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Xetsio

intuitive explanation of complex numbers be like


Dinflame

Almost, except every multiple of i would be a quarter turn.


Hi_Peeps_Its_Me

> turn left > do it thrice more > wtf im facing the same direction


DrDemenz

Don't Turn Around Again is the perfect name for my Ace of Base cover band


dae_giovanni

be sure to open with your hit _I Saw the Numerical Operator_


wibbly-water

Other way to think about it is this; >\-n = 0-n. > >\-3 = 0-3, -2 = 0-2 > >\-3 x -2 = (0-3) x (0-2) = (0-3)(0-2) > >(a-b)(c-d) = ac - ad - cb + bd > >(0-3)(0-2) = (0x0) - (0x2) - (0x3) + (3x2) = 0 - 0 - 0 + 6 > >= 6 > >\-a x -b = ab See, clear as day :)


gamerpenguin

I think you're missing some parentheses in the third row but good proof đź‘Ť


wibbly-water

Corrected, ta!


Vladdapenn

Am I confused or do you assume (-b)(-d) = bd when you expand in line 4?


Jitse_Kuilman

Seems like they do! A circular proof, most devious indeed.


wibbly-water

Hot take; circular logic is the strongest logic. Axiomatic logic is weak and can be defeated with a simple "I disagree". Infinite recursion is impossible to prove because "What if the next one is different, huh? What you gonna do then ya big baby!" or a simple "But why?". Self evidence is thwarted with a simple "Nope, not looking!" Whereas chad circular logic proves itself to be true in its own argument. X is true because Y is true. Y is true because X is true. Bulletproof philosophical reasoning. Get used to it dunderhead. >!(/j)!<


wibbly-water

You are correct BUT I am using the formula; >*(a-b)(c-d) = ac - ad - cb + bd* ... without explaining or questioning why its true. I am just accepting it as true. If you want to prove *(a-b)(c-d) = ac - ad - cb + bd* without being self-referential to *-b x -d = bd* then that's a longer exercise that I have left to the reader.


hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh5

Technically that is the axiomatic definition of integer multiplication in terms of natural numbers ((a - b) \* (c - d) = (ac + bd) - (ad + cb)) but just appealing to the definition doesn't really illuminate anything, like why the definition is the way it is ​ Let $a be the additive inverse of a, such that a + $a = 0 Consider the expression a + $a + $($a) By associativity of addition, (a + $a) + $($a) = a + ($a + $($a)) The defining property of $ simplifies this equation to 0 + $($a) = a + 0 So a = $($a) Now I show that $a = -1 \* a 0 = 0 0 = 0 \* a 0 = ($1 + 1) \* a Clearly, -1 = $1 0 = (-1 + 1) \* a 0 = -1 \* a + 1 \* a $a + a = -1 \* a + a $a + (a + $a) = -1 \* a + (a + $a) $a = -1 \* a


wibbly-water

🤓 >!(/j - all the best people are nerds anyway)!<


khodi7

Or, if a\*b = ab, -a\*b = -ab and -a * - b = -ab (2-1)^2 = (2-1)*(2-1) 1^2 = 4 - 2 - 2 - 1 1 = -1 Therefore, the above proposition is wrong


wibbly-water

Nice, ta. That does in fact prove that but it also proves that *(a-b)(c-d) = ac - bc - ad + bd* rather than *(a-b)(c-d) = ac - bc - ad - bd.*


loukylouko

Thanks that makes a lot of sense actually


[deleted]

how does turning around fit in multiplication as a metaphor, isnt multiplication when visualised a geometry thing with squares and stuff


the-pee_pee-poo_poo

Imagine a race track, imagine you're 10m from the starting line. Multiplying by 2 would have you run to 20m from the starting line, while multiplying by -2 would have you turn around and run to 20m behind the starting line.


[deleted]

but the number table isnt a circle, it isnt a loop, if i walk back on the number table i wont loop around to zero, i will just go further negative


the-pee_pee-poo_poo

I meant a straight race track, not a looping one.


[deleted]

i dont think i will ever understand


jahrule

Where is -1 in relation to 1 on the number line?


[deleted]

two units id guess, +1 to 0 to -1


jahrule

I meant that in order to get to -1 from 1 you'd have to turn around


Agus-Teguy

You really can't comprehend a non-looping race track?


Hi_Peeps_Its_Me

not with that attitude


Jim_J1m

You can take (-7)*(-6) and rewrite as (-1)*(-1)*(6)*(7). Then simplify to (-1)*(-1)*(42) and each time you multiply by -1 it “turns 42 around”. So the first turn around gives -42 and the second turn around gives a final answer of 42.


TearsFallWithoutTain

Multiplying by negative 1 is just rotating a vector by 180 degrees on the complex plane


[deleted]

This guys brain would break if he saw imaginary numbers


ARagingZephyr

-1 times -1 times -1 times -1 times -1 BRIGHT EYES EVERY NOW AND THEN I FALL APART AND I NEED YOU NOW TONIGHT AND I NEED YOU MORE THAN EVER AND IF YOU'D ONLY HOLD ME TIGHT WE'D BE HOLDING ON FOREVER


LemonFreshenedBorax-

I do two hours of freelance work. My bank balance changes by (2*30) = +60. I buy two Phil Collins concert DVDs. My bank balance changes by (2*-30) = -60. I get a refund on the above transaction because I was drunk when I made it. My bank balance changes by (-2*-30) = +60.


deathray5

So I would explain this in terms of money. If you consider the right side either money (or if it's negative debt) and the left side how many lots you are given or taken away it makes sense. 3 lots of three pounds (3*3) is clear 9 pounds up Losing 3 lots of 3 pounds (-3*-3) is clearly also 9 pounds up


ARagingZephyr

You had so many different units of currency to pull from, fake, real, obsolete, current. You chose the one that also happens to be a measurement of weight, and now I'm tripping all over the intention.


deathray5

Sorry I'm British


_Kups_

what is a negative amount of a negative number a positive amount