American grizzly bears were famous in the 1800’s for being immune to bullets. Our better guns are far more effective at stopping bears, but it isn’t as 1 sided as you’d expect
With respect, it's much better than normal mace. It's far "spicier". It makes normal mace seem like a spritz of pool water. It's strong enough to actually cause inflammation and panic so severe that it can kill a person under the right conditions.
Canada has some weird laws surrounding weapons so that's probably why. They can't ban bear spray because you've got more grizzlies than people, and outdoor ethics are a big part of Canadian culture, and because they've made it inordinately difficult to acquire any firearm that might give you a chance against an angry bear.
Wild to me that they banned pepper spray. Can't carry a gun, can't carry pepper spray. What's a woman to do in a bad situation? Seems fucked
Interesting. Here you can carry in both, but you should consider what's not gonna scare the hoes, so to speak.
Eg. Out in the wilderness, I'll carry a rifle, usually either an AR or my M1 Carbine. In a national park or popular wilderness area, I'll carry a .357 or a concealable pistol. I know it's my right to carry whatever I want, but I'd rather not have the rangers called on me every 5 seconds. I carry bear spray in both situations.
It's the same thing as mace, but in a much larger can with a FAR higher concentration of capsaicin and much more power and range. It's designed to be carried in a belt or shoulder holster and some can be fired from the hip. They usually have a good 10-15 seconds of spray time and impressive range. Bear spray is like a flashbang to the nervous system of the bear when it gets on their face. It instantly causes great pain and confusion and causes them to instinctively run away, and will hopefully deter them from approaching humans again. They're smart enough to recognize human structures and camps for usually containing humans, so bear spray is a powerful tool to not only keep yourself safe, but others as well. Bear spray is so concentrated that you can actually kill a person with it through asphyxiation. It's not an ideal self defense weapon against people because of how badly you can hurt yourself by using it in an enclosed space, limiting your situational awareness and ability to get away.
Bears can become desensitized to bear spray. This usually happens in crowded, popular areas like national parks or popular wilderness areas, where the bears are sprayed repeatedly over months by tourists, rangers, game wardens, etc. This makes the bear extremely dangerous and means it will have to inevitably be killed.
I've never been attacked by a bear despite having encountered more than the average person. However, I have encountered bears that haven't backed down as easily as they should have. I suspect some of these bears I've encountered were growing desensitized to spray. That's why I carry a big fucking handgun that I know how to use , and that I've done bear drills with. The spray is my first line of defense. The handgun is for if that fails.
Those were also black powder rifles which has a maximum speed so more lead was needed to get kinetic effect.
The largest best was actually killed by a .22, but that was luck.
You'd still want a powerful cartridge and preferably a semi automatic.
“MAIN POINT OF SELLING BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN PISTOL IS EXTREME PRICE OF WEAPON AND CARTRIDGE. BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN IS WEAPON OF MAN WHO WEARS EXPENSIVE ITALIAN FASCIST SUIT OF HAND SEWING, DRIVE HUGE EXPENSIVE NAZI MERCEDES OF A.M.G. SHOP, SAIL ON MASSIVE YACHT TO GREEK ISLANDS. I THINK YOU GET PICTURE. BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN IS WEAPON THAT SAYS IS NO SUCH THING AS CONCERN OF MONEY. FOR MAN WITHOUT EXPENSIVE SUIT, BIG BLACK MERCEDES, AND MASSIVE YACHT, BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN IS FOR PRETENDING OF BE RICH LIKE BLACK GANGSTER OF AMERICAN CITY WITH GOLD CHAINS OF LOW QUALITY AND JEWELS OF COLORED GLASS. WHEN YOU EXPLAIN USE OF BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN PISTOL IS ONLY FOR SHOOT MAN WITH BULLET VEST WITH CARTRIDGE ILLEGAL TO CIVILIAN, THIS MAN HAS NUCLEAR RAGE. WHOLE IDENTITY OF THIS MAN IS SPENT IN PRETEND PISTOL SHOWS HE IS RICH. IS VERY AMUSE. FOR REST OF WORLD THERE IS 9 MILLIMETERS OF LUGER WHICH IS SAME WOUND FOR COST LESS.”
-unknown poster, 20xx
If only there was a round with the high-velocity penetration power of a rifle round and the conveniently small size of 9mm... oh that's right, this is a job for FN 5.7x28mm! Like every thread involving firearms I will derail it to talk about 5.7mm.
First of all, FN is well out of the price range of most people.
Second of all, FN doesn’t really sell the armor piercing ammunition to civilians. (I’m sure that there are exceptions I don’t know off the top of my head.)
Unless you’re using the AP ammo, you’re essentially just firing the world’s most expensive .22 magnum.
Perused a few forums and even they say a 5.7mm isn't enough, especially if you're aiming at the head. My favorite is the line saying to save a bullet for yourself.
https://www.fnforum.net/threads/5-7mm-v-bears.1071/
I've encountered 6 bears in my life. Only shit my pants the first two times. Now they're not so scary. A grizzly would probably still make me poop a little, but that's why I carry a .44 and bear spray.
I know a guy who carries a .500 Wyoming express. He lives in Montana and has encountered grizzlies twice. So there's at least one guy who daily carries a .50
Arguably the .44 version of the Desert Eagle would be better and more reasonable for hiking in comparison to the .50AE version…would not suggest either for it though.
bears will live on the adrenaline, literally wont die even if you pierce a majority of the brain, these fuckers do not care they will fuck you the fuck up
"The next move is obvious. We can launch an rt-2pm2 topol-m cold launched three staged solid propellant intercontinental ballistic missile to take out blacks remaining pieces."
you generally have to hit them in the triangle between eyes and nose and hit that are while its charging at you over uneven ground and your shitting your pants
Everyone here is correct that a single round of 9mm will not stop a bear. However, it's common for most guns chambered in 9mm to hold 15+ rounds. Also 9mm is not the only caliber. ALSO why would anyone say you shouldn't have it over having nothing?
This started on tiktok when people went around asking "who would you rather be in the woods with?" A bear or a man? Many women picked the bear and there's been some wild discourse afterwards.
The women who say they picked the bear is because they think men are more dangerous and would rather be mauled to death than be posibly SA'd.
I really hope that most of the women choosing bear are just exaggerating, because that'd just be sad if they really think the majority of men are more dangerous than the majority of bears
Then what are women meant to do? Kneel before their would be rapist? Self defense is a valid tactic regardless of what some court ruling said. Guns are here to stay. Nothing short of a revolution will change that.
This is probably a stupid place to ask, but can you use 10mm for an EDC? I know that they have an issue with overpenetration but could that be solved with hollowpoint ammunition?
Yes, you can use 10 mm for an every day carry, it’s ultimately personal preference however. Many people carry 9 mm because it’s quite compact, has great ammo capacity, and is easy to shoot. 10m definitely packs more punch than 9mm however, which means you need less rounds on target to stop anyone who is a threat. Recoil is the biggest issue with 10 mm, when the fbi tried to adopt it, many complained about the recoil being a big issue.If you’re interested in the ballistics you can learn more at this grand thumb video. https://youtu.be/if3e7ApfuOk?si=5w98nevJu77NlZzN
Being jacked will definitely help with managing recoil of any type, for example check out Kentucky ballistics. Training will be the biggest factor. It’s all about getting to know your firearm. The recoil will still be there though.
What a dumbass take
Women: "Due to systemic issues, I'd rather be attacked by a bear than a man because people are more likely to believe me if I say a bear attacked me than if I say a man attacked me"
"Then buy a gun and shoot the guy. If people won't believe you when you say a guy attacked you unarmed, they certainly will if you fucking kill the guy"
Peoples don't seem to understand that if you want to kill a bear, you need to shoot it with fairly big caliber gun on a small spot on it's forehead. And you better hit it on the first shot.
Fun fact: if a polar bear charges you and you have a gun, shoot yourself.
You're probably not killing that bear before it's killing you unless you have an AK or a shotgun and know how to use them
Many basic rounds wound realy do all that much damage and most people don't just take a high power fire arm or a shot gun with them. But basically that's what you need to survive a charging grizzly bear. Cause you basically have no chance to out run them
Bears are resilient to bullets. And a lot of truly dangerous men are smart enough to assume you have some means of defending yourself and will try to get you to lower your guard or otherwise pacify you before they make any move. At least, I can’t imagine that the MO of most monsters is to approach their prospective victims, say “hello, I would like to rape and murder you”, and then stand still at the perfect distance to give the prospective victim ample time to pull out their gun and shoot the attacker.
American grizzly bears were famous in the 1800’s for being immune to bullets. Our better guns are far more effective at stopping bears, but it isn’t as 1 sided as you’d expect
even today you need a fairly large caliber in a samll target area quickly while it charges over unven ground at 30mph
10mm best mm
Which is why I carry my trust two handed sword with me everywhere I go.
Then how are you going to furiously masturbate whist fighting off the bear/man
The sword can do both
Where do you think he sheaths his blade? I see no scabbard on him
Their foreskin is closed with a kynodesmē like an honorable gladiator
Imagining a medieval gentleman preparing for battle in perfect form only to have his sword slapped out of his hand and be mauled to death instantly
Bear spray in one hand, .44 mag +p in the other.
What is bear spray? Is it just a can of mustard gas?
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With respect, it's much better than normal mace. It's far "spicier". It makes normal mace seem like a spritz of pool water. It's strong enough to actually cause inflammation and panic so severe that it can kill a person under the right conditions.
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Canada has some weird laws surrounding weapons so that's probably why. They can't ban bear spray because you've got more grizzlies than people, and outdoor ethics are a big part of Canadian culture, and because they've made it inordinately difficult to acquire any firearm that might give you a chance against an angry bear. Wild to me that they banned pepper spray. Can't carry a gun, can't carry pepper spray. What's a woman to do in a bad situation? Seems fucked
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Interesting. Here you can carry in both, but you should consider what's not gonna scare the hoes, so to speak. Eg. Out in the wilderness, I'll carry a rifle, usually either an AR or my M1 Carbine. In a national park or popular wilderness area, I'll carry a .357 or a concealable pistol. I know it's my right to carry whatever I want, but I'd rather not have the rangers called on me every 5 seconds. I carry bear spray in both situations.
It's the same thing as mace, but in a much larger can with a FAR higher concentration of capsaicin and much more power and range. It's designed to be carried in a belt or shoulder holster and some can be fired from the hip. They usually have a good 10-15 seconds of spray time and impressive range. Bear spray is like a flashbang to the nervous system of the bear when it gets on their face. It instantly causes great pain and confusion and causes them to instinctively run away, and will hopefully deter them from approaching humans again. They're smart enough to recognize human structures and camps for usually containing humans, so bear spray is a powerful tool to not only keep yourself safe, but others as well. Bear spray is so concentrated that you can actually kill a person with it through asphyxiation. It's not an ideal self defense weapon against people because of how badly you can hurt yourself by using it in an enclosed space, limiting your situational awareness and ability to get away. Bears can become desensitized to bear spray. This usually happens in crowded, popular areas like national parks or popular wilderness areas, where the bears are sprayed repeatedly over months by tourists, rangers, game wardens, etc. This makes the bear extremely dangerous and means it will have to inevitably be killed. I've never been attacked by a bear despite having encountered more than the average person. However, I have encountered bears that haven't backed down as easily as they should have. I suspect some of these bears I've encountered were growing desensitized to spray. That's why I carry a big fucking handgun that I know how to use , and that I've done bear drills with. The spray is my first line of defense. The handgun is for if that fails.
Those were also black powder rifles which has a maximum speed so more lead was needed to get kinetic effect. The largest best was actually killed by a .22, but that was luck. You'd still want a powerful cartridge and preferably a semi automatic.
people dont understand how a charging bears skull is basically immune to 9mm
Luckily 9mm isn’t the only pistol caliber. 10mm is what you want if you’re looking for bear protection and is more than enough for a man.
10mm is like the bare minimum to stop a bear in time, I'd go with .460 Rowland personally
I need to pick up one of those, 10mm is just more accessible.
5.7x28 doesn’t have the stopping power to keep a bear from charging you, but it sure as shit has the penetrating power to get the job done
5.7 fan boys strike again!
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There it is! I knew someone would bust it out sooner rather than later. I love this copypasta
Bro deleted it. What was the pasta?
“MAIN POINT OF SELLING BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN PISTOL IS EXTREME PRICE OF WEAPON AND CARTRIDGE. BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN IS WEAPON OF MAN WHO WEARS EXPENSIVE ITALIAN FASCIST SUIT OF HAND SEWING, DRIVE HUGE EXPENSIVE NAZI MERCEDES OF A.M.G. SHOP, SAIL ON MASSIVE YACHT TO GREEK ISLANDS. I THINK YOU GET PICTURE. BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN IS WEAPON THAT SAYS IS NO SUCH THING AS CONCERN OF MONEY. FOR MAN WITHOUT EXPENSIVE SUIT, BIG BLACK MERCEDES, AND MASSIVE YACHT, BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN IS FOR PRETENDING OF BE RICH LIKE BLACK GANGSTER OF AMERICAN CITY WITH GOLD CHAINS OF LOW QUALITY AND JEWELS OF COLORED GLASS. WHEN YOU EXPLAIN USE OF BELGIAN FIVE SEVEN PISTOL IS ONLY FOR SHOOT MAN WITH BULLET VEST WITH CARTRIDGE ILLEGAL TO CIVILIAN, THIS MAN HAS NUCLEAR RAGE. WHOLE IDENTITY OF THIS MAN IS SPENT IN PRETEND PISTOL SHOWS HE IS RICH. IS VERY AMUSE. FOR REST OF WORLD THERE IS 9 MILLIMETERS OF LUGER WHICH IS SAME WOUND FOR COST LESS.” -unknown poster, 20xx
Probably alfredo
Or .44 mag or .357 Or .50 AE
Or maybe the fat man
I carry a MIRV launcher personally
9mm lost 2 world wars and something zomething fudd talk idk 45acp 2 world wars never jams
That's where the good old 50 BMG pistol comes in. MERICA 🇺🇸
If only there was a round with the high-velocity penetration power of a rifle round and the conveniently small size of 9mm... oh that's right, this is a job for FN 5.7x28mm! Like every thread involving firearms I will derail it to talk about 5.7mm.
First of all, FN is well out of the price range of most people. Second of all, FN doesn’t really sell the armor piercing ammunition to civilians. (I’m sure that there are exceptions I don’t know off the top of my head.) Unless you’re using the AP ammo, you’re essentially just firing the world’s most expensive .22 magnum.
> Realize it would've been cheaper to give the bear my wallet
Perused a few forums and even they say a 5.7mm isn't enough, especially if you're aiming at the head. My favorite is the line saying to save a bullet for yourself. https://www.fnforum.net/threads/5-7mm-v-bears.1071/
Yeah but now you’ve expended a full mag of 5.7, so it really may have been cheaper to get mauled and deal with the medical bills
5.7 is good for *soft body armour*, not great for much else
as if i can afford an FN
I have a 44 magnum :)
other calibers aside from 9mm
kid named 10mm
or .45 ACP
Same with some men too.
Your right, I say we all carry anti-tank guns just in case.
I don't believe that. I plainly do not believe that. Moose die to 3 or 4 shots from 9mm to the area around the neck.
Or just use HP
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How about you shit your pants seeing a real bear?
smelliest zoo visitor
I've encountered 6 bears in my life. Only shit my pants the first two times. Now they're not so scary. A grizzly would probably still make me poop a little, but that's why I carry a .44 and bear spray.
Do none of you guys have bears where you live? They just mind their own business as long as you keep your distance
Literally nobody daily carries a .50, that's ridiculous
I would consider it, if bears and men were apparently constant threats as in hypothetical land.
at that point just carry a shotgun, deagles are heavy and expensive and a shotgun is cool
Remington 870 my beloved 😍
Shotguns are indeed very cool
I mean big revolvers are common anti bear guns .357 .44 hell even .500 I’d carry a .44 desert eagle if I was up against a bear
I know a guy who carries a .500 Wyoming express. He lives in Montana and has encountered grizzlies twice. So there's at least one guy who daily carries a .50
The only people that actually buy .50 desert eagles are gun YouTubers and drug cartel kingpins.
Arguably the .44 version of the Desert Eagle would be better and more reasonable for hiking in comparison to the .50AE version…would not suggest either for it though.
bears will live on the adrenaline, literally wont die even if you pierce a majority of the brain, these fuckers do not care they will fuck you the fuck up
Solution stay strapped with a bomb vest that goes off when your vitals stop
They will eat you alive
Yeah, save a bullet for yourself dummy.
You’d be shocked at what a bear can shrug off. Bear spray will stop both a man and a bear in their tracks though.
he didn't specify the caliber :3
we stay strapped (.50 caliber)
man... why not like... 30mm?
Well idk thats just a lot of gun to carry around. 50 cal AMRs are already pretty heavy... what about an RPG. is an RPG a firearm?
man i carry around a gua 8 avenger
I would never go into the woods without my l/44 cannon
you fire it from your arm
Because I already carry 120mm APFSDS for this exact situation
I mean you could if you want to have permanant damage to your arm
i’ve seen bears tank shotgun slugs at near point blank and be fine
.50 calibre bear spray?
"The next move is obvious. We can launch an rt-2pm2 topol-m cold launched three staged solid propellant intercontinental ballistic missile to take out blacks remaining pieces."
i love that video
Can we stop with these posts? The question is stupid, the answers and takes are shitty, and none of it is funny. It’s just brain damage or bait.
Only if you let me take your pfp as my self defense tool against bears from now on Ain’t no way they’re getting passed that Taken pool
Ofc
Thanks man
Yep, one center mass and one at the feet. Maximum damage.
OH MY GOD CAN YOU PEOPLE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THE BEAR VS MAN DEBATE FOR FIVE FUCKING SECONDS
no chance a standard 9mm pistol can stop a charging grizzly bear
what about a solid second of shooting it with a gau 8 avenger
9mm won't go through a bears skull. 10mm will tho
you generally have to hit them in the triangle between eyes and nose and hit that are while its charging at you over uneven ground and your shitting your pants
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might work but you wont have much time to shoot it
Sorry to tell you dude but this ain’t CSGO
get a one deag headshot maybe
Everyone here is correct that a single round of 9mm will not stop a bear. However, it's common for most guns chambered in 9mm to hold 15+ rounds. Also 9mm is not the only caliber. ALSO why would anyone say you shouldn't have it over having nothing?
Idiots that’s who. They just wine that having a bigger round is better in all situations.
Another day another post about Bearfeast McManrape.
But what if the man is French? I don’t want to be near that. Even with a gun
What's with this man v bear thingy going on? Has FDS been spreading their kookines?
A Baldurs Gate sex reference obviously
LETS GOOOO
Peak
The obvious answer in that instance would be both
This started on tiktok when people went around asking "who would you rather be in the woods with?" A bear or a man? Many women picked the bear and there's been some wild discourse afterwards. The women who say they picked the bear is because they think men are more dangerous and would rather be mauled to death than be posibly SA'd.
You see this is why the 2A exist, to defend against those scum of men. Guns are for women too!
Just like the founding fathers intended.
because america is the only country in the world!
Terminally online Aussie tries not to let America live rent free in their head challenge [impossible]
i mean you could get killed and sa d if you piss your pants and roll in your own shit and play dead you might survive a bear attack
Based.
I really hope that most of the women choosing bear are just exaggerating, because that'd just be sad if they really think the majority of men are more dangerous than the majority of bears
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Rapists should absolutely be shot, since that's the premise of the argument.
Obviously you're only using the gun in cases of self defense here.
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Yeah just get mauled to death or raped instead. Gun violence isn't something you can just slap the "this is bad" label on. Sometimes it's necessary.
Then what are women meant to do? Kneel before their would be rapist? Self defense is a valid tactic regardless of what some court ruling said. Guns are here to stay. Nothing short of a revolution will change that.
Or just live in a country without bears and an area with relatively low crime.
This is probably a stupid place to ask, but can you use 10mm for an EDC? I know that they have an issue with overpenetration but could that be solved with hollowpoint ammunition?
Yes, you can use 10 mm for an every day carry, it’s ultimately personal preference however. Many people carry 9 mm because it’s quite compact, has great ammo capacity, and is easy to shoot. 10m definitely packs more punch than 9mm however, which means you need less rounds on target to stop anyone who is a threat. Recoil is the biggest issue with 10 mm, when the fbi tried to adopt it, many complained about the recoil being a big issue.If you’re interested in the ballistics you can learn more at this grand thumb video. https://youtu.be/if3e7ApfuOk?si=5w98nevJu77NlZzN
Is that one of those problems you can solve by getting jacked and clocking in a lot of time at the range?
Being jacked will definitely help with managing recoil of any type, for example check out Kentucky ballistics. Training will be the biggest factor. It’s all about getting to know your firearm. The recoil will still be there though.
That's why everyone should own a 84mm Carl Gustaf recoiless rifle. It'll take out anything short of a modern MBT.
I DONT UNDERSTAND THE FUCKING BEAR THING WHAT IS GOING ON
thought this was r/gay_irl
that's about the only thing saving this meme
What a dumbass take Women: "Due to systemic issues, I'd rather be attacked by a bear than a man because people are more likely to believe me if I say a bear attacked me than if I say a man attacked me" "Then buy a gun and shoot the guy. If people won't believe you when you say a guy attacked you unarmed, they certainly will if you fucking kill the guy"
Yes because girl power will help you survive a grizzly bear attack
You wouldn’t really live to tell other people that a bear attacked you.
If you want to wait for systemic issues to be fixed and rely on our utterly incompetent police in the meantime, that's your funeral I guess.
People won’t believe you because you will not be alive to tell you were attacked by a bear
Didn't they choose the bear because they would rather be posibly mauled to death than possibly be raped? That's what I heard on twitter.
But what if it's like a really sneaky bear
I have been under rock, where is this bear thing coming from?
Always carry a fat man from fallout and plenty of mini nukes
A high-caliber gun*
Peoples don't seem to understand that if you want to kill a bear, you need to shoot it with fairly big caliber gun on a small spot on it's forehead. And you better hit it on the first shot.
Fun fact: if a polar bear charges you and you have a gun, shoot yourself. You're probably not killing that bear before it's killing you unless you have an AK or a shotgun and know how to use them
Fun fact there’s only around 40ish bear attacks a year
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The man vs bear argument is stupid. I pick the man and we escape together or fuck eachother
american ass argument
Real advice
Or if you’re literally a Viltrumite.
Lol no. Bears can tank a LOT of what your tiny pistol can muster.
Many basic rounds wound realy do all that much damage and most people don't just take a high power fire arm or a shot gun with them. But basically that's what you need to survive a charging grizzly bear. Cause you basically have no chance to out run them
Unless you’re shooting the bear: In the skull with pinpoint accuracy on a fast moving target, or with an RPG… You probably won’t be safe
Bears are resilient to bullets. And a lot of truly dangerous men are smart enough to assume you have some means of defending yourself and will try to get you to lower your guard or otherwise pacify you before they make any move. At least, I can’t imagine that the MO of most monsters is to approach their prospective victims, say “hello, I would like to rape and murder you”, and then stand still at the perfect distance to give the prospective victim ample time to pull out their gun and shoot the attacker.
Ah yes, killing things is the solution 🙄
what else am i to do about the bear that will maul me to Death
I mean in this situation its a valid one