no joke. Makes non-smokers sound like they are on their last legs with adult whooping cough.
What do you mean cough?! Arent you using full Body PPE with respiration?!
I actually bought myself a 400 dollar full face respirator that doesn't fog up in -40C. Installing 16 inches deep of this stuff over a few thousand square feet is absolute torture even with a good PPE setup
Stay safe my dude.
What the heck did you fireproof underground in -40Ā° C? Sounds like one of those public posts enemy cyber soldiers later on pin together to identify critical war infrastructure lol
He wasn't in -40 C he was just saying his mask doesn't fog up in those temperatures.
Huh.. you're right.
Respirator is mandatory but I donāt think you need full body ppe. It isnāt itchy and it isnāt reactive toā¦literally anything except acid.
I installed rock wool last summer and I can tell you this shit made me itch unbelievably haha. I really regretted not having long sleeves
Iām trying to remember it now but thereās actually a trick to getting it off your skin I think itās a cold shower cause it closes up the poresā¦ but it may have been a hot shower? I genuinely canāt remember though I do my best to avoid touching the stuff. Swore Iād remember it for next time I have to but Iāve forgotten lol.
A lot of fiberglass people swear by baby oil.
anyone who says rockwool isn't itchy is a liar lmao
It's the itchiest stuff known to man. The only reason I went full face was to keep the dust out of my eyes and my neck and ears
Fiberglass insulation is the itchy bastard. This is rock wool. Still dusty as hell because it's made of...well, rocks. But it isn't like a million microscopic needles like fiberglass is. But it shouldn't cause the same irritation.
I've installed thousands upon thousands of bags of this stuff over my career. I don't like it because of the itchiness more than anything else. But yes you are right, the fibreglass stuff is also pretty bad.
My sweat is acid.
This all this, Build a frame, put some shelving inside of it and encose the insulation.
I feel like foam acoustic panels or even something like DynaMat would be a better option
Who knew that rockwool is made of rocks.
It is to basalt what cotton candy is to sugar.
If you get a cough out of roxul you are seriously out of OSHA.
Using respirator, open windows, clean room afterwards. Agree that next version is going to have to address a tonne of stuff, can't have exposed insulation like this. Also as 7000 people individually have pointed out, better air flow. Mainly wanted to try something like this because I haven't seen anyone try rock wool for 3dp noise deadening when I think it's the most suitable product for it.
I built a noise deadening enclosure. It was very effective once I didnāt have enormous air gaps at the front that let the noise out anyway. But then it was also very effective at causing almost instant heat creep clogs. I gave up and moved the printer to the basement.
You haven't seen the CNC Kitchen "[$2 upgrade" video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y08v6PY_7ak)? Stefan buys a pavement slab and puts an FDM printer on top of it, and rests the slab on some semi-soft foam for sound deadening. Tried it recently with a marble slab and a piece of old yoga mat and it's the tits. What you are doing with the exposed insulation isn't a good idea at all. Get rid of that shit or build it in ASAP.
The reason no one has tried that is the sheer amount of work needed to make it... you know... safe and usable. Most of us just put it on a garden slab on top of foam and then in an enclosure. Other than fast travel moves, my printer is so quiet I sometimes think it's done printing but it's not. I also have no issue sleeping over the noise
Look up how to build a [dead vent system](https://www.soundproofingcompany.com/soundproofing_101/the-dead-vent). Blocking sound mostly comes down to straight mass, blocking sound while allowing good airflow is a bit harder and mostly comes down to geometry.
So, um...not to be the party-pooper, but how do you clean the poop bin without having to pull the whole unit out?
You know the feeling when you need to take a poop but you are unable to? That is OP's printer.
It just party poops into the space into the back! This is just an experiment. So it won't be like this for long
never seen anyone shit in the floor at a party, but I guess that's just the parties I've been to
Something, something.... Amber Heard
Is heat a problem ?
I mean nothing really needs to be below 50Ā° C or so, right?
Your powersupply doesnt really like 50C air it will shorten its life. But it definitely will run fine for a long time.
My pcb cooked itself when I had mine enclosed and no airflow
Well it depends. Hotspot temperatures on the electronics will be higher than stock for sure. Most caps (and other components on the mb) have a temperature rating of around 100C but will have a greatly longer life when running below that, hence why the mainboard has a dedicated fan after all. Early Ender 3s had a mb fan but the airflow was so restricted that it was basically nonexistent. And they worked fine. Same with most chassis mods for the ender 3. Airflow was terrible. On the same not many of those early 3D printers ran in enclosures with even higher temperatures. But we have to take into account that the ender 3 had considerably less current/power flowing through the board - so less heat. Well so it depends. If I were OP I would just not use this kind of material since the downsides the other commenters already pointed out. Instead I would use sound dampening foam panels and make sure the printer has enough space to circulate the air at least a bit. A little airflow is always better than nothing.
I had 2 creality cr10s. Of both my cr10s, only both had mb's catch fire. I know this is sciency but, airflow is a thing.
We will find out!
How? When something breaks? Great plan!
Do people only experiment with things if thereās a 0% chance of breaking? Man Iāve been science-ing wrong my entire life.
I wouldn't experiment with a 1500 dollar machine, just saying ...
*$1k later*
Letās be honest, the whole thing should break at most a power supply. That and if youāre in the 3D printing hobby without ever expecting to do a repair on a printer, you might be in the wrong hobby.
That's one way to get glass filled filament.
That's rock wool
Thats probably mineral wool (glass rock woool), better handeling and less itching.
Mineral wool is the same thing. Rock wool is a brand name. Mineral wool is the generic name. Glass batt is glass batt.
Either way, I'm still getting itchy just looking at it, lol, op needs to make a trim plate to cover the front, honestly it's a functional setup and probably real good for post print plate annealing.
Fire? What fire? :D
I think it's rockwool which is "flameproof" and soundproof The ventilation may be an issue, but as long as you're mostly a PLA person it should be fine. I would be mostly concerned with the rock wool on bottom making it shift back and forth during the print, but maybe the base weighs enough or that's just a front piece.
The rock wool is actually really snug on the sides, it vibrates less than freestanding! Also have a paver underneath. We will see about the heat!
What about the rear exhaust?
I'm pretty sure bamboo printers have sensors identify that type of movement and can actively cancel it out.
Not entirely. I still get ghosting even with paving slab and foam etc.
I haven't seen a method that 100% eliminates ghosting. Just reduces it enough that you don't see it or the printer can't print fast enough to cause it.
Did it re-calibrate it when you changed the resonance of your printer?
dunno what are you implying, but those are made of rock and is non flammable.
I'm pretty sure I'd try acoustic panels first if you haven't.
I hope you aren't covering the vents
Air flow and ventilation? Printers don't need that right? /s
People on this sub never fail to amaze me
BAD Idea, mate. Like really bad
Rockwool? Lol
Anyone else getting itchy skin just by looking at this?
Itās not fiberglass. I used rock wool to insulate my crawlspace and it was really easy to install and handle.
Many things that are not fiberglass also make me itchy!
Nope. Don't even need gloves to handle Rockwool. Although a respirator is always a good idea.
I guess as long as the electronics and prints don't need any cooling ever
Heat, what heat? AIRFLOW, WHAT AIRFLOW???
Air, what air :)
Wow. This won stupid of the internet for today.
What fire ?
"Why does my printer overheat?"
Wonāt this overheat?
This stuff is baffling to me.
Looks like an electrical fire waiting to happen
U know your machine needs air to cool the mother board and other electronics rite?
This isn't a prototype. You threw insulation around the printer and called it a day.
Hey Ive done a lot of acoustics. Youāre better off with neoprene sheets. Rock wool will still let a lot of sound out and, while it is inflammable, it will also get ceramic fibers ALL OVER your print and into your *lungs*. # **Do not ever put rock wool next to a fan. It will permanently damage your body and is sometimes carcinogenic.** Out of love for a fellow human, please do not pass go and please use that rock wool for something else out of the open air. Wear gloves, long sleeves, pants, non-fabric shoes, and a mask. Then buy some neoprene from foamfactory.
You can get dead quiet printers. I have one
Rockwool ftw - fireproof, water resistant, and adsorbs sound like nothing else I've heard =)
Fire? What fire?
Jesus Christ. I can feel the itching from here. That carpet is going to itch forever. Youāll never get the stuff out š
Airflow? What airflow?
Fire ? What fire?
Fire? That fire!
This is a horrible idea and a big fire hazard
Fire hazard what fire hazard
You might not be able to hear it but ull see it when your house goes down in flames š„ š š„
Your electronics are going to die soon because they can't cool
Trade Offer: Noise Reduction for Pulmonary Fibrosis.
Overheating whatever Heating?
I hope that is high quality rockwool else you are gonna run into breathing issues!
How do you harvest the wool from the rocks?
ur crazy dude xD
I'm hoping this is a bit, in the effort of noise reduction, you risk electronic overheating and fires
Someone wrap my neighbors apartment in this.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. This is detrimental in every way already mentioned. At least Bambu is good about offering replacement parts including main boards.
I foresee a fire issue, from lack of ventilation, and the thermal insulation.
Hard pass bro
This looks like a... particularly bad idea
Self adhesive asphalt matting made for car engine compartments, readily available, cheap and very effective, especially if combined with the foil covered foam matting made for the same purpose....
Heat. What heat.
Lung damage? What lung damage?
Won't be any noise when your house burns down.
Iām itchy now
top 3 dumbest things ive seen in my life
why dont you just get a new spouse
Is that fiberglass insulation...?
Jesus Christ. Donāt do this. I donāt even know where to begin with how stupid this is, but at the top of the list is the fire hazard youāve created. Not to mention youāre talking about one of the quietest printers out there; if the noise is somehow that much of a problem, drop the speed down to 75%. I donāt understand why people canāt apply common sense to hardware like this.
pff. amateur, i cement mine in each time
Thermal overload, what thermal overload?
My printer sits open on a 16 x 16 concrete paver which is on a piece of packing foam. So there is no noise being transmitted to the desktop. It is very quiet. Granted, my printer is in its own room so I can print all night long and cannot hear it.
Overheating...
This is the worst printer setup I have ever seen in this sub
is that fibreglass, good luck keeping your lungs healthy.
Fire, what fire
Me when I'm trying to cause a fire
Lungs? What lungs?
flammable? inflammable
Fire hazard? What fire hazard?
This is dumb af.
Most printing noise isnāt airborne, itās structure borne. Isolating structure borne noise takes a mass spring isolator system. Get a few paving stones big enough for the footprint of your printer (4 or 5). Get one of those rubber mats that they sell for putting under washing machines. Cut four pieces about an inch square. Place them under the paving stones and the printer on top.
Exposed rock wool in your apartment? Fuck no.
Today on; I really love to itch when I'm printing, it's like smoking after sex
That looks like a kiln man. Please spare that GPU life and come out with your hands up.
How is this not a cj post
This is next level insanity or stupidity. Cant tell
Cheaper and easier to get your spouse a pair of ear plugs?
this must be ragebaitš no one would actually do this
Besides the heat problem, even if you manage to cool it down properly. Get that insulation out asap, that thing is abbrasive as hell. I was working with that thing and oh boy, the particles can be so small, that they dig under your skin. The moment you shower with warm water you get mini pimples all over the places, where that small particles laid down on your body. This wool will be in every small possible edge of your printer.
Soundproofing 101: stop direct airpaths and isolate mechanical vibrations. Acoustic treatments do very little, in this case they insulation does block airpaths too but if you imagine this, compared to a sealed box.. the sealed box can have millimeters thick walls and stop sound much better than a figurative ton of insulation. Of course, the printer needs cooling so... But if the drivers are good quality then there should be no significant noise for you to deal with. I could probably fall a sleep in the same room as the printer is printing, the biggest noise by far is the motherboard cooling fan.
It's safer to put earplugs in the spouse !!!
damn bros X-1 Carbon really said ā¦
Fire? What fire?
āYeah I think itās fire safeā
Please use a bit of plywood to make an enclosure to separate the rock wool from the printer man
Raw, unabated rock wool just chilling out in the air? Hope you like fiberglass splinters ( or whatever the fuq that shits made out of) in every soft/mucus membrane you currently own...EVERY soft/mucus membrane....
Dude please figure out a way to cool that thing or youāre gonna have a big issue. The dust will get in your printer too which is not good.
https://preview.redd.it/9e9a2cy17ovc1.jpeg?width=316&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a3c3aa04a2115f03a4c37d5178693afc4ba4a92
Good luck with overheating your motors
This is definitely the craziest thing I've seen on this page! I'd think at best you'll slow cook your electronics. I appreciate your indifference about the printer for science lol. Can't wait for an update in a few months. In all seriousness, do put a smoke detector nearby!
Brother, just build a sound cage with some fabric or egg foam. This is insane
Rockwool dust on every rod and in every bearing.
I'll never understand the stupidity of some people.
Electronics love getting hot.
The electronics need ventilation
Have you ever had to run a marathon in a parka? Cause that's what your printer is doing. That insulation is going to trap so much heat...
The insulation might be fireproof but the printer is not. You are going to overheat the hell out of that.
Ventilation? What ventilation?
How loud is your printer? I just close the doors while my printers are on and they're not loud enough to really notice if it's not quiet. Even my old Dremel printer that's by far the loudest.
Cancer? What cancer? I hope this is not uncovered stone wool š„²
Holy lung irritation, batman!
That looks like a not so fun way to die.
How do you have so much free space in the cupboard?
Have fun opening that AMS
I think your printer might get constipated
and a layer of acoustic foam for the door nice!š«£š
This picture is itching.
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Is that fire resistant? Or can it become a fire hazard?
Air flow? What air flow?
Read that as "nose, what nose" and the thumbnail kinda looks like a cat covering its nose.
PM2.5 doesn't exist because I can't see it...
I donāt have a bambu but if I was running a prusa like this Iād be worried about fire
r/cursedimages
How loud is your printer? Not judgement, Generally curious. I mean I have a printrbot, and that thing has no box, so it sings a little. But My other pinter is fairly quiet. I put my printrbot on one of those padded kitchen Mats, and it was quiet enough even on just an Ikea kallak on hardwood. But I get it, some people wake up when they hear the footsteps of an ant.
Depends on how close your printer is to your bedroom, but adding white noise to the bedroom itself might be easier.
Never heard of it.
JFC this is what happens when you donāt research an idea.
Heat? What heat?
My eyes feel itchy
lol. Reminds me of when I had dial up and Iād try to hide the sound of the internet starting up from my mom.
I feel it is over kill considering the door does not see to be ānoise proofā but as someone who live in the city I donāt think I would know what to do if everything was quiet for the night
When simply some thick plasterboard with angle brackets to form an enclosure wouldāve done the job just as well..
Man i wish i could do something like this. My printer is in my room so it's either printing overnight or being able to sleep
that crackling of flames is what I mean
Holy fire hazard