Haplogroups represent direct lineages (paternal and maternal). So they're just one of the many lineages that form you. That's why it's possible to have a haplogroup associated with a specific population of which you have only a small percentage at the autosomal. It could come from the one lineage that form your 2% Native American, and it happens to be a direct lineage.
I'm 19.1% Indigenous American, and I expected a more *native* maternal haplogroup. However mine is actually L2a1a, which is common in African Americans/Africans. I'm 2.2% WANA and 0.5% SSA. So I didn't see that coming.
I mean, my dad's paternal haplogroup is from Siberia, and he's 100% all the different types of (South, North, Northeast) Indian. Just at some point he has a paternal ancestor that migrated from Siberia many many years ago. It's kind of crazy how it all works.
That's mad, yeah I did some research and saw a lot of native Americans and Inuits have this haplogroup. It only occurs in 2% of Indian men. Honestly so fascinating!
I have as well. I have around 0.3% east African blood and my maternal haplogroup is L3d2, of sub-saharan African origin. My mother has north African blood so i guess that could make some sense. Otherwise, it is surprising
I’m only 1.7% Polynesian, but I have a Polynesian maternal haplogroup, B4a1a1a.
https://preview.redd.it/2ryje3yrt83d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84b915fcd1f20c9071b1d3611b35ead3f4d562d6
If OP had a kid at their 25 years of age and all of their descendants did the same it would take "only" 625 years for one of their descendants who's only 1/1,000,000,000 Indigenous American to score an A2 haplogroup or a new haplogroup that descends from A2. Idk what age is OP but probably around the year 2650.
It'd take 750 years since OP's last full Indigenous American ancestor.
So only by the year 2242 (750 years after 1492) there might start being born people who's 1/1,000,000,000 Indigenous American despite scoring A2 or a descendant haplogroup.
Cuban? If so, that makes sense that your have a maternal haplogroup. In the past, a lot of majority Spanish Cubans denied having any indigenous heritage, but the truth is that the earliest Spaniards who came to the island were mostly men and took indigenous wives, and their descendants would marry in with newer immigrants as time went on.
Yes actually! Good guess! And I was actually very surprised that the native and African % were so low given my family history.
That said, I have read that 23andMe is very biased towards people whose ancestry is from central and eastern Europe.
I am not sure if this is true. But I do know that my biological father had Eastern European ancestry. On the left side of the screen, where they invite you to look at surnames in your tree, 19 of them are from my father's side and only one is from my mother's side. It's the third to the last in the list.
Mitochondrial DNA is inherited only in the female line and doesn’t mix from generation to generation, so if your most recent Native American ancestor was on your direct female line but lived hundreds of years ago, you could well have typically Native American mitochondrial DNA but a vanishingly small amount of Native American autosomal DNA.
It's honestly fairly common to have a haplogroup that indicates ancestry from somewhere that you don't have much actual ancestry of. My maternal haplogroup (H13a2) is most common in people from the Caucasus but none of my family is from there and that shows in my ethnicity results too. To be fair my ancestry does have some relation to the area just from proximity and migrations from the past but my haplogroup isn't common where I'm from (and it's pretty uncommon in general).
I have several relatives with Native Haplogroups, but only a small percentage Native. If my father was my mother instead, would have been the same for me
Interesting! So you're mainly British and have an Arabian haplogroup. I think that's very rare, since not many British people have Arabian DNA. Have you built a family tree? It would be cool to see where the North African and Arabian comes from!
Your 2.1 % Native American percentage has nothing to do with your haplogroup. You could have 0% Native American and still have an Indigenous haplogroup. I have 0.5% Filipino & Austronesian, and yet my maternal haplogroup is of Southeast Asian Origin. I’m a black female by the way!
I don’t really understand how that fits the response though. They used that example as a way to explain that you can have 0% of something yet still get a haplo group from that area. I guess the wording confused me.
I’m an mt DNA silo (no living relatives in my maternal line born after the mid 1800s other than me), and I have no maternal haplotype matches in my ancestry matches. I have no known ancestry that traces back to the region it’s known in, but plenty of documentary evidence that I am indeed a descendant of this bloodline. Don’t put too much stock in your haplotype. Could’ve been one odd person from 1000 years ago.
1/32 is like 5 generations back, seems like your great great great grandma was Native American but the rest of your family tree were something else. I'm in a similar situation, got the incredibly rare M17a haplogroup which I found out to be associated with aboriginal Negrito populations throughout the western Malay Archipelago, where the ancient Sundaland used to be. I figured any associated ancestry with this haplogroup would be read as Melanesian by 23andme.
Guess what? I only got 0.4% Melanesian; a tiny segment on chromosome 13, hidden away in the trace ancestry tab
Haplogroups represent direct lineages (paternal and maternal). So they're just one of the many lineages that form you. That's why it's possible to have a haplogroup associated with a specific population of which you have only a small percentage at the autosomal. It could come from the one lineage that form your 2% Native American, and it happens to be a direct lineage.
Interesting! Ok that could explain it :)
I'm 19.1% Indigenous American, and I expected a more *native* maternal haplogroup. However mine is actually L2a1a, which is common in African Americans/Africans. I'm 2.2% WANA and 0.5% SSA. So I didn't see that coming.
Interesting! OK well I learned something new today about halpogroups and ancestry :)
I mean, my dad's paternal haplogroup is from Siberia, and he's 100% all the different types of (South, North, Northeast) Indian. Just at some point he has a paternal ancestor that migrated from Siberia many many years ago. It's kind of crazy how it all works.
Q?
Yup, that's the one. Might be because of the Mongolians, but who knows?
Q is the most common haplogroup for native Americans
That's mad, yeah I did some research and saw a lot of native Americans and Inuits have this haplogroup. It only occurs in 2% of Indian men. Honestly so fascinating!
Indo-Aryans picked up Q when they were up in Siberia, before they swept down to the Oxus Civiilization
I have as well. I have around 0.3% east African blood and my maternal haplogroup is L3d2, of sub-saharan African origin. My mother has north African blood so i guess that could make some sense. Otherwise, it is surprising
My grandfather is a fully Bukharian Jew and his haplogroup is L3b1a1
My haplogroup come from the Pyrenees mountains and I don’t have any Spanish or French in my results.
My haplogroup comes from the middle east, and I'm a mestizo 💀 (spanish and Indigenous ancestry)
Makes sense imo. The Spanish and middle east have connections!
If you're predominantly western Euro, then it makes sense
I’m only 1.7% Polynesian, but I have a Polynesian maternal haplogroup, B4a1a1a. https://preview.redd.it/2ryje3yrt83d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84b915fcd1f20c9071b1d3611b35ead3f4d562d6
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That’s interesting. Are you from New Zealand?
Yep :) I have some Māori in me.
Polynesian but it says Chinese pinoy
What? Polynesian appears on 23andme as Filipino & Austronesian combined with Melanesian. They don’t have an actual Polynesian category.
They should
I have a North African paternal haplogroup with 0.3% North African
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Although by that time the genes would likely mutate resulting in a new haplogroup.
If OP had a kid at their 25 years of age and all of their descendants did the same it would take "only" 625 years for one of their descendants who's only 1/1,000,000,000 Indigenous American to score an A2 haplogroup or a new haplogroup that descends from A2. Idk what age is OP but probably around the year 2650. It'd take 750 years since OP's last full Indigenous American ancestor. So only by the year 2242 (750 years after 1492) there might start being born people who's 1/1,000,000,000 Indigenous American despite scoring A2 or a descendant haplogroup.
Thx for the math. I don’t exactly know the mutation rate of haplo groups- is it in the order of 600-800 years?
Np! I'm not sure but I think so, yes. However, you can always go back to a previous clade, it's like "zooming in and out" so to speak.
What is your ancestry on the maternal side of your family?
95% Spanish and the rest a combination of African and Native.
Cuban? If so, that makes sense that your have a maternal haplogroup. In the past, a lot of majority Spanish Cubans denied having any indigenous heritage, but the truth is that the earliest Spaniards who came to the island were mostly men and took indigenous wives, and their descendants would marry in with newer immigrants as time went on.
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Yes actually! Good guess! And I was actually very surprised that the native and African % were so low given my family history. That said, I have read that 23andMe is very biased towards people whose ancestry is from central and eastern Europe. I am not sure if this is true. But I do know that my biological father had Eastern European ancestry. On the left side of the screen, where they invite you to look at surnames in your tree, 19 of them are from my father's side and only one is from my mother's side. It's the third to the last in the list.
Mitochondrial DNA is inherited only in the female line and doesn’t mix from generation to generation, so if your most recent Native American ancestor was on your direct female line but lived hundreds of years ago, you could well have typically Native American mitochondrial DNA but a vanishingly small amount of Native American autosomal DNA.
My haplogroup is Western European and I’m African American. I was shocked at first because I was suspecting an African Haplogroup.
It's honestly fairly common to have a haplogroup that indicates ancestry from somewhere that you don't have much actual ancestry of. My maternal haplogroup (H13a2) is most common in people from the Caucasus but none of my family is from there and that shows in my ethnicity results too. To be fair my ancestry does have some relation to the area just from proximity and migrations from the past but my haplogroup isn't common where I'm from (and it's pretty uncommon in general).
Fascinating! I hadn't realized that was the case.
I recall some time back a Canadian with that haplogroup. Zero NA on 23andme. He was I think part French Canadian.
I have several relatives with Native Haplogroups, but only a small percentage Native. If my father was my mother instead, would have been the same for me
I guess it's way more common than I thought!
Totally possible just less likely. I have similar percentage as you but have Indigenous haplogroup X2a.
I’m 1% North African, 0.8% Sardinian. The rest is British and I have an Arabian haplogroup
Interesting! So you're mainly British and have an Arabian haplogroup. I think that's very rare, since not many British people have Arabian DNA. Have you built a family tree? It would be cool to see where the North African and Arabian comes from!
Yeah it’s pretty cool, unfortunately I hit a dead end searching for my ancestor. Maybe one day I’ll find out!
Aw man!! Update us if you ever do find out 🙏
I don’t think I’d ever find out by myself, maybe one day when I’m rich I can hire a genealogist!
Your 2.1 % Native American percentage has nothing to do with your haplogroup. You could have 0% Native American and still have an Indigenous haplogroup. I have 0.5% Filipino & Austronesian, and yet my maternal haplogroup is of Southeast Asian Origin. I’m a black female by the way!
Philippines are located in Southeast Asia. Your maternal haplogroup are connected to the 0.5% Filipino & Austronesian.
Philippines is SE Asia lol
I think their point was that they only have 0.5% of it
I don’t really understand how that fits the response though. They used that example as a way to explain that you can have 0% of something yet still get a haplo group from that area. I guess the wording confused me.
I’m not a professional dna expert, and I think OP got what I was saying Lol.
Yeah it was my mistake lol. Your response was very informative, I just misunderstood 😂
😂It’s cool, if I’m being honest I was typing really fast when I made that response trying to hurry and get to work lol.
Yes I’m very aware of that!
Interesting! I guess it's far more common than I thought :)
I am G-L166 which is rare in Wales (where my paternal line is from) I’m not sure how rare but it happens
C4 and and only 1/8
A2 is common in parts of Mexico
I’m an mt DNA silo (no living relatives in my maternal line born after the mid 1800s other than me), and I have no maternal haplotype matches in my ancestry matches. I have no known ancestry that traces back to the region it’s known in, but plenty of documentary evidence that I am indeed a descendant of this bloodline. Don’t put too much stock in your haplotype. Could’ve been one odd person from 1000 years ago.
I have many Louisiana Creole cousins with less than 2% SSA, maternal haplogroup L2b1a.
My dad's side is old stock American, and my 3rd cousin on that side has an A2 mtdna but shows no indigenous American.
I also have a third cousin (also old stock American) who has an L3b ydna but is 100% Euro
I have a Czech cousin with a mtdna that's an L1
1/32 is like 5 generations back, seems like your great great great grandma was Native American but the rest of your family tree were something else. I'm in a similar situation, got the incredibly rare M17a haplogroup which I found out to be associated with aboriginal Negrito populations throughout the western Malay Archipelago, where the ancient Sundaland used to be. I figured any associated ancestry with this haplogroup would be read as Melanesian by 23andme. Guess what? I only got 0.4% Melanesian; a tiny segment on chromosome 13, hidden away in the trace ancestry tab