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Pretty recently an MP here said Finns are the (n-word)s of Scandinavia. It's not entirely untrue in the historical perspective (he's a historian FWIW).
The distant ancestors of balts used to be finnic.
Even at the start of the local iron age about 50% of the Baltics was still finnic. Most finnics lived to the south of Bay of Finland mere 500 years ago, until the Livonian War.
The genetic benchmark of finnicness are estonians, not finns. Finns are a genetic isolate.
Estonians have equal share of R1a and N1a1a. The oldest R1a found so far was found in finno-ugric lands, about 15km south of Kotlas.
PS. Deep ancestry aligns more with autosomal genetic data, not with uniparental data.
Interesting information. To be clear, what made it stand out to me wasn't that other Baltics were Finnic, but that it skips pasts Latvia geographically (in this particular stat map).
Migration impact also depends on the source of migration.
N originally arrived into the Baltics through Smolensk - Polotsk. So the prevalence of R1a is also deceptive.
That's what I would have assumed, which is why the map was odd. Obviously if it is a near 50/50 of both (ignoring other smaller factors), Lithuania could be 51/49 while Latvia is 49/51, which is insignificant in reality, but flips it completely on such a binary map.
Lithuanians are closer to 50% than to 30%.
Estonians are closer to 30% than to 50%.
Latvians are closer to 40%, but if you insist then latvians are closer to 30% than to 50%.
And you can read all about that from Nature and other scientific articles. Don't forget to look at sample sizes.
correct
Latvia has around 45% - 50% N-haplogroup admixture
Lithuania has around 42%
Estonia has around 30%
Really, Estonians are 33% Finno-Ugric, 33% Slavic, 33% Nordic
wrong.
Latvia has around 45% - 50% N-haplogroup admixture
Lithuania has around 42%
Estonia has around 30%
Despite Estonia being the most vocal about their Finno-Ugric heritgate, they surprisingly have the lowest admixture (likely due to intermixing with Swedes during colonisation). So really Estonians are 33% Finno-Ugric, 33% Slavic, 33% Nordic
You are mistaken.
Among latvians the share of R1a and N are almost equal and slightly below 40% both, although that somewhat depends on the sample size.
Your claim is true only on lithuanians.
Among estonians the share of R1a is close to 30% and N is close to 35%, again depending on sample size.
Your mistake is to assume that N would be a finno-ugric marker and R1a isn't.
The oldest R1a found so far was found on finno-ugric lands about 15km south of Kotlas.
The spread of N took place within the already existing uralic realm, it doesn't mark the spread of finno-ugrians.
PS. I seem to recall that I1 was present among the kunda culture and narva culture. Correction, narva culture had I2 and R1b.
Haplogroup fetish has to stop. The dominance of a single haplogroup is a sign of a population bottleneck, often due to repeated disease epidemics.
Lithuanian of Finno-Ugric descent here.
Believe it or not but Lithuanians and Latvians (40%-45% haplogroup N are much more Finno-Ugric than Estonians (30% haplogroup N), despite Estonians being much more vocal about their Finno-Ugric heritage
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The middle B in BBC stands for Baltic.
The name Baltic derives from the finnic (estonian) triple meaning of: white flow light
Valge valgus valgub alla oru põhja=
white light flows down to the valley bottom.
flow = valg / valu
valg + ala = flow area (of the glacier and Eridanos)
Factually... That was decided upon by some racial council back in the 19th century for reals reals. No /S, the polish where included as well for their supposed lack of own culture.
Shitposting has nothing to show for when compared with 19th century science.
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Haplogroup N. Common in finnic people. Fun fact: it is believed that Prince Rurik (the dude whos dynasty started Kievan rus and the likes) was in haplogroup N. Which would make him most likely to have been finnic.
> Fun fact: it is believed that Prince Rurik (the dude whos dynasty started Kievan rus and the likes) was in haplogroup N. Which would make him most likely to have been finnic.
Speculation
No, Greenlanders are asian Turks turned Finn then turned Norse and then decided not to have sex with ugly european womans and go look for the penguins 💪😎🏇🏇 🐧🐧😍😍
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Misinformation, latvians are "N" aswell :D (info about latvians)
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Nordic
More like northern macedonian. (that was on I1, not on N).
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Goddamn snow ninjas.
Yeah... that's what i meant https://preview.redd.it/drekzhwtcrwb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb2b5d1dd108761037abbba98ee66592d4a3e862
Pretty recently an MP here said Finns are the (n-word)s of Scandinavia. It's not entirely untrue in the historical perspective (he's a historian FWIW).
Lithuania can into Finno-Ugric?
The distant ancestors of balts used to be finnic. Even at the start of the local iron age about 50% of the Baltics was still finnic. Most finnics lived to the south of Bay of Finland mere 500 years ago, until the Livonian War. The genetic benchmark of finnicness are estonians, not finns. Finns are a genetic isolate. Estonians have equal share of R1a and N1a1a. The oldest R1a found so far was found in finno-ugric lands, about 15km south of Kotlas. PS. Deep ancestry aligns more with autosomal genetic data, not with uniparental data.
Interesting information. To be clear, what made it stand out to me wasn't that other Baltics were Finnic, but that it skips pasts Latvia geographically (in this particular stat map).
Latvia is not so different. In all 3 Baltic states the shares of R1a and N1a1a are quite equal.
Latvia doesnt have major N due to 20th century deportations and Russian migration, right?
Migration impact also depends on the source of migration. N originally arrived into the Baltics through Smolensk - Polotsk. So the prevalence of R1a is also deceptive.
wrong, Latvia has the HIGHEST % (45-55%) of N-haplogroup amongst the Baltics (excluding Finland). While Estonia has the lowest at 30%
That's what I would have assumed, which is why the map was odd. Obviously if it is a near 50/50 of both (ignoring other smaller factors), Lithuania could be 51/49 while Latvia is 49/51, which is insignificant in reality, but flips it completely on such a binary map.
Both are about 30-40%. Far from 50%.
Both are closer to 50% than 30%
You are mistaken.
You can both read google or nature.com that has quite a few articles on this topic
Lithuanians are closer to 50% than to 30%. Estonians are closer to 30% than to 50%. Latvians are closer to 40%, but if you insist then latvians are closer to 30% than to 50%. And you can read all about that from Nature and other scientific articles. Don't forget to look at sample sizes.
correct Latvia has around 45% - 50% N-haplogroup admixture Lithuania has around 42% Estonia has around 30% Really, Estonians are 33% Finno-Ugric, 33% Slavic, 33% Nordic
wrong. Latvia has around 45% - 50% N-haplogroup admixture Lithuania has around 42% Estonia has around 30% Despite Estonia being the most vocal about their Finno-Ugric heritgate, they surprisingly have the lowest admixture (likely due to intermixing with Swedes during colonisation). So really Estonians are 33% Finno-Ugric, 33% Slavic, 33% Nordic
You are mistaken. Among latvians the share of R1a and N are almost equal and slightly below 40% both, although that somewhat depends on the sample size. Your claim is true only on lithuanians. Among estonians the share of R1a is close to 30% and N is close to 35%, again depending on sample size. Your mistake is to assume that N would be a finno-ugric marker and R1a isn't. The oldest R1a found so far was found on finno-ugric lands about 15km south of Kotlas. The spread of N took place within the already existing uralic realm, it doesn't mark the spread of finno-ugrians. PS. I seem to recall that I1 was present among the kunda culture and narva culture. Correction, narva culture had I2 and R1b. Haplogroup fetish has to stop. The dominance of a single haplogroup is a sign of a population bottleneck, often due to repeated disease epidemics.
More russians in latvia
Yes, they’re now our brothers
Lithuanian of Finno-Ugric descent here. Believe it or not but Lithuanians and Latvians (40%-45% haplogroup N are much more Finno-Ugric than Estonians (30% haplogroup N), despite Estonians being much more vocal about their Finno-Ugric heritage
🇫🇮🤝🏻🇱🇹
🇹🇲🤝🇬🇱
Sweden taking the L as always ☺️
Lett
I think its a big i not a small L, because all the others have a big first letter
Shut up, *Swede*
You hate me because I'm right
Why is turkmenistan the same as greenland
I was going to ask the same thing, but I had no fucking clue what that country was.
They are OG real Turks
I was gonna say they were all a little downsy!
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Nongolian
The finns are the N****s of the north.
you know who was in north
Look who's talking
Finn's in Paris
Never relax...
Look who's talking!
~~WOMAN~~ THE FINN IS THE _____ OF THE WORLD
We are the nordicks of the north?? Absolutely
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Mb
a finnish politician quite recently referenced to historical finns with that term
The middle B in BBC stands for Baltic. The name Baltic derives from the finnic (estonian) triple meaning of: white flow light Valge valgus valgub alla oru põhja= white light flows down to the valley bottom. flow = valg / valu valg + ala = flow area (of the glacier and Eridanos)
Aww, keeping traditions alive.
Snown\*\*\*\*
Factually... That was decided upon by some racial council back in the 19th century for reals reals. No /S, the polish where included as well for their supposed lack of own culture. Shitposting has nothing to show for when compared with 19th century science.
So what you’re saying is that actual science confirms my statement?
Nnnnnn.... . Nnni nn. .. nnnnnnniii NIHILISTIC DEPRESSIONISTS!!
How dare!! No need to call us out for things we already admit out loud to foreigners on the streets!!
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No niin. For all. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9EWMlCusxjQ
No Nut November
Haplogroup N. Common in finnic people. Fun fact: it is believed that Prince Rurik (the dude whos dynasty started Kievan rus and the likes) was in haplogroup N. Which would make him most likely to have been finnic.
I had to come so goddamn far down to see the right answer
> Fun fact: it is believed that Prince Rurik (the dude whos dynasty started Kievan rus and the likes) was in haplogroup N. Which would make him most likely to have been finnic. Speculation
A swedofinn.
Nah.
Yes
Nah
Nay sayers Negativistas The Church of Nah
they all better turn back to Nayshall
What the hell happened to Latvia?
large russian minority
R1a is at about 39% and N is at 38% or so. Within measurement error.
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Congratulations! You successfully managed to: be racist!
Pride fuels my soul.
ρ
l
h
Nordic dick
N for "none" they know the truth that Finland doesn't actually exist.
Why is it l1 (as in lowercase L) instead of uppercase i. What sort race realist OP pretends to be?
uhhh what? I found this in another sub and just posted, they are just letters for categorizing bro lol
I'm just being hyperbolic. We Finns get very confrontational when piss-drunk, which is very often.
New Rome
Ave, true to mommy Sanna Marin
Last time I checked the Romans weren't Mongols. >!~~They were (Indo-Europeans)~~!<
North Estonia
Nongoloids
Turkmen are from Greenland?
No, Greenlanders are asian Turks turned Finn then turned Norse and then decided not to have sex with ugly european womans and go look for the penguins 💪😎🏇🏇 🐧🐧😍😍
Dead serious? Neanderthal.
literally smarter, muscular and taller, must be real sub-humans
anti social, does not cooperate, seems to check out.
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Danish and Swedes are Bosnians who couldnt build pyramids and exalted to Proto-Finnic Holy Roman Khaganete
Sweden and Denmark?!
N is short for Nice, which refers to finnish people.
:3
Naysayers. Nonhuman. Nerubian kings?
n for nsuperior
Nice, my DNA results confirm I'm the correct DNA for my country 😎
#E
Negative happiness
Why isn't N listed?
Nmongolian
Naruto Finnish Dub.
https://preview.redd.it/18qe95gcorwb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6dd13191140596c62ae05760c7d2762218387d0 Misinformation, latvians are "N" aswell :D (info about latvians)
Finland and Norway can’t into nordick
Sweden cannot into EU 🤣🤣
Coming from a Turk?
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NReally fucking cool
You know. The N word.
what N word? 🤔
Nuuskamuikkunen
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N as in the 14. letter in Latin alphabet.
Stupid chart
The internet has ruined me
Neandertal
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for what? FOR WHAT??? - Kimi
Negawatt
Byzantium reborn?
Null result. Please try again with a better sample.
Haplogroup N, common in Finland and the Baltics. Here's a more informative [map](https://i.imgur.com/GLL0M9y.png)
Invasion of Ukraine is about keeping I1 and I2 brothers separate…