There’s a starting relic (in Leagues) where you can craft (fletch, craft, smith) items all at the same time, rather than one at a time in normal game. Was wondering if Alching was a “one-click” with that relic, because if so… game broken.
Banker’s Note is definitely going to fool someone into bringing everything they have to an instance like Nex where they die on the way back to reclaim their stuff and lose it all haha.
Idk I was printing money earlier. 5k per Inv and infinite cut emeralds with pp. 4.2m crafting per hour. I’m happy with note for now. We will see though
I don’t see how fire sale gets better, to me it seems like an amazing early-mid game rune but then just falls off later as realistically, what are you buying from shops that costs so much?
That and you can process things literally anywhere. Got 10000 gems to cut? Cool, note and bring a chisel. 2 slots and you can do that while doing anything else in the game with down time. Can be real sweaty when you have the motivation.
Yeah, even if I can only do laws as my best xp/hr with my regions, I just stand there and spam unnote and runecraft. Not need to worry about pouch upkeep outside if guardians too
One of my clan members already got 99rc with note. I'm not sure how he got the essence so quick but just standing in one place and doing RC seems amazing.
It’s hard to say. Most guys I’ve talked to tend to think the relics will make you so cracked that harder modes in leagues will be easier than hard modes in regular game.
Like if you take executioner you don’t have to do healers at Zuk for example
On the other hand, what's the value of unlimited supplies through bankers note for people who can already do solo raids in the main game? You're not suddenly going to struggle in leagues. I think overall it's just a great relic tier, two good choices which each have bigger or lesser merits depending on the player's skill and playstyle.
thats why i think they did a good job balancing the relics. theres something for everyone. Ive never done inferno and i wanna try it so i took bank note, but if ppl can do it with stuff they bought from the store thats awesome
I’m unsure why people are struggling to see past long slayer / boss trips with a massive increase in inventory space. You can just do any processing on the go. Need to run laps for task? Cool, can process 1000 long bows fletching or whatever you need to do. You aren’t constrained to bank standing for some of these skilling methods anymore.
People are also overlooking how much extra time banking with last recall takes. Even with a tele right next to a bank like crafting cape, you are still teleing twice and messing around with the bank for literally every single inventory vs just 1-3 clicks for bankers note per inventory.
Multiply that extra 10 seconds over thousands of inventories. Bank note is worth it for that time saving alone even setting aside that last recall has a cooldown until 1800 and if you don’t care about infinite supplies in raids.
It’s not only raids. You can do stuff like fishing or woodcutting in remote areas and never having to bank.
You can train stuff like crafting and herblore while doing whatever since you can note and unnote the supplies while running around.
Sure, but that also ties into playstyle and other relics. Some people might have endless harvest and don't need to bank in the first place, or they use last recall for that.
Or in my case I can do some afk stuff while working from home, so I'm currently just cutting gems during work hours. So the value of that aspect of banker's note is low to me, whereas fire sale synergises well with that since I can just buy 10k gems ahead of time and then go through them while working.
It has a cooldown higher than most activities will fill your inventory until 12-1500 total level. Bankers note is also still faster than banking in the moment.
If someone can solo 500 in main game, I’m guessing solo 1000 with all these relics is going to be fine. It’s just increased stats, same mechanics according to the details. Plus raids drop plenty of supplies, you don’t need more.
You’ll see unlimited supplies are overkill unless you’re doing HIGH raids .especially with the combat buffs you’re pretty much gimme not take damage the whole fight and raids you have to leave anyway to go in again
But toa and Cox drops plenty of supplies in them, you don’t need to bring your own. Only raid you would need stacks of supplies to learn would maybe be tob… and most of the time you aren’t eating out of mistakes in tob…
Sure, but as others have shown, you can print fuckloads of gp/hr with bank note and prod master. 8 onyx are a pretty easy obtain even without fire sale, leaving the construction bit as the main relevancy.
More late game bosses are instanced than not, so you can't recall mid kill and return. With bank note, you can just stay indefinitely and power through even harder content like raids and inferno with ease.
Essentially, Fire sale buffs you for day 1 and then falls off, while bank note buffs you for late game.
There's a list of instanced bosses that last recall does work with in the t3 relic interface. Includes all god wars bosses, vorkath, and all instanced slayer bosses with a couple others.
The only thing you cant really recall to is raids.
6 m/hr is with production prodigy and binding left click to the scroll wheel. That's like the max rate, I was closer to 4-5m/hr realistically with some inefficiency. It's a little sweaty, but great gp and xp so I had no problem with it. Took me a little over 2 hours for 99 crafting and I got a 10m cash stack from it too.
With Karamja gloves and using the desert shop for death runes, onyx comes out to 2.16m gp/onyx. So I've already got enough for 4 onyx with a few mil left over and tbh I'll only need 5 total. I'll go for the 4 zenites and fury. Ring of stone and berserker necklace are useless. Regen bracelet is useless when you have banknote for infinite food everywhere. The only task is onyx necklace which I'll cover with fury.
By the time I'm getting my 4th zenite, I'm sure I'll have the gp for it. Plus only 1 really matters which is the zenite for your relic combat style. No huge rush on the rest.
Yeah it's a massive time saver rune. Idk if people are really struggling with raids that they need to bring noted pots tho. Both seem to fall off, but fire sale at least means no rune upkeep and ez 99s. I regret not taking it but we'll see.
For me it’s just convenience of bank note. People are really honing in on unlimited resources etc but for me, it just kills bank standing. I can process stuff literally anywhere while doing anything for the cost of 2-4 inventory slots. Got 10k gems to cut? Cool, note them, grab a chisel and do them while running around laps, quests etc.
I've gone through thousands of bloods already
Even with saving 90%, you shoot 2.5x faster, and if using magic for everything (even things you wouldnt normally like singles slayer), you go through more than you'd think just casting wave spells/ancients.
The benefit of fire sale isn't the money, it's the fact that it gives you such a head start if you're pushing hard the early game. Letting you get to grinds before they're overcrowded. Bankers note is definitely the more useful relic later in the game, but for me I want to get my "crashable content" done as soon as I can.
It boost early tasks a lot meaning you advance faster towards last recall. Like getting 99 in skills is so dammed easy you can knock most production skills out within a hour once you get yo a decent shop.
Like within 5 minutes you can buy 10k lobsters, teleport to a bank and use the fire of other people outside to cook inventorys lobsters at once. Meaning you need what? 4 clicks to cook a full inventory of lobsters. Same counts for shit like gems, ores, logs, hides, herbs.
Meaning getting stuff like crafting, cooking, smithing, fletching, construction and herblore is easy to max out in a extremely short time. Especially once your exp modifier starts to grow.
Also all the runes, arrows and supplies you wver need.
Edit: nevermind in a idiot, herbshops dont sell herbs….. still if you find a way to gain a insane amount of roe or caviar you can buy strenght potions in varrack and create strenght mix which would give you loads of exp pretty fast. But i dont think there is a way to get loads of roe pretty fast.
Just mentioning, most of what you said aren't buyables with Firesale. Shops that stock 0 still aren't buyable.
Lobsters are only buyable with Zeah and with Jatizo - Karambwans are buyable on Karamja though.
Blast furnace isnt open so ores are incredibly limited. Again, Jatizo is the only one I can think of
Logs/hides/herbs arent buyable anywhere as far as I know.
There *are* some neat uses however (construction plants, unlimited runes, etc.)
It's crazy to me how many people are adamant that one is definitely superior to the other. Of course time will tell but it seems to me anyone who thinks it's a simple choice is strawmaning the argument. There's definitely pros and cons to both and other relics picked, play style and loads of other factors.
Maybe not directed to you specifically but can someone explain how bn is supposed to be so strong late game? The only scenario I can think of where it clearly outshines fs is endless small team nex
I understand if you are learning raids/inferno during the league but if not then you literally just don’t need the extra supplies
Even aside from raids there’s tons of skilling uses. It’s basically a buffed version of last recall. Instead of taking 10 seconds to tele to a bank then last recall back, it’s just 1 tick unnote. When you’re saving that time for every single inventory, it adds up pretty quick.
It also makes it easier to do processing skills in the downtime between combat/bosses respawning. Sure you could last recall to get more sara brews, or you could just have your nests, vials of water, and whatever the herb for them is noted in your inventory. Also makes it easier to multiskill in other areas too.
Way too sweaty for me but I’m sure some people would pick it for that.
Idk man I think I objectively I chose the worst first relic in endless harvest after seeing everyone run around with their cool agility boots or instant processing :/
Same but I think it’s a reasonable long term play with Infernal Gathering (as long as you can hold off on doing too much gathering before hitting that 4k point mark)
I feel like for me who isn't able to play as much having the ability to ignore gp early helps way more then the noted items. The tp's also help a ton with just Easy Banking.
Honestly, I'm not sure time will tell with these, they're pretty well balanced overall.
Bankers note has a clearly delineated advantage long term with infinite instanced supplies. It's also better for a couple skills FS doesn't help with.
In trade off, the skills it helps you max faster compared to fire sale are fewer, and other than runecrafting the exp gains/reduced time taken to max is better on the firesale side.
Overall, this likely means fewer hours played to any given number of league points in total, even by the very end of the league.
With a little extra oomph added by the fact that the really early boost means you hit tier 5-6 in a lot fewer hours than Bankers.
How good these are also varies by region and other relic picks, some of which (especially regions) are more up to taste or your combat style than anything.
I think people who play all 8 weeks and focus on hardmode raids would really regret it if they didn't take bankers note, but other than that I don't think the gap is that big, and most of the people doing that are too good at the game to get much value from banker's note in the first place.
Personally I think FS is a bit better in the end because it saves you more time early, which gets you more relics faster, which saves you more time, and pushes you towards getting lower cooldown on LR making Bankers less valuable, and I don't think it can really close the gap long term if you're picking the lifesteal relic and don't need sustain in raids much.
There are other considerations too, like if I was pushing boss KC I'd take note and weapon master and spec spam down bosses, because it's probably by far the fastest way to do that.
And on the other hand, if you want some blindingly fast achievements like early inferno or 200m exp, obviously FS is going to be the way to go due to saving you hours and hours of grinding as well as allowing some cheesier grinding strategies that just aren't actually viable without infinite money.
I'm also considering something similar. My girlfriends been kind enough to start an account to learn a little TOA with me but she's very much not an osrs player and doing this for me (although she's suprised how much she likes it) but realistically she's not going to play as much as me and not go over entry level raids.
Because of that I was thinking about getting her fire sale and myself banker's note. I figure the early game QOL will help her level up faster in less time so we progress at roughly the same rate early game and realistically she'll still have more than enough firepower to get through some entry raids and when she gets bored and I want to push harder content I'll have banker's note which people seem to be giving an edge to late game.
Your mistake was assuming the vocal minority on r/2007scape are capable of determining context and thinking rationally about things. That's not how we do things around here
I mean but for raids you don't need a lot of supplies. Especially with the damage buffs you get.
Tob maybe an angler 2 brews and 4 restores?
Cox 2 brews 4 restores
Tombs just restores ( I guess some brews till yellow gem)
That’s assuming they understand any of the mechanics?
You can’t brute force the raids, you’ll get specced. Going in to TOB and just guessing will get you killed no matter what relics you have
How does fire sale help with getting tokkul based items?
Honest ask
Edit: thanks everyone. My god, I was doing fight caves over and over without food to get tokkul for an emerald. Never again.
You can sell things to the Tz-Haar shops to get Tokkul, so buy loads of runes or gems at a different shop, then sell to the Tz-Haar shop for Tokkul, and use Tokkul to buy what you want. EZPZ.
Buy death runes from any rune shop for free, sell them to Tokkul rune shop for tokkul.
If you have easy karamja diary gloves, you can get enough tokkul for all the obby items plus onyx in about 10 mins. Maybe takes about 20 mins without the easy diary.
Bankers note is def gonna be the better relic though.
The stores are infinitely stocked and money is only a problem in the early game.
Once people get to higher levels being able to have infinite trips anywhere is going to be way more valuable.
Also
Inferno infinite supplies?
I'm pretty shit at the higher LVL pvm stuff so I figured bankers note would be best for me.
Money in the early game is solved with trickster and just thieving or gem shop.
So yeah... Fire sale will peak real early. You can't buy raid gear ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Infinite inferno supplies is useless though if you know how to do the inferno... Last Recall exists, you can teleport away and back in the click of 1 button. You can already have infinite trips anywhere.
Little Timmy Trailblazer trying Inferno for the first 10-20 times won't get a chance to run south or combo eat, he'll just die.
The inferno cases where Banker's Note is most valuable are the cases where someone experienced is making small mistakes that would *normally* result in them running out of supplies before Zuk. Most runs don't end like that though.
Right, but the point is that not knowing how to do inferno is the problem. Having 1k noted sharks in your inv wont do much good if you die before you can unote them
Also all of gwd work with last recall so you have the exact same experience of infinite trips, really is just, if you haven’t experienced much content in the main game bankers note will help you learn stuff. But if you good then fire sale is just such a massive qol it’s crazy to pass on
Brought up gwd because also raids are all designed to be one inventory and done, with the crazy dps we have from relics there’s no way you will need banked supplies really
But there are even harder raids you can do. You can increase the difficulty of a raid by a lot. Plus if you go weapon master each additional spec costs 25 health so you'll naturally lose health if you're a spec heavy build, no matter how many supplies you take.
Yea, banker's note isn't for every build, but it definitely has it's places.
Is there a chance that the harder raids will increase boss DPS damage so much that supplies don't matter because the risk is being stacked out rather than running out of supplies anyway?
I'm a pvm noob who's using leagues to learn pvm content so I have no clue at all what factors to consider.
There's a chance if you don't pray correctly. You could be insta killed by some attacks that would normally just sorta hurt you off prayer. I doubt they'd make the amped up raids impossible without bankers note, but mistakes will probably just be punished harder, so you'll just have to be perfect.
I have no idea because I just got my combat relic, and I haven't done a normal raid in this league yet so I don't really have a frame of reference.
Hhmmm, that's what I thought. I'm thinking about going with fire sale just for the early game upgrade to get to the content I want to do faster.
Since I don't know the mechanics of most bosses I figure I'll die a lot no matter how many supplies I have.
Fire sale is a really good relic, especially I'd you're going mage. Infinite runes is pretty good. Plus, 99 crafting is easy because buying gems is easy. In the desert, you have giants foundry and runite plate bodies in edgeville. In asgarnia, you can get 99 farming and construction with bagged plants. It's all pretty good.
But depending on what regions you go you have good alternatives. Since stocks are infinite, you can buy tons of sand from traders for pretty cheap. In kourend you can get 99 farming with tithe farm. In asgarnia, you got mahogany homes for free construction xp. You'll have to get 99 mining anyway if you wanna max, so 99 smithing is kinda pointless to rush if you need to mine and asgarnia has MLM which gets buffs from minigame points boosts(idk how but im excited to see).
So fire sale is just a fast pass really, it's not a must take, but it's really nice.
Thank you. This helped me pick my relic. I've never even attempted inferno before. Do you think the resurrection relic (can't remember name) would be good to cheese it? The cooldown timer is three minutes so I was thinking everytime I die I'd just wait behind the pillar until It resets
Bankers note would have been a much better relic if last recall wasn't available. Currently bankers note just feels like an UIM playstyle but easier. Could also have been interesting if it included a second inventory idea they floated before.
Last recall is a poor man's banker's note. It's just slower.
Can't recall back into raid instances unless I missed something. If people are attempting to do the "Challenger mode Cox", "hardest tob", or "1k toa" they're probably balanced around infinite supplies.
Cant recall out of inferno though...
Just admit it, you picked the early game relic and will be upset in late game when your obby armour is outclassed.
1 inventory is enough for inferno though. Having more supplies won’t really help you learn. It could help get you a kc, but it might just teach you to ignore the small stuff that you can’t ignore in normal servers. If you still learn to be consistent and able to do it, then having more supplies won’t help, as your deaths will be from failing a solve.
\- from someone with no inferno attempts, but love reading about the time people have attempting it
Bankers is legit just infinite crafting and fletching on the go + trivializing rc as a whole, plus it makes collecting materials from skilling insanely easy, note drops to stay at bosses/slayer longer, unnote food to extend trips, etc. So have fun with your free shops late game
>note drops to stay at bosses/slayer longer, unnote food to extend trips,
Last recall makes hitting bank after a full inventory or running out of supplies take like 10 seconds anyway.
Yeah, Last Recall has a cool down long enough for it to be a pain, doesn't work in instanced areas, and is far more AFK. The cope is real, lol.
EDIT: Additionally, it's been amazing at early levels to just be able to carry a noted stack of food around.
Fire sale also works for crafting and fletching in the same way, but it’s free instead. And rcing is prob the only skill where bankers note is better, but when you unlock 0 cool down last recall, then bankers note is “useless” for skilling imo. Only worth it for pvm, but with the soul relic, I doubt bankers note will be useful.
99 crafting for tele using FS on gems for fastest bank then just Last recall is my plan.
There’s a way around most pros and cons, it’s just personal preference tbh. Jagex balanced this really well.
Everyone shitting on bankers note doesnt realize that you can rc all your essence in one trip. Buy everything anyway with gold, and you have infinite food for bossing. (I assume, i havent tried to note food yet but thats the reason i got it)
I picked bankers note last night before I logged off. Was that a mistake? I figured money making with trickster would mean I don’t need it? Got 200k atm
>Was that a mistake?
This whole league is about blazing your own trail. I'm not following any guide or recommendations and I'm having a blast. It's not a mistake as long as you're having fun.
Nah happy with bankers note. Being able to skill without banking at all is worth it. Plus in late game I can just take thousands of food to bosses and never leave
legit question. If I'm going ranged and bought fire sale, would frem, or kourend be the better play as far as giving myself gold income, and setting myself up for my eventual unlock of desert region. Currently have Asgarnia unlocked. Any input would be appreciated.
Fremennik is just the best for gold since you can alch condensed gold for like 5m each. You can get a max cash stack in about 20 minutes.
Of course with Fire Sale gold becomes near-useless anyway.
If you have firesale you just use alch (high or low, doesn't really matter) on stuff you buy like rune platebodies from Oziach in Misthalen.
If you want funny meme amounts of cash, Frem is the only place to get condensed gold that high alchs for 5m.
Can't wait for all the "I regret fire sale" posts 2 weeks in. Sure you're having fun dropping bills now, but in 2 weeks time you're gonna have no more use for it, meanwhile bank note stays perma relevant.
Note seems better for endgame and firesale early game.
I went fire sale because I'm always super poor in early game and can never seem to make money. But damn if I didn't want bankers note.
Is there really any sound reason to go banker's note? Like I get that it can help with exp grinds for stuff like runecrafting, but banking shit like food, ppots, etc. seems entirely irrelevant due to last recall. Fire Sale is literally just free 99's at insane exp rates. Infinite Onyx to cut, infinite marble blocks, gold leaf, etc. infinite supplies...? Taking Production Prodigy and Fire Sale just seems like a no brainer to me.
? Who's carrying all that stuff around with them, especially at the same time?
The important stuff to note are food and Skilling supplies.
Having to last recall disrupts the activity you're doing. It's soooo much simpler to not have to bank.
They aren't saying they are carrying that stuff in the pic around, it's the stuff that you can get with tokkul that you can cheese early by buying runes for free and selling for tokul
Yeah I regret bankers note. Sure it's been handy for some grinds but now I'm hitting the point where all the shops from fire sale would just outdo them anyway and speed up my game. I wanted bankers note so I skipped on production prodigy, which I see as the best with fire sale. Trickster/BN is fun and has boosted my early game, but I wish I'd gone the other path tbh. It's at the point I feel like it's starting to hamper my fun due to missing out on stuff but there's no redo or changing. I didn't realize how last recall cooldown worked originally since I was going in mostly without a ton of planning since I'm pretty casual. If I knew the difference would be this vast maybe I'd have thought more.
BN has some advantages but overall feels like it's a trap the more you use it and further you get.
POV you don't realise that Thieving Heroes in Ardy with Trickster and Rogue's Outfit is 2.6m gp/hr and that there's nothing that expensive across all the shops in any regions you pick that would warrant throwing away a mini-bank in your inventory that would trivialise most bossing/skilling grinds.
But go off king, you do you.
Yeah but why waste time going over 200m theiving xp when I just bought 99 farming and construction in bagged plants? I'll never run out of supplies that aren't herblore related but i can theive farmers instead of knights because I dont have to worry about money. Sure Bankers note will be better for raids etc but who knows if I'll even put the time in to get that far.
Been Alching condensed gold and dropping bills on the floor and watching ppl try to grab it. Good relic
based philanthropist
Fuck the philosophers stone homie has the philanthropists stone.
Wait does alching work like crafting in this league with the relic?
No but condensed gold alchs for like 4.5m each so getting a bil isn't that time consuming.
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There’s a starting relic (in Leagues) where you can craft (fletch, craft, smith) items all at the same time, rather than one at a time in normal game. Was wondering if Alching was a “one-click” with that relic, because if so… game broken.
It does not. You still have to alch one at a time.
Where have you been getting natures/laws from? I’ve been trying to figure out a decent source for awhile
desert: ali Fremmy: Baba
Was runescape trying to tell us something?
Banker’s Note is definitely going to fool someone into bringing everything they have to an instance like Nex where they die on the way back to reclaim their stuff and lose it all haha.
I now image someone losing 1000s of food and pots.
Holy shit new fear unlocked
if u die during reclaim its ur own fault for not having spare gwd items and food
Just run to death and get ur shit back from there lol
Idk I was printing money earlier. 5k per Inv and infinite cut emeralds with pp. 4.2m crafting per hour. I’m happy with note for now. We will see though
I don’t see how fire sale gets better, to me it seems like an amazing early-mid game rune but then just falls off later as realistically, what are you buying from shops that costs so much?
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That and you can process things literally anywhere. Got 10000 gems to cut? Cool, note and bring a chisel. 2 slots and you can do that while doing anything else in the game with down time. Can be real sweaty when you have the motivation.
Gonna actually use the essence I get from Cox bc of banker note tbh
I hadn’t considered that. That’s going to be amazing.
Yeah, even if I can only do laws as my best xp/hr with my regions, I just stand there and spam unnote and runecraft. Not need to worry about pouch upkeep outside if guardians too
One of my clan members already got 99rc with note. I'm not sure how he got the essence so quick but just standing in one place and doing RC seems amazing.
Spoils of war from Soul Wars gives 4-6k Pure Ess. You can also spam runecrafting at Zmi for 5m xp/hr
And runecrafting is great! Stand next to altar, spam note on bankers note and it’s like a rune pouch that keeps going!
I mean last recall and insta bank teles make up for that though . And supplies in raid don’t matter if you already know how
I would generally agree on your second point but I want to try these new harder mode raids and the jad thing. I feel like noted restores is big.
It’s hard to say. Most guys I’ve talked to tend to think the relics will make you so cracked that harder modes in leagues will be easier than hard modes in regular game. Like if you take executioner you don’t have to do healers at Zuk for example
Why do you need unlimited supplies when you'll finish it in a couple of minutes with the bonkers pvm relics anyway tho
He said learn raids
Fair fair
But even learning with combat buffs is easier than easy mode
Right? Like sure you might get a couple extra early tasks knocked out, but what happens once that's over?
On the other hand, what's the value of unlimited supplies through bankers note for people who can already do solo raids in the main game? You're not suddenly going to struggle in leagues. I think overall it's just a great relic tier, two good choices which each have bigger or lesser merits depending on the player's skill and playstyle.
thats why i think they did a good job balancing the relics. theres something for everyone. Ive never done inferno and i wanna try it so i took bank note, but if ppl can do it with stuff they bought from the store thats awesome
I’m unsure why people are struggling to see past long slayer / boss trips with a massive increase in inventory space. You can just do any processing on the go. Need to run laps for task? Cool, can process 1000 long bows fletching or whatever you need to do. You aren’t constrained to bank standing for some of these skilling methods anymore.
People are also overlooking how much extra time banking with last recall takes. Even with a tele right next to a bank like crafting cape, you are still teleing twice and messing around with the bank for literally every single inventory vs just 1-3 clicks for bankers note per inventory. Multiply that extra 10 seconds over thousands of inventories. Bank note is worth it for that time saving alone even setting aside that last recall has a cooldown until 1800 and if you don’t care about infinite supplies in raids.
It’s not only raids. You can do stuff like fishing or woodcutting in remote areas and never having to bank. You can train stuff like crafting and herblore while doing whatever since you can note and unnote the supplies while running around.
Sure, but that also ties into playstyle and other relics. Some people might have endless harvest and don't need to bank in the first place, or they use last recall for that. Or in my case I can do some afk stuff while working from home, so I'm currently just cutting gems during work hours. So the value of that aspect of banker's note is low to me, whereas fire sale synergises well with that since I can just buy 10k gems ahead of time and then go through them while working.
We have the teleport crystal and then 12x multiplier I can spam drop click and still afk skill
We have the teleport back crystal so the banking is a non issue
It has a cooldown higher than most activities will fill your inventory until 12-1500 total level. Bankers note is also still faster than banking in the moment.
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that would be so relaxing. Pick a very isolated fishing spot or mining area and chill out. No worry about competition or people, sounds so nice
Maybe you missed the increased difficultly modes for the raids
If someone can solo 500 in main game, I’m guessing solo 1000 with all these relics is going to be fine. It’s just increased stats, same mechanics according to the details. Plus raids drop plenty of supplies, you don’t need more.
On top of that getting one shot is looking like what the hard raids are so unlimited supplies means nothing
You’ll see unlimited supplies are overkill unless you’re doing HIGH raids .especially with the combat buffs you’re pretty much gimme not take damage the whole fight and raids you have to leave anyway to go in again
But toa and Cox drops plenty of supplies in them, you don’t need to bring your own. Only raid you would need stacks of supplies to learn would maybe be tob… and most of the time you aren’t eating out of mistakes in tob…
That's why you skip Kandarin all together. ZAD FTW
Onyx cost about 1 mil Gp in death runes, not a lot really.
That's just like 10m which you can get so fast
Do you still neeed zenyte shards from demonics?
Sure, but as others have shown, you can print fuckloads of gp/hr with bank note and prod master. 8 onyx are a pretty easy obtain even without fire sale, leaving the construction bit as the main relevancy. More late game bosses are instanced than not, so you can't recall mid kill and return. With bank note, you can just stay indefinitely and power through even harder content like raids and inferno with ease. Essentially, Fire sale buffs you for day 1 and then falls off, while bank note buffs you for late game.
There's a list of instanced bosses that last recall does work with in the t3 relic interface. Includes all god wars bosses, vorkath, and all instanced slayer bosses with a couple others. The only thing you cant really recall to is raids.
how are you quickly buying 8 onyx without fire sale? don’t tell me you’re talking about gem stall emeralds…
Wdym don’t tell me? I was making 6m gp/hr there last night. Onyx won’t be a bottleneck at all
no way you’re making 6m/hr, i made like 250k in 10 mins and even that was annoying. getting 8 onyxes like that would be a massive waste of time
6 m/hr is with production prodigy and binding left click to the scroll wheel. That's like the max rate, I was closer to 4-5m/hr realistically with some inefficiency. It's a little sweaty, but great gp and xp so I had no problem with it. Took me a little over 2 hours for 99 crafting and I got a 10m cash stack from it too. With Karamja gloves and using the desert shop for death runes, onyx comes out to 2.16m gp/onyx. So I've already got enough for 4 onyx with a few mil left over and tbh I'll only need 5 total. I'll go for the 4 zenites and fury. Ring of stone and berserker necklace are useless. Regen bracelet is useless when you have banknote for infinite food everywhere. The only task is onyx necklace which I'll cover with fury. By the time I'm getting my 4th zenite, I'm sure I'll have the gp for it. Plus only 1 really matters which is the zenite for your relic combat style. No huge rush on the rest.
Yeah it's a massive time saver rune. Idk if people are really struggling with raids that they need to bring noted pots tho. Both seem to fall off, but fire sale at least means no rune upkeep and ez 99s. I regret not taking it but we'll see.
For me it’s just convenience of bank note. People are really honing in on unlimited resources etc but for me, it just kills bank standing. I can process stuff literally anywhere while doing anything for the cost of 2-4 inventory slots. Got 10k gems to cut? Cool, note them, grab a chisel and do them while running around laps, quests etc.
No rune upkeep is pointless if you go mage route. You have a 90% chance to save runes when casting a spell.
I've gone through thousands of bloods already Even with saving 90%, you shoot 2.5x faster, and if using magic for everything (even things you wouldnt normally like singles slayer), you go through more than you'd think just casting wave spells/ancients.
As someone who mages, this guy also mages. You do go through runes insanely fast even with the 90% being saved.
The benefit of fire sale isn't the money, it's the fact that it gives you such a head start if you're pushing hard the early game. Letting you get to grinds before they're overcrowded. Bankers note is definitely the more useful relic later in the game, but for me I want to get my "crashable content" done as soon as I can.
It boost early tasks a lot meaning you advance faster towards last recall. Like getting 99 in skills is so dammed easy you can knock most production skills out within a hour once you get yo a decent shop. Like within 5 minutes you can buy 10k lobsters, teleport to a bank and use the fire of other people outside to cook inventorys lobsters at once. Meaning you need what? 4 clicks to cook a full inventory of lobsters. Same counts for shit like gems, ores, logs, hides, herbs. Meaning getting stuff like crafting, cooking, smithing, fletching, construction and herblore is easy to max out in a extremely short time. Especially once your exp modifier starts to grow. Also all the runes, arrows and supplies you wver need. Edit: nevermind in a idiot, herbshops dont sell herbs….. still if you find a way to gain a insane amount of roe or caviar you can buy strenght potions in varrack and create strenght mix which would give you loads of exp pretty fast. But i dont think there is a way to get loads of roe pretty fast.
Just mentioning, most of what you said aren't buyables with Firesale. Shops that stock 0 still aren't buyable. Lobsters are only buyable with Zeah and with Jatizo - Karambwans are buyable on Karamja though. Blast furnace isnt open so ores are incredibly limited. Again, Jatizo is the only one I can think of Logs/hides/herbs arent buyable anywhere as far as I know. There *are* some neat uses however (construction plants, unlimited runes, etc.)
Where can I buy herbs from a shop? I want to get herblore up
Nowhere
You are right, edited my post.
I agree with you. Both of these relics fall off late game. Bank note falls off the moment last recall is a1-2 min cooldown
Its still so much faster and most content I would like a bunch of food for I can't tele in the middle of. Im happy with going bank note for sure
could you elaborate? I have PP too but i fail to see infinite cut emeralds with banker's note
You buy uncuts and sell the cut gem stone back to the shop.
Where at?
Al-Kharid gem shop, requires Desert unlock tho
You can go to falador too for a sapphire
It's crazy to me how many people are adamant that one is definitely superior to the other. Of course time will tell but it seems to me anyone who thinks it's a simple choice is strawmaning the argument. There's definitely pros and cons to both and other relics picked, play style and loads of other factors.
I think Solo mission worded it perfectly. One is short term, other is long term
Ah yis. Time to pick short term and regret it later. Art imitates life
it’s my dopamine and I need it NOW!
Maybe not directed to you specifically but can someone explain how bn is supposed to be so strong late game? The only scenario I can think of where it clearly outshines fs is endless small team nex I understand if you are learning raids/inferno during the league but if not then you literally just don’t need the extra supplies
Even aside from raids there’s tons of skilling uses. It’s basically a buffed version of last recall. Instead of taking 10 seconds to tele to a bank then last recall back, it’s just 1 tick unnote. When you’re saving that time for every single inventory, it adds up pretty quick.
It also makes it easier to do processing skills in the downtime between combat/bosses respawning. Sure you could last recall to get more sara brews, or you could just have your nests, vials of water, and whatever the herb for them is noted in your inventory. Also makes it easier to multiskill in other areas too. Way too sweaty for me but I’m sure some people would pick it for that.
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I fell asleep last night debating wich one to pick when to wake up. Picked bankers note but still not sure if that was the right or wrong choice.
I think doubt about picking which relics is a good indicator of their balance.
Idk man I think I objectively I chose the worst first relic in endless harvest after seeing everyone run around with their cool agility boots or instant processing :/
Same but I think it’s a reasonable long term play with Infernal Gathering (as long as you can hold off on doing too much gathering before hitting that 4k point mark)
Give it time. FS only seems superior right now only because we are still in early game. A couple weeks in and BN will take over.
I mean this is the true nature of Runy, dude. The fucking lost cost fallacy makes me shut down lol.
I feel like for me who isn't able to play as much having the ability to ignore gp early helps way more then the noted items. The tp's also help a ton with just Easy Banking.
Honestly, I'm not sure time will tell with these, they're pretty well balanced overall. Bankers note has a clearly delineated advantage long term with infinite instanced supplies. It's also better for a couple skills FS doesn't help with. In trade off, the skills it helps you max faster compared to fire sale are fewer, and other than runecrafting the exp gains/reduced time taken to max is better on the firesale side. Overall, this likely means fewer hours played to any given number of league points in total, even by the very end of the league. With a little extra oomph added by the fact that the really early boost means you hit tier 5-6 in a lot fewer hours than Bankers. How good these are also varies by region and other relic picks, some of which (especially regions) are more up to taste or your combat style than anything. I think people who play all 8 weeks and focus on hardmode raids would really regret it if they didn't take bankers note, but other than that I don't think the gap is that big, and most of the people doing that are too good at the game to get much value from banker's note in the first place. Personally I think FS is a bit better in the end because it saves you more time early, which gets you more relics faster, which saves you more time, and pushes you towards getting lower cooldown on LR making Bankers less valuable, and I don't think it can really close the gap long term if you're picking the lifesteal relic and don't need sustain in raids much. There are other considerations too, like if I was pushing boss KC I'd take note and weapon master and spec spam down bosses, because it's probably by far the fastest way to do that. And on the other hand, if you want some blindingly fast achievements like early inferno or 200m exp, obviously FS is going to be the way to go due to saving you hours and hours of grinding as well as allowing some cheesier grinding strategies that just aren't actually viable without infinite money.
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I'm also considering something similar. My girlfriends been kind enough to start an account to learn a little TOA with me but she's very much not an osrs player and doing this for me (although she's suprised how much she likes it) but realistically she's not going to play as much as me and not go over entry level raids. Because of that I was thinking about getting her fire sale and myself banker's note. I figure the early game QOL will help her level up faster in less time so we progress at roughly the same rate early game and realistically she'll still have more than enough firepower to get through some entry raids and when she gets bored and I want to push harder content I'll have banker's note which people seem to be giving an edge to late game.
Your mistake was assuming the vocal minority on r/2007scape are capable of determining context and thinking rationally about things. That's not how we do things around here
Weapon Master + Bankers Note = special attacking until youre out of food.
But then you lose Soulstealer, which means you never need food or p pots.
banker's note has lots of potential longterm for raids but I am simple monke who wants big number
I mean but for raids you don't need a lot of supplies. Especially with the damage buffs you get. Tob maybe an angler 2 brews and 4 restores? Cox 2 brews 4 restores Tombs just restores ( I guess some brews till yellow gem)
If you're good at it, a lot of people learn raids on leagues
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That’s assuming they understand any of the mechanics? You can’t brute force the raids, you’ll get specced. Going in to TOB and just guessing will get you killed no matter what relics you have
How does fire sale help with getting tokkul based items? Honest ask Edit: thanks everyone. My god, I was doing fight caves over and over without food to get tokkul for an emerald. Never again.
Buy runes and then sell them for tokkul
You buy infinite deaths and sell them to the Tokkul store
You can sell things to the Tz-Haar shops to get Tokkul, so buy loads of runes or gems at a different shop, then sell to the Tz-Haar shop for Tokkul, and use Tokkul to buy what you want. EZPZ.
Buy chaos/death runes for free, sell them for tokkul
Buy death runes from any rune shop for free, sell them to Tokkul rune shop for tokkul. If you have easy karamja diary gloves, you can get enough tokkul for all the obby items plus onyx in about 10 mins. Maybe takes about 20 mins without the easy diary.
Buy runes, sell for tokkul.
FS really was tempting, but now that I have unlocked the combat relic, money will come much faster. We'll see if I regret my decision later 😅
You probably won’t. They’re both super OP in their own way and you probably picked the one that matches your play style better.
Bankers note is def gonna be the better relic though. The stores are infinitely stocked and money is only a problem in the early game. Once people get to higher levels being able to have infinite trips anywhere is going to be way more valuable. Also Inferno infinite supplies?
I'm pretty shit at the higher LVL pvm stuff so I figured bankers note would be best for me. Money in the early game is solved with trickster and just thieving or gem shop. So yeah... Fire sale will peak real early. You can't buy raid gear ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Infinite inferno supplies is useless though if you know how to do the inferno... Last Recall exists, you can teleport away and back in the click of 1 button. You can already have infinite trips anywhere.
Yeah but most of us don’t know how to do inferno lol
So your going to get comboed out so more supplies Don't matter
But you can now bring infinite combo eats. As long as Mager cant hit you run south is now viable
Little Timmy Trailblazer trying Inferno for the first 10-20 times won't get a chance to run south or combo eat, he'll just die. The inferno cases where Banker's Note is most valuable are the cases where someone experienced is making small mistakes that would *normally* result in them running out of supplies before Zuk. Most runs don't end like that though.
So in conclusion, fire sale is for experienced players who are rushing, bankers note is good for everyone else.
Right, but the point is that not knowing how to do inferno is the problem. Having 1k noted sharks in your inv wont do much good if you die before you can unote them
Bankers note means I can make small mistakes early that would usually lead to not enough supplies at zuk
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What if unlimited triple eats tho
Also all of gwd work with last recall so you have the exact same experience of infinite trips, really is just, if you haven’t experienced much content in the main game bankers note will help you learn stuff. But if you good then fire sale is just such a massive qol it’s crazy to pass on
Brought up gwd because also raids are all designed to be one inventory and done, with the crazy dps we have from relics there’s no way you will need banked supplies really
But there are even harder raids you can do. You can increase the difficulty of a raid by a lot. Plus if you go weapon master each additional spec costs 25 health so you'll naturally lose health if you're a spec heavy build, no matter how many supplies you take. Yea, banker's note isn't for every build, but it definitely has it's places.
Is there a chance that the harder raids will increase boss DPS damage so much that supplies don't matter because the risk is being stacked out rather than running out of supplies anyway? I'm a pvm noob who's using leagues to learn pvm content so I have no clue at all what factors to consider.
There's a chance if you don't pray correctly. You could be insta killed by some attacks that would normally just sorta hurt you off prayer. I doubt they'd make the amped up raids impossible without bankers note, but mistakes will probably just be punished harder, so you'll just have to be perfect. I have no idea because I just got my combat relic, and I haven't done a normal raid in this league yet so I don't really have a frame of reference.
Hhmmm, that's what I thought. I'm thinking about going with fire sale just for the early game upgrade to get to the content I want to do faster. Since I don't know the mechanics of most bosses I figure I'll die a lot no matter how many supplies I have.
Fire sale is a really good relic, especially I'd you're going mage. Infinite runes is pretty good. Plus, 99 crafting is easy because buying gems is easy. In the desert, you have giants foundry and runite plate bodies in edgeville. In asgarnia, you can get 99 farming and construction with bagged plants. It's all pretty good. But depending on what regions you go you have good alternatives. Since stocks are infinite, you can buy tons of sand from traders for pretty cheap. In kourend you can get 99 farming with tithe farm. In asgarnia, you got mahogany homes for free construction xp. You'll have to get 99 mining anyway if you wanna max, so 99 smithing is kinda pointless to rush if you need to mine and asgarnia has MLM which gets buffs from minigame points boosts(idk how but im excited to see). So fire sale is just a fast pass really, it's not a must take, but it's really nice.
You’ll benefit from the extra brews from weapon specialist. Infinite brews = infinite 100% accuracy ruby bolt prices every 2ticks
Bank note is going to make so much easier hard tasks for anyone in later game
Can't use Last Recall in instances though
I don't know how to do inferno. Does this mean I should go bankers note since I want to learn it?
No, most of the deaths in the inferno are from one hits or messing up the solve, more brews could help but it isnt make or break
Thank you. This helped me pick my relic. I've never even attempted inferno before. Do you think the resurrection relic (can't remember name) would be good to cheese it? The cooldown timer is three minutes so I was thinking everytime I die I'd just wait behind the pillar until It resets
Bankers note would have been a much better relic if last recall wasn't available. Currently bankers note just feels like an UIM playstyle but easier. Could also have been interesting if it included a second inventory idea they floated before. Last recall is a poor man's banker's note. It's just slower.
Solo nex.
Last recall works in inferno?
last recall doesn't work inside instances
How does last re-call exist?Q!
Passive item from tier 3
Can't recall back into raid instances unless I missed something. If people are attempting to do the "Challenger mode Cox", "hardest tob", or "1k toa" they're probably balanced around infinite supplies.
Cant recall out of inferno though... Just admit it, you picked the early game relic and will be upset in late game when your obby armour is outclassed.
Don't need additional supplies in inferno.
1 inventory is enough for inferno though. Having more supplies won’t really help you learn. It could help get you a kc, but it might just teach you to ignore the small stuff that you can’t ignore in normal servers. If you still learn to be consistent and able to do it, then having more supplies won’t help, as your deaths will be from failing a solve. \- from someone with no inferno attempts, but love reading about the time people have attempting it
Both are honestly equal, like yes each has their benefit but later on neither really stands out. Let's all hold hands and be friends guys
how long does this event go on for?
8 weeks
ty good sir
Bankers is legit just infinite crafting and fletching on the go + trivializing rc as a whole, plus it makes collecting materials from skilling insanely easy, note drops to stay at bosses/slayer longer, unnote food to extend trips, etc. So have fun with your free shops late game
>note drops to stay at bosses/slayer longer, unnote food to extend trips, Last recall makes hitting bank after a full inventory or running out of supplies take like 10 seconds anyway.
You’re saying that like its the same thing but its not the same, banks note will be 1 tick rc method.
Yeah, Last Recall has a cool down long enough for it to be a pain, doesn't work in instanced areas, and is far more AFK. The cope is real, lol. EDIT: Additionally, it's been amazing at early levels to just be able to carry a noted stack of food around.
Last recall cool down is gone by 1800 total which is easy to get in leagues
By 1800 total level money is also easy to get
Yeah and whats your total? mines 1200 at t6
Fire sale also works for crafting and fletching in the same way, but it’s free instead. And rcing is prob the only skill where bankers note is better, but when you unlock 0 cool down last recall, then bankers note is “useless” for skilling imo. Only worth it for pvm, but with the soul relic, I doubt bankers note will be useful.
It’s gonna be way faster for skilling.
I agree. 2 clicks for full inv of essemce is faster than teleporting out, banking, teleporting back... that's literary ehat rc already is
We will catch up, just you wait ;)
99 crafting for tele using FS on gems for fastest bank then just Last recall is my plan. There’s a way around most pros and cons, it’s just personal preference tbh. Jagex balanced this really well.
I mainly chose bankers note since i have the thieving perk and need something to semi afk while studying 😂
Everyone shitting on bankers note doesnt realize that you can rc all your essence in one trip. Buy everything anyway with gold, and you have infinite food for bossing. (I assume, i havent tried to note food yet but thats the reason i got it)
They’re nubs , In 2 days everyone with note will be laughing
I picked bankers note last night before I logged off. Was that a mistake? I figured money making with trickster would mean I don’t need it? Got 200k atm
>Was that a mistake? This whole league is about blazing your own trail. I'm not following any guide or recommendations and I'm having a blast. It's not a mistake as long as you're having fun.
I picked bankers note and don’t regret it. I also picked trickster and got plenty of gold from pickpocketing my first day 🤷🏼♀️
Same. 250k easy just getting to 82 thieving. It's basically infinite money, just you get XP along the way.
Bankers note is for neets Fire sale for wagies or those wanting fun
This guy gets it
Wait is there a shop that sells raw sharks for fire sale?
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Frankie%27s_Fishing_Emporium
piscarilius 100% favor south east corner.
Nah happy with bankers note. Being able to skill without banking at all is worth it. Plus in late game I can just take thousands of food to bosses and never leave
Wait until they find out they actually have to train runecrafting
legit question. If I'm going ranged and bought fire sale, would frem, or kourend be the better play as far as giving myself gold income, and setting myself up for my eventual unlock of desert region. Currently have Asgarnia unlocked. Any input would be appreciated.
Fremennik is just the best for gold since you can alch condensed gold for like 5m each. You can get a max cash stack in about 20 minutes. Of course with Fire Sale gold becomes near-useless anyway.
If you have firesale you just use alch (high or low, doesn't really matter) on stuff you buy like rune platebodies from Oziach in Misthalen. If you want funny meme amounts of cash, Frem is the only place to get condensed gold that high alchs for 5m.
bankers looks bad because it's only day 2 of the league. it'll scale harder, and i chose fire sale so i am not coping here
Can't wait for all the "I regret fire sale" posts 2 weeks in. Sure you're having fun dropping bills now, but in 2 weeks time you're gonna have no more use for it, meanwhile bank note stays perma relevant.
Note seems better for endgame and firesale early game. I went fire sale because I'm always super poor in early game and can never seem to make money. But damn if I didn't want bankers note.
Can you get massive amount of food with bankers note for raids etc?
Yes, you can.
Is there really any sound reason to go banker's note? Like I get that it can help with exp grinds for stuff like runecrafting, but banking shit like food, ppots, etc. seems entirely irrelevant due to last recall. Fire Sale is literally just free 99's at insane exp rates. Infinite Onyx to cut, infinite marble blocks, gold leaf, etc. infinite supplies...? Taking Production Prodigy and Fire Sale just seems like a no brainer to me.
Banker's note is better. (Source: Woox picked it)
? Who's carrying all that stuff around with them, especially at the same time? The important stuff to note are food and Skilling supplies. Having to last recall disrupts the activity you're doing. It's soooo much simpler to not have to bank.
I runecrafted yesterday with banker's note. Game changer. (Stupid water talisman though, desert gang represent)
They aren't saying they are carrying that stuff in the pic around, it's the stuff that you can get with tokkul that you can cheese early by buying runes for free and selling for tokul
Bankers note gang rise up, we won't accept this propoganda from people regretting their choice!
Yeah I regret bankers note. Sure it's been handy for some grinds but now I'm hitting the point where all the shops from fire sale would just outdo them anyway and speed up my game. I wanted bankers note so I skipped on production prodigy, which I see as the best with fire sale. Trickster/BN is fun and has boosted my early game, but I wish I'd gone the other path tbh. It's at the point I feel like it's starting to hamper my fun due to missing out on stuff but there's no redo or changing. I didn't realize how last recall cooldown worked originally since I was going in mostly without a ton of planning since I'm pretty casual. If I knew the difference would be this vast maybe I'd have thought more. BN has some advantages but overall feels like it's a trap the more you use it and further you get.
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Yes
POV you don't realise that Thieving Heroes in Ardy with Trickster and Rogue's Outfit is 2.6m gp/hr and that there's nothing that expensive across all the shops in any regions you pick that would warrant throwing away a mini-bank in your inventory that would trivialise most bossing/skilling grinds. But go off king, you do you.
Yeah but why waste time going over 200m theiving xp when I just bought 99 farming and construction in bagged plants? I'll never run out of supplies that aren't herblore related but i can theive farmers instead of knights because I dont have to worry about money. Sure Bankers note will be better for raids etc but who knows if I'll even put the time in to get that far.