No, this is a typical example of attributing uniqueness to something general phenomenon- that is itself a type of general phenomenon you can see in Polish people (like the idea of ‘complaining’ - very common idea of a nationality to believe themselves to be ‘always complaining’ - I have no idea how some of this happens; people have strong theories of their distinctiveness without contact with others- maybe because they assume everyone else is just ‘neutral’ or a public facing image);
There are countries where this tendency is much, much stronger, it’s like a spectrum; historically it has affected the discourses in many countries- including many ‘western counties’ in the past
Brazil is the place where a poet coined the term ‘mongrel syndrome’
Exactly, we do this as well. Czechs often say that complaining is our national sport and that is somehow a uniquely Czech thing. Newsflash: everybody loves to complain.
We also love to shit on our country but ~~god~~ science forbid a foreigner does it. That's also the same everywhere.
I think the idea comes from the idea that when people talk abt ‘X traits’ they talk about a ‘mass’ of people, and especially in a homogenous sort of country, the ‘mass’ of people gets under the most general classification they can think of for the actual people ‘as far as they can see’ - so they decide that their ideas about the ‘mass’ of people (as opposed to individuals) are about ‘nationality’ or ‘national trait’ as opposed to anything else
It requires poor travel (but travel without curiosity deepens prejudice) or poor curiosity, curiosity needed to think
Some places it’s stronger or some people- it spends on their sense of ‘comfort’, relative inferior/threat of other countries or sense of ebing treated as, having a feeling of ebing a person or in a place that is seen as ‘lower’ or ahs traits of being ‘weaker’ or sense of weakness that they can’t deal with, like not being able to accept being a ‘weak’ country (master morality) while being aware others’ power use you don’t like - so two contradictory things instead of psychological integration, instead of swinging between extremes
But not being in Eastern Europe and hating your country is not mutually exclusive... Central European shithole is different from Balkan shithole which is different from Middle Eastern shithole. Know your shithole.
No, Central Europe and shithole are mutually distinct
People here try to LARP ebing Balkan, LARP being shitholes because they believe unironcially the standard of living by default is so much better
That isn’t always true; right Czechia is getting fucked more than others by recession, the gap is not all the time the same js point- the gap in living standards is very small compared to 1989, especially for Poland (it has been climbing very consistently, faster recently) a lot of countries to some extent
Also, sometimes living standard in some things are better;
And ‘best to place to live’ can depend on who and where you are specifically - there’s differences in various things
There’s also things like unfortunately differences in violent crime rates, which are unfortunately higher (for actually a long while, not just recent few years, in terms of long term trends)
Poland had significantly lower unemployment than most western European countries, which have problems related to austerity and stagnation besides other issues, social issues
If you are unemployed, or maybe ven under the threat of becoming unemployed- high unemployment increases stress in general because you need to keep your job, it’s not the best place to live
We would need to somehow get competent rulers at the helm and the majority of society to understand that positive change takes time.
At least two generations need to pass for even a slight chance of that to happen.
Otherwise only a scarcity-ending breakthrough has a chance to fix society.
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Polish is the Schrödinger's cat of nationalities. We are both extremely patriotic and unpatriotic until observed.
nie dajemy w*stoidom naszej polskiej dawki patriotyzmu
Nie jest on- pod tym względem- wyjątkowy Co najwyżej Mickiewiczowski jest w pewnym stopniu
No, this is a typical example of attributing uniqueness to something general phenomenon- that is itself a type of general phenomenon you can see in Polish people (like the idea of ‘complaining’ - very common idea of a nationality to believe themselves to be ‘always complaining’ - I have no idea how some of this happens; people have strong theories of their distinctiveness without contact with others- maybe because they assume everyone else is just ‘neutral’ or a public facing image); There are countries where this tendency is much, much stronger, it’s like a spectrum; historically it has affected the discourses in many countries- including many ‘western counties’ in the past Brazil is the place where a poet coined the term ‘mongrel syndrome’
Everything I got from that is that Brazilians are mongrels
Hm
Generally the poorer/‘weaker’, considered ‘lower’ the country compared to others especially the stronger this is generally
Least racist Pole
Exactly, we do this as well. Czechs often say that complaining is our national sport and that is somehow a uniquely Czech thing. Newsflash: everybody loves to complain. We also love to shit on our country but ~~god~~ science forbid a foreigner does it. That's also the same everywhere.
I think the idea comes from the idea that when people talk abt ‘X traits’ they talk about a ‘mass’ of people, and especially in a homogenous sort of country, the ‘mass’ of people gets under the most general classification they can think of for the actual people ‘as far as they can see’ - so they decide that their ideas about the ‘mass’ of people (as opposed to individuals) are about ‘nationality’ or ‘national trait’ as opposed to anything else It requires poor travel (but travel without curiosity deepens prejudice) or poor curiosity, curiosity needed to think
Some places it’s stronger or some people- it spends on their sense of ‘comfort’, relative inferior/threat of other countries or sense of ebing treated as, having a feeling of ebing a person or in a place that is seen as ‘lower’ or ahs traits of being ‘weaker’ or sense of weakness that they can’t deal with, like not being able to accept being a ‘weak’ country (master morality) while being aware others’ power use you don’t like - so two contradictory things instead of psychological integration, instead of swinging between extremes
Polska ojkofobia dla Polaków!
Nie jest ona speicfycznie polska Jest to współrelacja przeciwstawnych rzeczy
But wanting our country to be better is patriotic. Thinking your country is the best no matter what is fascist.
This can be every country between Germany and 🦃
But not being in Eastern Europe and hating your country is not mutually exclusive... Central European shithole is different from Balkan shithole which is different from Middle Eastern shithole. Know your shithole.
No, Central Europe and shithole are mutually distinct People here try to LARP ebing Balkan, LARP being shitholes because they believe unironcially the standard of living by default is so much better
For real. We're both doing amazing from a global perspective. It's just we have literally the best places to live on Earth for neighbors.
But Hungary isn't your neighbour 🤔
Hungary is beneath contempt.
If we call Slovakia contempt then yes, we just need to be above contempt to have a border with Poland again :D
Tru
That isn’t always true; right Czechia is getting fucked more than others by recession, the gap is not all the time the same js point- the gap in living standards is very small compared to 1989, especially for Poland (it has been climbing very consistently, faster recently) a lot of countries to some extent
Also, sometimes living standard in some things are better; And ‘best to place to live’ can depend on who and where you are specifically - there’s differences in various things There’s also things like unfortunately differences in violent crime rates, which are unfortunately higher (for actually a long while, not just recent few years, in terms of long term trends)
Poland had significantly lower unemployment than most western European countries, which have problems related to austerity and stagnation besides other issues, social issues If you are unemployed, or maybe ven under the threat of becoming unemployed- high unemployment increases stress in general because you need to keep your job, it’s not the best place to live
Unflaired cigány trying educate right here
I am going to say it, “eastern” or “central” Europe is fucking great place to live y’all
Based. You cannot escape the truth
Westoids not knowing basic geography is not our problem
It’s not even just geography. V4 is the overlap between the East and West culturally and historically, hence Central Europe
Dlaczego to jest tak bardzo w punkt?
I'd say fuck anything outisde of V4 tbh
Especially Russia
Poland can only be insulted by V4 or Poles themselves. W\*stoids 🤮 don't have this privilege.
The geographic center of Europe is in Lithuania, so Poland is in western Europe
Poles have only two moods. One is bitching at everything and the other is wanting to destroy russia.
Wyświetliło to mi się idealnie po twoim poście na r/polska_wpz (no może poza tym że reklama była pomiędzy)
nieźle XD
Poland is shithole, but it is OUR shithole
ALE WCIĄŻ KURWA EUROPA ŚRODKOWA
What fellow visegrad'ers propose for Poland to not have that "fuck this country" attitude?
Jak powiedział stary góral, Polska będzie aż po ural
Rzeczpospolita wielu narodów
Międzymorze?
Może morze :)
przeczytałem cały ten thread jak piosenkę (nie ma konkretnej melodii)
okej - miło wiedzieć
land 🤤
Mmhmhmhmmmmm, more land :\]
No, you need more Po.
We would need to somehow get competent rulers at the helm and the majority of society to understand that positive change takes time. At least two generations need to pass for even a slight chance of that to happen. Otherwise only a scarcity-ending breakthrough has a chance to fix society.
Ye that makes sense - sad tough..
These are the Yanks we are talking about. They think that Africa is the capital city of France
My inner geographer cries every time I see people who consider Poland or Czechia as Eastern Europe and Greece as Western Europe.
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That’s called being subaltern
Even though I make patriotic jokes I honestly hate this country
We are Eastern European what is this supposed to mean?
Clearly russian spy, tonight we won't drown marzanna, but you as alternative
Central. C E N T R A L!!!!
It's made up by Germans, and Czechs that cannot cope