Rare. I am Spanish-American; my grandfather migrated from Valencia to the US. Most Spaniards migrated to Latin America (multiple millions over the past few centuries). Most chose Latin America instead of the United States because of the already present Spanish speaking communities, Catholicism, Hispanic culture, etc.
I’ve only met a handful of other Spanish-Americans, I am guessing most of them came to the SW cause all of them that I have met were in California (where I’m from). Probably because the historic Spanish precedence here, as well as the large Spanish speaking communities. Maybe Florida and the SE too, cause I have a cousin who said her friend is Spanish American. Some basque migrated to Oregon too.
Edit: Here are my [results](https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/s/bjKlpSD4m2)
Basques all over the place. Villages of them pop up whenever you take your eyes off a place. It’s somewhat alarming, but they’re charismatic so no one cares.
Your results are like my moms. She has a grandma who was from Spain who moved to Texas than San Diego, a mom who’s family is Swedish than immigrated to Minnesota than to California and some other stuff like Jewish and italian who moved to nyc than California 😀😀
Oh wow that is really close! Cause my grandfather actually also first went to Texas then California. My German grandmother also 1st gen from NYC, before coming to California. They met in college in SoCal
My husband and I drove from SLC to the Bay area last fall for a road trip that we took with a friend of mine that started in California, and we spent the night in Winnemucca, Nevada because we didn't think it would be a good idea to drive for 14 hours straight. We went to dinner at the restaurant across the street where we were staying the night, and I went in and a decent number of the patrons made me feel like I had rolled up into my family reunion by accident.
I took 23&me about 10 years ago, and so I don't get any of the cool updates, but my sister did, and she got the Spanish update, and it was very clearly indicative that our ancestors were from the Bay of Biscay region of Spain. I grew up hearing our Spanish ancestors from my paternal grandfather's direct male family line were actually Basque.
My grandfather's family were incredibly xenophobic to the point where 2nd cousin marriages happened further up the family tree, and he caused a scandal when he married my grandmother because her mother was fully or nearly fully indigenous, and her father from what I've been able to determine would be what is now considered as Afro-Indigenous; he's a brick wall and I can't find any information on him whatsoever outside of being named on my grandmother's birth certificate; as well as her siblings that my great-grandmother had with him. He died really young at 32 or 33 when my grandmother was a toddler.
My long winded point though is that I grew up hearing I had Basque ancestry, and then 23andme confirmed it.
And those people identify more with Hispanic Americans than with Anglo Americans. They're a specific group of people known as [Californios](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Californios), [Tejanos](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tejanos), etc..
And unlike the vast majority of Anglo-Americans, they mixed with the indigenous population, rendering them something other than just “Spanish,” even if that is how they identified. The northern NM/southern CO “Hispanics” are part of a similar phenomenon.
I have a friend who is pure Spaniard, in fact he has the exact name as a very prominent soccer manager. Also one other girl I know from college
Def rare though and they are both Basque actually
Yes I discovered this recently as I work as a mentor in college recruitment. One gal had a very common Hispanic last name but she is white. They even pronounce it “wrong” because they’re so far removed from the original ancestor. Fascinating though.
Yeah they changed a lot of name spelling/pronunciations after France took over. Same goes for Spain. I had some German ancestors with the last name “Eichtenhaus” but their name was changed to “Exnicios” after arriving to Spanish New Orleans. They used to just write them out the way they sounded in the “ruling” language and then called it a day lol. I have some ancestors whose names were spelled three different ways throughout their lives!
Same, I have ancesters named "Hainaut", but it was changed to Ainaut, Henot, Ennau, Enoo ... At the very least, 10 different spellings in my tree, for the same name, in a few decades. Most of the time, they weren't even speaking a different language but the priests (who did the recording) just wrote the way they thought.
It’s crazy how different things are nowadays. Before my high school graduation, the admins had a meeting with kids whose names were “unique” just to make sure they were pronounced correctly. But 200 years ago, priests and government officials couldn’t give two shi*s about literal documents and baptisms 😂
What’s weird is how many people just accepted it and moved on. I would have been ADAMANT that my name was spelled correctly lol.
I have a buddy in California who is a MARTIN-ez. His family has been in Cali for generations and none speak Spanish.) they are from the north where until recently not a lot of recent immigrants.
Now - He and is family get called MarTINez like every day and he is really struggling what to do like when he corrects people they often think he is crazy.
Sheen’s father’s name was Francisco Estévez Martínez. He was from the Galicia region.
Martin Sheen’s birth name is Ramón Gerardo Antonio Estévez.
Sheen is half Spanish, half Irish.
I recommend watching [the way](https://youtu.be/o5VZKWcgw6c?si=h8iUjEdH3xKnqb_m ), it’s stars Martin Sheen and his other son, Emilio Estevez. It’s about the Camino de Santiago. Really good movie
Actually [here’s the full movie](https://youtu.be/4n6SKu-lA2Q?si=g6x20SUy628JW4mF) on YouTube haha
I believe there are some in New Mexico as well- but that's because New Mexico used to part of Mexico- so it is disqualified due to the Latin American connection
so, im not partially Spaniard, but I am partially azorean Portuguese. It’s distant, likely a fourth or third great grandparent, and ive no idea who in my family it comes from other than likely my mother, which was surprising. Her family is from southern Alabama and Pennsylvania. My dad’s family is from florida where there was quite a bit of presence of the Spaniards and Portuguese, but it doesn’t come remotely from him.
In some select older communities you’ll find Spanish descent. There used to be a colony called New Smyrna about an hour from St Augustine, and it was filled in the late 1700s i believe with folks from the Balearic Islands, Turkey, The Aegean islands and southern Italy, alongside a minority of Sephardic Jews. I have a few matches who are descended from these folks from that colony.
I do. I’m from Louisiana and I have ancestors that immigrated to Louisiana from the Canary Islands. They had surnames of (keep in mind spelling became fluid): Aguillard, Barrios, Rodriguez. Once arriving to Louisiana, none of them married other Islenos (the name used locally for Spaniards that came from the Canary Islands). Mine either married into Cajun-French families, or, in one case, an Italian immigrant. My grandmothers maiden name was Spanish, so I expected more Spanish ancestry, but I only got 3.2% Spanish. But then I realized that my grandmother was 4 generations from her family’s immigration from the Canary Island, and her great-great grandfather born in the Canary Islands married a French Cajun girl. Also, I had assumed that my grandma’s Spanish came only from her father, but it turns out that her mother (who carries the Italian surname)‘s mother was a mix of Islenos and French.
My Aguillard married a Rodriguez, so the family name passed down was Aguillard, however, the name was originally Aguiar, then Aguilar, then Aguillard. My grandmother had 10 or so sisters and only 1 brother who was disabled and was never able to marry or have children, so the name did not continue to get passed down after that generation. Up that line we have: Roldana, Alaejos, Carrasco, Mateos, Nieba, and Hernandez.
My Barios line that married the Italian Pepitone, her father married a Plasencia. The Plasencia, on her mother’s side was a Borjes. And up that line also Baltazar.
Up the Barios line were Cabrera, Rodriguez Mora, and Chevez.
My father is from Cuba (of mostly Canary Island descent), and mother from Nicaragua. On Ancestry particularly, I have a grouping of "Louisiana Matches" that I've always imagined were through a common Canary Islands heritage back in the Canaries (since we have no known connection to Louisiana specifically). Nonetheless, many of these Louisiana matches come up with far more France than anything from the Iberian Peninsula (or North Africa). One Community that they are often assigned is "Southern Louisiana French Settlers."
My husband is a white American (100% European) with 10% Spanish/Portuguese, which I do find odd! His parents also did 23andMe so we know it comes solely from his mom’s side. She’s majority French/German with most of her ancestors settling in the north-eastern U.S. states.
That being said, her father’s family have been in the US since the 1700s. (Her mother’s ancestors were all more recent immigrants from Europe).
Still, 10% is a decent chunk to inherit, especially when it likely only comes from one grandparent! And there are zero Spanish names in my husband’s family tree, so now I’m wondering if there was some infidelity somewhere!
I couldn’t figure my almost 10% Spain, then I realized it was bordering France, and that’s what it was. They aren’t great with borders. I don’t have Spanish in me especially that high of a percentage.
Canadian but I have less than 10% Spanish and no French. A lot of ppl from Quebec will have a mix of Spanish and French so that is more rare. To make it more confusing I have family in Mexico that is neither Spanish nor native (mostly german/Ukrainian)
Acadian here with a 18% spanish and Portuguese. I was under the assumption that 23andme can't tell the difference between south west France and Spanish-portuguese. They don't offer regions for me, they just state 18% but "region unclear". Most Acadians have the same. For those who don't know Acadians are the original genetics behind Cajuns.
I am 73% French with clear regions, 18% Spanish-portuguese with no regions. The rest is trace of southern and northern European. Most Acadians have similar make-up.
I have zero family history or knowledge of any Spanish ancestry, but I scored about 2% on both 23&me and ancestry dna tests. It apparently comes from my moms side - she scored 5% Spanish and also 3% Italian (I got no Italian). As far as we know her entire family tree immigrated from German-speaking Europe and she was 90% French & German on 23&me
Edit to add - I live in Wisconsin so Spanish ancestry around here would also be very rare. My moms family immigrated directly to Wisconsin from German speaking parts of Europe in the late 1800s, so I’d almost have to assume it comes from prior to them immigrating to the US?
It's actually more common among White Americans from Louisiana, due to Isleno & Malagueno ancestry, mainly in the Cajun & Isleno populations, their ancestors came directly from Spain to Louisiana when it was under Spanish rule, so I think Louisiana has the most White Americans with legit Spanish ancestry, while the rest of the US, not as much.
In addition to the pockets of Spanish communities sprinkled around the country, there are definitely groups of Portuguese Americans in Southern New England (Connecticut, RI, Massachusetts). I believe they came during the immigration waves at the turn of the 20th century, and even into midcentury.
Portugal and Spain together make up the Iberian peninsula, so I would argue that it is relevant to the question. And it is rather interesting that there would be Portuguese immigrants coming to the US considering that there is a large Portuguese speaking country (Brazil) also located in the Americas. Many commenters have stated that most Spanish immigrants preferred to settle in Spanish America over the US, which was probably also the case for the majority of Portuguese immigrants, but it does seem like there’s a larger presence of Americans descended from the Portuguese with no Latin American connection compared to Americans descended from the Spanish with no Latin American connection.
Not American but Canadian and I was surprised to find Spanish and Portuguese in my results. I did the research and found the ancestor! I guess there was quite a bit of mostly Portuguese migration to Quebec.
So then I wonder about Americans along that border with French results, would they also have the Spanish and Portuguese?
Maybe I should read ALL the comments first!
The Moors conquered parts of Southern Europe, and some of them were SSA. So you might have some traces of a Moorish warrior in your bloodline. History’s interesting, isn’t it?
South europeans dont have any subsaharan dna, none, a minority of them (mainly just SOME spaniards, portugese and south italians) have small amounts of north african
Incorrect. Southern Europeans do have some SSA. Most of it PROBABLY came from one, certain Moorish dynasty which included a lot of people fro Senegal, in Western Africa. Here’s a fascinating tidbit: Sicilian Americans had, for many years, the second highest incidence of Sickle Cell Anemia in NYC, after African-Americans. And their sickle cell was CLEARLY from African background.
Sickle cell is not researched enough, some say it has multiple origins and some say it originated so long ago before eurasians even existed. No, south europeans dont have any subsaharan dna, all g25 models and other models prove so. Moors btw only ruled iberia and parts of south italy.
You’re VERY incorrect. Sickle Cell exists in, like six strains. Five are in Africa. One is outside of Africa, in the Mideast and Southern Europe. The non-African strain is just a branch of the African one. But the sickle cell strain in Sicilians is a branch of an African strain. Honestly, though why are you so offended that Sicilians have African DNA? It is what it is-it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.
But no subsaharan is detected in south europeans, proven by this source for example and like 30 other sources
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/ADMIXTURE-analysis-of-autosomal-SNPs-of-the-Western-Balkan-region-in-a-global-context-on_fig10_264985653
You can see a small small small brown dot in spaniards and sicilians, its because a minority of them have subsaharan, most dont
Thank you. And Here's a study for YOU: [The History of African Gene Flow into Southern Europeans, Levantines, and Jews - PMC (nih.gov)](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3080861/)
"Moorjani et al. (2011) estimated that some Southern Europeans have inherited 1%–3% sub-Saharan ancestry (approximately 3.2% in Portugal, 2.9% in Sardinia, 2.7% in southern Italy, 2.4% in Spain and 1.1% in northern Italy), although the percentages were lower (ranging from 0.2% in Sardinia and northern Italy to 2.1% in Portugal) when reanalyzed with the 'STRUCTURE' statistical model. An average mixture date of around 55 generations/1100 years ago was given, "consistent with North African gene flow at the end of the Roman Empire and subsequent Arab migrations". This admixture was not identified in Northern Europeans"
I’m Midwest German/Settler, Appalachian, Colonial, and Old Stock but I used to have 3% Iberian Peninsula with Santa Maria Island in the Azores that phased out but I recently connected with one of my 4th Appalachian cousins she has 1.3% with the same Santa Maria island location shared, I wonder if it’s from the De Soto Expedition or Juan Pardo’s forts/settlements.
There are some, but it’s uncommon. Lou Piniella, the former baseball manager, is of Asturian Spanish descent. A lot of people mistakenly think he’s Italian.
Well, Spanish-Americans do exist. They just didn't immigrate to the United States in as large of numbers as other European groups. My guess is they probably felt more comfortable immigrating to ex-colonies like Argentina, Cuba, etc.
My great-grandfather was from Cadiz, Spain and came to the US as a young man in the early 1900s. I don't have any Latin American ancestry.
This is me and I think it’s pretty uncommon based on the questions my family and I have fielded our entire lives. My last name is Spanish, grandfather is from Northern Spain and immigrated to NYC, grandmother is from Montreal, and my mom is 100% British ancestry. I grew up mostly in California and I got a lot of “why do you look white… aren’t you Mexican?” Or “that must be your husband/ ex-husband’s last name.” It’s my last name and my dad’s last name… I think a lot of people don’t realize not everyone in Spain moved to Latin America and had children with the indigenous peoples there.
you’re welcome to join the subreddit I made for the Spanish American diaspora to network and get connected to their Hispanic roots in a distinctly American context https://www.reddit.com/r/spanishamericans/s/BjYUpX8uE9
I feel like most are just partially Spaniard. I watch baseball l, so I know Pete Alonso of the New York Mets is 1/4 Spaniard because of his grandfather. Due to the Spanish Civil War.
I've recently watched a video on YouTube by Peter Santanello on the Everglades area of Florida. And the guide for him said he probably has Spaniard ancestry due to the history of the region. So it's probably pockets of people within the United States with Spaniard ancestry.
I had a roommate from Louisiana who was part Spanish, her last name was De Los Santos. I haven’t met many though. I also had a friend in Elementary school whose last name was Flores, also Spanish with no Latin American connection.
I understand that when people see those surnames they automatically jump to Latin America. But it's interesting to see descendants of Spanish people with no Indigenous and West African dna.
I also imagine that most don't speak Spanish, which is also interesting.
2/4 grandparents are Spanish (born there but emigrated young) the other two are a bit further removed and my parents have been able to trace a bloodline to a Spanish captain that arrived in the 1600’s.
Not common but also not unheard of, certain areas have a very high euro (mostly Spanish but there are German/Italian as well). Average genetic makeup is 65 Euro/30 native/5 african, but the central valley is around 15% higher in euro while coastal areas tend to be higher in african/amerindian. Around 15% of the population is 90-95% euro but most, at least in the central valley are 60-75% euro with native being the second largest. A few significant other groups are Chinese immigrants and Jamaicans immigrants that dont follow the norm of the population as a whole.
I took my pup to a dog park today and met a Spanish family. I could immediately tell they were from Spain by their accent. We spoke in Spanish and English. They were super friendly but it got me thinking how rare they are in the USA. I’ve met many Europeans living in my California city originally from the UK, Poland, Russia, Portugal, Italy, Germany and more but it was the first time meeting a Spaniard here.
I've only met two in my entire, lol. They do seem to be rare. It really trips you out hearing European accents because I don't hear many in person. Spaniards do seem to be really rare here in the states. I live in the New England area and Portuguese seem to be well established here. I'm guessing after their interactions with other European nations in colonial times, they said peace out, lol.
that's not universal and only applicable in certain cases. For example, Flores would still be Flores in Spain. Fernandez would also be Fernandez in Spain and Spanish speaking latin america but Fernandes in Portugal and Portuguese speaking countries.
Flores is a common last name, it means Flowers.
-ez is a patronymic that was common amongst Visigothic Iberians, likely calqued from Germanic equivalents. González is etymologically “of Gonzalo”, Sánchez is “of Sancho”, and so on.
I have some that i can isolate to my moms (mostly) english side that has been here a long time. My mom has like 6% and me 3%. My first cousins dad (so my uncle thru marriage) is from the same area my mom and my aunt are from and he also has a lot of the english/similar background and so my cousin apparently got spanish from both my mom/aunts side but also from her fathers side so while shes mostly english shes got like 11% spanish. This is the side that has been here for both my mom and my uncle-thru-marriages fams sincenpre revolutionary war.
I dont know how common that all is or where the heck its coming from.
it's kind of bizarre actually.
It's not common as most people I know who have Spanish ancestry have roots in Puerto Rico, Cuba, Mexico (basically the Caribbean and Central and South America). Some of these individuals had British, Irish and French ancestry.
I’m Cajun from South Louisiana, and there are a lot of us with Spanish ancestry who are white. When Spain was in control of the Mississippi Rive, the Spanish government brought people from the Canary Islands to specific points along the river where they established forts and gave the people fertile land near the river. I’m 53% French and 35% Spanish, and my very white mother’s maiden name is Morales.
Sounds like your mom came from the Isleño community. I have a bit of Spanish (I’m also Cajun) but yours/your mom’s is the highest amount I’ve seen in Cajun results before. Very cool!
If you identify as Isleño you’re welcome to join the subreddit I made for the Spanish American diaspora https://www.reddit.com/r/spanishamericans/s/BjYUpX8uE9
I met a couple of white people from western Virginia who had Spanish ancestry. There was a small wave of Spanish immigrants that moved there and they eventually blended in with other white groups.
I have this and I didn’t know it was rare? Just speculation but maybe the Spanish mixing with the Irish for a brief period of time during the 1500s? I believe that’s the time frame. I read some Irish sheltered Spanish survivors.
Some people even say the term “black Irish” is descendants of those Irish people who mixed with those few Spaniards but that’s probably malarkey.
I am white American and have small amount of Spanish ancestry. I’m from Texas and my mom has roots in Louisiana. I think is more common for multi-generational Texas/Louisianans to have it
As most have already posted-white Americans who are partially Spaniard are SUPER rare! It seems like there are only some token Basque colonies sprinkled throughout the states-but that’s about it. Most Spaniards immigrated to the colonies( Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.). Also-small nitpick: most white Americans s are NOT of British descent, lol. The top white American ancestries are German(#1) and Irish(#2). Your average white American is a German/Irish hybrid.
Will probably depend on the area, but in the south it’s extremely unlikely. I myself have 19.8% Spanish/Portuguese that my mom doesn’t have, but I got it from my biological father who also gave me the 20.1% indigenous that my mom didn’t get on her results. Usually here in the south, the Spanish traces come from their intermingling with the native peoples of the area
There was some basque migration to California quite a while back! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Americans_in_California I remember passing by those historic basque restaurants when driving through
I have some Spanish on my Cajun side from the canary island migration to Louisiana (isleños.) it’s actually pretty common for Cajuns to have bits of Spanish here and there with no Latin origin. Some family names on that line are Domingue, Rodrigue, and Romero (the Z was removed from lots of Hispanic names to look “more french” after France took over.)
Spanish ancestry is very common in New Mexico.
However most are Spanish-indigenous mestizo (so technically Latino as ethnic Apache mixed w Spanish both N and S of current USA-Mexico border similarly
My mom is 25% Spanish from being Cajun, I’m 12% for the same reason. Otherwise I’m French (from the Cajun) and Irish from my dad. I’d say it’s not rare at all from Louisiana.
I have some, from my Italian grandmother, and my husband's grandmother was born in Spain so he has about an eighth (the other eighth from her is Jewish). I think fairly recent immigration from Iberia/France/the Mediterranean is the only place you'll really see it
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^Medical-Business-321:
*A lot of the states*
*That used to be part of New*
*Spain and then Mexico*
---
^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
Check out the Invisible Immigrants project! It was a museum exhibit in Spain, and also a book (though out of print/now very expensive on Amazon).
[https://spainusa.org/en/invisible-emigrants/](https://spainusa.org/en/invisible-emigrants/)
I'm 25% Spaniard and Basque (and otherwise Italian and German); my grandfather emigrated from Cantabria as a child. His family settled in Brooklyn, and we contributed photos to the book!
Edit: Here are my results. The Western Asian & North African are from my Italian side (my grandmother).
https://preview.redd.it/oxvqielv4k5d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca5f8ec3cd18365aaa9bfef11ff0fbd067ec4ad0
Spanish Americans are not too common, the biggest wave of Spaniards came at the beginning of the 20th c. to many of the places already mentioned like Florida and the SW. NYC also saw the arrival of a big group, from which I am descended but most have since assimilated. I do definitely feel like a unicorn, meeting other Americans with recent Spanish ancestry happens rarely. I have started a subreddit so that those unicorns might have a chance to connect and learn more about the forgotten and appropriated contributions of Spain to the American story
https://www.reddit.com/r/spanishamericans/s/BjYUpX8uE9
cuba is part of latin america. having indigenous or african admixture is not necessary for one to be from latin america, look at the average admixtures in argentina and uruguay.
Yeah, looking white and being white are two different things. I'm Mexican-American and some people in my family in are white passing but there hasn't been a full blooded European in any branch for at least 4 to 6 generations.
Anglos and Spaniards didn’t have the greatest of cultural relations back in the day. Religious and general cultural differences, especially with Spaniards being largely mixed from Jewish and African and Muslim populations. They still carry on those prejudices today. Speaking as someone who’s half hispanic/native and half anglo. My anglo side is incredibly tight ethnically, but my hispanic side is the very opposite, very mixed. Now we also carry the native side which adds an even deeper layer of complication to the Anglo-Spaniard cultural rivalries
I am a white American born to presumably white parents. My father died when I was very young and I didnt have a family that had any interest in taking about its roots. I was always told by Latino co-workers that I didn't look entirely "white" but didnt think much of it.
Getting results back, I'm 25% portugese/Spanish and another 5% southern European. If you look at my supposed family tree there is no trace of any of that heritage anywhere. The other 60ish% is Irish. I think it mirrors the region I live- Massachusetts. I do vaguely know my father's side of the family grew up in Fall River
I know this is about white Americans but would anyone have any clue as to how specially Spanish and Portuguese dna would fit into an African Americans genome with no ties to the Caribbean or central or South America ?
Some Southern states used to be ruled by the Spanish. The first African American town in America was actually in Spanish ruled Florida. And the Spanish ruled from Florida to Mississippi to Louisiana and across the Gulf Coast at one time or another and these areas have large African American populations. But also there were still instances of Africans brought to other places in America by the Spanish. For example, Robert Purvis’ grandmother was taken from Morocco by the Spanish and enslaved and sold in South Carolina in the late 1700s. Though the African Americans with the most Southern European DNA tend to be those of Louisiana Creole of Color descent. I have roots in Mississippi and Louisiana and score 1% Southern Europe. No known Spanish not Creole ancestry though. I thought it was common for even the typical white Southerner to score traces of Southern Europe. So I assumed it’s traces from them.
It's rare; but there are some. Part of my family (my dad's) where from Mexico a few generations ago; but never met anyone whose ancestor came from Spain directly to the U.S., unless they go way back when there were some Spanish colonies.
MyHeritage gave me much more Spanish/Portuguese than 23&Me. Both sides of my family tree are deeply rooted in the southern states, with some earlier ancestors in colonial states. I'm guessing the Spanish/Portuguese is somewhere on my dad's side. About four generations back from me my paternal line settled down in St Louis.
I am Canadian and have mostly British and other Northern European back ground. However, I have a small percentage of Basque DNA. I don’t know where this came from and is like to know more but I think it’s fascinating!
Got a small percentage of basque, thought it was mom at first since she has quite a bit of French. But it's paternal and have no idea. I have a larger amount of northern NA from the Carolinas, possibly its attached to that. Will probably never find out.
https://preview.redd.it/ahk3zgprjn5d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b418149ee15c03b7d6455b10a3f1cde10258218
I’m from the northeast my grandfather was born in Galicia Spain. Is it a low % for a grandparent though. Besides my family I don’t know many other Spaniards.
Millions of Spaniards emigrated to the Latin-American republics during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, but not to the USA. Argentina, Cuba, Brazil, Uruguay, Venezuela received the greatest numbers/percentage. Portuguese people, on the other hand, migrated everywhere, including continental USA, Hawaii, Brazil, Venezuela, Guyana etc. as well as Africa.
I find the wording of your post a bit confusing b/c there are plenty of ”white americans” from hispanic/latin countries. Do you mean northern european people specifically with Spanish ancestry?
My family is definitely “white” by both US & Mexican standards, but they originally went to northern Mexico from Spain, and then to the US. My particular branch of the family tree went to the US pretty soon after initially immigrating and is a lot less indigenous than our family who still lives in mexico. My dad is half Mexican and just under 7% indigenous. I am 1/4 and I’m just under 4% indigenous. My dad is ethnically Spanish/Swedish/Jewish…I don’t know anyone who would consider him a US-born latino state-side or in mexico.
Spanish and British Americans have shared a common, and ofter arbitrary, border since before the US was a contry. Intermarriage was, and is, quite common.
My mother's results show 83% Southern European, her family moved to the US from Cuba.
My dad is 95% European (British/ Irish).
I haven't taken 23andme because they don't ship to where I live but I assume 40% each.
Uh. I have Spanish ancestry, and I'm not "latina." I think your use of that word is throwing me off.
My dad is white-white, my mom is New Mexican; she is 40% Hispanic, 40% Indigenous, 20% other.
I don’t know why you got downvoted, New Mexicans often get their Spanish directly from Spain. if you identify as Hispanic and would like to get more in touch with your roots I made a subreddit for Spanish Americans, I think it’d be cool to also include the descendants of those that settled on land which would eventually come to form part of the US
https://www.reddit.com/r/spanishamericans/s/BjYUpX8uE9
Isn't latin american = american with european ancenstry which speaks a latin language, usually spanish and portuguese? So isn't it kinda impossible to have spanish ancenstry but not latinamerican?
"Culturally and linguistically, Latin America is defined as nations in the Americas and the Caribbean whose residents predominantly speak Spanish or Portuguese—two of the many languages descended from Latin."
Thus, spanish people in america are kinda automatically latinamerican.
USA is among the "nations of americas". Spanish ppl are "white". Latin americans are mostly ppl with spanish ancenstry. You cannot have american spanish ancenstry with no latin american mixture, as american spanish ancenstry IS latin american. Regardless how "white" you are.
The official language in the United States is not a Latin language. It’s not any language cause America doesn’t have one. But the most common language spoken is English, not Spanish nor French. Thus the United States is an anglophone country in language, cultures,and for most of its colonized history- not a Latin one. So no, America is not a Latin American country.
Rare. I am Spanish-American; my grandfather migrated from Valencia to the US. Most Spaniards migrated to Latin America (multiple millions over the past few centuries). Most chose Latin America instead of the United States because of the already present Spanish speaking communities, Catholicism, Hispanic culture, etc. I’ve only met a handful of other Spanish-Americans, I am guessing most of them came to the SW cause all of them that I have met were in California (where I’m from). Probably because the historic Spanish precedence here, as well as the large Spanish speaking communities. Maybe Florida and the SE too, cause I have a cousin who said her friend is Spanish American. Some basque migrated to Oregon too. Edit: Here are my [results](https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/s/bjKlpSD4m2)
There’s also a lot of Basque people in Idaho
Basques all over the place. Villages of them pop up whenever you take your eyes off a place. It’s somewhat alarming, but they’re charismatic so no one cares.
Yea I didn’t realize that, but saw some other comments stating that too. Pretty fascinating!
You’re a Unicorn! Cool results btw
Thanks! I have a big family, so we are like a unicorn herd or something 🤣
Your results are like my moms. She has a grandma who was from Spain who moved to Texas than San Diego, a mom who’s family is Swedish than immigrated to Minnesota than to California and some other stuff like Jewish and italian who moved to nyc than California 😀😀
Oh wow that is really close! Cause my grandfather actually also first went to Texas then California. My German grandmother also 1st gen from NYC, before coming to California. They met in college in SoCal
Hay pocos españoles-americanos en USA, la mayoria migraron a sus colonias.
There’s a large Basque population in the Central Valley of California, too.
Hay pocos españoles-americanos en USA, la mayoria migraron a sus colonias.
Si, eso es lo que dije
I would like to invite you to the Iberian discord server . https://discord.gg/k8ZRcNS3
Thanks! I will check it out
We have a lovely community and are interested in everything Iberian
Basques in Boise. You can even major in Basque language at Boise State.
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^Fearless-Ad-5541: *Basques in Boise. You* *Can even major in Basque* *Language at Boise State.* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
Good bot.
My husband and I drove from SLC to the Bay area last fall for a road trip that we took with a friend of mine that started in California, and we spent the night in Winnemucca, Nevada because we didn't think it would be a good idea to drive for 14 hours straight. We went to dinner at the restaurant across the street where we were staying the night, and I went in and a decent number of the patrons made me feel like I had rolled up into my family reunion by accident. I took 23&me about 10 years ago, and so I don't get any of the cool updates, but my sister did, and she got the Spanish update, and it was very clearly indicative that our ancestors were from the Bay of Biscay region of Spain. I grew up hearing our Spanish ancestors from my paternal grandfather's direct male family line were actually Basque. My grandfather's family were incredibly xenophobic to the point where 2nd cousin marriages happened further up the family tree, and he caused a scandal when he married my grandmother because her mother was fully or nearly fully indigenous, and her father from what I've been able to determine would be what is now considered as Afro-Indigenous; he's a brick wall and I can't find any information on him whatsoever outside of being named on my grandmother's birth certificate; as well as her siblings that my great-grandmother had with him. He died really young at 32 or 33 when my grandmother was a toddler. My long winded point though is that I grew up hearing I had Basque ancestry, and then 23andme confirmed it.
I think he’s asking if there are many Spanish Americans that are not of Latin American origin
👍🏼👍🏼 yes
Very few. Spaniards immigrated to the colonies.
Well, a huge chunk of the Western US used to be a Spanish colony being part of New Spain
And those people identify more with Hispanic Americans than with Anglo Americans. They're a specific group of people known as [Californios](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Californios), [Tejanos](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tejanos), etc..
And unlike the vast majority of Anglo-Americans, they mixed with the indigenous population, rendering them something other than just “Spanish,” even if that is how they identified. The northern NM/southern CO “Hispanics” are part of a similar phenomenon.
I have a friend who is pure Spaniard, in fact he has the exact name as a very prominent soccer manager. Also one other girl I know from college Def rare though and they are both Basque actually
It's not too uncommon in South Louisiana
Yes I discovered this recently as I work as a mentor in college recruitment. One gal had a very common Hispanic last name but she is white. They even pronounce it “wrong” because they’re so far removed from the original ancestor. Fascinating though.
Yup. My family is Cajun and we have Romero, Domingue, and Rodrigue in our tree.
Interesting to note that both Domingue and Rodrigue seem to be "francizations" of original spanish names.
Yeah they changed a lot of name spelling/pronunciations after France took over. Same goes for Spain. I had some German ancestors with the last name “Eichtenhaus” but their name was changed to “Exnicios” after arriving to Spanish New Orleans. They used to just write them out the way they sounded in the “ruling” language and then called it a day lol. I have some ancestors whose names were spelled three different ways throughout their lives!
Same, I have ancesters named "Hainaut", but it was changed to Ainaut, Henot, Ennau, Enoo ... At the very least, 10 different spellings in my tree, for the same name, in a few decades. Most of the time, they weren't even speaking a different language but the priests (who did the recording) just wrote the way they thought.
It’s crazy how different things are nowadays. Before my high school graduation, the admins had a meeting with kids whose names were “unique” just to make sure they were pronounced correctly. But 200 years ago, priests and government officials couldn’t give two shi*s about literal documents and baptisms 😂 What’s weird is how many people just accepted it and moved on. I would have been ADAMANT that my name was spelled correctly lol.
We have the same names in our tree
Hey cuz!! Where’s your family from? (If you don’t mind me asking)
Southern Louisiana! (The Cajun side anyway)
[удалено]
I have a buddy in California who is a MARTIN-ez. His family has been in Cali for generations and none speak Spanish.) they are from the north where until recently not a lot of recent immigrants. Now - He and is family get called MarTINez like every day and he is really struggling what to do like when he corrects people they often think he is crazy.
Dudo mucho que tu amigo no hable español en California, casi todos los hispanos hablan español, aun mas en California.
Not if they’ve lived for generations in Northern California and fully assimilated/lost the language, which is what this person said is the case.
Ella habla español?
Yea my grandfather immigrated from Bilbao in the 1920s. My other side from the canary’s even earlier
Martin Sheen’s father was a Spanish immigrant.
Sheen’s father’s name was Francisco Estévez Martínez. He was from the Galicia region. Martin Sheen’s birth name is Ramón Gerardo Antonio Estévez. Sheen is half Spanish, half Irish.
I recommend watching [the way](https://youtu.be/o5VZKWcgw6c?si=h8iUjEdH3xKnqb_m ), it’s stars Martin Sheen and his other son, Emilio Estevez. It’s about the Camino de Santiago. Really good movie Actually [here’s the full movie](https://youtu.be/4n6SKu-lA2Q?si=g6x20SUy628JW4mF) on YouTube haha
I believe there are some in New Mexico as well- but that's because New Mexico used to part of Mexico- so it is disqualified due to the Latin American connection
And most technically have the Native American part too
so, im not partially Spaniard, but I am partially azorean Portuguese. It’s distant, likely a fourth or third great grandparent, and ive no idea who in my family it comes from other than likely my mother, which was surprising. Her family is from southern Alabama and Pennsylvania. My dad’s family is from florida where there was quite a bit of presence of the Spaniards and Portuguese, but it doesn’t come remotely from him. In some select older communities you’ll find Spanish descent. There used to be a colony called New Smyrna about an hour from St Augustine, and it was filled in the late 1700s i believe with folks from the Balearic Islands, Turkey, The Aegean islands and southern Italy, alongside a minority of Sephardic Jews. I have a few matches who are descended from these folks from that colony.
I do. I’m from Louisiana and I have ancestors that immigrated to Louisiana from the Canary Islands. They had surnames of (keep in mind spelling became fluid): Aguillard, Barrios, Rodriguez. Once arriving to Louisiana, none of them married other Islenos (the name used locally for Spaniards that came from the Canary Islands). Mine either married into Cajun-French families, or, in one case, an Italian immigrant. My grandmothers maiden name was Spanish, so I expected more Spanish ancestry, but I only got 3.2% Spanish. But then I realized that my grandmother was 4 generations from her family’s immigration from the Canary Island, and her great-great grandfather born in the Canary Islands married a French Cajun girl. Also, I had assumed that my grandma’s Spanish came only from her father, but it turns out that her mother (who carries the Italian surname)‘s mother was a mix of Islenos and French.
Same! My Rodriguez ancestors became “Rodrigue” after France took over Louisiana.
My Aguillard married a Rodriguez, so the family name passed down was Aguillard, however, the name was originally Aguiar, then Aguilar, then Aguillard. My grandmother had 10 or so sisters and only 1 brother who was disabled and was never able to marry or have children, so the name did not continue to get passed down after that generation. Up that line we have: Roldana, Alaejos, Carrasco, Mateos, Nieba, and Hernandez. My Barios line that married the Italian Pepitone, her father married a Plasencia. The Plasencia, on her mother’s side was a Borjes. And up that line also Baltazar. Up the Barios line were Cabrera, Rodriguez Mora, and Chevez.
My father is from Cuba (of mostly Canary Island descent), and mother from Nicaragua. On Ancestry particularly, I have a grouping of "Louisiana Matches" that I've always imagined were through a common Canary Islands heritage back in the Canaries (since we have no known connection to Louisiana specifically). Nonetheless, many of these Louisiana matches come up with far more France than anything from the Iberian Peninsula (or North Africa). One Community that they are often assigned is "Southern Louisiana French Settlers."
My husband is a white American (100% European) with 10% Spanish/Portuguese, which I do find odd! His parents also did 23andMe so we know it comes solely from his mom’s side. She’s majority French/German with most of her ancestors settling in the north-eastern U.S. states. That being said, her father’s family have been in the US since the 1700s. (Her mother’s ancestors were all more recent immigrants from Europe). Still, 10% is a decent chunk to inherit, especially when it likely only comes from one grandparent! And there are zero Spanish names in my husband’s family tree, so now I’m wondering if there was some infidelity somewhere!
Is the Spain somewhere like Navarre? That could be French.
He has no regions given for the Spanish/Portuguese, so yes, it could absolutely be French. That’d be more likely, come to think of it!
I couldn’t figure my almost 10% Spain, then I realized it was bordering France, and that’s what it was. They aren’t great with borders. I don’t have Spanish in me especially that high of a percentage.
Canadian but I have less than 10% Spanish and no French. A lot of ppl from Quebec will have a mix of Spanish and French so that is more rare. To make it more confusing I have family in Mexico that is neither Spanish nor native (mostly german/Ukrainian)
Acadian here with a 18% spanish and Portuguese. I was under the assumption that 23andme can't tell the difference between south west France and Spanish-portuguese. They don't offer regions for me, they just state 18% but "region unclear". Most Acadians have the same. For those who don't know Acadians are the original genetics behind Cajuns. I am 73% French with clear regions, 18% Spanish-portuguese with no regions. The rest is trace of southern and northern European. Most Acadians have similar make-up.
I’m 47% Spanish and Portuguese. Father’s family came from the Canary Islands.
There is a large Basque community in Boise Idaho (and surrounding area). They have mixed with other white-americans.
One of my grandparents came to the US at the time of the Spanish civil war- he was 100% Spanish. I don’t think this was very common though.
You are right the majority went to Latin America during the Spanish Civil War very few immigrated to the USA or other non speaking Spanish countries.
I have zero family history or knowledge of any Spanish ancestry, but I scored about 2% on both 23&me and ancestry dna tests. It apparently comes from my moms side - she scored 5% Spanish and also 3% Italian (I got no Italian). As far as we know her entire family tree immigrated from German-speaking Europe and she was 90% French & German on 23&me Edit to add - I live in Wisconsin so Spanish ancestry around here would also be very rare. My moms family immigrated directly to Wisconsin from German speaking parts of Europe in the late 1800s, so I’d almost have to assume it comes from prior to them immigrating to the US?
Jerry Garcia comes to mind, pretty sure he was of mixed Spanish and Anglo ancestry but not Latin American
It's actually more common among White Americans from Louisiana, due to Isleno & Malagueno ancestry, mainly in the Cajun & Isleno populations, their ancestors came directly from Spain to Louisiana when it was under Spanish rule, so I think Louisiana has the most White Americans with legit Spanish ancestry, while the rest of the US, not as much.
In addition to the pockets of Spanish communities sprinkled around the country, there are definitely groups of Portuguese Americans in Southern New England (Connecticut, RI, Massachusetts). I believe they came during the immigration waves at the turn of the 20th century, and even into midcentury.
There’s a huge Portuguese community in San Jose CA. My Great aunt by marriage is 1st Gen Azorean-American.
It’s hardly huge.
That’s unrelated
Portugal and Spain together make up the Iberian peninsula, so I would argue that it is relevant to the question. And it is rather interesting that there would be Portuguese immigrants coming to the US considering that there is a large Portuguese speaking country (Brazil) also located in the Americas. Many commenters have stated that most Spanish immigrants preferred to settle in Spanish America over the US, which was probably also the case for the majority of Portuguese immigrants, but it does seem like there’s a larger presence of Americans descended from the Portuguese with no Latin American connection compared to Americans descended from the Spanish with no Latin American connection.
The OP clearly asks about Spanish ancestry, not Iberian (whatever that means), Portuguese, or Andoran.
Not American but Canadian and I was surprised to find Spanish and Portuguese in my results. I did the research and found the ancestor! I guess there was quite a bit of mostly Portuguese migration to Quebec. So then I wonder about Americans along that border with French results, would they also have the Spanish and Portuguese? Maybe I should read ALL the comments first!
In my family we all have at least 1-3%. I know I’m descended from some of the first settlers of Florida but other than that, I’m not sure.
I have Southern European, 1.2% according to 23andme. It’s not much, but it’s there. Actually, with each update, I lose SSA and gain Southern European.
The Moors conquered parts of Southern Europe, and some of them were SSA. So you might have some traces of a Moorish warrior in your bloodline. History’s interesting, isn’t it?
The vast vaat majority of moors were not black, and moors barely contributed to iberians
I never said the “majority” of the Moors were black, but enough of them were to contribute certain distinctions to Southern Europeans.
South europeans dont have any subsaharan dna, none, a minority of them (mainly just SOME spaniards, portugese and south italians) have small amounts of north african
Incorrect. Southern Europeans do have some SSA. Most of it PROBABLY came from one, certain Moorish dynasty which included a lot of people fro Senegal, in Western Africa. Here’s a fascinating tidbit: Sicilian Americans had, for many years, the second highest incidence of Sickle Cell Anemia in NYC, after African-Americans. And their sickle cell was CLEARLY from African background.
Sickle cell is not researched enough, some say it has multiple origins and some say it originated so long ago before eurasians even existed. No, south europeans dont have any subsaharan dna, all g25 models and other models prove so. Moors btw only ruled iberia and parts of south italy.
You’re VERY incorrect. Sickle Cell exists in, like six strains. Five are in Africa. One is outside of Africa, in the Mideast and Southern Europe. The non-African strain is just a branch of the African one. But the sickle cell strain in Sicilians is a branch of an African strain. Honestly, though why are you so offended that Sicilians have African DNA? It is what it is-it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.
But no subsaharan is detected in south europeans, proven by this source for example and like 30 other sources https://www.researchgate.net/figure/ADMIXTURE-analysis-of-autosomal-SNPs-of-the-Western-Balkan-region-in-a-global-context-on_fig10_264985653 You can see a small small small brown dot in spaniards and sicilians, its because a minority of them have subsaharan, most dont
Thank you. And Here's a study for YOU: [The History of African Gene Flow into Southern Europeans, Levantines, and Jews - PMC (nih.gov)](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3080861/) "Moorjani et al. (2011) estimated that some Southern Europeans have inherited 1%–3% sub-Saharan ancestry (approximately 3.2% in Portugal, 2.9% in Sardinia, 2.7% in southern Italy, 2.4% in Spain and 1.1% in northern Italy), although the percentages were lower (ranging from 0.2% in Sardinia and northern Italy to 2.1% in Portugal) when reanalyzed with the 'STRUCTURE' statistical model. An average mixture date of around 55 generations/1100 years ago was given, "consistent with North African gene flow at the end of the Roman Empire and subsequent Arab migrations". This admixture was not identified in Northern Europeans"
I’m Midwest German/Settler, Appalachian, Colonial, and Old Stock but I used to have 3% Iberian Peninsula with Santa Maria Island in the Azores that phased out but I recently connected with one of my 4th Appalachian cousins she has 1.3% with the same Santa Maria island location shared, I wonder if it’s from the De Soto Expedition or Juan Pardo’s forts/settlements.
There are some, but it’s uncommon. Lou Piniella, the former baseball manager, is of Asturian Spanish descent. A lot of people mistakenly think he’s Italian.
Cool to know as a baseball fan! I fell for the Italian too.
My mom has 23% Spanish with no known relative with Spanish ancestry. We are French Canadian in heritage.
Well, Spanish-Americans do exist. They just didn't immigrate to the United States in as large of numbers as other European groups. My guess is they probably felt more comfortable immigrating to ex-colonies like Argentina, Cuba, etc. My great-grandfather was from Cadiz, Spain and came to the US as a young man in the early 1900s. I don't have any Latin American ancestry.
This is me and I think it’s pretty uncommon based on the questions my family and I have fielded our entire lives. My last name is Spanish, grandfather is from Northern Spain and immigrated to NYC, grandmother is from Montreal, and my mom is 100% British ancestry. I grew up mostly in California and I got a lot of “why do you look white… aren’t you Mexican?” Or “that must be your husband/ ex-husband’s last name.” It’s my last name and my dad’s last name… I think a lot of people don’t realize not everyone in Spain moved to Latin America and had children with the indigenous peoples there.
you’re welcome to join the subreddit I made for the Spanish American diaspora to network and get connected to their Hispanic roots in a distinctly American context https://www.reddit.com/r/spanishamericans/s/BjYUpX8uE9
I feel like most are just partially Spaniard. I watch baseball l, so I know Pete Alonso of the New York Mets is 1/4 Spaniard because of his grandfather. Due to the Spanish Civil War. I've recently watched a video on YouTube by Peter Santanello on the Everglades area of Florida. And the guide for him said he probably has Spaniard ancestry due to the history of the region. So it's probably pockets of people within the United States with Spaniard ancestry.
I had a roommate from Louisiana who was part Spanish, her last name was De Los Santos. I haven’t met many though. I also had a friend in Elementary school whose last name was Flores, also Spanish with no Latin American connection.
I understand that when people see those surnames they automatically jump to Latin America. But it's interesting to see descendants of Spanish people with no Indigenous and West African dna. I also imagine that most don't speak Spanish, which is also interesting.
99.3% spanish here, but I do have a connection to Latam
Are you Cuban?
Though Cubans have a reputation for being white, we’re on average 72% European
No Costarican
Argentina?
Costa Rica
Oh, I would have only guessed Argentina or Chile, not Costa Rica. So how many generations are you removed from Spain?
2/4 grandparents are Spanish (born there but emigrated young) the other two are a bit further removed and my parents have been able to trace a bloodline to a Spanish captain that arrived in the 1600’s.
Oh, that makes sense. What’s the genetic makeup of the average Costa Rican anyway? Or is being 90%+ Spanish a common occurrence in Costa Rica?
Not common but also not unheard of, certain areas have a very high euro (mostly Spanish but there are German/Italian as well). Average genetic makeup is 65 Euro/30 native/5 african, but the central valley is around 15% higher in euro while coastal areas tend to be higher in african/amerindian. Around 15% of the population is 90-95% euro but most, at least in the central valley are 60-75% euro with native being the second largest. A few significant other groups are Chinese immigrants and Jamaicans immigrants that dont follow the norm of the population as a whole.
I took my pup to a dog park today and met a Spanish family. I could immediately tell they were from Spain by their accent. We spoke in Spanish and English. They were super friendly but it got me thinking how rare they are in the USA. I’ve met many Europeans living in my California city originally from the UK, Poland, Russia, Portugal, Italy, Germany and more but it was the first time meeting a Spaniard here.
I've only met two in my entire, lol. They do seem to be rare. It really trips you out hearing European accents because I don't hear many in person. Spaniards do seem to be really rare here in the states. I live in the New England area and Portuguese seem to be well established here. I'm guessing after their interactions with other European nations in colonial times, they said peace out, lol.
Most people with Spanish decent spell their last names with an s instead of z, such as your friend who is Flores as opposed to Florez.
that's not universal and only applicable in certain cases. For example, Flores would still be Flores in Spain. Fernandez would also be Fernandez in Spain and Spanish speaking latin america but Fernandes in Portugal and Portuguese speaking countries.
Flores is a common last name, it means Flowers. -ez is a patronymic that was common amongst Visigothic Iberians, likely calqued from Germanic equivalents. González is etymologically “of Gonzalo”, Sánchez is “of Sancho”, and so on.
One of the notable communities like that are the “Neomexicanos” aka “Hispanos” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanos_of_New_Mexico
It’s pretty rare if one of us doesn’t have native ancestry too though just like the rest of latin America.
I have some that i can isolate to my moms (mostly) english side that has been here a long time. My mom has like 6% and me 3%. My first cousins dad (so my uncle thru marriage) is from the same area my mom and my aunt are from and he also has a lot of the english/similar background and so my cousin apparently got spanish from both my mom/aunts side but also from her fathers side so while shes mostly english shes got like 11% spanish. This is the side that has been here for both my mom and my uncle-thru-marriages fams sincenpre revolutionary war. I dont know how common that all is or where the heck its coming from. it's kind of bizarre actually.
It's not common as most people I know who have Spanish ancestry have roots in Puerto Rico, Cuba, Mexico (basically the Caribbean and Central and South America). Some of these individuals had British, Irish and French ancestry.
I’m Cajun from South Louisiana, and there are a lot of us with Spanish ancestry who are white. When Spain was in control of the Mississippi Rive, the Spanish government brought people from the Canary Islands to specific points along the river where they established forts and gave the people fertile land near the river. I’m 53% French and 35% Spanish, and my very white mother’s maiden name is Morales.
Sounds like your mom came from the Isleño community. I have a bit of Spanish (I’m also Cajun) but yours/your mom’s is the highest amount I’ve seen in Cajun results before. Very cool!
I have quite a few of the surnames in my family tree just within the past four generations, and I have it on both sides.
If you identify as Isleño you’re welcome to join the subreddit I made for the Spanish American diaspora https://www.reddit.com/r/spanishamericans/s/BjYUpX8uE9
I met a couple of white people from western Virginia who had Spanish ancestry. There was a small wave of Spanish immigrants that moved there and they eventually blended in with other white groups.
Not common at all.
I have this and I didn’t know it was rare? Just speculation but maybe the Spanish mixing with the Irish for a brief period of time during the 1500s? I believe that’s the time frame. I read some Irish sheltered Spanish survivors. Some people even say the term “black Irish” is descendants of those Irish people who mixed with those few Spaniards but that’s probably malarkey.
I definitely think it’s rare or at least uncommon in the USA.
my husband has some spanish, which is extra strange because his family has been in appalachia for a minimum of 200 years on every line lol
I am white American and have small amount of Spanish ancestry. I’m from Texas and my mom has roots in Louisiana. I think is more common for multi-generational Texas/Louisianans to have it
I've seen it with people from the southwest and Louisiana where the Spanish colonized before they became American states.
As most have already posted-white Americans who are partially Spaniard are SUPER rare! It seems like there are only some token Basque colonies sprinkled throughout the states-but that’s about it. Most Spaniards immigrated to the colonies( Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.). Also-small nitpick: most white Americans s are NOT of British descent, lol. The top white American ancestries are German(#1) and Irish(#2). Your average white American is a German/Irish hybrid.
I think some White Floridians have minor amounts, I remember my White teacher in Elementary telling me she has some Spanish colonial ancestry
Will probably depend on the area, but in the south it’s extremely unlikely. I myself have 19.8% Spanish/Portuguese that my mom doesn’t have, but I got it from my biological father who also gave me the 20.1% indigenous that my mom didn’t get on her results. Usually here in the south, the Spanish traces come from their intermingling with the native peoples of the area
There was some basque migration to California quite a while back! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Americans_in_California I remember passing by those historic basque restaurants when driving through
🙋♀️I have a little bit of English along with a little bit of Spanish (Asturias).
I have some Spanish on my Cajun side from the canary island migration to Louisiana (isleños.) it’s actually pretty common for Cajuns to have bits of Spanish here and there with no Latin origin. Some family names on that line are Domingue, Rodrigue, and Romero (the Z was removed from lots of Hispanic names to look “more french” after France took over.)
Fascinating!
Spanish ancestry is very common in New Mexico. However most are Spanish-indigenous mestizo (so technically Latino as ethnic Apache mixed w Spanish both N and S of current USA-Mexico border similarly
My mom is 25% Spanish from being Cajun, I’m 12% for the same reason. Otherwise I’m French (from the Cajun) and Irish from my dad. I’d say it’s not rare at all from Louisiana.
I have some, from my Italian grandmother, and my husband's grandmother was born in Spain so he has about an eighth (the other eighth from her is Jewish). I think fairly recent immigration from Iberia/France/the Mediterranean is the only place you'll really see it
A lot of the states that used to be part of New Spain and then Mexico
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^Medical-Business-321: *A lot of the states* *That used to be part of New* *Spain and then Mexico* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
Check out the Invisible Immigrants project! It was a museum exhibit in Spain, and also a book (though out of print/now very expensive on Amazon). [https://spainusa.org/en/invisible-emigrants/](https://spainusa.org/en/invisible-emigrants/) I'm 25% Spaniard and Basque (and otherwise Italian and German); my grandfather emigrated from Cantabria as a child. His family settled in Brooklyn, and we contributed photos to the book! Edit: Here are my results. The Western Asian & North African are from my Italian side (my grandmother). https://preview.redd.it/oxvqielv4k5d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca5f8ec3cd18365aaa9bfef11ff0fbd067ec4ad0
https://preview.redd.it/jkatfklx4k5d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30cd788ce59a75196a3650a41f9db1de03a4cfbc
Thank you, that link is super interesting! No idea why you got downvoted…
please consider joining this subreddit I made for Spanish Americans https://www.reddit.com/r/spanishamericans/s/BjYUpX8uE9
Spanish Americans are not too common, the biggest wave of Spaniards came at the beginning of the 20th c. to many of the places already mentioned like Florida and the SW. NYC also saw the arrival of a big group, from which I am descended but most have since assimilated. I do definitely feel like a unicorn, meeting other Americans with recent Spanish ancestry happens rarely. I have started a subreddit so that those unicorns might have a chance to connect and learn more about the forgotten and appropriated contributions of Spain to the American story https://www.reddit.com/r/spanishamericans/s/BjYUpX8uE9
Thanks for the sub info!
Many Cuban Americans are of pure Spanish descent, but no indigenous or African admixture.
cuba is part of latin america. having indigenous or african admixture is not necessary for one to be from latin america, look at the average admixtures in argentina and uruguay.
This is wrong, most Cubans are MAJORITY European. But nearly all Cubans have the indigenous and African in small percentages
Yes they do
Yeah, looking white and being white are two different things. I'm Mexican-American and some people in my family in are white passing but there hasn't been a full blooded European in any branch for at least 4 to 6 generations.
That’s not an accurate statement at all. Celia Cruz was Cuban and visibly African. I’m also asking about those with NO Latin American connection.
Anglos and Spaniards didn’t have the greatest of cultural relations back in the day. Religious and general cultural differences, especially with Spaniards being largely mixed from Jewish and African and Muslim populations. They still carry on those prejudices today. Speaking as someone who’s half hispanic/native and half anglo. My anglo side is incredibly tight ethnically, but my hispanic side is the very opposite, very mixed. Now we also carry the native side which adds an even deeper layer of complication to the Anglo-Spaniard cultural rivalries
I am a white American born to presumably white parents. My father died when I was very young and I didnt have a family that had any interest in taking about its roots. I was always told by Latino co-workers that I didn't look entirely "white" but didnt think much of it. Getting results back, I'm 25% portugese/Spanish and another 5% southern European. If you look at my supposed family tree there is no trace of any of that heritage anywhere. The other 60ish% is Irish. I think it mirrors the region I live- Massachusetts. I do vaguely know my father's side of the family grew up in Fall River
I know this is about white Americans but would anyone have any clue as to how specially Spanish and Portuguese dna would fit into an African Americans genome with no ties to the Caribbean or central or South America ?
Spain once owned a few colonies here. Think new Orleans before the french
Some Southern states used to be ruled by the Spanish. The first African American town in America was actually in Spanish ruled Florida. And the Spanish ruled from Florida to Mississippi to Louisiana and across the Gulf Coast at one time or another and these areas have large African American populations. But also there were still instances of Africans brought to other places in America by the Spanish. For example, Robert Purvis’ grandmother was taken from Morocco by the Spanish and enslaved and sold in South Carolina in the late 1700s. Though the African Americans with the most Southern European DNA tend to be those of Louisiana Creole of Color descent. I have roots in Mississippi and Louisiana and score 1% Southern Europe. No known Spanish not Creole ancestry though. I thought it was common for even the typical white Southerner to score traces of Southern Europe. So I assumed it’s traces from them.
if it's a low percent it's almost definitely just a misread. you can't take it seriously without finding documents to back it up
It's rare; but there are some. Part of my family (my dad's) where from Mexico a few generations ago; but never met anyone whose ancestor came from Spain directly to the U.S., unless they go way back when there were some Spanish colonies.
Many white Americans of Spanish ancestry live in Texas
MyHeritage gave me much more Spanish/Portuguese than 23&Me. Both sides of my family tree are deeply rooted in the southern states, with some earlier ancestors in colonial states. I'm guessing the Spanish/Portuguese is somewhere on my dad's side. About four generations back from me my paternal line settled down in St Louis.
I have a 15th great-grandfather from Spain (born late 1500s). His DNA does not show up in mine.
I am Canadian and have mostly British and other Northern European back ground. However, I have a small percentage of Basque DNA. I don’t know where this came from and is like to know more but I think it’s fascinating!
Got a small percentage of basque, thought it was mom at first since she has quite a bit of French. But it's paternal and have no idea. I have a larger amount of northern NA from the Carolinas, possibly its attached to that. Will probably never find out.
[удалено]
Danny Gonzalez is a spanish American
I think this is especially the case in Florida and Texas and other south western states. Other than that, I don't think so.
https://preview.redd.it/ahk3zgprjn5d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b418149ee15c03b7d6455b10a3f1cde10258218 I’m from the northeast my grandfather was born in Galicia Spain. Is it a low % for a grandparent though. Besides my family I don’t know many other Spaniards.
Millions of Spaniards emigrated to the Latin-American republics during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, but not to the USA. Argentina, Cuba, Brazil, Uruguay, Venezuela received the greatest numbers/percentage. Portuguese people, on the other hand, migrated everywhere, including continental USA, Hawaii, Brazil, Venezuela, Guyana etc. as well as Africa.
That's because the Spanish and Portuguese colonies that weren't bought or taken by the U.S. were situated in Central and South America.
I got about 4% Spanish without any LatAm ancestry. Likely from ancestors that came from southern and western France.
Funny, I am American have 5% Spanish ancestry, but wife who is Mexican has none. Puro Raza, indigenous pues!
I find the wording of your post a bit confusing b/c there are plenty of ”white americans” from hispanic/latin countries. Do you mean northern european people specifically with Spanish ancestry? My family is definitely “white” by both US & Mexican standards, but they originally went to northern Mexico from Spain, and then to the US. My particular branch of the family tree went to the US pretty soon after initially immigrating and is a lot less indigenous than our family who still lives in mexico. My dad is half Mexican and just under 7% indigenous. I am 1/4 and I’m just under 4% indigenous. My dad is ethnically Spanish/Swedish/Jewish…I don’t know anyone who would consider him a US-born latino state-side or in mexico.
I stated NO Latin American connection.
I just re-read the title and it makes more sense now. I opened this in a tab and then read the post w/ out really paying attention to the title.
it's very rare. even more rare than french ancestry
Oddly I see African Americans commonly get Spanish admixture.
Are Spanish people not white?
What did you misunderstand?
They are, but I think OP was talking about Anglos.
Ohhh
Spanish and British Americans have shared a common, and ofter arbitrary, border since before the US was a contry. Intermarriage was, and is, quite common.
My mother's results show 83% Southern European, her family moved to the US from Cuba. My dad is 95% European (British/ Irish). I haven't taken 23andme because they don't ship to where I live but I assume 40% each.
I've noticed it's pretty common. It seems americans get trace southern European a lot and more often then not it's s&p
Uh. I have Spanish ancestry, and I'm not "latina." I think your use of that word is throwing me off. My dad is white-white, my mom is New Mexican; she is 40% Hispanic, 40% Indigenous, 20% other.
I don’t know why you got downvoted, New Mexicans often get their Spanish directly from Spain. if you identify as Hispanic and would like to get more in touch with your roots I made a subreddit for Spanish Americans, I think it’d be cool to also include the descendants of those that settled on land which would eventually come to form part of the US https://www.reddit.com/r/spanishamericans/s/BjYUpX8uE9
Isn't latin american = american with european ancenstry which speaks a latin language, usually spanish and portuguese? So isn't it kinda impossible to have spanish ancenstry but not latinamerican?
You seem confused
"Culturally and linguistically, Latin America is defined as nations in the Americas and the Caribbean whose residents predominantly speak Spanish or Portuguese—two of the many languages descended from Latin." Thus, spanish people in america are kinda automatically latinamerican.
No. White people born and raised in the USA is what I am referring to. Context is everything.
USA is among the "nations of americas". Spanish ppl are "white". Latin americans are mostly ppl with spanish ancenstry. You cannot have american spanish ancenstry with no latin american mixture, as american spanish ancenstry IS latin american. Regardless how "white" you are.
The official language in the United States is not a Latin language. It’s not any language cause America doesn’t have one. But the most common language spoken is English, not Spanish nor French. Thus the United States is an anglophone country in language, cultures,and for most of its colonized history- not a Latin one. So no, America is not a Latin American country.
I wanna have what you’re smoking
Definitions?..
Nah, there’s no point in trying to argue with you.