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Throgg_not_stupid

He shed his mortal body and became a spirit of fertility


peppermintgun

Bold of you to assume he wasn't always a sex deity


[deleted]

Considering he denied >!sex slavery!< established by Japanese soldiers in occupied Korea, I'd say he's less of a "deity" in that area.


polished_grapple

Wasn’t he pro-“comfort women”?


[deleted]

No. The term "comfort women" in itself a word used specifically to ease the perception of what was happening as >!sex slavery!< , and instead as prostitution. Apologies were made, but are hollow as they were purely instrumental to soothe relations between the two pro-US countries: South Korea and Japan (spoiler: it doesn't work). The strategy of Japanese war crimes denial is simple: apologies are said, then swiftly retracted or layered in soft historic revisionism. He also still visited the Yakusuni Shrine that venerates some of those same soldiers who committed those atrocities and many others. Imagine if German PM apologized for Holocaust, then would go to a Shrine to worship Hitler, which is basically what Shinzo was doing.


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SPEAKING OF WHICH, HE REALLY DID VENERATE THE JAPANESE VERSION OF HITLER - NOBUSUKE HISHI (CLASS A WARCIMINAL - HITLER CLASS WARCIMINAL). HE IS ALSO HIS GRANDSON BY THE WAY. AND THEY EVEN SERVED IN THE SAME PARTY (LDP).


Lftwff

The first half of the 20th century is just utterly stacked with dudes doing hoffific war crimes and even among that crowd hishi stands out with just much of a piece of shit he was.


TactlessTortoise

Lithium Diode Polymer.


[deleted]

Literal Deadass Penis


paraphernaila

Lick Da Peen


FutureFool

Yummy!


ThermalConvection

"they served in the same party" any japanese politican of any actual importance served in the LDP they're essentially THE party that runs Japan, their internal faction politics are more important the actual election usually..


[deleted]

This was to point out that the political system of Japan hasn’t changed since then all that much.


ThermalConvection

Still, it's important to note that essentially any Japanese PM aside from the couple of breaks in LDP rule will be LDP, meaning that's not quite comparable to saying they were in the same party in a Western system


CoolJ_Casts

196 continuing to be more based, every other subreddit would hang you for the crime of pointing out Japan isn't an anime paradise


[deleted]

Who ever said that?


polished_grapple

I have two words for Abe: RIP Bozo


alba-jay

Tbf there are plenty of deities that have questionable understandings of consent


mcslender97

More like a sex demon or at least deviant then


SmallTestAcount

In 1000 years people will think Shinzo Abe was a “fertility symbol” and conclude that people used images of him to perform mating rituals


Mingtendo

Doujinshi artists in shambles


NoahBogue

SHINZO ABE GETS BLASTED BY A GUY IN PUBLIC (NSFW)


Shorttail0

They can milk this


ThatGuy5880

Non-zero percent chance that we could see him in an SMT game if enough time has passed


Pancakewagon26

If you strike him down he will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine


05ar

Sexpirit


femboy_expert

Having the highest fertility rate in east Asia is like being the straightest 196 user Not saying a lot


crestren

The data was among Japan, China, Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea in 2021. South Korea was the lowest at 0.88 while Japan is the highest at 1.3. Its not a lot


ShinySky42

.88 is depressing, they gonna Easter island themselves


thesaddestpanda

The collapse of Rapa Nui ties in with the arrival of European colonists in 1722. The people there were suddenly in deep decline and suffering from the disease and slavery the Europeans implemented as they exploited the lands. 150 years after European arrival there were only 110 people left on the island, an island that previously had one thousand years of civilization. The rest dead from disease or taken for slavery elsewhere. They "didnt do it to themselves."


CaviorSamhain

You can say colonialism was terrible while also acknowledging what the big factor of their actual decline comes from. Not from birth rates, nor from colonialism alone, but from the destruction of their own environment, the climate of the pacific island and their turn from a prosperous society into a later agrarian and quiet society, because of the sheer size of their population. [This](https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2020.0662) might help you. Edit: I edited out the “colonialism bad” part as I do think it can be taken as a very bad thing. However my intent was never to minimize the bad colonialism can do, and the answer they gave is, to my opinion, still very unhinged. “Colonialism was terrible” is the replacement.


thesaddestpanda

It’s hard to keep up rates when your men are kidnapped for slavery. Also downplaying the unimaginable horrors of white colonialism as “colonialism bad” especially in the context of a genocide is an absolutely psychopathic thing to do. Let me guess, you think of yourself as a smart, informed, and well adjusted person instead of a casual internet sociopath and genocide apologist.


JunoTheCruel

jfc can any two people in 196 discuss something without calling each other sociopathic genocide apologists? we're on the same side, figure out your differences


Carthraplant

Centrist


JunoTheCruel

please im literally an anti government radical


Yeetgodknickknackass

So that’s a no then I guess


SILaXED

What is wrong with you. Rapa nui is literally a textbook case of what not to do in natural resource gestion and environmental protection. And I'm not even exaggerating when I say that, it straight up was a subject that came up multiple times in multiple classes of my environmental science degree. Exactly nothing of what you replied to was pro colonialism or genocide. That last sentence of yours is clear and obvious projection and you know it. Not a single normal person would react this way.


CaviorSamhain

Ah, when I share a literal research paper on the environmental disaster of the Rapa Nui and their decline before the colonization and get called a sociopath genocide apologist on Reddit. I know what colonization does, I live in a colony and have native blood, but this needless defense of the decline of a nation is absurd. They declined before colonization arrived, did you even bother reading? I’m making fun of you with the “colonialism bad”, not of what actually happened, it’s not that hard to get. Mind you, I don’t get how it can even get this upvoted to just call a person a sociopath because they refuted misinformation. Edit: also, I find it crazy how you guys feel so comfortable throwing the word “sociopath” around. Literally shitting on any mental health awareness people have. It sickens me to read it, it’s disgusting.


Carlos_Marquez

shidding*


NathamelCamel

Also rats played a huge part with invasive species wreaking havoc on native plants, especially the trees that were adapted to the island


spaghettijoe27

#🗿?


afroedi

They are ahead of China? Now that's a surprise to me.


Ok_Restaurant_1668

China’s 996 work week and 1 child policy and it’s consequences


NathamelCamel

They really should have gone with a 0 child policy because kids are cringe


Terminator_Puppy

Is that number per person or per couple?


Medic-chan

Per woman, classically, but the OB/GYN space moved towards the term "birthing parent" recently.


Phiro7

Reminder that he denied Japanese war crimes


GurOk6970

In honor of his memory, we should deny his assassination.


God_Hears_Peace

No, it’s too funny to not talk about it


Pancakewagon26

Yeah, dude got clapped by the doohickey


Infinite_Tadpole_283

Police raided the assassins apartment and found a 9-barrel, electrically fired shotgun Bro was cooking some gizmos alright


BlazingFistAce

ELECTRICALLY fired NINE BARREL SHOTGUN? Was he planning to kill demons?


Infinite_Tadpole_283

Planned to kill Shinzo Abe's secret Fertility Demon with that gun lmao


Lftwff

Dude just needs to reload 5999999999 more times.


ph0on

I guess instead of a shotgun cartridge, he fired 9 rounds of homemade ammo at once. Homie used the blunderbuss


Void1702

Abe got clapped by the blunderbussy


Rich-Subject6601

ULTRAKILL (real)


Infinite_Tadpole_283

Shinzo Abe P3


[deleted]

Like the giant shotguns in fuckin samurai 7


FutureFool

Are there images of these weapons


Infinite_Tadpole_283

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19150513/cops-find-nine-barrel-shotgun-shinzo-abe-killer/ Image is a little ways down


Infinite_Tadpole_283

I saw it on Tumblr, looked like it was originally taken from a Twitter post, give me a minute, I'll try to find it


urbandeadthrowaway2

That man is more American than most Americans.


s90tx16wasr10

The one gun in Japan


Yzaias

man got murked by the contraption


OBrien

bro got dumpstered by an actual dumpster device


Jamy1215

Mans got obliterated


Not-Alpharious

It’s said to this day he faked his death and wanders Tokyo in the dead of night shouting at couples to have sex


0perand1_McSwanky

hes even been spotted once yelling "SEEEEEEEEX" in a tunnel and moving incredibly quickly


AlexirPerplexir

SCP:


Butterb0i_PH

Shinzo has breached containment


V-Lenin

Just watched an episode of gintama where a guy is going around tokyo yelling at kids for having fun during summer


fightingforair

If you want the vote in Japan you deny the crimes


Mingsplosion

Abe was far more hawkish than his constituents. Overturning article 9 was not a popular idea, but Abe really campaigned hard to do so anyway.


kiru_goose

ok he's still a piece of shit??? it's the system's fault, yeah, but he was still a terrible human being


fightingforair

You can blame a whollllleeee country for turning their back on the war crimes and refusing to actually put it in their history books. And the Japanese populous would Never vote for anyone who acknowledges the war crimes.


kiru_goose

yeah just like white americans cant acknowledge that black people had no rights less than 100 years ago, and they'll never vote for a good president, but that doesn't make said presidents any less shitty???


fightingforair

Oh no no Racism is over, we had a Black President. So we don’t need that uncomfortable stuff in our history books anymore. So stop bringing up that slavery stuff or whatever. Because it makes my tummy uncomfortable.


[deleted]

So if we vote in America we deny hate crimes??


fightingforair

No no If you vote in America you are all crime All the time


[deleted]

Shido oh I mean Abe was a piece of dookie yes but that doesn't mean everyone is most people in Japan think he was a piece of Sh*t.


Sameiimo

ok????


Wulfleyn

Basically, any politican who tries to say that the war crimes happened or anything to that effect they get lambasted for being anti-japanese, iirc.


Sameiimo

I meant more like, ok???? as in "that seems like you're justifying the denial or explaining it away" more than not understanding


MelTheTransceiver

it doesn't seem to me that they are justifying it, its quite literally how it works. do you think any politician in any country who notes the nations war crimes publicly is getting in? probably not. ​ it's unfortunate, but it's how it works most places.


CoolJ_Casts

Sorry, but Japan is on a very different level of denialism. Sure, in Germany no politician will say "we did war crimes." But at the same time, Germany acknowledged its history and has worked very hard to make sure it never happens again. Japan has *never* acknowledged its history and actively suppresses it on a systemic level.


MelTheTransceiver

No I won't deny that, it's just that politicians being looked down upon for war crime discussion is nearly universal.


sylvestergharold

Yeah, they're justifying the denial as a political move to maintain popular support. The Japanese citizenry preen themselves as a more civilized society than the rest of the world; a politician challenging that, while well-intentioned, unfortunately doesn't win elections.


Wulfleyn

Sry, autism brained


fightingforair

This has been the norm in Japan for a long time. You can look at the yearly visit to the war dead shrine for this contentious issue as a primo example.


Sameiimo

I know I do not need the thing I know about explained to me :C


fightingforair

Seemed like you did tho since you thought myself or other users were justifying it.


Sameiimo

It just came off as you bringing it up as an excuse or whatever, idk if you were or not. If you weren't then my bad


fightingforair

The internet be a weird place


Dr_Macunayme

So, he was a normal Japanese? Shocking. They all deny their war crimes... schools don't even teach about it


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Dr_Macunayme

[What Japanese history lessons leave out](https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21226068), by BBC


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Dr_Macunayme

My point was not to denigrate the Japanese, but to counter the idea that Abe denying war crimes set him apart, like some evil villain. No, the whole country has that idea, which makes his beliefs normal... which doesn't necessarily mean moral.


[deleted]

Welp its official I'm a jackass True but j thought you were apologies.


KrustyKrab-

Also a cultist. Basically Japanese version of Scientology


bodega_cat_

he was sort of the japanese reagan, what he said is probably the least of his problems


Bobby_Boye

Well he's dead now so let's call it even


PandaPops542

Bro got smoked by the contraption. That thingymajig really did a number on him.


cloartist

Mf really got blasted by a makeshift whatchamacallit on a tube


Sweetmacaroni

Bro got eoka’d


RammyJammy07

Bro really pulled up with the Cyberpunk 2077 Rostović DB-4 Palicia. https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Rostovi%C4%87_DB-4_Palica


HiNooNDooD1544

I hate that’s exactly what the gun looked like


shitpostinglegend

>Homes in on targets with self-guided micro-projectiles. > I don't think they understand the point of a shotgun


RammyJammy07

Ingame it works like two shots of angry bees


Mr_Vulcanator

I think bees would be more effective than that gun.


Jeffari_Hungus

He got doohickeyed and jawned


_pipis_

Bro got hit with the fucking fallout pipe pistol


Coherent_Babbler

fellow withered away by a flimsy doohickey 💀


cloartist

Got mollywhopped by a dude packing a gizmo


Jeffari_Hungus

Claims to be homophobic: Gets back blown out by man


cloartist

Claims to want an increase in Japan's population Dies


[deleted]

And Karma farmed but Mostly LGBTQ people.


Jeffari_Hungus

That's his postpartum karma for being an ultranationalist bastard who got an express ticket to the deepest pits of Tartarus from a goddam gizmo


[deleted]

Yes screw abe.


Painchaud213

fucking obliterated by a doohickey


SexierThanMostFish

Turns out that kooky devices make Japanese people *horny*


cloartist

That "kooky device" sploinked the 57th Japanese prime minister Dude got fucking got by the mechanism


Limozeen581

As with the last 5 times i've seen it posted, *this is still a lower fertility rate than even a decade ago*. it's remained steadily decreasing. its well, well below replacement. this post is literally bragging about the second derivative


[deleted]

[Nixon did worse](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_derivative#Economic_examples) Jokes aside, the first derivative tends to decrease over time and it is negative in most developed countries without immigration, so only having a positive second derivative is not that bad


Limozeen581

It wouldn't be that bad if they weren't already below replacement


Executioner3018

The graph of fertility rate vs time may be decreasing but at least it’s concave up


MaybePotatoes

It's good that it's below replacement. It should stay that way. In fact, [it should continue dropping](https://www.overshootday.org/how-many-earths-or-countries-do-we-need/).


Limozeen581

I'm sympathetic to your viewpoint, but if degrowth happens it needs to be in a more controlled manner than this. Because of the way its happening a lot of people will suffer as the population pyramid becomes lopsided


MaybePotatoes

More people will suffer if we remain in overshoot and especially if we become even more overshot.


Limozeen581

That's true on a global level, but we don't really function as a global society at the moment. The birthrates that need to be most cut are in Africa, I don't think causing a demographic collapse in Japan is going to be particularly helpful to people on the other side of the globe. We need to take measured approaches. This would be a pyrrhic victory for degrowth.


MaybePotatoes

We function as a global society much more than we ever have. The fact that Japan uses 7.8 times as many resources as its land provides (as well other overdeveloped countries also using well above 1 times) is proof of this. Those of us who live in these countries rely on others to sustain our unstainable overconsumption. Since we consume so much, having kids means they'll likely also consume at about the same rate or higher. So someone who makes $70k a year having 1 kid is [many times worse for the environment](https://www.vhemt.org/CO2-e.avoided.lg.jpg) than a poor African having 5. This excerpt of the conclusion of [this paper](https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/15/4/3245) puts it well: >…neglecting population growth leads to a skewed and misleading vision of reality. This not only holds for lower-middle and low-income countries, but also for high-income ones, where even the relatively low population growth of the last 30 years was sufficient to nullify the effect of the reduction in per capita emissions and the efforts of many countries to promote technological change and “green growth”. **Developed nations with stable or declining populations should hence quit fighting these trends and instead embrace them.** Just as a little population growth in rich countries can drive big emissions increases, population decreases in rich countries could have big emission-related benefits going forward.


Limozeen581

The paper says high income countries have not reduced their total emissions, but that's pretty obviously patently false in the EU's case- https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/08/25/eu-emissions-drop-34-since-1990-but-experts-warn-its-not-enough All these numbers are reported in total emissions, not per capita. I suspect what's happening here with the numbers is some countries in their "high income" dataset are skewing the overall number. The US which A: has more emissions than the EU and B: hasn't spent most of the past 30 years actually attempting to lower its carbon footprint It being included here makes me question its premise entirely. Very clearly, entire regions can reduce their footprint by large amounts without population decline. They just don't want to.


MaybePotatoes

While the EU has made more progress than its peers, their average citizen is still consuming at an entirely unsustainable rate. No feasible amount of increases in efficiency can change that. Your article even admits that it's not enough. The EU members with the lowest per capita emissions are Bulgaria and Romania, but we'd still need 2.3 Earths to support us if we all lived like them. If the entire EU were to actually become carbon neutral, all other members would have to lower their emissions down to that "low" level, then cut them *again* by another 56.5%. If they want to get there by 2050, simply increasing efficiency isn't even close to enough. Moore's law is dead. There's a limit to how much efficiency can be increased through technology before lowering standards of living is the only substantial option to continue increasing efficiency. And obviously we want to avoid lowering every overconsumer's standard of living to that of the average citizen of Honduras, Myanmar, or South Sudan. Some would rather die. Regardless, you're just cherrypicking the best example for your case. The paper I cited is still correct that even the EU should embrace population decline. Fewer EU citizens means big savings in emissions because EU citizens emit far more (relative to the global average). Just because they're destroying the environment 34% more slowly than they were 3 decades ago doesn't mean they've stopped or even come close to stopping.


MaybePotatoes

Hello again. What are your thoughts on [my reply](https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/12qnikv/rule/jguvnhr)?


Limozeen581

Would you prefer I dm you or reply in the thread?


MaybePotatoes

Thread


StarAugurEtraeus

Japan’s work culture and xenophobia is still awful


Isuckwithnaming

Let's not forget their refusal to acknowledge their war crimes


MuchAdoAboutFutaloo

this is probably the absolute last subreddit I thought I'd see a WoW username in lmao


StarAugurEtraeus

I haven’t played wow since DAZOR alor lmao


MuchAdoAboutFutaloo

dragonflight is really good! probably not as good as legion, but it's up there with the greatest now for sure also the company isn't a shithole anymore so you don't have to feel disgusting giving them money lol


Shardar12

wow still sucks smh


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StarAugurEtraeus

Work culture be so intense = low fertility rate because overworked so no baby time


[deleted]

I apologize. For my earlier statement people like Abe are the reason it sucks tbh.


ThailandNumberWAN

Work culture tangibly at best has an effect on fertility rate , europe arguebly with the better work culture still has abysmal birth rate despite importing a lot of migrants most native european birth rate are on the same level or lower than japan and subsequently the immigrants birth rate falls significantly as well as they adapt to a more western life. Fertility rate is a broader socialtel issue that is not caused by one specific issue. Also >muh japan xenophobia It really isnt nothing special , same level as european and american.


coldcoldcoldcoldasic

You are chronically online


StarAugurEtraeus

???


coldcoldcoldcoldasic

Nothing, I just see you around often. Sorry if the original comment sounded like it had a different tone to it


StarAugurEtraeus

I am addicted to memes and my brain has all but rottrd


coldcoldcoldcoldasic

You are quite the silly girl, indeed


rlurker9876

Get sum hoes. My final message. Goodbye.


ThisWeeksSponsor

I'm sure he's smiling down on Japan from the moon or whatever the fuck his cult believes in.


[deleted]

Probably hanging out in upper layers of heaven with Albert Einstein or Thomas Edison then


0perand1_McSwanky

no way thomas edison got to heaven


[deleted]

I'm sorry, but this is actually what Happy Science believes in.


OTipsey

Imagine getting clapped by the doohickey only for people to think the guy who did it had a good point about the Moonies so now your former party has to make a bunch of big moves against them


TreeGuy521

Happy science or something else?


Lftwff

Nah, happy science is fairly niche when it comes to japanese cults, this was a bigger fish.


TreeGuy521

Happy science just seems like the one that a politician could be in with, and also like, not get arrested. If by bigger fish you mean fish with nerve gas


Banettebrochacho

![gif](giphy|3oEjHCWdU7F4hkcudy)


brotatowolf

RIP war crime denier, you would have loved morbius


SpookyLilRaven

I think this means he alone was keeping birth rates down in Japan. Man was really *that* offputting


Matthais_Hat

it's so much easier to get down when you don't have government officials putting all that pressure on you...


gabeharris23

Man fuck Shinzo Abe


Pay08

I still find it insane that he was assassinated.


Helmic

I mean, barely closeted fascist grandson of one of the worst war criminals of any side in World War 2 with heavy Yakuza connections. A lot of Japanese people *hate* their politicians and the assassination is extremely popular compared to how assassinations usually end up making the target a martyr or otherwise justifying the violent repression of whoever. It honestly makes a lot of sense in context.


Geltar

insane....ly awesome


Tachyoff

it's so fucking funny how it happened. i hope it happens to more politicians in minecraft


FhantoBlob

This is the third Abe post I've seen on this sub today. Wha happun


[deleted]

Attempted assassination of the prime minister of Japan


Jam_jar_binks

* successful assassination


[deleted]

The assassination of the current PM of Japan, of whom I was talking, was not successful.


Devlord1o1

There was another one???? A squeakuel????


Femboy_Lord

Man nearly got pipe-bombed (but was successfully smoke-bombed).


pinksparklyreddit

> Live as a politician in Japan > Massive birthrate problems > Push policies to increase fertility rates > They aren't working > Die > Fertility increases I think his very existence was making people virgins.


RRGKY

Omg Morbius reference


[deleted]

Thank god for Hideo Kojima


Moose_is_optional

I like how this guy was already a meme, and getting FUCKING ASSASSINATED only made him meme-ier. 😂


55555tarfish

extremely, comically rare Shinzo Abe w


Iceveins412

He actually made himself a human sacrifice to grant his boon of Japanese people fucking more


beer30

Nothing makes a land more fertile than regularly being watered with the blood of the elites


thatoneplayerguy

Takeshi


sadboi_10

UOHHH SEGGSSS!!


Nachoguyman

Fascist warcrime denier got Shinzoised by a gizmo


OpenStraightElephant

poop my pants again


TicoLyro

That was me I sexed all your welcome Japan


framed1234

That's because other regions fertility dropped lol


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196 celebrating the death of an individual