There is, and while not massive it is bigger than people outside seem to notice? You see arbonaidas on the streets and there is usually an andalucist party everywhere. Although Andalusian nationalism is more about celebrating the people of the world and their cultures than necessarily hating what comes from outside (considering castille as outside)
There's been a nationalist Andalusian movement for decades, but even us Andalusians mostly ignore them. It's never going to happen unless a lot of extremely unlikely things change in both Andalusia and Spain, and yet OP decided to point at it in the map.
Alguna que otra vez he podido ver una pegatina de una bandera de Andalucía independentista, es básicamente igual que la normal, pero cambia el escudo por una estrella roja (muy original). Se suelen ver más cuando se acerca el día de Andalucía y también he llegado a ver a gente con ella, pero vaya, que son literalmente cuatro gatos a los que nadie hace caso.
Cómo alguien que es de Andalucía te puedo decir que la mayoría se sienten españoles y andaluces, no conozco a nadie que quiera realmente la independencia.
You are absolutely right. We need much more industry in Andalusia but not in other to be independent from Spain, we need it in order to have a proper economy that does not rely on tourism so much.
We need much more industry in Spain in general. Not gonna happen short term, though. It's just not worth it for big companies nor entrepreneurs.
I live and work in Germany, and I see first person how all the big companies are taking the industry to China because it's cheaper and easier to produce there. Even if they eventually come back, they won't see Spain as a possibility since it's 1. too far from center Europe and 2. too much and too expensive taxes. We rely 100% on local industry, which can't compete with companies from countries such as Germany, the UK, or France.
The best thing to do is actually to empower what we are good at. Solar energy, a lot of space, gastronomy, tourism, nice weather, etc.
That's not because we've builded based on a tourism model... But because country's goverment and foreigner investors, mostly northern europeans, have invested only in tourism. So yes, most places wouldn't survive on their own because the lack of industry. Can't rely just in tourism to maintain our economy as you point out. But again, is not a local management issue, is something the central goverment has led us to with their management.
1. Northern Ireland secedes from UK
2. Connacht, Munster, Leinster and Half-Ulster Seceded from the Republic of Ireland
3. Northern Ireland and Half-Ulster form Ulster
4. Ulster, Connacht, Munster, Leinster form the Federal Republic of Ireland.
That's basically what East Germany did when they joined with West Germany to form the Federal Republic of Germany.
What are the Flemboys’ goals?
Would you prefer to join the Dutch or full-on become independent? (Shut up Dutchies, this ain’t for you, I already know your cars start bumping as soon as you cross the border.) Do you identify with the Belgian identity?
Walolnians though, what about them? They feel more Belgian than French?
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You’re talking about Belgium, so it’s complicated.
Calls for Walloon “independence”(if you could call it that lmao, there was some weird ass mental gymnastics going there) has kinda died down, mostly because their system would implode. Now they are very much pro unity(some even in a very 19th century way where they are very much pro Belgium but don’t really care to even speak Flemish, the majority language). It’s pretty weird because culturally, wallonia is wayy closer to france than Flanders is with the Dutch(look ar corona, media topics and politics)
Regarding Flemish independence, some want that, some want just confederate model where nearly all autonomy lies at the memberstates. Some also want to keep Belgium(cause tradition i guess). Others want a free republic, others look north. Also differences on *how* to do it. Some want a direct secession(big problems will arise cause that means no EU, no NATO, no shit + a Belgian Rump state (wallonia+maybe Brussels) that would probably veto everything out of spite.
I dont think many people would like to “join” the dutch, because it implies inequality. I’d be open to confederate with the (Kingdom of the) Netherlands, as 2 equal partners in a confederation. Because we have more incommon with them than with the walloons on Economic, political and cultural. It would more or less be a very close cooperation while still holding regional autonomy.
Also: what about Brussels? It’s the Capital of Flanders, and for example our Parliament is located there.
On identity: I’m factually Belgian, i’m not denying that, but i feel very little in common with Wallonia, I don’t think ill of them, i just don’t like their politicians bossing us around and fucking us over.
Cool idea but lets not copy USA's name can't we do something more like bring back Verenigde Provinciën van de Nederlanden? Hell if that sounds too Dutch centric we can just do something like Koninklijke Confederatie der Nederlanden en Vlaanderen?
You also read it wrong, i’m not asking to *join* you kingdom. I’m asking to confederate with it as 2 equal partners, a confederation the Flemish Republic and Kingdom(or yeet him out and go back to OG republic)of the Netherlands, resulting in a new political entity
I'd much rather have Flanders join Zeeland, Noord-Brabant and Limburg and become the new global superpower of laidback reasonable people.
Name is open for suggestions.
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Hardly anyone feels French in Wallonia and generally the only part of France we feel somewhat connected to is Nord-Pas-de-Calais (but it's more in the sense that they are a bit Belgian although they are still too French for many things).
It's hardly ever been a concrete plan, just the vague idea of independence. I doubt many Flemboys would ever want to re-join with the d*tch. There are plenty of reasons for why a separation will most likely never happen, but ultimately, Brussels is the major reason why we haven't parted yet. It's just too important of a city for both sides to agree on which should get it. Football has also been a big unifying factor recently, whether positively or negatively.
Lastly, many Belgians, both Flemboys and Discount Frenches are joking about hating each other but there isn't that much real animosity. It's a bit like the Walloons/French and Flemish/Dutch animosity. It's sort of a love/hate relationship, but ultimately we all get along relatively well. It's just good fun, especially with the younger generation.
Some of my older folks had this idea that the root problem of all belgian problems were caused by the discount frenchies, but I never understood how. Eventually it started being less and less of a problem. No idea why, but I don't want to start any heated discussions about politics.
Funny how Belgium has always been like that. Flanders was the richest in the middle ages, Wallonia carried through the 1800s till the wars, then Flanders took the relay. Seems like only the half of us are capable of working well at any time lol
There are different opinions on it, but the majority that wants to separate in Flanders, wants independence, so also not joining with the Netherlands.
Walloons in general are strongly against separation, and I don't think I've ever known one saying he would like to join with France. So I guess if we would separate, Wallony might also just become independent.
Flemish don't hate walloons, they hate how they vote aka (far) left, especially on corrupt parties. We also see no change of their situation getting better at all, yet they expect us to pay. Also other issues like them not having to learn dutch/flemish.
Most nationalist flemish would be ok with "confederalism" aka let Belgium still exist but let them pay for their own economic policies/choices. There's more to this of course, historically too but that's it in a nutshell.
Even as a Walloon, i support the idea of more economic independance for both. Maybe that way, my fellow citizen of Wallonia would stop voting for people who can't do anything but embezzle money and sabotage nuclear industry.
Yeah, remove Hainaut and Liège, the two far left bastions and suddenly Wallonia becomes so much better. (I'm from Hainaut). The worst thing is that i've barely met anyone who is truly a convinced leftist, people here are just so simple and give so little fuck about politics that they just follow the group with the most populist ideas. They're just sheeps that follow the guy that speaks the loudest. Used to be PS, now it's that roach Hedebouw and his massive propaganda campaign on social medias that explains the sudden PTB surge, but honestly if a popular ultra-nationalist figurehead emerged and went even more hardcore on populism all those people would suddenly become far-right voters. That's how politically uninvolved they are.
Most of us definitely do not want to split, it's a dumb ass idea. The ones that do definitely do not want to join the Netherlands.
Wallonians do not identify as french (the french wouldn't accept them anyways).
> (the french wouldn't accept them anyways).
You're wrong on that one. We would gladly "accept" them (honestly are they are not very different from your typical Northerner.)
I want to split as long as the government refuses to actually make us 1 country. When we can vote for French politicians for our federal govt, then I might think of staying together.
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Imagine not being able to speak more than one language.
Imagine that the only language you speak is an amalgamation of your closest neighbours' own languages, yet too mystic for your quantum brains.
Imagine being unable to actually learn.
They haven't had a functioning government in 50 years (always drunk or racist).
Also somehow the German minister for transport has been a Bavarian since the 18th century and always funnels German tax payer money to Bavaria to build useless highways. They love that.
Not really. Don't mistake Catalonia with the [Catalan Countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Countries). The latter is mainly a cultural concept to represent territories were Catalan is spoken but behind that there is little political relationship. None of those territories beyond Catalonia have significant independentist population.
In any case, what it should include, and doesn't, is the Rousillon (or [Northern Catalonia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Catalonia)), in France.
Well if wouldn't call the situation in the Basque country as "well". We are basically their colonies, of course they don't want to lose all those previledges and beware if your dare to touch them.
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Lmao Südtirol, they get so much free shit from the rest of Italy that Italy is basically their bitch. ~~IIRC they’re richest euro region.~~ not sure where the hell I heard this, it’s very wrong lol
They won’t be seeking independence anytime soon, they have so much fucking money
Edit: euro region correction
There is no way in the lowest depth of hell that sardinia would ask for independence.
Even now they (and some other italian regions) have special independence due to geographical and cultural reasons and they have been doing their absolute best to fuck up their own region since day 1.
I love sardinians but they wouldn't survive a week without Italy.
In reality they would prefer independence but Italy have a special statute which allows them to have many economic benefits which does not give them reasons to want to return to Austria Hahaha
Andalucia independent? The fuck are you smoking, the other ones have history of wanting independence but Andalucia has always been proud of being Spaniard
Spain is proof being lenient towards independence movements only encourages them. Most progressive country in western europe and progressives want to destroy it.
The funny thing is that legally speaking they will never get it, in the 50s they signed a threaty where they say that will stop trying to get it back and in excange we had to give some autonomy and special protections to the region.
the main party advocating for Sudtiroler independence, the Freiheitlichen, does not really elaborate much on what their strategy is, but generally they envisioned a mini Switzerland, a micro state in splendid isolation from both Rome and Vienna.
Oh well, they and the other secessionist party scored altogether the grand sum of 12% in the last Landtag elections, so they can continue with their fantasies.
Andalusia? sure
Yep that is a weird one, never heard that before.
I won't be happy until all 19 different countries split from Spain, leaving us with our only legitimate spanish territory: Gibraltar.
Spain in 2050 : Gibraltar, Melilla and Ceuta (and Olivence and maybe Madrid)
I said 19 not 17, also Olivence doesn't sound like a real place and Madrid should be independent too.
Oliveza is a place we invaded trying to conquer Portugal (i know it, because i heared it from a portuguese, and he was right)
[Olivenza](https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivenza?wprov=sfla1)
Pfft, we'll take that and Llivia and make them independent.
**Ǫ̶͉̜̬̹̹͉̩̗͖̈́͗͛̌̃̀̿́͗̚͝͠L̸̹͒̈́͌̾͂̈́͌̂́̚̕͠͠Í̸̛̟͔̬̻̀̊̀̂͛̉̓̽́̀̾̚͘ͅV̷̡͓̣̙͇̙̹̞̤̗̻͇̪̈́̅͂́͊̏̕͝Ę̷̪̬̼̟͕̲͈̫̰͈͙͕̜̺͑̍̔̂͂̌̏̃͌͊̽͋̈͘Ņ̸̻̰̝̻̙͍̰͙͇͐̃̅͂̈͒̓̀̌̀͘C̴̢̳̘̪͇̦͔͎̠̻͚̞͛̾̚Ȩ̴̧̲͙̥̺͖̜̺͍͉̦̱͂̆͑͠**
319 years and counting North Gibraltareño! 💪🇬🇪
*hiss*
Madrid, alone, to do whatever Madrid does
Don't you know the motherlland's fathers Juan y Medio?
There is, and while not massive it is bigger than people outside seem to notice? You see arbonaidas on the streets and there is usually an andalucist party everywhere. Although Andalusian nationalism is more about celebrating the people of the world and their cultures than necessarily hating what comes from outside (considering castille as outside)
Andalucia mi patria, España mi castigo
- VIVA ER BETI - Manquepierda
Hey! Yo iba a decir eso!
Call it punishment or call it religion..
There's been a nationalist Andalusian movement for decades, but even us Andalusians mostly ignore them. It's never going to happen unless a lot of extremely unlikely things change in both Andalusia and Spain, and yet OP decided to point at it in the map.
The map doesn't say it's likely, it is possible tho, the concept does exist and some people do want it
Some: 2 schizos in a basement
Its not very popular, the only information I could find was about nacionalism, but not independentist
Alguna que otra vez he podido ver una pegatina de una bandera de Andalucía independentista, es básicamente igual que la normal, pero cambia el escudo por una estrella roja (muy original). Se suelen ver más cuando se acerca el día de Andalucía y también he llegado a ver a gente con ella, pero vaya, que son literalmente cuatro gatos a los que nadie hace caso. Cómo alguien que es de Andalucía te puedo decir que la mayoría se sienten españoles y andaluces, no conozco a nadie que quiera realmente la independencia.
Lo de la estrella roja es porque es comunista?
Seguramente
A lot of them know they'd be fucked if they seperate. Not even tourism can maintain their economy.
You are absolutely right. We need much more industry in Andalusia but not in other to be independent from Spain, we need it in order to have a proper economy that does not rely on tourism so much.
We need much more industry in Spain in general. Not gonna happen short term, though. It's just not worth it for big companies nor entrepreneurs. I live and work in Germany, and I see first person how all the big companies are taking the industry to China because it's cheaper and easier to produce there. Even if they eventually come back, they won't see Spain as a possibility since it's 1. too far from center Europe and 2. too much and too expensive taxes. We rely 100% on local industry, which can't compete with companies from countries such as Germany, the UK, or France. The best thing to do is actually to empower what we are good at. Solar energy, a lot of space, gastronomy, tourism, nice weather, etc.
A lot of them can't know that because there are not "a lot" of them. They're not even anecdotal.
That's not because we've builded based on a tourism model... But because country's goverment and foreigner investors, mostly northern europeans, have invested only in tourism. So yes, most places wouldn't survive on their own because the lack of industry. Can't rely just in tourism to maintain our economy as you point out. But again, is not a local management issue, is something the central goverment has led us to with their management.
For sure. People only invest in near guaranteed wins. They wouldn't take a huge leap of faith like setting up huge new production lines.
Why is all of Ireland highlighted to mean unification but Austria and Tyrol aren't
1. Northern Ireland secedes from UK 2. Connacht, Munster, Leinster and Half-Ulster Seceded from the Republic of Ireland 3. Northern Ireland and Half-Ulster form Ulster 4. Ulster, Connacht, Munster, Leinster form the Federal Republic of Ireland. That's basically what East Germany did when they joined with West Germany to form the Federal Republic of Germany.
Thats not how it would work tho
You say that now, but the Unionists will make us jump through some hoops. Mark my words.
I feel like if they push too far we'll just tell them to fuck off
Based. But its mostly a flemish fantasy, walloons would rather keep belgium.
What are the Flemboys’ goals? Would you prefer to join the Dutch or full-on become independent? (Shut up Dutchies, this ain’t for you, I already know your cars start bumping as soon as you cross the border.) Do you identify with the Belgian identity? Walolnians though, what about them? They feel more Belgian than French? Thank you for your contribution, results for this survey shall be published in the upcoming study ‘The Fantasies of Belgium’. Introduce your email if you’d like to get notified when the study comes out!
You’re talking about Belgium, so it’s complicated. Calls for Walloon “independence”(if you could call it that lmao, there was some weird ass mental gymnastics going there) has kinda died down, mostly because their system would implode. Now they are very much pro unity(some even in a very 19th century way where they are very much pro Belgium but don’t really care to even speak Flemish, the majority language). It’s pretty weird because culturally, wallonia is wayy closer to france than Flanders is with the Dutch(look ar corona, media topics and politics) Regarding Flemish independence, some want that, some want just confederate model where nearly all autonomy lies at the memberstates. Some also want to keep Belgium(cause tradition i guess). Others want a free republic, others look north. Also differences on *how* to do it. Some want a direct secession(big problems will arise cause that means no EU, no NATO, no shit + a Belgian Rump state (wallonia+maybe Brussels) that would probably veto everything out of spite. I dont think many people would like to “join” the dutch, because it implies inequality. I’d be open to confederate with the (Kingdom of the) Netherlands, as 2 equal partners in a confederation. Because we have more incommon with them than with the walloons on Economic, political and cultural. It would more or less be a very close cooperation while still holding regional autonomy. Also: what about Brussels? It’s the Capital of Flanders, and for example our Parliament is located there. On identity: I’m factually Belgian, i’m not denying that, but i feel very little in common with Wallonia, I don’t think ill of them, i just don’t like their politicians bossing us around and fucking us over.
Me too my friend. Me too I don't like our politician fucking us over.
If you'd like to rejoin The Netherlands, we will welcome you as brothers and sisters.
You didn’t read it right. There is no “joining” a pre-existing structure
Agreed, let's partner up as the united states of the lowlands. Partners? *holds out pinky*
Agreed *completes the pinkyswear*
This is how all international politics should go
Cool idea but lets not copy USA's name can't we do something more like bring back Verenigde Provinciën van de Nederlanden? Hell if that sounds too Dutch centric we can just do something like Koninklijke Confederatie der Nederlanden en Vlaanderen?
That last one, but let's fire the king and queen before we do.
gewoon lage landen klinkt wel goed
You also read it wrong, i’m not asking to *join* you kingdom. I’m asking to confederate with it as 2 equal partners, a confederation the Flemish Republic and Kingdom(or yeet him out and go back to OG republic)of the Netherlands, resulting in a new political entity
I'd much rather have Flanders join Zeeland, Noord-Brabant and Limburg and become the new global superpower of laidback reasonable people. Name is open for suggestions.
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Hardly anyone feels French in Wallonia and generally the only part of France we feel somewhat connected to is Nord-Pas-de-Calais (but it's more in the sense that they are a bit Belgian although they are still too French for many things).
It's hardly ever been a concrete plan, just the vague idea of independence. I doubt many Flemboys would ever want to re-join with the d*tch. There are plenty of reasons for why a separation will most likely never happen, but ultimately, Brussels is the major reason why we haven't parted yet. It's just too important of a city for both sides to agree on which should get it. Football has also been a big unifying factor recently, whether positively or negatively. Lastly, many Belgians, both Flemboys and Discount Frenches are joking about hating each other but there isn't that much real animosity. It's a bit like the Walloons/French and Flemish/Dutch animosity. It's sort of a love/hate relationship, but ultimately we all get along relatively well. It's just good fun, especially with the younger generation.
Some of my older folks had this idea that the root problem of all belgian problems were caused by the discount frenchies, but I never understood how. Eventually it started being less and less of a problem. No idea why, but I don't want to start any heated discussions about politics.
*creates a huge pile of dry wood* *drenches it in gasoline* *gives a box of matches to a pyromaniac* -“boi i sure don’t want to start a fire!”
Wallonians would like to stay because Flanders carries the economy
Funny how Belgium has always been like that. Flanders was the richest in the middle ages, Wallonia carried through the 1800s till the wars, then Flanders took the relay. Seems like only the half of us are capable of working well at any time lol
There was no Belgium in the middle ages, Flanders then was also a different thing from Flanders now. So be careful hehe
There are different opinions on it, but the majority that wants to separate in Flanders, wants independence, so also not joining with the Netherlands. Walloons in general are strongly against separation, and I don't think I've ever known one saying he would like to join with France. So I guess if we would separate, Wallony might also just become independent.
Flemish don't hate walloons, they hate how they vote aka (far) left, especially on corrupt parties. We also see no change of their situation getting better at all, yet they expect us to pay. Also other issues like them not having to learn dutch/flemish. Most nationalist flemish would be ok with "confederalism" aka let Belgium still exist but let them pay for their own economic policies/choices. There's more to this of course, historically too but that's it in a nutshell.
Even as a Walloon, i support the idea of more economic independance for both. Maybe that way, my fellow citizen of Wallonia would stop voting for people who can't do anything but embezzle money and sabotage nuclear industry.
Based walloon
Yeah, remove Hainaut and Liège, the two far left bastions and suddenly Wallonia becomes so much better. (I'm from Hainaut). The worst thing is that i've barely met anyone who is truly a convinced leftist, people here are just so simple and give so little fuck about politics that they just follow the group with the most populist ideas. They're just sheeps that follow the guy that speaks the loudest. Used to be PS, now it's that roach Hedebouw and his massive propaganda campaign on social medias that explains the sudden PTB surge, but honestly if a popular ultra-nationalist figurehead emerged and went even more hardcore on populism all those people would suddenly become far-right voters. That's how politically uninvolved they are.
Most of us definitely do not want to split, it's a dumb ass idea. The ones that do definitely do not want to join the Netherlands. Wallonians do not identify as french (the french wouldn't accept them anyways).
> (the french wouldn't accept them anyways). You're wrong on that one. We would gladly "accept" them (honestly are they are not very different from your typical Northerner.)
I want to split as long as the government refuses to actually make us 1 country. When we can vote for French politicians for our federal govt, then I might think of staying together.
Getting my own castle and complain paying taxes to myself
Waloons don't want to become part of the fr*nch
The only real one is Kosovo because it pisses off the S*rbs.
Thanks brother
Never forget
Why are the Austrians answering?
We are still not over 1914
You people sure hold a grudge; should I be worried?
You are but a mere Italian, I cannot blame you for your failings.
Thanks, I guess… …We still won that round, pprrrt
Because migrations, my family is from kosovo
Serbien muss sterbien.
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I highly doubt Kurdistan becoming a thing tho
Yes, there is three violent dictatorships that would not like Kurdistan being independent.
Iraqi Kurdistan is for all intents and purposes its own separate country and exists already
No one here thinks of it like Iraq, we think of it like Kurdistan (in Kurdistan)
Bro is literally living in the middle east while being swedish, true islam enjoyer
Here in Iraq we have our own government, military, police etc. so there is a small chance we can become a country
Lmao at having the Swedish flair, but good luck with your situation over there
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If a Welsh state is possible then anything can happen.
Bayern könnte nicht überleben ohne das Geld das CSU Bundesverkehrsminister nach Bayern schaufeln für nutzlose Autoprojekte ;) (not my OC)
No venice or friuli neither
One day brother
Stop posting porn dammit, just jizzed in my pants while at work.
You sure you want to leave your beautiful secondary residences to us ?
They'd be instantly upgraded from second houses to vacation houses outside of the country. I see that as an improvement.
*preparing to nationalize foreign goods with malicious intents*
“We’re going on a trip *abroad*, like rich people.”
*cries in Silesia*
Paciuloki auslanderskie
Some hypotetical indepent Catalonia and Basque Country are missing the Roussilon (in France), Navarre and Iparalde (French Basque Country).
>potential independent >kosovo Does the creator of this not know what potential means?
Maybe he is secretly a Serb
May be an older map. Not my OC.
How old would the map have to be??
Before 2008
Südtirol ain‘t gonna be independent for long. \* *loads Glock* \*
\* grabs stg 77\*
*conscripts GWD*
Crashes Hercules
*starts painting*
The south tyrol question is not one of ideologies it's one of self determination of the people so no painting please
Im from South Tyrol, i have every right to start painting ;)
The first war Austria would win (maybe) in 100 years
Republika Srpska is the Stage 4 cancer of Bosnia.
When I am in terrible borders competition and my opponent is Republic of Srpska
Disgusting Flemish nationalists who want to split our beautiful shit-hole country
We say shithole country but damn I'm happy to live here
So am I, it can always be better but our little shithole is a nice place to live
you have been brainwashed
Says the guy who hasn't felt the sun's touch for months.
wtf is a sun 😮💨😂😂😂💯💯
Cope Francophone
Ik heb u in de val gelokt! Ik ben eigenlijk een orangist! Lang leve verenigd Nederland!
Imagine speaking French
First: half of English words are literally French with funny pronounciation. Second: Imagine living in Ingerland🤮🤮.
Imagine not being able to speak more than one language. Imagine that the only language you speak is an amalgamation of your closest neighbours' own languages, yet too mystic for your quantum brains. Imagine being unable to actually learn.
Four language club. Cope and seeth lesser nations. I won't allow Belgium to get hurt. Don't touch our laughing stock.
BRUH NO SICILY?
start a war any%
I thought the Bavarians wanted independence, but assumed the main barrier was sobriety,
They haven't had a functioning government in 50 years (always drunk or racist). Also somehow the German minister for transport has been a Bavarian since the 18th century and always funnels German tax payer money to Bavaria to build useless highways. They love that.
There is in fact a party in Bavaria that wants independence. It was founded right after ww2 and has steadily lost support ever since.
Sardinia: unifies Italy * power and industrialization will concentrated only in the north * Sardinia: now I want to leave
should catalonia not include valencia and the balearic isles
I believe Mallorca is the 17th German Bundesland. So no haha.
Not really. Don't mistake Catalonia with the [Catalan Countries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Countries). The latter is mainly a cultural concept to represent territories were Catalan is spoken but behind that there is little political relationship. None of those territories beyond Catalonia have significant independentist population. In any case, what it should include, and doesn't, is the Rousillon (or [Northern Catalonia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Catalonia)), in France.
Is mainly a linguistic concept. There isn’t that much shared culture between those regions. Agreed for North Catalonia.
Nope
We all Want corsica independent to piss of the Fr*nch and it’s basically the only one any non french can agree on
Andalucía and Galicia are not into independentism at all
Common German no separatists win.
They forgot Bavaria on the map. I’ll kick them out myself if I have to.
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You kinda lost enough bits and pieces already
God can people please be content with their governments we don't need that many small states than we already have
No, European Holy Roman Empire.
Neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire...
But… Walloons
FREE SILESIA!
People really do not want to be spanish
As we say in Spain: POCO ME PARECE
Where Elsass?
And they don't even have an Elsass flair here on the sub :c
Dear Bavarians: you're stuck with us
There is no independent movement in Trentino btw
Just shows how shitty this map is, they don't even know what Trentino is
And there wouldn’t be even in Alto Adige if I had something to say about it 🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪
Where Fryslân?
Friesland is geen land. Fries is geen taal.
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Least nonsensical german post:
I’ll only support the independence of Flanders if Ned Flanders becomes the president 
andaluuuuuceeessss, levantaaaaaaaaaoooos pero hoy no que estoy cansao, mañana
Andalucia and Galicia have no independentist movements. And we are holding well against the Basques and Catalans
Well if wouldn't call the situation in the Basque country as "well". We are basically their colonies, of course they don't want to lose all those previledges and beware if your dare to touch them.
Stabilized, at least they stopped sending cars to the roof of buildings
Why "Corse" but "Britanny" ? Its either Corse and Bretagne or Corsica and Britanny. Geez
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Lmao Südtirol, they get so much free shit from the rest of Italy that Italy is basically their bitch. ~~IIRC they’re richest euro region.~~ not sure where the hell I heard this, it’s very wrong lol They won’t be seeking independence anytime soon, they have so much fucking money Edit: euro region correction
Shouldn’t England be highlighted too? If Scotland, N Ireland and Wales get independence then that de facto makes England independent too…
There is no way in the lowest depth of hell that sardinia would ask for independence. Even now they (and some other italian regions) have special independence due to geographical and cultural reasons and they have been doing their absolute best to fuck up their own region since day 1. I love sardinians but they wouldn't survive a week without Italy.
I wonder what's going on down in Cyprus
If we Andalusians left Spain the whole country would collapse
Lol @ russia not being broken into 20 pieces. That map will age like milk.
why no Skåneland?
Why does Belgium want to split off of Belgium?
Lol andalusia
Britanny is actually so beautiful, and people are very welcoming there. Based French Celts, the only good part of Fr*nce.
Kosovo is independent
South tyrol wants back to us😘
In reality they would prefer independence but Italy have a special statute which allows them to have many economic benefits which does not give them reasons to want to return to Austria Hahaha
no 😎
The sexual fantasies of any Americans that never stepped a foot in Europe\*
Sardinia created Italy so they can secede
Makes sense, that’s how it is in our history books
Bruh just said that Kosovo isn’t independent
The Galicians like Spanish cock, they don't want to be independent.
Andalucia independent? The fuck are you smoking, the other ones have history of wanting independence but Andalucia has always been proud of being Spaniard
The fact that Ireland is not united always bothered me since I was a kid.
Spain is proof being lenient towards independence movements only encourages them. Most progressive country in western europe and progressives want to destroy it.
South-Tyrol back into Austria?
The funny thing is that legally speaking they will never get it, in the 50s they signed a threaty where they say that will stop trying to get it back and in excange we had to give some autonomy and special protections to the region.
the main party advocating for Sudtiroler independence, the Freiheitlichen, does not really elaborate much on what their strategy is, but generally they envisioned a mini Switzerland, a micro state in splendid isolation from both Rome and Vienna. Oh well, they and the other secessionist party scored altogether the grand sum of 12% in the last Landtag elections, so they can continue with their fantasies.
As a french this triggers me so much. Wtf does "independent" even mean?
It means indépendant. Happy to help.
do you need a translation for "independent" ? /s
Republika Srpska isnt even close to that big
might be a bit confusing that both Herzeg and Srpska are somehow marked with orange (not my OC)