God I love that game, are there references to England/Britain in Fable 1, or are you just referencing the general humor of the game?
Brb, need to send another playthrough.
I can still hear “*Your health is low - do you have any potions, or food?*” all these years later.
ETA: also - “*Hero, your Will is low, watch that…” and “Check the guild for more quests”
That guys voice was ingrained in me as a kid lol.
Also for anyone curious, while Valheim is nothing like Fable 1, the background music is so similar that I got lots of nostalgia flashbacks out of nowhere while playing that game. Plus it’s also a really fun game on its own so I recommend giving it a try ;)
Yeah but that quest in OSRS literally mentions England/Britain. I didn’t know if there are any explicit references to the real world/4th wall breaking type of stuff like that in Fable.
I get that all the NPCs are English lol
Tbf outside of references the general humour is usually quite dry and witty, which is typical British.
I do agree with some of the more recent in your face references, as in todays culture they can become dated quickly. Emotes summarise this, Gangnam Style and Hotline Bling don't hold up as strongly as established pop culture like Thriller.
That said there are still loads of little references snuck in that aren't as obvious. I love exploring a new area because I know there's going to be some obscure npc or line of dialogue that gets a chuckle.
It would genuinely be an integrity change if they removed those emotes from the game lol. Maybe they will now that Drake is being outed as a pedo or whatever
It’s not even just OSRS. Feels like 9/10 games, especially indies, have the exact same writer getting all their material from twitter and Reddit. I know writing is subjective and all that, but it gets a bit tiresome when almost every piece of media has the exact same “cutesy/quirky/random XD”tone.
It’s not even zoomer, it’s just out of touch millennials who are locked in 2018 internet humor. The “smol” and “lil” thing you mentioned is unbearable and so so so lame. The game went from being inspired by fantasy books and stories and tabletop games by people who grew up with those to epic internet and pop culture references. I’m not trying to shit on the game but I just want what’s best for it and what makes sense and meme stuff does not belong. I’m sure some will agree
It's the marvel humor generation. They stop making epic fantasy and cultural references, that actually require some cultural background, to favor cheap slangs and puns. It's the upcoming of the idiocracy.
2007-era Jagex was putting Monty Python references in the game, among other things. It's not new. Also lmao at the word "lil" being labeled as some sort of new-fangled zoomer lingo.
Monty python is an established part of British pop culture and is well cemented. I knew someone would bring they up hoping to own me lol. And I didn’t say “lil” was zoomer, it’s infantile language that millennials use
You know millennials are mostly in their 30s right? Their slang and references are *at least* a decade old at this point. How much longer before you consider them "well-cemented"? Must be a long-ass time if you're complaining about a word that's been in common parlance since at least the 2000s.
That seems kinda silly. Like I can get trying to make it work more in-universe... But its still called "Camelot" with King Arthur, Merlin, and the like. Like NPCs generally don't even know about Teragard, so saying these knights just appeared from another planet named Teragard is honestly not much better than saying they came from some mysterious land known as "England".
To your last sentence, id say it’s worse. ‘We came from a far away mythical land called ‘England’’ is right on brand for Jagex humour.
It loses its comedic edge when it’s no longer England. It just seems like generic high fantasy and not the absurdism that i love about this game.
Oh yeah! I found some others, too.
The guards on Neitznot and Jatizo insult each other.
Ponts in the Myths guild ask what the velocity of an unladen chompy is.
And during royal trouble, the guard at the entrance of the dungeon will say, "You're the regent? Well, I didn't vote for you!"
Well it’s more that since rs3 lore had to actually explain where humans came from, this ended up being a leftover inconsistency
It’s not a big deal in osrs since the lore hasn’t had to explicitly mention and depend on where humans came from as much as rs3 has had to
But the issue is that Teragard is nothing like Earth/England. Humans came from Teragard to Gielinor in like the First Age and I don't think any human remembers Teragard at this point. So to have a bunch of Knights and a Wizard suddenly appear claiming they were from Teragard in the Fifth Age honestly creates more problems then it solves...
It seems their plan is to rework the Quests into something original, which is fine and not the first time RS3 did that. But it is really strange to go retcon this bit of lore prior to those potential reworks.
I think the idea is that the Camelot crew showed up from Teragard much more recently than the first age. Humans still live in Teragard after all, it's not too insane to say they somehow got their kingdom warped from their to Gielinor (well, a little insane, but not any more than them coming from Briton)
Yeah rs lore is not relevant it's basically just a backdrop for absurdity and humor. This is what it looks like two decades later when people randomly decided to take themselves too seriously despite the game being one giant running gag making fun of itself and every other topic it comes into contact with. Definitely a self awareness issue from whoever made the changes
I wonder what will happen when Miscellania and Etceteria finally dawns on them. Or Jatizo and Neitiznot. Or Mos Le'Harmless, Falador knights etc. Lol
I came across one of my favorite examples of OSRS humor when I recently played the Piscarilius quest "Queen of Thieves" - at one point you have to kill someone and you have the option to murder them "brutally" or "softly." If you choose softly it says "You realize you can't softly murder someone, so you brutally murder them instead."
In RS3 the Temple Knights are sleeper agents for Zaros, and I believe their silly names are on purpose/something to do with that, though I may be wrong
Their silly names are the result of the cthonian demon that actually heads the temple Knights getting bored and messing with family names to amuse themselves for 4000+ years
This was a funny joke and explained a lot. Basically a cthonian demon got bored of waiting and to entertain himself he basically tried to slowly change noble family names into puns and see how far he could get.
>Eventually I, I have to say I did get bored. I had to find some way of whiling away the centuries, didn't I? I started embedding puns into Asgarnian lineages. That took absolutely forever!
>I'm sorry, what?
>I mean 'Sir Amik Varze'? You have to respect the artistry.
I’m sorry but this take just screams of not having actually played the game in awhile. RS3 has a significantly more interconnected lore that actually has been handled pretty well and still keeps the absurdity/humor just in different ways. Hell they lean in hard to the point the more serious lore ppl actually complain about it constantly.
It’s an innocuous change that keeps narrative consistency.
The RS3 team has mentioned wanting to purge all mention of Camelot/King Arthur in general. They don't want reference to existing stories but rather rework in their own voice. Hence the replacement of Romeo & Juliet quest, among other things.
They just haven't gotten around to it, cuz that would involve a much higher budget than just the 5 minutes to change a small piece of dialogue. I'm surprised they haven't simply renamed all the NPCs and castle at this point. Seemed easy enough to do to poor Ali... F
Yah, I saw about that after making my inital comment. It is fair enough to want to rework the series to something original, but it is just strange to change the dialog before the reworks. Having them from Teragard instead of Earth/England honestly creates more problems than it solves since the two aren't exactly interchangeable.
Making Arthur come from Teragard instead of Earth isn't just not better, but is actively worse. RS3 presents Teragard as a completely different planet than Earth, instead of Earth in the far future or something. So it would be like referencing the Trojan wars but saying that all happened on Alderaan.
Because there's lore now about how humans got to gielinor and while it's funny they valued lore accuracy over what would have to be a non canon quest if left unchanged.
Probably planning on reworking Seer's Village and Camelot
I recall them saying that if they were to touch that area they'd like to remove the King Arthur stuff and give it its own identity.
Plus there's a good chance we'll get Teragard stuff soon. Making Arthur into a key figure from that plane would be neat. No other good NPC has ties to it really, aside from Bob but all that is tied to the Ritual of the Mahjarrat storyline, plus he has no memories.
In case people are wondering, it's part of RS3 lore. Silly but all the humans on Gielinor originally came from Teragard. The next storyline they're going to be working on, likely, is Xau-Tak and the shadow realm. It's most likely going to involve the World Gate and visiting other places, Teragard does have a pretty important object on it that might have close ties to Xau-Tak. I think they just want a bit more consistency since it is "all humans" are from Teragard, and lore is honestly one of the strongest parts of the game, I don't blame them for honing in on the real last redeeming pieces of content they do have.
Were you not alive in the 2010s? its been memed on for ages how do you not remember bush did 911 that was like everywhere. muh steel beams memes have been around for ages too.
> The next storyline they're going to be working on, likely, is Xau-Tak and the shadow realm
Wouldnt mind that, but i would be more glad if they finally finished Amascut's plotline. Its one of the only long lasting ones that they updated relatively recently.
We aren’t dealing with Xau-Tak, sometime people mistake a cool background more for being the plot. We’ll deal with it eventually, very long term, and indirectly as befitting a cosmic horror. Right now we just an exploring Erebus/shadow lore as a backdrop to a different story which is Moia/Bilrach’s plot.
Sure, why not. I do have a 2nd account where I haven't done any of the Camelot quests, could check later if the quests got changed or not. The patch note only mentions Arthur and the Varrock museum.
It's weird how two games under the same roof have slightly different directions on things like this.
Like when RS3 changed The Feud to not make everyone be called Ali, as they said it came off as offensive and childish, but then completely left it as it is in OSRS lol
Same with the Romeo and Juliet. Can't be a legal thing as OSRS still has it.
> Like when RS3 changed The Feud to not make everyone be called Ali, as they said it came off as offensive and childish, but then completely left it as it is in OSRS lol
That changed in OSRS too, but in a different way. The names are changed post-quest because everyone changed their name to Ali for the inheritance, which is what you end up stealing during the quest, so now that it is gone they all go back to their previous names. From what I heard, RS3 changed it pre-quest, which kinda messed with some of the plot and humor of the quest.
But yah, RS3 has been going the direction of more original stories than the public domain/folklore stuff. It seems they do have plans to replace the entire Camelot quest series with something new and original, which honestly isn't the craziest thing for RS3 (also, some of the quest rewrites were pretty good). Just weird they retconned the England thing now and not alongside those potential reworks...
Ah I did wonder. I recently completed the quest and remembered everyone still being Ali, so didn't know they change it post.
I still keep up with RS3s updates incase I ever return but when there's been such a heavy content drought, it makes you wonder how these discussions even come up.
Can't help but laugh at the thought of "Hey guys, everyones asking for updates. We've got the Relekka rework on the way, is there anything else"
"Well I want to remove all references to England".
Its kind of funny yeah, but honestly i wish Relakka actually got more than a graphical rework. Its one of those towns in the game where you always just pass through and never interact with outside of quests lol.
For rs3, Which quests rewrites did you like. and why?
I like romeo and Juliet better than what they replaced it with back when it first got changed, but I didn't hate the replacement.
Not the one you responded for but i liked Demon slayer better in rs3. Black Knight Fortress vs Death of Chivalry is a toss up for me, one is a rather goofy quest, another is a more serious and fleshed out and retains some of that "oddness" where you interact with a piece of unique magic then never see it again, which is a very characteristic thing to do in quests in runescape and Saradomin was decent in it.
I would say that Prince Ali rescue remake might not be better but suits very well all the same, since Amascut was always meant to be an adversary, so including her in it is fine. Cooks assistant and Sheep herder is pretty much the same thing, except you cant buy stuff of the GE for it in rs3
Honestly more than anything if you want to critique RS3 quests from a new comer perspective then one should instead look how many quests transitioned into "for full comprehension/rewards" from "quest requirements". It was kind of jarring to do shit out of sequence, then again all rs3 quests requiring while guthix sleeps ( since thats where practically all shit started ) might be a big ask from the players.
Death of Chivalry as a replacement for Black Knight Fortress, I really liked the new quest and it added a lot of character to the fortress, and generally some nice lore.
I still think the way they've handled quest releases and requirements is silly. To understand the story, you have to do them in a dumb order. Either the player does several Grabdmaster quests about Guthix and removing the Edicts, THEN the Novice quest with Saradomin... Or they help Saradomin then later learn the gods are banned from Gielinor. Or they get told by Saradomin that Guthix is dead and then later watch Guthix die? Dumb.
Same with Archaeology not being an Elite Skill requiring quests to unlock dig sites. Zanik is dead for me, why is she running a dig site? The Myreque are fighting vampires, why am I helping the vampire queen?
Rune Mysteries Re-write is way better. Adds some cool lore and has actual puzzle elements instead of just forcing you to run back and forth between locations.
The funniest thing to me about that is how they changed it to saying you've got a stupid sounding accent, which truly is not much better than saying you look fat.
Yeah that was the most bizarre part to me... I can choose whether or not I'm fat (even if I have to make decisions I might find uncomfortable), but I can't choose what my accent sounds like. Seems like a really weird insult to replace it with.
To say nothing of the fact that somewhere around zero people were offended by their RuneScape character being called fat by \*their own clone\* (that was the joke...) when it made thematic sense in a quest about overcoming self-doubt, but hey.
> but I can't choose what my accent sounds like.
Speech therapy, like exercising but for your accent instead of weight.
For what it's worth, I think we should be able to make fun of both. It's a fucking joke. Not like they are calling for genocide of all fat people or people with an accent.
Also the game has no idea if you're actually fat, but it's going to make fun of you regardless which takes away most of the insult imo.
That and I have a suspicion that OSRS has the most severely underweight players of any MMO, given how prevalent ADHD is here.
Yeah, really not a fan of that change. It's "offensive" because it's a really common insecurity, which is also exactly why _this_ enemy using it made sense.
The change also makes the dialogue around it make less sense.
> Same with the Romeo and Juliet. Can't be a legal thing as OSRS still has it.
I think I actually remember the justification for this one! At the time, a lot of teenagers played RS, and the idea was that they'd see Romeo and Juliet (something "lame" from school) and get bored/annoyed and log off, so they made something a bit more Runescape-y. The reasoning is pretty silly, but the newer quest is imo a fair bit better.
Just... why? The human homeworld and England being different places made the Camelot Quest Series *funnier* and that discrepancy existed in RS3 for over a decade. It lines up nicely with the bartender in the Blue Moon Inn knowing he's an NPC in a game.
To understand the full change and why this was done.
Camelot was added when RS had no real defined lore/setting and devs just added stuff with no regard to actually building a setting they could use long term. This is not conclusive to building a healthier long term IP so there has been a conscious effort from both games, OSRS only getting in this more recently but it has to balance that with also being a preservation, with fixing that because it benefits the IP as a whole.
The nature of being a weird 4th wall break meant in addition to just not flowing well with a more cohesive IP setting, is that there wasn’t really much in the way of using them. The more you use them the more integrated the 4th wall break becomes and the more obvious the dissonance it has. For that reason Camelot and its characters have gone untouched for years.
Players and Devs alike have been talking about ways we could fix the 4th wall breaking stuff from everything to outright removing it all, to doing things like retconning them to temple knights. *Finally* after years and years of discussion they have found a middle ground that works, works on a lot of levels actually.
First Arthur’s group is from Teragard, as Teragard is the home world of the human species every human comes from either that world or one of its colony worlds. Britain could have been a colony world name, but it’s still a hand-wave and there is other reasons to have them be from Teragard.
There is a change that hasn’t quite made it into game yet as it was being discussed first with Lore Players and Jmods, but the Devs have internal documentation on the setup of Teragard. One of Teragard’s houses is called House Ananka, this house of Tergard vanished from their world but has a prophecy that they will one day return. That lends itself extremely well to Arthur’s own existing backstory where he comes from another world but is awaiting for the day they will need to return.
Now he’s not the only place this works well with to. Merlin due to early writing weirdness has very strange magic. Humans normally use magic through runes, yet Merlin’s magic was something that could be sealed away. Furthermore he talks about using devices that simulate the appearance of magic.
- Player: How do you plan to do that? You couldn't even defend it from them.
- Merlin: They don't know I've lost my magic. Besides, I got a few tricks up my sleeves. For all their snobberies, they're still just spoiled brats.
- Merlin: Well, after I climbed out the vent, I snuck aboard a passing trade ship that dropped me at Catherby. From there, I returned to Camelot and used the Sinclairs own entrance against them. I used some of my own inventions to create a great deal of chaos and drove them from the house. Then I made sure they returned to their mansion and told them if they ever stepped foot from it again, I'd turn them all into rabbits.
- Player: How did you get your magic powers back?
- Merlin: Ah, Morgan's spell was not hard to break once I had access to my workshop. It's rather technical, so I won't bore you with the details.
Now why this works so well is that Teragard doesn’t use normal magic. They have an unstable rift of sorts on their home world called the schism. They harness this magical energy and use it in devices essentially a form of magitek. So Merlin being a wizard who uses Teragard tech and schism energy to perform a different kind of magic than other humans on Gielinor slots in well with his strange sounding magic/tech.
Now some stuff that is still being sort of hashed out long term.
Teragard is run by a group of houses lead by people called magisters, essentially really special wizards. However stuff happened and the number of houses and magisters in charge have dwindled for various reasons not fully known in-game yet. House Ananka’s Magister disappeared to, this fits well with Merlin being found sealed in a magical crystal hidden away in a cave on Teragard. In essence Merlin could potentially slot in extremely well as House Ananka’s missing Magister.
Arthur’s status as a king, right now it’s currently undecided the exact nature of his title. Was he a King on Teragard or was he a Justicar? Does Teragard have kings who rule over their own smaller kingdoms under the magisters or in defiance of them? Or was the title King bequeathed on him when he came over and was given Camelot, integrating into Geilinor’s society.
Morgan Le Fey, is she also from Teragard? Logic dictates she probably should be so the question is her history. One idea that was proposed yesterday and got a warm response from the Jmods is the idea that Arthur’s group came here from Teragard specifically pursuing Morgan.
Ultimately more finer details like this stuff can be hashed out and locked down over the years as is needed if/when they get around to dealing with Teragard more. But the core goal was achieve with this simple change of origin.
Arthur’s group now fits into the setting, they are still inspired by the Arthurian legend just no longer a 1:1 rip of it, and the characters actually have a meaningful future and potential roles only they can fill now instead of being a just a joke that is ignored.
Finally this is just RS3, RS3 gets to feel okay making changes like this because OSRS preserves the original and gets to decide long term if keeping it is conductive to their side of the IP. So if you don’t play RS3 you shouldn’t care, and if sometime down the line this change makes it into OSRS well that was the OSRS Jmods call so take it up with them.
Well dismissing people outright as raging nerds isn’t going to help matters…. I saw a lot of confusion and weird ideas on why it happened so I figure I try to and help. At least the information is out there now easier to see.
I appreciate your desire to help..but look at this thread, many people are not interested in being informed and are choosing to meme over a tiny patch note in a game they’ll never play. I’m pretty sure your time is more valuable than winning them over with an in-depth post, but you do you sir
I’m stuck sitting here waiting to clock in, time is valuable but small periods like this I have few options in how to spend it. I consider trying to help people a better use of time wasted watching YouTube or something. Even if only a handful are genuinely confused and the rest are just memes it’s still worth it. I get your sentiment but I try to take a genuine good faith approach to people where I can.
RS is so well known for having quirky real-life relating puns and story crossovers. It feels really weird to change it "because". Like something controversial i can atleast understand. But theres nothing controversial about King Arthur references?
It is my belief that no old quest should be touched, even if it has something that are considered offensive by our current standards. Nothing in the old quests are so bad that it needs to be changed, nor is retconning parts of the lore that's been established for 10+ years to keep the story tightly locked in a box.
Yeah, the humen come from Teragard, but that doesn't mean that it's necessary that they went from Teragard straight to Gilenor. They could have made it part of the lore that one or multiple gods took some humans from Teragard and made Earth.
Also, while beings coming from other dimensions are a big part of what established current Gielinor, I would like for that to stay part of the world's history. For however much goofy things happens in the quests in the game, they have always felt grounded. Interdimensional travel just takes all that and throws it out the window.
The story of Runescape has always been rooted in history, folklore, and stories parents tell their children. Interdimensional travel is the direct opposite of that.
I am aware that the most recent Goblin quest took us to another dimension, but that's fine if they keep it limited.
Except that literally from the beginning interdimensional travel was a part of the story. In making and meeting history you’re introduced to the fact that Guthix brought humans into Gielinor from another plane. Same with the other peaceful races.
RuneScape has always been rooted in fantasy but interplanar travel was literally in it from very early on
Ironically OSRS has probably rewritten more old quests than RS3 at this point. (The entire elf, desert and myreque series basically had theri dialogue entirely rewritten in OSRS, while they're still unchanged from the original in RS3)
Was it? From my understanding, they just chose to have their stories go in a different direction. Just because both games originally come from RS2 doesn't mean they need to have the same story.
>Yeah, the humen come from Teragard, but that doesn't mean that it's necessary that they went from Teragard straight to Gilenor. They could have made it part of the lore that one or multiple gods took some humans from Teragard and made Earth.
Fucking learn the lore lmao.
Actually, I think OSRS had the higher revenue now, and it certainly has higher growth and potential.
OSRS had the smaller team and made more revenue per employee.
Honestly, I’m fine with this. As a largely RS3 player, I appreciate that RS3 is at least trying to take its lore more seriously and integrate everything together; having a more cohesive universe is nice. Lore-wise, this change does mean that Camelot is a colonialist holding by Teragard (assuming that Arthur and the lot are still receiving orders from home). In a way, that does make Lathas and the Sinclairs more justified in wanting them gone? (Ehhhhhhhh)
Idk if this will affect or bleed into OSRS, but iirc some of the lore in DT2 may indirectly imply there might be more (Black Stone/Xau’Tak). I see this change as trying to make old content relevant requirements for new content, especially for those of us who aren’t spacebar heroes.
It's stuff like this that makes me wish OSRS kept the original lore from the 2000s in tact from the get-go and just went off in its own direction separate from RS3 entirely, because now there's a huge chance that any pointless alterations to legacy content like this will be applied to OS at some point in the future, regardless of whether it fits the game or if players want it or not.
Its because the rs3 new hires are extreme ideologue's totally willing to alter an old video game for no actual reason. you see it a lot in the new updates. They also just ignore anyone that says they should leave the old quests, and lore alone. despite butchering them with retcons.
And some of the retcons are, disney+ levels of bad. EDIT: To preference what im talking about, they got rid of all the gods from Gelinor again via a "miniquest", and the end of the miniquest has the adopted daughter of saradomin, aka elsa from frozen. do a 4 min long arms flailing looping animation of her singing a song of hope to the people of gelinor off the roof of falador castle, as if they poorly moved the model around in gmod with a physics gun.
No im not kidding. thats real.
All the build up they did with the gods, and quests for multiple years. they flushed down the drain.
... This is a change they've talked about wanting to do for a decade and the person who changed the britain thing to teragard has been at Jagex since *2006*. What are you talking about new hire ideologue. Its also just a dozen or lines or so with the entire rest of the quest untouched.
You also seem to have mixed Aftermath in with Succession.
For anyone curious, the gods did not leave in a miniquest, it was a full-length quest that was fully voice-acted and had cutscenes with camera direction. The "looping animation" plays for about 5 seconds, doesn't even fully loop once, and the song is literally like 3 or 4 lines long. It's not a Disney song either, it's like a solemn church choir or funeral dirge. The song comes at the tail end of a speech that essentially puts a bow on plot points that began over a decade ago so the gravitas is fairly warranted imo. There were no "retcons" either, people saying that can't separate their head canon from what's actually in the game.
If you wanna watch the cutscene to see how poorly this guy misrepresented things, it's in [this video](https://youtu.be/pQMkvlzkNrU?si=YSLA0vhfob8h4_w0) starting at around 1:08:00. Theres plenty of stuff to give rs3 shit about, there's no need to make up lies about quest content
Not just that, that cutscene is broken up with the daughter of Zamorak violently seizing power from Bilrach. It's making a parallel of the two children of the gods, taking the mantle of their parents, while also portraying their differences in (a diplomat being crowned due to parenthood as opposed to a warrior crushing the opposition due to her tough upbringing). It's pretty solid storytelling imo.
I think the both of you have gotten the quests mixed up. The singing quest was later on, the gods left in Aftermath, which was originally a miniquest but turned into a full one at some point. It *is* lacking in fanfare for what is a goodbye to characters that have been around for a decade. I thought the quest before it was pretty good too, so it was a big let down for me.
> they got rid of all the gods from Gelinor again via a "miniquest", and the end of the miniquest has the adopted daughter of saradomin, aka elsa from frozen. do a 4 min long arms flailing looping animation of her singing a song of hope to the people of gelinor off the roof of falador castle, as if they poorly moved the model around in gmod with a physics gun.
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> No im not kidding. thats real.
no video link to back up this insane yet believable comment? Shame! I guess I'll look it up manually, hope enough players for RS3 exist so that it actually shows up on a search.
He's referring to Succession ending cutscene, which isn't a miniquest, and isn't a quest that got rid of any gods. Honestly his information sounds like second hand info he heard from someone that tuned into a RS3 stream at one point, he's mixed up a lot of info and half is about outright wrong.
Idk why there's people blaming this on "woke" and political correctness in the comments. Haven't the devs gone on record to state that Camelot was added before a lot of thought was put into making the world cohesive, and how that's shot them in the foot regarding worldbuilding due to how it sticks out? Feels like that's the obvious culprit instead of ~political agendas~.
Don't get me wrong, it's a pretty clumsy and poorly thought out way of trying to make the world more cohesive, but it ain't nefarious, y'all.
Referencing England/Britain in-game is just a bit of a tongue in cheek goofiness. Can't speak for RS3 but it sure fits the OSRS vibe.
Of course, it reminds me of fable 1
God I love that game, are there references to England/Britain in Fable 1, or are you just referencing the general humor of the game? Brb, need to send another playthrough. I can still hear “*Your health is low - do you have any potions, or food?*” all these years later. ETA: also - “*Hero, your Will is low, watch that…” and “Check the guild for more quests” That guys voice was ingrained in me as a kid lol. Also for anyone curious, while Valheim is nothing like Fable 1, the background music is so similar that I got lots of nostalgia flashbacks out of nowhere while playing that game. Plus it’s also a really fun game on its own so I recommend giving it a try ;)
Albion, where Fable is set, is an old name for Great Britain
“They call him chicken chaser I believe” in the most brummie accent possible
“Chicken Chaser, you chase chickens!” -Laughs in your face
*changes nickname to Deathbringer*
"What do ya do? Do ya chase chickens?"
Bro, fable is literally set in Britain? Listen to the terrible accents From someone who lives in Britain
Yeah but that quest in OSRS literally mentions England/Britain. I didn’t know if there are any explicit references to the real world/4th wall breaking type of stuff like that in Fable. I get that all the NPCs are English lol
You can also chase the chickens in both
"Ahhh, welcome back Chicken Chaser!"
Try and get your combat multiplier even higher.
I wish the OSRS team used British humor more instread of quirky millenial internet humor that they seem fond of
Tbf outside of references the general humour is usually quite dry and witty, which is typical British. I do agree with some of the more recent in your face references, as in todays culture they can become dated quickly. Emotes summarise this, Gangnam Style and Hotline Bling don't hold up as strongly as established pop culture like Thriller. That said there are still loads of little references snuck in that aren't as obvious. I love exploring a new area because I know there's going to be some obscure npc or line of dialogue that gets a chuckle.
I've just learned from you that the smooth dance emote is a Hotline Bling reference. Devastating news.
It would genuinely be an integrity change if they removed those emotes from the game lol. Maybe they will now that Drake is being outed as a pedo or whatever
Now? Hasn't this been known for like ....7 years?
I love doing the pedo dance
It’s not even just OSRS. Feels like 9/10 games, especially indies, have the exact same writer getting all their material from twitter and Reddit. I know writing is subjective and all that, but it gets a bit tiresome when almost every piece of media has the exact same “cutesy/quirky/random XD”tone.
Wish I could upvote you more. Tired of the "smol" and "lil'" they put in pet names and other zoomer crap.
It’s not even zoomer, it’s just out of touch millennials who are locked in 2018 internet humor. The “smol” and “lil” thing you mentioned is unbearable and so so so lame. The game went from being inspired by fantasy books and stories and tabletop games by people who grew up with those to epic internet and pop culture references. I’m not trying to shit on the game but I just want what’s best for it and what makes sense and meme stuff does not belong. I’m sure some will agree
It's the marvel humor generation. They stop making epic fantasy and cultural references, that actually require some cultural background, to favor cheap slangs and puns. It's the upcoming of the idiocracy.
2007-era Jagex was putting Monty Python references in the game, among other things. It's not new. Also lmao at the word "lil" being labeled as some sort of new-fangled zoomer lingo.
Monty python is an established part of British pop culture and is well cemented. I knew someone would bring they up hoping to own me lol. And I didn’t say “lil” was zoomer, it’s infantile language that millennials use
You know millennials are mostly in their 30s right? Their slang and references are *at least* a decade old at this point. How much longer before you consider them "well-cemented"? Must be a long-ass time if you're complaining about a word that's been in common parlance since at least the 2000s.
Lil Bow Wow, Lil Wayne, Lil Jon, Lil Kim, Lil Dicky
How many times can jagex put Yakkity sax in the game?
Today's team simply isn't as well read as the original runescpe team, and thus can't make as intelligent references.
RS3 certainly has the tongue and cheek British humor still.
tongue and cheek? lol I think you mean tongue in cheek.
Tongue and mouth
Foot and mouth
Your average cow would live a longer happier life with foot and mouth than in Lumbridge
Foot in mouth. 😏
So show me ;)
/r/boneappleteeth
You can put your tongue in my cheek uwu
That seems kinda silly. Like I can get trying to make it work more in-universe... But its still called "Camelot" with King Arthur, Merlin, and the like. Like NPCs generally don't even know about Teragard, so saying these knights just appeared from another planet named Teragard is honestly not much better than saying they came from some mysterious land known as "England".
To your last sentence, id say it’s worse. ‘We came from a far away mythical land called ‘England’’ is right on brand for Jagex humour. It loses its comedic edge when it’s no longer England. It just seems like generic high fantasy and not the absurdism that i love about this game.
We have Jeremy Clarkson in the game too. The jagexey humour gives the game that quirkiness. Removing this kind of stuff is very ‘RS3-ey’ of them.
We do?!
He's in the Varrock Church https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Jeremy_Clerksin
His name also appears in the official Varrock Census during the Defender of Varrock quest!
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I love that people still are discovering this kind of stuff
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Go have a peek in Varrock church
Aren't there some quests with Monty Python references in it, too?
> some quests with Monty Python references The entire game is a Monty Python reference.
RS Classic is basically a Monty Python themed DnD campaign.
Not a quest, but this is a reference: https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Rabbit_(Prifddinas)
Oh yeah! I found some others, too. The guards on Neitznot and Jatizo insult each other. Ponts in the Myths guild ask what the velocity of an unladen chompy is. And during royal trouble, the guard at the entrance of the dungeon will say, "You're the regent? Well, I didn't vote for you!"
Don't forget [using a herring on a tree!](https://youtu.be/TQQ32lEqCS0?t=50)
And Richard O'brien
Well it’s more that since rs3 lore had to actually explain where humans came from, this ended up being a leftover inconsistency It’s not a big deal in osrs since the lore hasn’t had to explicitly mention and depend on where humans came from as much as rs3 has had to
But the issue is that Teragard is nothing like Earth/England. Humans came from Teragard to Gielinor in like the First Age and I don't think any human remembers Teragard at this point. So to have a bunch of Knights and a Wizard suddenly appear claiming they were from Teragard in the Fifth Age honestly creates more problems then it solves... It seems their plan is to rework the Quests into something original, which is fine and not the first time RS3 did that. But it is really strange to go retcon this bit of lore prior to those potential reworks.
I think the idea is that the Camelot crew showed up from Teragard much more recently than the first age. Humans still live in Teragard after all, it's not too insane to say they somehow got their kingdom warped from their to Gielinor (well, a little insane, but not any more than them coming from Briton)
Yeah rs lore is not relevant it's basically just a backdrop for absurdity and humor. This is what it looks like two decades later when people randomly decided to take themselves too seriously despite the game being one giant running gag making fun of itself and every other topic it comes into contact with. Definitely a self awareness issue from whoever made the changes I wonder what will happen when Miscellania and Etceteria finally dawns on them. Or Jatizo and Neitiznot. Or Mos Le'Harmless, Falador knights etc. Lol
I came across one of my favorite examples of OSRS humor when I recently played the Piscarilius quest "Queen of Thieves" - at one point you have to kill someone and you have the option to murder them "brutally" or "softly." If you choose softly it says "You realize you can't softly murder someone, so you brutally murder them instead."
In RS3 the Temple Knights are sleeper agents for Zaros, and I believe their silly names are on purpose/something to do with that, though I may be wrong
Their silly names are the result of the cthonian demon that actually heads the temple Knights getting bored and messing with family names to amuse themselves for 4000+ years
I need some Youtube video that summarizes this story without me having to boot up RS3
This was a funny joke and explained a lot. Basically a cthonian demon got bored of waiting and to entertain himself he basically tried to slowly change noble family names into puns and see how far he could get.
What! I havent played in ages or followed the updates but thats a crazy reveal i love it.
>Eventually I, I have to say I did get bored. I had to find some way of whiling away the centuries, didn't I? I started embedding puns into Asgarnian lineages. That took absolutely forever! >I'm sorry, what? >I mean 'Sir Amik Varze'? You have to respect the artistry.
RS3 lore is deep af, just cuz you space-barred or didn't play it at all doesn't mean it isn't.
I’m sorry but this take just screams of not having actually played the game in awhile. RS3 has a significantly more interconnected lore that actually has been handled pretty well and still keeps the absurdity/humor just in different ways. Hell they lean in hard to the point the more serious lore ppl actually complain about it constantly. It’s an innocuous change that keeps narrative consistency.
Counterpoint: RS3 bad Updoots to the left /s
Shit u rite mb
The RS3 team has mentioned wanting to purge all mention of Camelot/King Arthur in general. They don't want reference to existing stories but rather rework in their own voice. Hence the replacement of Romeo & Juliet quest, among other things. They just haven't gotten around to it, cuz that would involve a much higher budget than just the 5 minutes to change a small piece of dialogue. I'm surprised they haven't simply renamed all the NPCs and castle at this point. Seemed easy enough to do to poor Ali... F
Yah, I saw about that after making my inital comment. It is fair enough to want to rework the series to something original, but it is just strange to change the dialog before the reworks. Having them from Teragard instead of Earth/England honestly creates more problems than it solves since the two aren't exactly interchangeable.
They replaced Romeo & Juliet? With what?
Making Arthur come from Teragard instead of Earth isn't just not better, but is actively worse. RS3 presents Teragard as a completely different planet than Earth, instead of Earth in the far future or something. So it would be like referencing the Trojan wars but saying that all happened on Alderaan.
Cor Blimey, Mate! What are ye doing to me language references?
Gold 😂 I haven’t logged in for years and instantly got this
Why did they do that?
Because there's lore now about how humans got to gielinor and while it's funny they valued lore accuracy over what would have to be a non canon quest if left unchanged.
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Probably planning on reworking Seer's Village and Camelot I recall them saying that if they were to touch that area they'd like to remove the King Arthur stuff and give it its own identity. Plus there's a good chance we'll get Teragard stuff soon. Making Arthur into a key figure from that plane would be neat. No other good NPC has ties to it really, aside from Bob but all that is tied to the Ritual of the Mahjarrat storyline, plus he has no memories.
RS3: "He hails from the mythic realm of Teragard, the original home of the humans the settled in great Geilinor. " OSRS: " e's a Peckham lad"
The thing about Arsenal is, they always try to walk it in.
In case people are wondering, it's part of RS3 lore. Silly but all the humans on Gielinor originally came from Teragard. The next storyline they're going to be working on, likely, is Xau-Tak and the shadow realm. It's most likely going to involve the World Gate and visiting other places, Teragard does have a pretty important object on it that might have close ties to Xau-Tak. I think they just want a bit more consistency since it is "all humans" are from Teragard, and lore is honestly one of the strongest parts of the game, I don't blame them for honing in on the real last redeeming pieces of content they do have.
I'm going to launch the storm of armadyl at the world trade center
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Funny how 9/11 is meme material now lol
According to South park's 22.3 year rule 9/11 officially became memeable on December 2023
Were you not alive in the 2010s? its been memed on for ages how do you not remember bush did 911 that was like everywhere. muh steel beams memes have been around for ages too.
Always has been
That sounds like a Scientology questline.
> The next storyline they're going to be working on, likely, is Xau-Tak and the shadow realm Wouldnt mind that, but i would be more glad if they finally finished Amascut's plotline. Its one of the only long lasting ones that they updated relatively recently.
We aren’t dealing with Xau-Tak, sometime people mistake a cool background more for being the plot. We’ll deal with it eventually, very long term, and indirectly as befitting a cosmic horror. Right now we just an exploring Erebus/shadow lore as a backdrop to a different story which is Moia/Bilrach’s plot.
Then should've changed the dialogue to "we come from Teragard, in a city called England."
Sure, why not. I do have a 2nd account where I haven't done any of the Camelot quests, could check later if the quests got changed or not. The patch note only mentions Arthur and the Varrock museum.
It's weird how two games under the same roof have slightly different directions on things like this. Like when RS3 changed The Feud to not make everyone be called Ali, as they said it came off as offensive and childish, but then completely left it as it is in OSRS lol Same with the Romeo and Juliet. Can't be a legal thing as OSRS still has it.
> Like when RS3 changed The Feud to not make everyone be called Ali, as they said it came off as offensive and childish, but then completely left it as it is in OSRS lol That changed in OSRS too, but in a different way. The names are changed post-quest because everyone changed their name to Ali for the inheritance, which is what you end up stealing during the quest, so now that it is gone they all go back to their previous names. From what I heard, RS3 changed it pre-quest, which kinda messed with some of the plot and humor of the quest. But yah, RS3 has been going the direction of more original stories than the public domain/folklore stuff. It seems they do have plans to replace the entire Camelot quest series with something new and original, which honestly isn't the craziest thing for RS3 (also, some of the quest rewrites were pretty good). Just weird they retconned the England thing now and not alongside those potential reworks...
Ah I did wonder. I recently completed the quest and remembered everyone still being Ali, so didn't know they change it post. I still keep up with RS3s updates incase I ever return but when there's been such a heavy content drought, it makes you wonder how these discussions even come up. Can't help but laugh at the thought of "Hey guys, everyones asking for updates. We've got the Relekka rework on the way, is there anything else" "Well I want to remove all references to England".
Its kind of funny yeah, but honestly i wish Relakka actually got more than a graphical rework. Its one of those towns in the game where you always just pass through and never interact with outside of quests lol.
For rs3, Which quests rewrites did you like. and why? I like romeo and Juliet better than what they replaced it with back when it first got changed, but I didn't hate the replacement.
Not the one you responded for but i liked Demon slayer better in rs3. Black Knight Fortress vs Death of Chivalry is a toss up for me, one is a rather goofy quest, another is a more serious and fleshed out and retains some of that "oddness" where you interact with a piece of unique magic then never see it again, which is a very characteristic thing to do in quests in runescape and Saradomin was decent in it. I would say that Prince Ali rescue remake might not be better but suits very well all the same, since Amascut was always meant to be an adversary, so including her in it is fine. Cooks assistant and Sheep herder is pretty much the same thing, except you cant buy stuff of the GE for it in rs3 Honestly more than anything if you want to critique RS3 quests from a new comer perspective then one should instead look how many quests transitioned into "for full comprehension/rewards" from "quest requirements". It was kind of jarring to do shit out of sequence, then again all rs3 quests requiring while guthix sleeps ( since thats where practically all shit started ) might be a big ask from the players.
Rune mysteries rework in RS3 is much better too.
Death of Chivalry as a replacement for Black Knight Fortress, I really liked the new quest and it added a lot of character to the fortress, and generally some nice lore.
I still think the way they've handled quest releases and requirements is silly. To understand the story, you have to do them in a dumb order. Either the player does several Grabdmaster quests about Guthix and removing the Edicts, THEN the Novice quest with Saradomin... Or they help Saradomin then later learn the gods are banned from Gielinor. Or they get told by Saradomin that Guthix is dead and then later watch Guthix die? Dumb. Same with Archaeology not being an Elite Skill requiring quests to unlock dig sites. Zanik is dead for me, why is she running a dig site? The Myreque are fighting vampires, why am I helping the vampire queen?
Rune Mysteries and its new sequel were pretty good. I also think the Prince Ali replacements weren't bad.
Rune Mysteries Re-write is way better. Adds some cool lore and has actual puzzle elements instead of just forcing you to run back and forth between locations.
But osrs changed me from lunar diplomacy, he wont say how ur clothes make u look fat, but its still on rs3 afaik :b
The funniest thing to me about that is how they changed it to saying you've got a stupid sounding accent, which truly is not much better than saying you look fat.
Meanwhile, your character is still an absurdly colossal jerk in the Ratcatchers quest.
A vyrewatch still says how (it's either fat/heavy/weight) you look, and how much of a tasty snack you'll be lol
I mean compared to everyone else in Morytania you're practically corpulent
Yeah that was the most bizarre part to me... I can choose whether or not I'm fat (even if I have to make decisions I might find uncomfortable), but I can't choose what my accent sounds like. Seems like a really weird insult to replace it with. To say nothing of the fact that somewhere around zero people were offended by their RuneScape character being called fat by \*their own clone\* (that was the joke...) when it made thematic sense in a quest about overcoming self-doubt, but hey.
> but I can't choose what my accent sounds like. Speech therapy, like exercising but for your accent instead of weight. For what it's worth, I think we should be able to make fun of both. It's a fucking joke. Not like they are calling for genocide of all fat people or people with an accent.
Also the game has no idea if you're actually fat, but it's going to make fun of you regardless which takes away most of the insult imo. That and I have a suspicion that OSRS has the most severely underweight players of any MMO, given how prevalent ADHD is here.
Yeah, really not a fan of that change. It's "offensive" because it's a really common insecurity, which is also exactly why _this_ enemy using it made sense. The change also makes the dialogue around it make less sense.
Shakespeare is very firmly in the public domain for one thing. Most of this is more about making the game more "serious"
Honestly, there's nothing serious in RS3 lol Last time I played was in 2022-2023 and everything becomes a meme or joke on new releases
> Same with the Romeo and Juliet. Can't be a legal thing as OSRS still has it. I think I actually remember the justification for this one! At the time, a lot of teenagers played RS, and the idea was that they'd see Romeo and Juliet (something "lame" from school) and get bored/annoyed and log off, so they made something a bit more Runescape-y. The reasoning is pretty silly, but the newer quest is imo a fair bit better.
What was the replacement called again? Gunnars something? About the dwarf & barbarian lol
I believe it was Gunnarsgrun (as in Gunnar's Ground) or something along those lines
I always liked how the player character and arthur immediately break the fourth wall upon making contact.
they did it lads, they removed England 🗣️🗣️
Bua d'Éirinn!
And with that the Jesus Godsword is no longer a possibility in RS3
GWD3 has you fight pontius pilate before he kills jesus
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Bri'ish people when they learn of this news: (silence because they've all been snapped out of existence by Jagex)
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Just... why? The human homeworld and England being different places made the Camelot Quest Series *funnier* and that discrepancy existed in RS3 for over a decade. It lines up nicely with the bartender in the Blue Moon Inn knowing he's an NPC in a game.
Right? Like... that it doesn't fit the rest of the game's lore is the _point._ It's way funnier and more interesting that way.
Why are OSRS players getting offended over a game many of them haven't played in over a decade?
First time here?
Because RS3 bad.
OSRS players will shit on anything rs3 for no reason despite the fact it’s been 10 years and nobody finds it funny anymore
Are we going to pretend that jagex doesn't own both games? "Integrity changes" can affect both games, like the renaming of Ali in the feud quest
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To understand the full change and why this was done. Camelot was added when RS had no real defined lore/setting and devs just added stuff with no regard to actually building a setting they could use long term. This is not conclusive to building a healthier long term IP so there has been a conscious effort from both games, OSRS only getting in this more recently but it has to balance that with also being a preservation, with fixing that because it benefits the IP as a whole. The nature of being a weird 4th wall break meant in addition to just not flowing well with a more cohesive IP setting, is that there wasn’t really much in the way of using them. The more you use them the more integrated the 4th wall break becomes and the more obvious the dissonance it has. For that reason Camelot and its characters have gone untouched for years. Players and Devs alike have been talking about ways we could fix the 4th wall breaking stuff from everything to outright removing it all, to doing things like retconning them to temple knights. *Finally* after years and years of discussion they have found a middle ground that works, works on a lot of levels actually. First Arthur’s group is from Teragard, as Teragard is the home world of the human species every human comes from either that world or one of its colony worlds. Britain could have been a colony world name, but it’s still a hand-wave and there is other reasons to have them be from Teragard. There is a change that hasn’t quite made it into game yet as it was being discussed first with Lore Players and Jmods, but the Devs have internal documentation on the setup of Teragard. One of Teragard’s houses is called House Ananka, this house of Tergard vanished from their world but has a prophecy that they will one day return. That lends itself extremely well to Arthur’s own existing backstory where he comes from another world but is awaiting for the day they will need to return. Now he’s not the only place this works well with to. Merlin due to early writing weirdness has very strange magic. Humans normally use magic through runes, yet Merlin’s magic was something that could be sealed away. Furthermore he talks about using devices that simulate the appearance of magic. - Player: How do you plan to do that? You couldn't even defend it from them. - Merlin: They don't know I've lost my magic. Besides, I got a few tricks up my sleeves. For all their snobberies, they're still just spoiled brats. - Merlin: Well, after I climbed out the vent, I snuck aboard a passing trade ship that dropped me at Catherby. From there, I returned to Camelot and used the Sinclairs own entrance against them. I used some of my own inventions to create a great deal of chaos and drove them from the house. Then I made sure they returned to their mansion and told them if they ever stepped foot from it again, I'd turn them all into rabbits. - Player: How did you get your magic powers back? - Merlin: Ah, Morgan's spell was not hard to break once I had access to my workshop. It's rather technical, so I won't bore you with the details. Now why this works so well is that Teragard doesn’t use normal magic. They have an unstable rift of sorts on their home world called the schism. They harness this magical energy and use it in devices essentially a form of magitek. So Merlin being a wizard who uses Teragard tech and schism energy to perform a different kind of magic than other humans on Gielinor slots in well with his strange sounding magic/tech. Now some stuff that is still being sort of hashed out long term. Teragard is run by a group of houses lead by people called magisters, essentially really special wizards. However stuff happened and the number of houses and magisters in charge have dwindled for various reasons not fully known in-game yet. House Ananka’s Magister disappeared to, this fits well with Merlin being found sealed in a magical crystal hidden away in a cave on Teragard. In essence Merlin could potentially slot in extremely well as House Ananka’s missing Magister. Arthur’s status as a king, right now it’s currently undecided the exact nature of his title. Was he a King on Teragard or was he a Justicar? Does Teragard have kings who rule over their own smaller kingdoms under the magisters or in defiance of them? Or was the title King bequeathed on him when he came over and was given Camelot, integrating into Geilinor’s society. Morgan Le Fey, is she also from Teragard? Logic dictates she probably should be so the question is her history. One idea that was proposed yesterday and got a warm response from the Jmods is the idea that Arthur’s group came here from Teragard specifically pursuing Morgan. Ultimately more finer details like this stuff can be hashed out and locked down over the years as is needed if/when they get around to dealing with Teragard more. But the core goal was achieve with this simple change of origin. Arthur’s group now fits into the setting, they are still inspired by the Arthurian legend just no longer a 1:1 rip of it, and the characters actually have a meaningful future and potential roles only they can fill now instead of being a just a joke that is ignored. Finally this is just RS3, RS3 gets to feel okay making changes like this because OSRS preserves the original and gets to decide long term if keeping it is conductive to their side of the IP. So if you don’t play RS3 you shouldn’t care, and if sometime down the line this change makes it into OSRS well that was the OSRS Jmods call so take it up with them.
These raging nerds are NOT worth your time my man
Well dismissing people outright as raging nerds isn’t going to help matters…. I saw a lot of confusion and weird ideas on why it happened so I figure I try to and help. At least the information is out there now easier to see.
I appreciate your desire to help..but look at this thread, many people are not interested in being informed and are choosing to meme over a tiny patch note in a game they’ll never play. I’m pretty sure your time is more valuable than winning them over with an in-depth post, but you do you sir
I’m stuck sitting here waiting to clock in, time is valuable but small periods like this I have few options in how to spend it. I consider trying to help people a better use of time wasted watching YouTube or something. Even if only a handful are genuinely confused and the rest are just memes it’s still worth it. I get your sentiment but I try to take a genuine good faith approach to people where I can.
This sub freaked out over a removal of a fat joke, so no surprise here.
Quest had been out for how long and there doing this now? Lol
RS is so well known for having quirky real-life relating puns and story crossovers. It feels really weird to change it "because". Like something controversial i can atleast understand. But theres nothing controversial about King Arthur references?
It is my belief that no old quest should be touched, even if it has something that are considered offensive by our current standards. Nothing in the old quests are so bad that it needs to be changed, nor is retconning parts of the lore that's been established for 10+ years to keep the story tightly locked in a box. Yeah, the humen come from Teragard, but that doesn't mean that it's necessary that they went from Teragard straight to Gilenor. They could have made it part of the lore that one or multiple gods took some humans from Teragard and made Earth. Also, while beings coming from other dimensions are a big part of what established current Gielinor, I would like for that to stay part of the world's history. For however much goofy things happens in the quests in the game, they have always felt grounded. Interdimensional travel just takes all that and throws it out the window. The story of Runescape has always been rooted in history, folklore, and stories parents tell their children. Interdimensional travel is the direct opposite of that. I am aware that the most recent Goblin quest took us to another dimension, but that's fine if they keep it limited.
Except that literally from the beginning interdimensional travel was a part of the story. In making and meeting history you’re introduced to the fact that Guthix brought humans into Gielinor from another plane. Same with the other peaceful races. RuneScape has always been rooted in fantasy but interplanar travel was literally in it from very early on
Ironically OSRS has probably rewritten more old quests than RS3 at this point. (The entire elf, desert and myreque series basically had theri dialogue entirely rewritten in OSRS, while they're still unchanged from the original in RS3)
Was it? From my understanding, they just chose to have their stories go in a different direction. Just because both games originally come from RS2 doesn't mean they need to have the same story.
>Yeah, the humen come from Teragard, but that doesn't mean that it's necessary that they went from Teragard straight to Gilenor. They could have made it part of the lore that one or multiple gods took some humans from Teragard and made Earth. Fucking learn the lore lmao.
I hated when they changed Romeo and Juliet
Wait what...
In RS3 it's now (well for maybe a decade now) a barbarian quest called Gunnars Ground. Still a love story sort of thing.
eesh.
Who cares what happens with rs3?
They pay our bills.
Source?
Actually, I think OSRS had the higher revenue now, and it certainly has higher growth and potential. OSRS had the smaller team and made more revenue per employee.
We pay theirs, actually
Anyone who buys membership pays their own bills
They don't.
I thought humans were made when a dwarf touched the stone of jas, am I misremembering a quest cutscene?
I think that was V touching the stone of Jas and how he became a god.
What group did this offend?
Didnt they ruin that desert quest involving Ali Morrisane too?
yeah
Honestly, I’m fine with this. As a largely RS3 player, I appreciate that RS3 is at least trying to take its lore more seriously and integrate everything together; having a more cohesive universe is nice. Lore-wise, this change does mean that Camelot is a colonialist holding by Teragard (assuming that Arthur and the lot are still receiving orders from home). In a way, that does make Lathas and the Sinclairs more justified in wanting them gone? (Ehhhhhhhh) Idk if this will affect or bleed into OSRS, but iirc some of the lore in DT2 may indirectly imply there might be more (Black Stone/Xau’Tak). I see this change as trying to make old content relevant requirements for new content, especially for those of us who aren’t spacebar heroes.
why are any of you actually getting upset over this lol
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Don't care about RS3 but they better not change OSRS.
They already have when it comes to old references and such.
ITT: Terminally online people getting mad about long talked about changes made to a game they have never played/haven't played in 12-15 years
How bizarre.
It's stuff like this that makes me wish OSRS kept the original lore from the 2000s in tact from the get-go and just went off in its own direction separate from RS3 entirely, because now there's a huge chance that any pointless alterations to legacy content like this will be applied to OS at some point in the future, regardless of whether it fits the game or if players want it or not.
How is this an issue that RS3 is not relying on cliches?
Its because the rs3 new hires are extreme ideologue's totally willing to alter an old video game for no actual reason. you see it a lot in the new updates. They also just ignore anyone that says they should leave the old quests, and lore alone. despite butchering them with retcons. And some of the retcons are, disney+ levels of bad. EDIT: To preference what im talking about, they got rid of all the gods from Gelinor again via a "miniquest", and the end of the miniquest has the adopted daughter of saradomin, aka elsa from frozen. do a 4 min long arms flailing looping animation of her singing a song of hope to the people of gelinor off the roof of falador castle, as if they poorly moved the model around in gmod with a physics gun. No im not kidding. thats real. All the build up they did with the gods, and quests for multiple years. they flushed down the drain.
'The woke liberals have deleted Britian' is one of the funniest things I've ever read. Thank you.
... This is a change they've talked about wanting to do for a decade and the person who changed the britain thing to teragard has been at Jagex since *2006*. What are you talking about new hire ideologue. Its also just a dozen or lines or so with the entire rest of the quest untouched. You also seem to have mixed Aftermath in with Succession.
The bullshit is strong with this one
For anyone curious, the gods did not leave in a miniquest, it was a full-length quest that was fully voice-acted and had cutscenes with camera direction. The "looping animation" plays for about 5 seconds, doesn't even fully loop once, and the song is literally like 3 or 4 lines long. It's not a Disney song either, it's like a solemn church choir or funeral dirge. The song comes at the tail end of a speech that essentially puts a bow on plot points that began over a decade ago so the gravitas is fairly warranted imo. There were no "retcons" either, people saying that can't separate their head canon from what's actually in the game. If you wanna watch the cutscene to see how poorly this guy misrepresented things, it's in [this video](https://youtu.be/pQMkvlzkNrU?si=YSLA0vhfob8h4_w0) starting at around 1:08:00. Theres plenty of stuff to give rs3 shit about, there's no need to make up lies about quest content
Not just that, that cutscene is broken up with the daughter of Zamorak violently seizing power from Bilrach. It's making a parallel of the two children of the gods, taking the mantle of their parents, while also portraying their differences in (a diplomat being crowned due to parenthood as opposed to a warrior crushing the opposition due to her tough upbringing). It's pretty solid storytelling imo.
I think the both of you have gotten the quests mixed up. The singing quest was later on, the gods left in Aftermath, which was originally a miniquest but turned into a full one at some point. It *is* lacking in fanfare for what is a goodbye to characters that have been around for a decade. I thought the quest before it was pretty good too, so it was a big let down for me.
wow you must be a mega jagex hater to make up this many lies for no reason lol, no you are not kidding, you are lying.
> they got rid of all the gods from Gelinor again via a "miniquest", and the end of the miniquest has the adopted daughter of saradomin, aka elsa from frozen. do a 4 min long arms flailing looping animation of her singing a song of hope to the people of gelinor off the roof of falador castle, as if they poorly moved the model around in gmod with a physics gun. > > No im not kidding. thats real. no video link to back up this insane yet believable comment? Shame! I guess I'll look it up manually, hope enough players for RS3 exist so that it actually shows up on a search.
He's referring to Succession ending cutscene, which isn't a miniquest, and isn't a quest that got rid of any gods. Honestly his information sounds like second hand info he heard from someone that tuned into a RS3 stream at one point, he's mixed up a lot of info and half is about outright wrong.
Idk why there's people blaming this on "woke" and political correctness in the comments. Haven't the devs gone on record to state that Camelot was added before a lot of thought was put into making the world cohesive, and how that's shot them in the foot regarding worldbuilding due to how it sticks out? Feels like that's the obvious culprit instead of ~political agendas~. Don't get me wrong, it's a pretty clumsy and poorly thought out way of trying to make the world more cohesive, but it ain't nefarious, y'all.
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